PC is becoming tablet? - Windows 8 General

PC is becoming tablet? - Windows 8 General

Anyone here is watching CES 2012 on facebook?
Right now that lady is demo-ing the Windows 8 Tablet, i like the original idea about Windows 8 is bringing Metro UI to Desktop, but i think the marketplace / apps for Desktop is something stupid to me.
I think Microsoft has gone too far and almost completely forgotten about PC hardcore User. Ebay apps when we have IE/Firefox/Chrome for Ebay.com?
Maybe i am wrong over here, because until now i have no clue about the idea behind Marketplace for PC.
What do you guys think?

i think such idea of app market on the W8 is for the tablet, that is ok though, as long as they figure out away to port win32 software to run on apps, i would be the first one to get in line to get the tablet, other than that, i am good with my asus transformer

Strike_Eagle said:
Anyone here is watching CES 2012 on facebook?
Right now that lady is demo-ing the Windows 8 Tablet, i like the original idea about Windows 8 is bringing Metro UI to Desktop, but i think the marketplace / apps for Desktop is something stupid to me.
I think Microsoft has gone too far and almost completely forgotten about PC hardcore User. Ebay apps when we have IE/Firefox/Chrome for Ebay.com?
Maybe i am wrong over here, because until now i have no clue about the idea behind Marketplace for PC.
What do you guys think?
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For tablets, maybe netbooks with a little screen, its a good OS. But... on a 24 inch Monitor? Serious, I tested the preview and in Metro the handling with mouse and keyboards sucks! It even interrups the productivity flow in the "desktop app". If I am on the classic desktop and want to open a programm from the start menu: Why do I have to go back to the start screen and type.
This is so unintuitive and doesn't suit to the desktop design at all...

the thing is, Microsoft has focus more on the Tablet than our - PC user.
You can see almost everything on the Keynote of Steve on CES 2012 (which has just ended ) is focus on the mobility of the technology nowday.
Tablet with ARM/ x64 / x86 , nVIDIA Tegra are all cool. But hand down, they didn't notice anything about the original idea of PC , yes, when i mean the mouse and the keyboard.
The idea behind Marketplace for Windows 8 PC is something still new. And i hope, the marketplace is like a place where we can search all kind of applications for PC around the web without having google/bing it around.
Don't get me wrong , i am a Microsoft fan and i own a Windows Phone.

Strike_Eagle said:
The idea behind Marketplace for Windows 8 PC is something still new. And i hope, the marketplace is like a place where we can search all kind of applications for PC around the web without having google/bing it around.
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Thats the point! The marketplace is just for Metro apps and I don't understand why I should use an app if I have a internetbrowser (ebay, etc). The apps are optimized for small screens so it's just annoying to swipe with your mouse or use some strange shortcuts to show up the menu bar if you have enough space to display everything you need.

The link for whoever missed the keynote:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/events/ces/liveevent.aspx
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Yes. The thing is, there is no point from moving to use an app to control the web-based service like Ebay or Amazon. I mean, if you have a touch screen, you would love to do that because i know that typing on the touch screen is such pain in the ass.
But with PC is different, a mouse and keyboard are far more advanced than a touch screen. We have been using our browser to do most stuffs, we don't need an app to do that. For example, i can have IE9 , and i can do most stuffs from betting on Ebay to buying stuffs on Amazon without having anything extra installed except for some flash plug-ins. So why choosing install many different apps and make your PC slower while you can get everything just by a click of a mouse on the icon of the browser?
Many people would say to me that if i don't like it then don't use it, but that isn't a point. It is fine that Microsoft try to make a buck over tablets , but they seem to be forgetting about PC user like us, i hear nothing about the original PC in the keynote except some new Laptops and Intel's new path for the future. That's why i am little bit disappointed.

CES is all about what is cool and hip today. Right now that is mobile devices so MS's CES pitch focuses on Windows 8. MS is leaving CES after this year so they can focus on getting the message they want out without having to follow the hot theme and control better the presentation of their message. You can expect that message to be heavily based around HTML 5 and web based apps to the detriment of those that develop windows apps.

I'm new to Windows 8 in general so be gentle...
(These are meant as general comments, not picking on you Strike_Eagle, you were just the last post I read.)
Strike_Eagle said:
The link for whoever missed the keynote:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/events/ces/liveevent.aspx
(need silverlight)
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Thanks for that, watching now!
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Strike_Eagle said:
Yes. The thing is, there is no point from moving to use an app to control the web-based service like Ebay or Amazon.
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Agree completely here. I don't even use those types of apps on my Xoom, if its a browser based service or app, I just use the Xooms browser. It's a real browser, no need for an app.
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But with PC is different, a mouse and keyboard are far more advanced than a touch screen.
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I disagree a bit here, the way a touch screen is used is different than that of a mouse, it shouldn't be seen as a replacement for a mouse. Multi touch functions and gestures are what touch screen input excels at. However, emulating simple mouse input, navigating the screen or cursor, etc.. eh, not so much. I added a BT mouse to my Xoom and many things are MUCH faster using it rather than touching the screen, but some things are easier and faster using the touch screen.
Strike_Eagle said:
It is fine that Microsoft try to make a buck over tablets , but they seem to be forgetting about PC user like us <snip>.
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I see this as much more than MS looking to make a buck on tablets. As power of mobile devices increases, as "cloud" (I hate that term) storage becomes more prevalent, its going to be very important to have a seamless experience across devices. For example, I use Google Music and Chrome. No matter what device I'm on, Xoom, desktop, laptop, all of my playlists and bookmarks are the same. This is where I think MS is going with Windows 8, they're looking to have their OS be everywhere and work the same (or similar) no matter what device you're on. Or at least be flexible enough to do that.

FuturePrimitive said:
I disagree a bit here, the way a touch screen is used is different than that of a mouse, it shouldn't be seen as a replacement for a mouse. Multi touch functions and gestures are what touch screen input excels at. However, emulating simple mouse input, navigating the screen or cursor, etc.. eh, not so much. I added a BT mouse to my Xoom and many things are MUCH faster using it rather than touching the screen, but some things are easier and faster using the touch screen.
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lol no.
With multitouch you can zoom, rotate, roll and that's it, with a precision that is useless for most task but browser internet and catalog some photos.
For example, let's say that we have a picture of 2000x1500 and we want to select a square of 256x256... with multitouch you can't do that.
In fact, clicking a single link can become a tedious work of zoom then click.

