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Windows 7 on HTC HD2

Hello,
Does anyone knows how to install Windows 7 on the HTC HD2?
I've seen it on You Tube
t seems to me that like Android it is possible to have Windows 7 running on a HTC HD2.
I'm very interested to have it running on mine HD2.
Would anyone help me with it?
Many thanks

that's remote desktop.

windows 7
why would you want to?

thats not remote desktop because in remote desktop you cant use it in letterbox orientation, and doesnt have any keyboard the movie its very buggy thats a sign of uncompatible graphic mode but if thats real its good to have it like ubuntu and android

darkanubispr said:
thats not remote desktop because in remote desktop you cant use it in letterbox orientation, and doesnt have any keyboard the movie its very buggy thats a sign of uncompatible graphic mode but if thats real its good to have it like ubuntu and android
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There is landscape mode for remote desktop, you just have to flip it to landscape before you connect!
I can use the windows keyboard also.

Until WM7 is figured out it will be more locked down than WM6.5 meaning the opportunities to mod your phone to your liking with be less.

OK,
Thanks for your reply's
I wanted to use Windows 7 because I'll find it very easy to work with and I'm used to it
I tried a WAD-skin from Rajivshahi but the skin doesn't function very well on my device.
Perhaps I'm doing something wrong.
Maybe somebody knows something like Windows XP or Vista wich will work on the HTC HD2?

Are you serious?!?
Look at the specs needed to run Windows 7:
1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor.
1 gigabyte (GB) RAM (32-bit) or 2 GB RAM (64-bit).
16 GB available hard disk space (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit).
DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM 1.0 or higher driver.
Sure, we do have a 1HGz CPU, it's even 32bit! But it's NOT x86 or x64, it's a RISC processor using the ARMv7 instruction set.
Unless someone gets a hold of the sourcecode for Windows 7 and recompiles it for the ARMv7 instruction set, it won't be possible!
Even IF someone got the sourcecode, there are many things that should be adapted before porting Windows 7 to a mobile device like the HD2.
Oh, and then there's the RAM issue..
Sure, the HD2 has A LOT OF RAM compared to other Windows Mobile devices.. ..but it's still far away from 1 GB.
Which brings us to the next item on the list; "storage space"
In order to have 16GB, we need to use the Memory Card.
Sadly, the transfer speeds to and from the memory card is not as good as the ROM.
I don't have the speed figures right here, so I guess I can't argue that memory card speed isn't possible.
But I am 100% sure you'd need at least Class 6. (Those 16GB Class 6 cards are cheap, right?)
And at the end of the list; DirectX 9 graphics.
Thanks to one or more XDA members, we are slowly but steadily getting better #D hardware drivers.
Though we are not WDDM 1.0 compliant yet.
Probably never will be, as the hardware just isn't good enough.
You'll be happy to know, though, that we are able to emulate enough Intel CPU power to run Windows 95 on our devices!

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BenBok said:
I've seen it on You Tube
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If you look closely at that video in 720p, you'll notice the contents of "Computer"
I find it HIGHLY unlikely that his HD2 has THAT much storage space on either C: or D:
Where he's gotten that third local disk drive from, I have no idea..
Or how he got two DVD-ROMs conneted to it.
In the words of the youtube trolls; "Fake!"

Hmmm, just curious as to why you'd want something like that in your pocket. Buy an HTC Shift or a TabletPC. It'd much easier for you & probably cheaper to put Windows 7 on if you consider all the Advil, Aleve, Tylenol & whatever other headache medicine you'll save on.

OK,
You've got me convinced.
Dumb idea.
Is there any working skin to do the job on a HD2.
I've seen many skin's/ rom's, but till now nothing looks like something I want.
Maybe there is a site/tutorial how to make such a skin/ROM?