FuturePrimitive said:
(These are meant as general comments, not picking on you Strike_Eagle, you were just the last post I read.).
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Oh, don't need to worry about it, it is cool. Forum is a place for discussion, right?
FuturePrimitive said:
I disagree a bit here, the way a touch screen is used is different than that of a mouse, it shouldn't be seen as a replacement for a mouse. Multi touch functions and gestures are what touch screen input excels at. However, emulating simple mouse input, navigating the screen or cursor, etc.. eh, not so much. I added a BT mouse to my Xoom and many things are MUCH faster using it rather than touching the screen, but some things are easier and faster using the touch screen.
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Yea, i got your point man. Everything has its own advantage. Something which is so great to use the multi-touch. I never say that the multitouch would be a replacement for the mouse anytime soon. But my point, was like, Something which is designed for Multi-Touch might not be a great deal for mouse and keyboard.
the word "advanced" here , i mean , you can do more stuffs with a keyboard than a touch-screen, or the keyboard and mouse give you more advantages than the touch-screen give you. Don't get me wrong man, if you do photoshop , you would know that you can do stuffs with the picture by mouse and press the short cut on the keyboard for special effect at the sametime, which is can't be done by multi-touch, Because Multi-Touch is like a combination of mouse and keyboard , for the benifit of portable device.
But with Multi-Touch , you can also do stuffs that you would not ever archieve with a mouse. Well, you know what i mean, like drawing. But the limitation of technology nowday can't take that advantage *yet*. the screen is not that sensitive enough to make a perfect drawing like with Pencil and paper.
This agrument seem to be valid, keep it up man. , i don't hate multi-touch device, because i have myself a HTC Titan and probably a Windows 8 Tablet soon.

ok, you are a hardcore user, then just keep using the desktop. why are you mad that other people will get to use metro.
Tablets and apps are popular nowadays,so you cant ignore it. That is why windows 8 integrated metro. If you dont like it,you dont have to use it. Windows 8 desktop is bringing a bunch of new features as well. The OS is leaner and faster,and more secure.

Now i realized that we forgot about Kinect for PC... Are they trying to have us buy the kinect to use it for the metro UI on PC?

Strike_Eagle said:
Anyone here is watching CES 2012 on facebook?
Right now that lady is demo-ing the Windows 8 Tablet, i like the original idea about Windows 8 is bringing Metro UI to Desktop, but i think the marketplace / apps for Desktop is something stupid to me.
I think Microsoft has gone too far and almost completely forgotten about PC hardcore User. Ebay apps when we have IE/Firefox/Chrome for Ebay.com?
Maybe i am wrong over here, because until now i have no clue about the idea behind Marketplace for PC.
What do you guys think?
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I FULLY AGREE WITH YOU!
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Isn't the idea of Marketplace that it will have all types of Apps and full applications like Photoshop, office etc? Similar to the Mac App Store?

Hopefully this doesn't have much effect on the gaming industry, mainly shooters. First, they were dumb'd down for consoles, now they could be severely dumb'd down for Tablets. I shudder at the thought.

There will probably be plenty of crossovers from other touch platforms (iOS, Android), but it shouldn't affect the *real* games.

Blacklac said:
Hopefully this doesn't have much effect on the gaming industry, mainly shooters. First, they were dumb'd down for consoles, now they could be severely dumb'd down for Tablets. I shudder at the thought.
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Microsoft has something called " Windows PC Game Marketplace" *if i am not wrong* already.
I have heard about it, i have seen it (Operation Flashpoint : Red River) but i never used it. Valve's Steam is the solution most people looking for. Even Origin can't compare to Steam.

Strike_Eagle said:
Microsoft has something called " Windows PC Game Marketplace" *if i am not wrong* already.
I have heard about it, i have seen it (Operation Flashpoint : Red River) but i never used it. Valve's Steam is the solution most people looking for. Even Origin can't compare to Steam.
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"Games for Windows Live" I think is what you're referring to.

x ZackehSoul x said:
"Games for Windows Live" I think is what you're referring to.
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Yes, thanks for pointing that out.

I wonder if XNA games will play a large role in the Windows App store?

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Windows on Advent Vega

Hello im new to android i have a advent vega but will love it to have some sort of windows on it if anyone has any ideas or if this is possible please post thanks

Apparently the next version of Windows will be able to run on ARM processors such as the Tegra 2 in the Vega. I doubt it'll end up on the Vega, though someone might port it over.
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If we do get windows on vega, would be able to install windows software such as skype,msn etc i probaly guess so but please correct if im wrong

I would be very surprised if windows will ever come to our vegas. Memory i would say is the main issue, xp would be the only one able to run with 512mb of ram, and that has poor touch screen support. I am running windows 7 with 1gb of ram (min system req) on my laptop, and it runs very slow. As far as i am aware even the netbook version needs 1gb. Be happy with android.

I wasn't really talking about windows 7 (although i would like that) but windows CE or windows mobile.
PS . As I said I only want it for the software.

yioti said:
I wasn't really talking about windows 7 (although i would like that) but windows CE or windows mobile.
PS . As I said I only want it for the software.
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Won't ever happen, windosws mobile is all closed source. Android is much better anyway, just get used to it

Agreed, winmob on the vega prob wont occour.
I too, miss some great apps and games which doubtfully will ever appear on andriod. The android gaming community, seems a little shallower than the wince lot.
I stll keep my htc touch and diamnd 2 specifically because of this.
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i think if we can get android 3.0 (or whatever the numbers will be) on our vega's, its more then enough to have enough fun with it, an operating system that does not thing its a smartphone and optimized for tablets. i used many android smartphones before, but using even 2.2 on vega is more fun then any smartphone i think, at least you can read web sites and not harm your eyes
PS : i have a joojoo tablet too, which runs win7 and i think android is better and faster on a tablet like vega ( tegra2 tabets).

Some of the cheap import tablets like the Zenithink ZT-180 have roms for WinCE - but from what I have read nobody really uses them since even WinCE is pretty poor as a tablet OS (well, that and the ZT-180 is pretty rubbish!).

as a student you can get the windows embedded 7 development kit for free, that should be able to run on the advent vega but my knowledge isnt yet sufficient to build and deploy a rom in order t test it

I honestly don't understand this kind of question:
You have Windows a system built for PCs and to be operated specific using keyboard and mouse.
And then you have Android a system built for mobile devices to be operated specific with a touch screen.
I guess the question is not IF it's possible, but WHY in a hell would anyone even bother porting it?
Do you miss msn and skype? I got news for you, just download Skype and eBuddy from the market. Solved!

Budius said:
I honestly don't understand this kind of question:
You have Windows a system built for PCs and to be operated specific using keyboard and mouse.
And then you have Android a system built for mobile devices to be operated specific with a touch screen.
I guess the question is not IF it's possible, but WHY in a hell would anyone even bother porting it?
Do you miss msn and skype? I got news for you, just download Skype and eBuddy from the market. Solved!
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What about office tools? i have yet to find a decent word processor that retains all (or most) of word's features.
sadly, while gdocs looks lovely, writing documents is still a pain..

Although I also wish that I could do some serious work on my tablet / smartphone, you simply can not do it (too small screen => primarily wasn't meant for this kind of job, but it's great in mobility and therefore "valuable information on the go").
Tablets & smartphones are used to consume / present information and PCs / workstations are used to generate that information.
I have also tried all kind of Office software (QuickOffice HD, Polaris Office, Docs To Go, GDocs,...), but reality is that generating information on Android is 30-50% slower than on a 20" monitor with keyboard & mouse hooked on a PC.
Yes, you could make a new office software on Android that would need a keyboard, mouse & external monitor, but that would defeat the purpose of mobility.
And sadly there is no such good software on Android with so many funtionalities that are found in Microsoft Office.
IMHO you can do up to 30 minutes of work without problems, for anything above that, please do yourself a favor and use a PC.

This something that may interest you. Only on ipad as of now, but I am sure will be on android soon.
Stokesy
Edit OK can't post a link... search windows thin client via on live.

Yes, I already heard of that tech.
It's something like remote desktop (but a bit better).
http://desktop.onlive.com/overview
Will see how this performs in real life when it's released for Android.

stokesyblack said:
This something that may interest you. Only on ipad as of now, but I am sure will be on android soon.
Stokesy
Edit OK can't post a link... search windows thin client via on live.
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And that time is NOW!
OnLive Desktop is now available on Android:
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.onlive.desktop
For free registration and more info, check my above post!
I would like to hear your thoughts on this software!
EDIT: It appears the download is US only.
Here is a link to APK file.

Hmmmm interesting I am downloading now
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Yani, its a good app, have you tried? I will use this all the time when I use my Vega during work. I find the windows apps quite poor on Android (I uses docs to go). This is great for reading and creating basic files. There are a few problems I have found so far.
1. The UI is not really designed for touch screen, I used with my docking station, keyboard and mouse but still was hard to click on the right part due to the alignment being off slightly on the mouse pointer.
2. Docs saved to the virtual desktop can be downloaded from a site called files.onlive.com. However when you try to access this site it says 'only available in USA'. So might be a nightmare to get off what you have created.
What do you think?
Stokesy
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stokesyblack said:
Yani, its a good app, have you tried? I will use this all the time when I use my Vega during work. I find the windows apps quite poor on Android (I uses docs to go). This is great for reading and creating basic files. There are a few problems I have found so far.
1. The UI is not really designed for touch screen, I used with my docking station, keyboard and mouse but still was hard to click on the right part due to the alignment being off slightly on the mouse pointer.
2. Docs saved to the virtual desktop can be downloaded from a site called files.onlive.com. However when you try to access this site it says 'only available in USA'. So might be a nightmare to get off what you have created.
What do you think?
Stokesy
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Sorry, but I haven't used this myself.
If you read my signature, I'm still on stock Froyo and this app needs at least Gingerbread.
I've read only good things about this.
I use QuickOffice for documents, but I only view documents, and these android office apps aren't even good at that!
But I've tried OnLive (for gaming) on SGS and it's amazing!!!!111one
Now to get some answers for your questions:
1. I think you need to restart your OnLive desktop in order to fully accept your mouse&keyboard input.
2. I went to https://desktop.onlive.com/account/myfiles and uploaded a doc file and then redownloaded it without a problem. I'm from Slovenia - EU and I've used Firefox on a PC with Ubuntu/Linux OS.

hi lats how to install im write my email address and nothing why sombody help mi?thanks

Windows 8 sucks for desktops....

lets be honest here.... the metro UI looks nice and all, but without a touch screen its completely out of place.. Keyboard and mouse interfaces have traditionally been vertical, you move through web pages vertically, you scroll through lists vertically, but metro UI is horizontal, scrolling down to turn right isn't quite intuitive....
and yea Ive done the "hack" to bring back the old start menu, but if you do that the metro UI kinda trips out plus thats the whole point of using windows 8 versus windows 7...
... worst thing was I deleted my Ubuntu partition to use it, but in a couple of days I think I'm gonna get the Ubuntu 11.10 beta 2 and delete windows 8

I totally agree..because what we expect from a PC is ease of access not the other way around...especially from keyboard and mouse they want us to use tiles
feels kinda stupid..the wrost case is search if I want to access a program is that really necessary for me to know which category it will falls in...its easy sometimes but not in the case of normal users....if MS really doesn't want to face the vista situation...they need to really think about the PC version of Win8....one more thing I want yo point out is that OS is really good for touchscreen capable devices but not for analog device operation....this is my opinion for the current developer built and not for win8 as a whole...

dats true tablet layout on PC is weird.
But win 8's performance is awesome.

maybe i'm just weird like that, but i kinda like the metro ui on my laptop/desktop setup. even though i don't have a touch-enabled screen, it didn't take me long to get used to using metro and make it work the way i like.

The live tiles and simplicity of it all are very nice, and dual booting Kubuntu was simple, I'm quite sure triple booting (Win7) would be a piece of cake as well. The desk top with the split screen is awesome! And a desktop is a desk top I don 't see the big deal here... Oh, this is a pre beta, I almost forgot. So let's see, New features, choices, smaller footprint, options, OH and Upgrade!?!? Can we try and see the cool part of it?