@topic
oh guys....
please....
search..........
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=677921
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=688317

Bonzo said:
If you look closely at that video in 720p, you'll notice the contents of "Computer"
I find it HIGHLY unlikely that his HD2 has THAT much storage space on either C: or D:
Where he's gotten that third local disk drive from, I have no idea..
Or how he got two DVD-ROMs conneted to it.
In the words of the youtube trolls; "Fake!"
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It's not fake, it's remote desktop.

OK,
Since I'm curious how it's done, maybe one of you wants to tell me how to connect to my PC (windows 7) with Remote Desktop Mobile.
I'm not familiar with it, please tell me in plain English. Thanks

HD2 with capacitive screen is freaking useless on remote desktop!
if you want to remote desktop, get a windows phone with resistive screen!
notice on the video, he never used the on-screen keyboard (remote pc keyboard) cus it freaking impossible to use on capacitive screen!

BenBok said:
OK,
Since I'm curious how it's done, maybe one of you wants to tell me how to connect to my PC (windows 7) with Remote Desktop Mobile.
I'm not familiar with it, please tell me in plain English. Thanks
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If you have Win7 Home Premium, Home or Basic, you can't.
If you have Win7 Professional or Ultimate, then:
- Connect your HD2 to your Wifi network, then find the IP of the Win7 computer
- To find the IP on the Win7 computer;
click on Start
type ' command ' into the "Search Programs and Files" box
click on "Command Prompt"
type ' ipconfig ' into the black box that appears
press Return or Enter on your keyboard
in the list that comes up, look for "IP address" under the wireless adaptor, usually starts with 192.168
- Open Remote Desktop on your HD2
- Enter the IP address of your computer and try to connect.
- If it doesn't connect, try checking your firewall on your Win7 computer to make sure Remote Desktop is allowed.

netnerd said:
HD2 with capacitive screen is freaking useless on remote desktop!
if you want to remote desktop, get a windows phone with resistive screen!
notice on the video, he never used the on-screen keyboard (remote pc keyboard) cus it freaking impossible to use on capacitive screen!
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Yeah, I agree.
Though I wonder if a bluetooth keyboard would work. probably?
Touch-screen works and that's input. And we can get output from the host computer. Maybe I'll try that one day.

Hi guys, i tried to install windows 7 on my HD2,
seems ok.
but Android is the way forward for apps

mannhoe said:
Hi guys, i tried to install windows 7 on my HD2,
seems ok.
but Android is the way forward for apps
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Wow, you got Windows 7 on your HD2? Now that would be a development...
(Guess it´s Windows Phone 7, no?).
Concerning apps, I don´t understand what people want...
Is it the number of apps which stands for the quality of what you get? According to my personal experience and opinion, 95% of all apps in Apple´s app store are just crap, and Android? Well, quite a bit chaotic, and quite a lot of crap, too.
But then again, thanks to a huge devs community like you find it here at xda, Android has a massive number of small apps which are really following user requests. And not just farts and other useless joke apps.

Windows 8 sucks for desktops....

lets be honest here.... the metro UI looks nice and all, but without a touch screen its completely out of place.. Keyboard and mouse interfaces have traditionally been vertical, you move through web pages vertically, you scroll through lists vertically, but metro UI is horizontal, scrolling down to turn right isn't quite intuitive....
and yea Ive done the "hack" to bring back the old start menu, but if you do that the metro UI kinda trips out plus thats the whole point of using windows 8 versus windows 7...
... worst thing was I deleted my Ubuntu partition to use it, but in a couple of days I think I'm gonna get the Ubuntu 11.10 beta 2 and delete windows 8

I totally agree..because what we expect from a PC is ease of access not the other way around...especially from keyboard and mouse they want us to use tiles
feels kinda stupid..the wrost case is search if I want to access a program is that really necessary for me to know which category it will falls in...its easy sometimes but not in the case of normal users....if MS really doesn't want to face the vista situation...they need to really think about the PC version of Win8....one more thing I want yo point out is that OS is really good for touchscreen capable devices but not for analog device operation....this is my opinion for the current developer built and not for win8 as a whole...

dats true tablet layout on PC is weird.
But win 8's performance is awesome.

maybe i'm just weird like that, but i kinda like the metro ui on my laptop/desktop setup. even though i don't have a touch-enabled screen, it didn't take me long to get used to using metro and make it work the way i like.

The live tiles and simplicity of it all are very nice, and dual booting Kubuntu was simple, I'm quite sure triple booting (Win7) would be a piece of cake as well. The desk top with the split screen is awesome! And a desktop is a desk top I don 't see the big deal here... Oh, this is a pre beta, I almost forgot. So let's see, New features, choices, smaller footprint, options, OH and Upgrade!?!? Can we try and see the cool part of it?

Waste of large application widget grids...
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It's a dev preview. It's not even a beta. Anything can and will change. Don't base your opinions of W8 on this.

Damn. How do u get 500MB download speed? Why apple?

You are not forces to use Metro. The Classic desktop will be there too.

Will they be implementing Kinect to use with the new dashboard for those who dont have a touchscreen?

i love the boot's time of win8

I love everything about it. Smooth, fast, easy to use. Even Metro UI that will be lot better when we have apps for it. And sync! Seriously, Windows 8 is fine.
I didnt have any BSOD until now. Just some freezes in my Mac Mini (but my Dell is perfect), and I can blame Apple for that.
For those who hate Metro UI.. Stop complaining a little. You can use the default desktop as your main, and Metro UI just as a launcher of apps/programs. Whining wont make MS remove it. This is the future. If you think you'd do better, then try to be Microsoft's CEO.

master.peterm said:
lets be honest here.... the metro UI looks nice and all, but without a touch screen its completely out of place.. Keyboard and mouse interfaces have traditionally been vertical, you move through web pages vertically, you scroll through lists vertically, but metro UI is horizontal, scrolling down to turn right isn't quite intuitive....
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I have to agree. I've been through the dev preview and I very much like the layout.. for a tablet. On a desktop however, it just seems wrong.

Arowan said:
i love the boot's time of win8
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Becuz they just cheated u by just hibernating..
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yes it does
this is not a revolution, its a start over from the first day of pc's
what a disgrace
how long ago did a dialog box have a simple solid color? along with the buttons?

master.peterm said:
lets be honest here.... the metro UI looks nice and all, but without a touch screen its completely out of place.. Keyboard and mouse interfaces have traditionally been vertical, you move through web pages vertically, you scroll through lists vertically, but metro UI is horizontal, scrolling down to turn right isn't quite intuitive....
and yea Ive done the "hack" to bring back the old start menu, but if you do that the metro UI kinda trips out plus thats the whole point of using windows 8 versus windows 7...
... worst thing was I deleted my Ubuntu partition to use it, but in a couple of days I think I'm gonna get the Ubuntu 11.10 beta 2 and delete windows 8
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Aside from Windows Mobile and Pocket PC, Microsoft has always kind of had horizontal interfaces(Windows Media Center, Live, Xbox 360, etc etc). But just to note, this preview isn't anything final or was made to be ran as a daily OS. The Metro UI is made for tablets, it most likely won't be incorporated in final desktop builds or if it is, it'll be more adjusted to the desktop environment. All this Preview was made to do, was introduce Metro UI and the tools to create apps to work with the Metro UI. Even though it's still heavily based on NT 6.1, so far Windows 8 uses less resources than what Windows 7 did in both beta and final builds thanks to some kernel differences as well as filesystem changes.
Looking at the past as well, the Windows 7 beta used more resources than Windows 7 final. Windows Vista used more resources than both. Windows XP was built in a different manor, so not really counting XP in this. So far, Windows Developer preview is using less resources than Windows 7 7601. If history repeats itself, Windows 8 final will use less resources than the betas, developer preview, and 7. And if rumors of registry being cut out in windows 8 final and apps that need the registry is being taken care of by Hyper-V support, then to me that makes Windows 8 x100 times better than previous Windows systems.

as far as I am concerned Windows 8 is just UI update for tablets or other devices that have touch screens and shouldn't be called windows 8 it should be windows 7.1 !