Waste of large application widget grids...
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It's a dev preview. It's not even a beta. Anything can and will change. Don't base your opinions of W8 on this.

Damn. How do u get 500MB download speed? Why apple?

You are not forces to use Metro. The Classic desktop will be there too.

Will they be implementing Kinect to use with the new dashboard for those who dont have a touchscreen?

i love the boot's time of win8

I love everything about it. Smooth, fast, easy to use. Even Metro UI that will be lot better when we have apps for it. And sync! Seriously, Windows 8 is fine.
I didnt have any BSOD until now. Just some freezes in my Mac Mini (but my Dell is perfect), and I can blame Apple for that.
For those who hate Metro UI.. Stop complaining a little. You can use the default desktop as your main, and Metro UI just as a launcher of apps/programs. Whining wont make MS remove it. This is the future. If you think you'd do better, then try to be Microsoft's CEO.

master.peterm said:
lets be honest here.... the metro UI looks nice and all, but without a touch screen its completely out of place.. Keyboard and mouse interfaces have traditionally been vertical, you move through web pages vertically, you scroll through lists vertically, but metro UI is horizontal, scrolling down to turn right isn't quite intuitive....
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I have to agree. I've been through the dev preview and I very much like the layout.. for a tablet. On a desktop however, it just seems wrong.

Arowan said:
i love the boot's time of win8
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Becuz they just cheated u by just hibernating..
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yes it does
this is not a revolution, its a start over from the first day of pc's
what a disgrace
how long ago did a dialog box have a simple solid color? along with the buttons?

master.peterm said:
lets be honest here.... the metro UI looks nice and all, but without a touch screen its completely out of place.. Keyboard and mouse interfaces have traditionally been vertical, you move through web pages vertically, you scroll through lists vertically, but metro UI is horizontal, scrolling down to turn right isn't quite intuitive....
and yea Ive done the "hack" to bring back the old start menu, but if you do that the metro UI kinda trips out plus thats the whole point of using windows 8 versus windows 7...
... worst thing was I deleted my Ubuntu partition to use it, but in a couple of days I think I'm gonna get the Ubuntu 11.10 beta 2 and delete windows 8
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Aside from Windows Mobile and Pocket PC, Microsoft has always kind of had horizontal interfaces(Windows Media Center, Live, Xbox 360, etc etc). But just to note, this preview isn't anything final or was made to be ran as a daily OS. The Metro UI is made for tablets, it most likely won't be incorporated in final desktop builds or if it is, it'll be more adjusted to the desktop environment. All this Preview was made to do, was introduce Metro UI and the tools to create apps to work with the Metro UI. Even though it's still heavily based on NT 6.1, so far Windows 8 uses less resources than what Windows 7 did in both beta and final builds thanks to some kernel differences as well as filesystem changes.
Looking at the past as well, the Windows 7 beta used more resources than Windows 7 final. Windows Vista used more resources than both. Windows XP was built in a different manor, so not really counting XP in this. So far, Windows Developer preview is using less resources than Windows 7 7601. If history repeats itself, Windows 8 final will use less resources than the betas, developer preview, and 7. And if rumors of registry being cut out in windows 8 final and apps that need the registry is being taken care of by Hyper-V support, then to me that makes Windows 8 x100 times better than previous Windows systems.

as far as I am concerned Windows 8 is just UI update for tablets or other devices that have touch screens and shouldn't be called windows 8 it should be windows 7.1 !

Check your machine configuration!!

Starting to like this
I have used every version of windows since 2.5 on 5.25 floppy disk's. It took alot of getting used to not having the start menu that we have been used to since 1995. But with that said once you start getting the navigation down pat it is alot faster at finding and running programs. Wait i have to be politically correct here APPS LOL. I boot up which is amazing and click the Firefox app and Bam i am on the internet kinda digging it. The only thing that i have an issue with is None of the preinstalled apps work trust me im on a dell xps15 and my screen resolution is good enough. gonna try a reinstall with a fresh wipe to see if that clears it up. other than that i'm happy.

vbetts said:
Aside from Windows Mobile and Pocket PC, Microsoft has always kind of had horizontal interfaces(Windows Media Center, Live, Xbox 360, etc etc). But just to note, this preview isn't anything final or was made to be ran as a daily OS. The Metro UI is made for tablets, it most likely won't be incorporated in final desktop builds or if it is, it'll be more adjusted to the desktop environment. All this Preview was made to do, was introduce Metro UI and the tools to create apps to work with the Metro UI. Even though it's still heavily based on NT 6.1, so far Windows 8 uses less resources than what Windows 7 did in both beta and final builds thanks to some kernel differences as well as filesystem changes.
Looking at the past as well, the Windows 7 beta used more resources than Windows 7 final. Windows Vista used more resources than both. Windows XP was built in a different manor, so not really counting XP in this. So far, Windows Developer preview is using less resources than Windows 7 7601. If history repeats itself, Windows 8 final will use less resources than the betas, developer preview, and 7. And if rumors of registry being cut out in windows 8 final and apps that need the registry is being taken care of by Hyper-V support, then to me that makes Windows 8 x100 times better than previous Windows systems.
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yes they will incorporate it in final pcs...
however I actually have enjoyed metro ui and it actually functions pretty darn well on a desktop pc
There are some things I hope will be changed (mouse simulating touch input for instance which can alleviate a lot of transition issues) but otherwise I have a really good experience of it

[Q] What is the need of a desktop in windows 8?If the whole thing is in Start menu?

I dont know y microsoft gave a desktop in widows 8 when you can do everything in the start menu?

they made it so the old user won't have problems fitting themselves to the new UI.
and it's made so pc user can use W8 correctly (no too damn big buttons)

They did it so Windows 8 can run older windows apps as well as metro apps.
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moutansos said:
They did it so Windows 8 can run older windows apps as well as metro apps.
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exactly, it was for backward compatibility with older versions of Windows. But truly the metro screen is just a new incarnation of the start menu.
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So does that mean windows 8 still has a regular desktop? also is it possible to install windows 8 on tablets, thats what it seems like its meant for

i could have sworn that I answered almost the exact same question the other day....
robotnikman said:
So does that mean windows 8 still has a regular desktop? also is it possible to install windows 8 on tablets, thats what it seems like its meant for
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Windows 8 does have desktop
Windows (8) RT does not, that is the ARM fork of windows, or at least that is what we believe to be the case
you can install Windows 8 on a tablet based on x86,
Tablets based on ARM can not be installed, or at least that is what MS intends, it might be possible but out of the box Windows RT isn't a retail product.