Check your machine configuration!!

Starting to like this
I have used every version of windows since 2.5 on 5.25 floppy disk's. It took alot of getting used to not having the start menu that we have been used to since 1995. But with that said once you start getting the navigation down pat it is alot faster at finding and running programs. Wait i have to be politically correct here APPS LOL. I boot up which is amazing and click the Firefox app and Bam i am on the internet kinda digging it. The only thing that i have an issue with is None of the preinstalled apps work trust me im on a dell xps15 and my screen resolution is good enough. gonna try a reinstall with a fresh wipe to see if that clears it up. other than that i'm happy.

vbetts said:
Aside from Windows Mobile and Pocket PC, Microsoft has always kind of had horizontal interfaces(Windows Media Center, Live, Xbox 360, etc etc). But just to note, this preview isn't anything final or was made to be ran as a daily OS. The Metro UI is made for tablets, it most likely won't be incorporated in final desktop builds or if it is, it'll be more adjusted to the desktop environment. All this Preview was made to do, was introduce Metro UI and the tools to create apps to work with the Metro UI. Even though it's still heavily based on NT 6.1, so far Windows 8 uses less resources than what Windows 7 did in both beta and final builds thanks to some kernel differences as well as filesystem changes.
Looking at the past as well, the Windows 7 beta used more resources than Windows 7 final. Windows Vista used more resources than both. Windows XP was built in a different manor, so not really counting XP in this. So far, Windows Developer preview is using less resources than Windows 7 7601. If history repeats itself, Windows 8 final will use less resources than the betas, developer preview, and 7. And if rumors of registry being cut out in windows 8 final and apps that need the registry is being taken care of by Hyper-V support, then to me that makes Windows 8 x100 times better than previous Windows systems.
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yes they will incorporate it in final pcs...
however I actually have enjoyed metro ui and it actually functions pretty darn well on a desktop pc
There are some things I hope will be changed (mouse simulating touch input for instance which can alleviate a lot of transition issues) but otherwise I have a really good experience of it

PC is becoming tablet?

Anyone here is watching CES 2012 on facebook?
Right now that lady is demo-ing the Windows 8 Tablet, i like the original idea about Windows 8 is bringing Metro UI to Desktop, but i think the marketplace / apps for Desktop is something stupid to me.
I think Microsoft has gone too far and almost completely forgotten about PC hardcore User. Ebay apps when we have IE/Firefox/Chrome for Ebay.com?
Maybe i am wrong over here, because until now i have no clue about the idea behind Marketplace for PC.
What do you guys think?

i think such idea of app market on the W8 is for the tablet, that is ok though, as long as they figure out away to port win32 software to run on apps, i would be the first one to get in line to get the tablet, other than that, i am good with my asus transformer

Strike_Eagle said:
Anyone here is watching CES 2012 on facebook?
Right now that lady is demo-ing the Windows 8 Tablet, i like the original idea about Windows 8 is bringing Metro UI to Desktop, but i think the marketplace / apps for Desktop is something stupid to me.
I think Microsoft has gone too far and almost completely forgotten about PC hardcore User. Ebay apps when we have IE/Firefox/Chrome for Ebay.com?
Maybe i am wrong over here, because until now i have no clue about the idea behind Marketplace for PC.
What do you guys think?
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For tablets, maybe netbooks with a little screen, its a good OS. But... on a 24 inch Monitor? Serious, I tested the preview and in Metro the handling with mouse and keyboards sucks! It even interrups the productivity flow in the "desktop app". If I am on the classic desktop and want to open a programm from the start menu: Why do I have to go back to the start screen and type.
This is so unintuitive and doesn't suit to the desktop design at all...