Assembly Language said:
I dont know y microsoft gave a desktop in widows 8 when you can do everything in the start menu?
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For the same reason why it has a desktop in Win7!?!
What a ridiculous question.

Hmm, as I've observed. Maybe that's one thing that makes Win8 boot more faster.

Yep, I think they did it because if the left it out, all the old windows Users would miss it and won't use W8, and since it is aviable, users that don't like the Metro theme, can use the old Desktop..
But I don't like it at all! Maybe on a TouchPad, or a Notebook with Touchscreen.. But for usual Desktops and Laptops the new metro theme in W8 is not a very good solution.
I don't like all that Touch-Stuff (You can see that in thr "new" Ubunu, too), since i'm using a regular Laptop & Desktop without any Touch screens.. They could implement for example something like scrolling by moving the cursor to the side of the screen, to make it more comfortable for users like me..
I think I'll stay on Win7.. Updating is too expensive anyway .

Without a desktop everything would need more time. Like to copy a text from the "internet explorer" to a word document.

Tzizzel said:
Without a desktop everything would need more time. Like to copy a text from the "internet explorer" to a word document.
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How so? Metro does have context menus. The multitasking needs a little work (Apps repeatedly restart on me when I switch to them) but it takes the same amount of time. If you think otherwise you're a tiny bit delusional. You have to focus the app anyway (even in desktop), right click and press paste, or if you use keyboard shortcuts, use them. Same amount of time really.
Also,.user two posts above, they DO scroll by moving the mouse top the side of the screen. ;-)
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I dont know y microsoft gave a desktop in widows 8 when you can do everything in the start menu?
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because metro sucks if you have a gaming rig and non touch screen

ShinigamiH4ck3r said:
because metro sucks if you have a gaming rig and non touch screen
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Disagree, I play games with Windows 8 on my NetBook and they play fine, I also have attached a keyboard, mouse and monitor to it and it was still alright to use.
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Think about trying to be a programmer on metro. Its a big pain, desktop is never going to fade unless major editors and compilers find some way to make it more convient on metro, which i doubt since you have the constant need to quickly switch between programs and explorer windows
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Think about trying to be a programmer on metro. Its a big pain, desktop is never going to fade unless major editors and compilers find some way to make it more convient on metro, which i doubt since you have the constant need to quickly switch between programs and explorer windows
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I doubt it will be that hard. Would love to try writing code inside metro, compilers won't need metro equivalents though only editors (SciTe, VS, etc.) but either way, people are missing the point of metro which is not to replace the standard desktop, but replace the start menu and enhance the desktop.
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I doubt it will be that hard. Would love to try writing code inside metro, compilers won't need metro equivalents though only editors (SciTe, VS, etc.) but either way, people are missing the point of metro which is not to replace the standard desktop, but replace the start menu and enhance the desktop.
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No, Microsoft is trying to replace the standard desktop.
The main reason for thinking this.. they are trying to do away with the file/object system that computers have been based on for just about forever. They are pushing towards a data-driven interface. The two don't mesh well, which is why windows 8 is a mess of different methodologies.
It really all has very little to do with touchscreens and such. Touch is just the current and most obvious way of interacting with data.

ShadowEO said:
I doubt it will be that hard. Would love to try writing code inside metro, compilers won't need metro equivalents though only editors (SciTe, VS, etc.) but either way, people are missing the point of metro which is not to replace the standard desktop, but replace the start menu and enhance the desktop.
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Switching between browser, text editor, eclipse (just as an example) and such take longer when using the metro way [moving mouse to topleft waiting for thing to pop up and then selecting], each time. thats all i mean

Dri94 said:
Switching between browser, text editor, eclipse (just as an example) and such take longer when using the metro way [moving mouse to topleft waiting for thing to pop up and then selecting], each time. thats all i mean
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Agree with that. Only the action of shutting down the computer is slower than in Windows 7. You have to wait the bar to pop up, then select settings, and then shut down instead of moving quickly the mouse to the bottom left corner, click on Start button and press Shut down.

I have always used multitasking keys to switch apps, so there is no difference in speed, but win8 seems snappier.
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ShinigamiH4ck3r said:
because metro sucks if you have a gaming rig and non touch screen
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Also disagree. I play alsorts of games on my tablet and have had no problems. I will admit that without a touch screen you loose alot of fun from Windows 8, but if you are a serious gamer like me, Windows 7 ultimate x64 is for gaming, windows 8 x64 is for work/living room/bedtime/keeping the wife quiet

Turn any laptop into a tablet?

Despite some criticisms regarding its incredibly touch-centric user-interface that doesn't perform as well as a traditional desktop when using a standard mouse and keyboard, there will likely still come a time when Windows 8 is the only viable operating system for everyday use due to Windows' far superior application support by developers over Linux and Mac alternatives. Since versions after Windows 8 are likely still going to employ the touch-centric UI with Microsoft clearly determined to harken in the death of traditional computers in place of tablet/laptop hybrids, it seems to me that I may as well merely upgrade and become accustomed to the new user-interface. Whilst the discounted upgrade offer until the end of January also offers even further incentive to upgrade, the lack of an input method optimised for Windows 8 on my laptop is concerning and making me reluctant to do so.
I distinctly remember reading in articles a few months ago of purchasable styluses that also came included with a clip that attached to the top of a laptop's screen and, when using the stylus, it effectively turned said screen (so long as it was under 17 inches in size) into a touch-screen. Has anything become of these, because they seem very well-fit towards Windows 8 and the price for such a device is still likely to be much cheaper than purchasing a new laptop with a touch-screen or standalone touch-screen monitor?
Alternatively, as some of you have recommended, a mouse or touch-pad optimised for usage with Windows 8 may also prove a very viable alternative. The Logitech® Wireless Touchpad T650 is a really nice device that arguably even has benefits over even using any touch-screen, since you will not be subjected to fingerprints on your monitor from touching it all the time. However, I really do need something that still allows for traditional mouse input with a left-click and right-click simultaneously, which is needed for gaming. Any ideas of such a device, if any exists?