the thing is, Microsoft has focus more on the Tablet than our - PC user.
You can see almost everything on the Keynote of Steve on CES 2012 (which has just ended ) is focus on the mobility of the technology nowday.
Tablet with ARM/ x64 / x86 , nVIDIA Tegra are all cool. But hand down, they didn't notice anything about the original idea of PC , yes, when i mean the mouse and the keyboard.
The idea behind Marketplace for Windows 8 PC is something still new. And i hope, the marketplace is like a place where we can search all kind of applications for PC around the web without having google/bing it around.
Don't get me wrong , i am a Microsoft fan and i own a Windows Phone.

Strike_Eagle said:
The idea behind Marketplace for Windows 8 PC is something still new. And i hope, the marketplace is like a place where we can search all kind of applications for PC around the web without having google/bing it around.
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Thats the point! The marketplace is just for Metro apps and I don't understand why I should use an app if I have a internetbrowser (ebay, etc). The apps are optimized for small screens so it's just annoying to swipe with your mouse or use some strange shortcuts to show up the menu bar if you have enough space to display everything you need.

The link for whoever missed the keynote:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/events/ces/liveevent.aspx
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Yes. The thing is, there is no point from moving to use an app to control the web-based service like Ebay or Amazon. I mean, if you have a touch screen, you would love to do that because i know that typing on the touch screen is such pain in the ass.
But with PC is different, a mouse and keyboard are far more advanced than a touch screen. We have been using our browser to do most stuffs, we don't need an app to do that. For example, i can have IE9 , and i can do most stuffs from betting on Ebay to buying stuffs on Amazon without having anything extra installed except for some flash plug-ins. So why choosing install many different apps and make your PC slower while you can get everything just by a click of a mouse on the icon of the browser?
Many people would say to me that if i don't like it then don't use it, but that isn't a point. It is fine that Microsoft try to make a buck over tablets , but they seem to be forgetting about PC user like us, i hear nothing about the original PC in the keynote except some new Laptops and Intel's new path for the future. That's why i am little bit disappointed.

CES is all about what is cool and hip today. Right now that is mobile devices so MS's CES pitch focuses on Windows 8. MS is leaving CES after this year so they can focus on getting the message they want out without having to follow the hot theme and control better the presentation of their message. You can expect that message to be heavily based around HTML 5 and web based apps to the detriment of those that develop windows apps.

I'm new to Windows 8 in general so be gentle...
(These are meant as general comments, not picking on you Strike_Eagle, you were just the last post I read.)
Strike_Eagle said:
The link for whoever missed the keynote:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/events/ces/liveevent.aspx
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Thanks for that, watching now!
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Yes. The thing is, there is no point from moving to use an app to control the web-based service like Ebay or Amazon.
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Agree completely here. I don't even use those types of apps on my Xoom, if its a browser based service or app, I just use the Xooms browser. It's a real browser, no need for an app.
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But with PC is different, a mouse and keyboard are far more advanced than a touch screen.
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I disagree a bit here, the way a touch screen is used is different than that of a mouse, it shouldn't be seen as a replacement for a mouse. Multi touch functions and gestures are what touch screen input excels at. However, emulating simple mouse input, navigating the screen or cursor, etc.. eh, not so much. I added a BT mouse to my Xoom and many things are MUCH faster using it rather than touching the screen, but some things are easier and faster using the touch screen.
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It is fine that Microsoft try to make a buck over tablets , but they seem to be forgetting about PC user like us <snip>.
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I see this as much more than MS looking to make a buck on tablets. As power of mobile devices increases, as "cloud" (I hate that term) storage becomes more prevalent, its going to be very important to have a seamless experience across devices. For example, I use Google Music and Chrome. No matter what device I'm on, Xoom, desktop, laptop, all of my playlists and bookmarks are the same. This is where I think MS is going with Windows 8, they're looking to have their OS be everywhere and work the same (or similar) no matter what device you're on. Or at least be flexible enough to do that.