I've seen the same. It's one of those nice ideas that go fetal when facing commercial reality. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it.
IMO the most practical way to use Metro on a non-touch system (whether laptop or desktop) is to have a good touchpad with updated drivers to allow edge-swiping. Much of Metro's functionality is from the edge swipes, and the other functions--pinch zoom, scroll, gestures, etc--are old hat. A touchpad isn't as intuitive as directly touching the screen, but it is ergonomically superior (you don't have to lift your arms up to the screen for every touch), and you don't have to deal with fingerprint city.
If your laptop's trackpad is of the throwaway variety, or if you have a desktop, would suggest a good external trackpad. Unfortunately, I have no firsthand experience with any, but a cursory search on Amazon yields this below, the Logitech T650. Looks good, but fairly expensive at $80. Assuming Win8 doesn't do a faceplant, I'm sure there'll be more like this.
http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/195406/Logitech-Wireless-Touchpad-T650-Silver/

As e.mote said, a multi-touch trackpad is your best bet!

I have the T650 and it is a good, inexpensive, portable solution. Bonus - it uses Logitech's unifying driver, so you can also add a compatible Logitech mouse or trackpad and they will all work off the one usb dongle. (At the same time!)
But, in my opinion, the BEST solution is the Dell dell S2340T touch screen monitor. Yeah, it costs $550 more - but this is the experience you are looking for.
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I have the T650 and it is a good, inexpensive, portable solution. Bonus - it uses Logitech's unifying driver, so you can also add a compatible Logitech mouse or trackpad and they will all work off the one usb dongle. (At the same time!)
But, in my opinion, the BEST solution is the Dell dell S2340T touch screen monitor. Yeah, it costs $550 more - but this is the experience you are looking for.
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Looks nice...I wasn't thinking about something like that at the time I made my reply.

I picked up the T650 from best buy to try it out. I'm returning it. Works as advertised but just isn't worth the $80.
Number one, they've got a software kink or two to work out (lags with double tap). I'm sure that'll be fixed, but.... eh. Two, the printed Logitech logo actually interferes with the input near the top of the device. Not a huge deal- hard to notice, but still. Three, no support for momentum. Four, something stained or smudged or... did something to the glass surface not an hour after I unboxed it. Doesn't seem to have hurt it at all, but I can't clean it off. The surface isn't incredibly fragile but it sure isn't going to stay pretty for long. Five, touchpads are generally inferior input devices. If you want an input device that is stationary, get one of the mice that has the ball you move with your thumb. The T650 is really sort of a gimmick device- I'd only recommend it as a low-profile/visually pleasing/easily-hidden remote input for a computer hooked up to a tv or similar scenario. Even then, I'd recommend a wiimote over this, if you know how to configure it of course. The T650 is zero configuration.
Honestly I have no issues using metro with a mouse on a desktop. Really, you're not disadvantaged or having to work around anything. Move the cursor up to the corner, move down a few pixels. Or Win+c / Win+tab on the keyboard. Right click and the context menu button certainly aren't disadvantaged (I've honestly never used that button before!). Actually using the mouse is better- it's faster to navigate the previews on the left than arbitrarily swiping through apps as with touch. As for closing an app- you don't need to. But if you must, alt+f4 works. Also I have no problems dragging down to close on my mouse or touchpad, though I would imagine that it could get annoying if you use a very low sensitivity setting. But you're doing it wrong if you do- a good rule of thumb for any input device is that the cursor should be at least 1:1 with the screen; you should be able to reach all corners of the monitor without having to readjust your hand (that is, reach every corner of the screen without lifting a finger on the touchpad, and without lifting a mouse). So the gesture should be easily done on mouse/touchpad with minimal effort.

Whilst I have yet to see a single review of the Logitech Wireless Touchpad or even hear of it prior to this thread, I absolutely love the idea of it and can easily see it as a solid replacement for the touch-screen on a Windows 8 machine. The problem is that I really do need a traditional mouse for playing games. Looks like I shall not be upgrading to Windows 8 then...

Sounds like what you're looking for is a touch mouse, ie one that allows 4-way touch scrolling plus Win8-specific gestures. Logitech has the T620 ($70) and MS has a whole suite of touch mice, although I think only the top-end MS Touch Mouse ($80) is Win8 optimized.
Logitech T620 (at 1:20 mark)
http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/10/...-t650-touch-mouse-t620-zone-touch-mouse-t400/
Logitech T620 Win8 gestures
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/mice-pointers/articles/win8-t620-gestures
MS Touch Mouse Win8 gestures
http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/p/touch-mouse/3KJ-00001#windows-8

e.mote said:
Sounds like what you're looking for is a touch mouse, ie one that allows 4-way touch scrolling plus Win8-specific gestures. Logitech has the T620 ($70) and MS has a whole suite of touch mice, although I think only the top-end MS Touch Mouse ($80) is Win8 optimized.
Logitech T620 (at 1:20 mark)
http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/10/...-t650-touch-mouse-t620-zone-touch-mouse-t400/
Logitech T620 Win8 gestures
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/mice-pointers/articles/win8-t620-gestures
MS Touch Mouse Win8 gestures
http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/p/touch-mouse/3KJ-00001#windows-8
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The two mice look, frankly, awful. The touch-pad is a very nice idea once you learn the shortcuts, but its performance in traditional applications that need a left and right click at the same time (such as games) is going to be poor. Thanks for the suggestions though.
I want a form of input for Windows 8 that either is, or closely mimicking that of, a touch-screen whilst still offering the traditional input that I need for games and also retaining a reasonable price. Until I can find such a thing, I shall never be upgrading to Windows 8.

Brad387 said:
Whilst I have yet to see a single review of the Logitech Wireless Touchpad or even hear of it prior to this thread, I absolutely love the idea of it and can easily see it as a solid replacement for the touch-screen on a Windows 8 machine. The problem is that I really do need a traditional mouse for playing games. Looks like I shall not be upgrading to Windows 8 then...
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Are you serious? I mean, if you don't have $40 to spare, fine. But your decision on whether or not to upgrade to a faster, slimmer version of windows is hanging on something so trivially stupid as, "I need to buy another device because I've convinced myself that touch input is the only way to use 8"! You do realize you can turn off anything that you think "requires touch"? Did you read my post, which mostly consisted of me explaining why it's stupid to think you need touch for any of it?
That touch mouse is ridiculously silly. Do you realize you could just buy a gaming mouse with extra buttons, then map all the "touch gestures" to each button? Basing your decision on something so incredibly arbitrary is... frustrating.
Touch input is *NOT REQUIRED*.
Get the Logitech G700 if you don't have a gaming mouse yet- honestly there is no other mouse comparable on the market (unless you need an MMO mouse, that's a different beast).

link68759 said:
Are you serious?
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Am I serious in that the lack of an input system I am comfortable with using for an operating system puts me off of said operating system? Absolutely. I have seen videos about using Windows 8 with traditional mice and, frankly, it looks a less than desirable experience. How you interact with an operating system, despite your strange reaction to my issues, are actually really important.

Sorry I edited a lot and didn't realize you already replied, go read my post again.
For the record, you can disable all the "touch" things and it behaves exactly like 7. In fact if you don't use metro at all, you don't even need to access the related metro commands... So I fail to see what the issue is.
Also, I assume you were watching videos of someone moaning about how excruciating it is. Self confirmation bias isn't research.

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Sorry I edited a lot and didn't realize you already replied, go read my post again.
For the record, you can disable all the "touch" things and it behaves exactly like 7. In fact if you don't use metro at all, you don't need to access the related metro commands... So I fail to see what the issue is.
Also, I assume you were watching videos of someone moaning about how excruciating it is. Self confirmation bias isn't research.
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I like the new Metro UI, but just feel that I may need a slightly better form of input. If I want the same Windows 7 UI, I'd just keep Windows 7.

There is a lot more to 8 than just the superficial UI additions, is my point. The under the hood improvements are very good and well worth snatching while 8 is still $40.
To name a few changes; generally faster and more optimized, uses less RAM, and the entire graphics subsystem has been rewritten, so when NVidia gets around to taking advantage of the new features with their drivers, we should see better gaming performance too.

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There is a lot more to 8 than just the superficial UI additions, is my point. The under the hood improvements are very good and well worth snatching while 8 is still $40.
To name a few changes; generally faster and more optimized, uses less RAM, and the entire graphics subsystem has been rewritten, so when NVidia gets around to taking advantage of the new features with their drivers, we should see better gaming performance too.
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My other worries are regarding drivers. I don't want to upgrade and lose drivers for my laptop, which would be a nightmare. Also, software support seems pitiful at the moment. Does Steam and iTunes work on Windows 8? Finally, do you need a Microsoft account to utilise Windows 8?
But, back on topic, I'd still rather just keep to Windows 7 unless I can actually enjoy the new UI. Windows 9, or whatever it is likely to be called, should be released next year as part of Microsoft's new annual upgrade plan for Windows and I will likely just get that or even the one after that. The performance increase might be there, but I haven't read of any performance increases on Windows 8 anywhere. "No UI = No New OS" is my policy here. I want the Metro UI, but a nice form of input with it.
All I need is a touch mouse that allows for all the otherwise touch-screen Windows 8 gestures, but still retains physical left and right mouse buttons for gaming. After that, I am sold so long as everything in terms of drivers and stuff checks out.

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I am running Steam on W8 fine. I don't use iTunes, but there haven't been any complaints yet. Most games I have tried run on W8, with the exception of Command & Conquer Generals. Whats's this about the annual upgrade plan, by the way? Also trackpad drivers for Windows 8 have Windows 8 gestures built in (if it is a Synaptics trackpad you should have no issues). Finally, if you are worried about losing W7, you can just dual boot.
And fyi, I am not a fanboy. I would rather use Linux if I could, but until there is software and driver support for what I do, that is not going to happen.
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http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/28/3693368/windows-blue-update-low-cost
So, my trackpad built into my Acer which is a Synaptics will gain all the Windows 8 gestures?

Brad387 said:
http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/28/3693368/windows-blue-update-low-cost
So, my trackpad built into my Acer which is a Synaptics will gain all the Windows 8 gestures?
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If Acer has released drivers for it. My Thinkpad did not get drivers until about a month after RTM, but I would expect any decent manufacturer to have them out. If not, the generic Synaptics drivers work, but some trackpads may have issues.
If you are planning to dual boot the system, you may want to check this out first. Set it up in dual boot and see if everything works. If you are satisfied, you can install Pro over it. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/jj554510.aspx

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My other worries are regarding drivers. I don't want to upgrade and lose drivers for my laptop, which would be a nightmare. Also, software support seems pitiful at the moment. Does Steam and iTunes work on Windows 8? Finally, do you need a Microsoft account to utilise Windows 8?
But, back on topic, I'd still rather just keep to Windows 7 unless I can actually enjoy the new UI. Windows 9, or whatever it is likely to be called, should be released next year as part of Microsoft's new annual upgrade plan for Windows and I will likely just get that or even the one after that. The performance increase might be there, but I haven't read of any performance increases on Windows 8 anywhere. "No UI = No New OS" is my policy here. I want the Metro UI, but a nice form of input with it.
All I need is a touch mouse that allows for all the otherwise touch-screen Windows 8 gestures, but still retains physical left and right mouse buttons for gaming. After that, I am sold so long as everything in terms of drivers and stuff checks out.
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Software support is pitiful? Literally almost nothing in regard to how a program runs has changed. If itunes doesn't work that's because itunes is a crappy piece of **** software. Steam has never not worked, idk where you heard that. As far as I can tell, everything that worked on 7 will work on 8, with the obvious exception of 7 tweakUI and related customization utilities.
As for an MS acount, no you don't need one. You can create a local account just like you always could, and if you want you can log into the store with an MS account, so you can still use metro without tying your local account to the MS account. But if you do this you obviously lose the neat sync features.
As for the mouse, trust me when I say you do not want to buy into a gimmicky piece of hardware like that. If you find something, it's not going to be suitable for gaming as the hardware will probably be pretty shoddy. I don't know why you keep insisting that you need touch input, I've tried to tell you but you just won't listen! Touch input is just unnecessary! It's not going to add to your windows 8 experience in any significant way. Save yourself the money, just get a conventional mouse from razer or logitech. Stop convincing yourself that the input is "touch based"- the mouse actually uses different gestures than the touch input does so each new addition can be accessed by mouse gesture or touch gesture. Insisting that you need touch to use it the touch way is just stupid.
"No UI = No New OS"
You are the worst type of person. It's that kind of horrible attitude that turns good software into ****. Behind the scenes improvements and minor efficiency optimizations to the established UI(s) is what the focus should be. I'm not even going to try and explain to you why that's so stupid...
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If you have a synaptic touch pad on your laptop aready then just download the latest drivers, they work fine, to be honestmate you've read to much in to the touch centric UI its just as easy with a keyboard an mouse, use it, learn it, and I promise once you get the Hang of it you won't miss the touch screen, that then allows you to freely learn the OS an when your ready you can buy a new laptop or tablet when the time an price is right for you, don't believe all the negativity you read on this, its almost all complete FUD
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Can my laptop run Windows 8?