FuturePrimitive said:
I disagree a bit here, the way a touch screen is used is different than that of a mouse, it shouldn't be seen as a replacement for a mouse. Multi touch functions and gestures are what touch screen input excels at. However, emulating simple mouse input, navigating the screen or cursor, etc.. eh, not so much. I added a BT mouse to my Xoom and many things are MUCH faster using it rather than touching the screen, but some things are easier and faster using the touch screen.
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lol no.
With multitouch you can zoom, rotate, roll and that's it, with a precision that is useless for most task but browser internet and catalog some photos.
For example, let's say that we have a picture of 2000x1500 and we want to select a square of 256x256... with multitouch you can't do that.
In fact, clicking a single link can become a tedious work of zoom then click.

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(These are meant as general comments, not picking on you Strike_Eagle, you were just the last post I read.).
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Oh, don't need to worry about it, it is cool. Forum is a place for discussion, right?
FuturePrimitive said:
I disagree a bit here, the way a touch screen is used is different than that of a mouse, it shouldn't be seen as a replacement for a mouse. Multi touch functions and gestures are what touch screen input excels at. However, emulating simple mouse input, navigating the screen or cursor, etc.. eh, not so much. I added a BT mouse to my Xoom and many things are MUCH faster using it rather than touching the screen, but some things are easier and faster using the touch screen.
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Yea, i got your point man. Everything has its own advantage. Something which is so great to use the multi-touch. I never say that the multitouch would be a replacement for the mouse anytime soon. But my point, was like, Something which is designed for Multi-Touch might not be a great deal for mouse and keyboard.
the word "advanced" here , i mean , you can do more stuffs with a keyboard than a touch-screen, or the keyboard and mouse give you more advantages than the touch-screen give you. Don't get me wrong man, if you do photoshop , you would know that you can do stuffs with the picture by mouse and press the short cut on the keyboard for special effect at the sametime, which is can't be done by multi-touch, Because Multi-Touch is like a combination of mouse and keyboard , for the benifit of portable device.
But with Multi-Touch , you can also do stuffs that you would not ever archieve with a mouse. Well, you know what i mean, like drawing. But the limitation of technology nowday can't take that advantage *yet*. the screen is not that sensitive enough to make a perfect drawing like with Pencil and paper.
This agrument seem to be valid, keep it up man. , i don't hate multi-touch device, because i have myself a HTC Titan and probably a Windows 8 Tablet soon.

ok, you are a hardcore user, then just keep using the desktop. why are you mad that other people will get to use metro.
Tablets and apps are popular nowadays,so you cant ignore it. That is why windows 8 integrated metro. If you dont like it,you dont have to use it. Windows 8 desktop is bringing a bunch of new features as well. The OS is leaner and faster,and more secure.

Now i realized that we forgot about Kinect for PC... Are they trying to have us buy the kinect to use it for the metro UI on PC?

Strike_Eagle said:
Anyone here is watching CES 2012 on facebook?
Right now that lady is demo-ing the Windows 8 Tablet, i like the original idea about Windows 8 is bringing Metro UI to Desktop, but i think the marketplace / apps for Desktop is something stupid to me.
I think Microsoft has gone too far and almost completely forgotten about PC hardcore User. Ebay apps when we have IE/Firefox/Chrome for Ebay.com?
Maybe i am wrong over here, because until now i have no clue about the idea behind Marketplace for PC.
What do you guys think?
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I FULLY AGREE WITH YOU!
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Isn't the idea of Marketplace that it will have all types of Apps and full applications like Photoshop, office etc? Similar to the Mac App Store?

Hopefully this doesn't have much effect on the gaming industry, mainly shooters. First, they were dumb'd down for consoles, now they could be severely dumb'd down for Tablets. I shudder at the thought.