Acer Aspire 5552
-AMD Athlon II X2 P320 processor 2.1 Ghz
-ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4250
-4 GB DDR3 Memory
-500 GB HDD
-1366x768 HD LCD
1: Will this laptop run Windows 8 with all available options, such as splitting apps and all?
2: Running the upgrade assistant, it says secure boot isn't supported on my system. Is this a worry?
3: If I upgrade, will I keep all my programs and documents?
4: Is iTunes, Skype, Steam, Hamachi, Chrome, Microsoft Office 2007 and Photoshop CS5 all compatible?
5: My track-pad is a Synaptics one. Will Windows 8 drivers give it all the different gestures for Windows 8?
6: What is it like without a touch-screen? Should I buy a touch-mouse and, if so, what one?

Brad387 said:
Acer Aspire 5552
-AMD Athlon II X2 P320 processor 2.1 Ghz
-ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4250
-4 GB DDR3 Memory
-500 GB HDD
-1366x768 HD LCD
1: Will this laptop run Windows 8 with all available options, such as splitting apps and all?
2: Running the upgrade assistant, it says secure boot isn't supported on my system. Is this a worry?
3: If I upgrade, will I keep all my programs and documents?
4: Is iTunes, Steam, Hamachi, Chrome, Microsoft Office 2007 and Photoshop CS5 all compatible?
5: My track-pad is a Synaptics one. Will Windows 8 drivers give it all the different gestures for Windows 8?
6: What is it like without a touch-screen? Should I buy a touch-mouse and, if so, what one?
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1. Not a guarantee, but splitting apps should work - however useless that feature is.
2. Secure boot blocks anything besides Windows from booting up, which is helpful to almost all Windows users, but probably not xda members.
3. Don't do the upgrade. People have had so many problems with it that it is much better to dual boot imo.
4. iTunes - not sure but probably, seeing as it is just a music application and doesn't direcly interface with hardware
Steam - yes
Hamachi - no idea
Chrome - yes
Office - yes
CS5 - yes
5. It SHOULD
6. I would say that a proper trackpad is ergonomically superior to a touchscreen. Sure it's a little more awkward but you don't have to lift your hand up to it. When I upgraded to 8 my two finger scrolling became almost as smooth as it is on Mac. The only inconvenient part about not having a touchscreen (imo) is having to drag the mouse from the top of the screen to the bottom in order to close apps, but it is way easier to just alt + f4 it.
But if you are like me you won't even touch Metro apps. My start screen consists of my desktop apps and shortcuts to various folders. It retains all of the functionality of the old start menu. Just stuff has been moved around that's all. You can still hit windows (or click start) and start typing away. But now if you want to click on something to open it you have the whole screen available, and you can pick which programs are on there, instead of just your most recent ones.

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1. Not a guarantee, but splitting apps should work - however useless that feature is.
2. Secure boot blocks anything besides Windows from booting up, which is helpful to almost all Windows users, but probably not xda members.
3. Don't do the upgrade. People have had so many problems with it that it is much better to dual boot imo.
4. iTunes - not sure but probably, seeing as it is just a music application and doesn't direcly interface with hardware
Steam - yes
Hamachi - no idea
Chrome - yes
Office - yes
CS5 - yes
5. It SHOULD
6. I would say that a proper trackpad is ergonomically superior to a touchscreen. Sure it's a little more awkward but you don't have to lift your hand up to it. When I upgraded to 8 my two finger scrolling became almost as smooth as it is on Mac. The only inconvenient part about not having a touchscreen (imo) is having to drag the mouse from the top of the screen to the bottom in order to close apps, but it is way easier to just alt + f4 it.
But if you are like me you won't even touch Metro apps. My start screen consists of my desktop apps and shortcuts to various folders. It retains all of the functionality of the old start menu. Just stuff has been moved around that's all. You can still hit windows (or click start) and start typing away. But now if you want to click on something to open it you have the whole screen available, and you can pick which programs are on there, instead of just your most recent ones.
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Why shouldn't it be able to run Windows 8 in full, since it more than passes the minimum system requirements? Will the performance of my laptop improve or become worse than with Windows 7? I really would like for Hamachi to work, so if anybody knows please leave a message. What is the point of dual-booting? I really do just want to upgrade. What problems are there with that?

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Why shouldn't it be able to run Windows 8 in full, since it more than passes the minimum system requirements? Will the performance of my laptop improve or become worse than with Windows 7? I really would like for Hamachi to work, so if anybody knows please leave a message. What is the point of dual-booting? I really do just want to upgrade. What problems are there with that?
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If something goes wrong, you still have your old os. Also upgrading windows is generally a bad idea because of all the problems it causes. If you wanted to upgrade I would back up everything to an external drive and format it.

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If something goes wrong, you still have your old os. Also upgrading windows is generally a bad idea because of all the problems it causes. If you wanted to upgrade I would back up everything to an external drive and format it.
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I will likely still keep Windows 7 then, if upgrading is that risky. I cannot be bothered to reinstall everything or transfer all my files. My laptop is really important for my education and also just in my daily life. I don't want any risk to it. Thanks for the help though...

Brad387 said:
I will likely still keep Windows 7 then, if upgrading is that risky. I cannot be bothered to reinstall everything or transfer all my files. My laptop is really important for my education and also just in my daily life. I don't want any risk to it. Thanks for the help though...
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No problem

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No problem
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It will take me hours to reinstall all my games and software, especially since I can't even remember where I put the discs for some of them any more. Not worth it.

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