There will probably be plenty of crossovers from other touch platforms (iOS, Android), but it shouldn't affect the *real* games.

Blacklac said:
Hopefully this doesn't have much effect on the gaming industry, mainly shooters. First, they were dumb'd down for consoles, now they could be severely dumb'd down for Tablets. I shudder at the thought.
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Microsoft has something called " Windows PC Game Marketplace" *if i am not wrong* already.
I have heard about it, i have seen it (Operation Flashpoint : Red River) but i never used it. Valve's Steam is the solution most people looking for. Even Origin can't compare to Steam.

Strike_Eagle said:
Microsoft has something called " Windows PC Game Marketplace" *if i am not wrong* already.
I have heard about it, i have seen it (Operation Flashpoint : Red River) but i never used it. Valve's Steam is the solution most people looking for. Even Origin can't compare to Steam.
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"Games for Windows Live" I think is what you're referring to.

x ZackehSoul x said:
"Games for Windows Live" I think is what you're referring to.
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Yes, thanks for pointing that out.

I wonder if XNA games will play a large role in the Windows App store?

Windows RT wont succeed [WP8 in disguise]

Windows RT[WP8 in disguise] wont succeed
Microsoft remove the desktop from it intentionally
so it wont compete the PC market and Intel ofc
so what we getting is just Windows Phone 8 OS Like
ARM is strong enuf to replace PC
many interests to keep ARM in this state
i hate close code always block the future
Microsoft thinks we are wanting her "marketing" os
no, we want windows!

Microsoft is moving towards a more power friendly and more manageable application model in WinRT (the framework). Of course they don't want their tablets to run non-power-optimized code and therefore only support Metro-Style-Applications.
Given that even newest Quad-Core-ARM chips only compete in computational power with Intel's slow Atom CPUs I highly doubt that most of the interesting Desktop applications would work properly.
So even if I'm doubtful if Windows RT will succeed in the tablet market (depends on which devices will be there and how quickly developers create good Metro Apps) I don't think that it will fail because they almost removed the Desktop.

i mean there no reason to choose windows RT before android or iOS
cos Windows RT is Stripped version of Windows 8
and doesn't give us something more then WP7
what the point if there keyboard and mouse for tablet with windows RT

Thread title sounds like a caveman.

agreed have suggestion ?

Proz00 said:
what the point if there keyboard and mouse for tablet with windows RT
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Office perhaps? Which is actually onboard with every Windows RT device.
Also nothing technically speaks against mouse/pen optimized Apps on basis of Metro Apps (Image editing, etc. - the mouse is simply more exact than a finger).
Aside from that a keyboard makes quite a lot of sense whenever you're typing a longer text (E-Mail, forum post, etc.)
As for a topic title: "Windows RT won't succeed" would be the closest to the current.

Office application in metro style ?
no way
thx for fix

Proz00 said:
Office application in metro style ?
no way
thx for fix
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In Windows RT on ARM tablets will be a complete Office 2013 with Word, Excel, Powerpoint and OneNote.
They are not built as a Metro Style App (fullscreen metro app)! They are just the same as on x86 and are running in desktop mode. So every Windows RT tablet will have the same office experience as a tablet or notebook running Windows 8 (Pro).

Proz00 said:
Microsoft remove the desktop from it intentionally
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Nope, they don't.
Win32 applications won't run because... they can't.
But the traditional desktop and files explorer will be there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQe11XKkJlY#t=1m55s

jerome snail said:
Nope, they don't.
Win32 applications won't run because... they can't.
But the traditional desktop and files explorer will be there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQe11XKkJlY#t=1m55s
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Windows RT will come loaded with Office 2013 RT
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/06/arm-powered-windows-rt-to-run-office-2013-rt/

http://arstechnica.com/information-...hots-show-elegant-fusion-of-ribbon-and-metro/
however its looking good
i think metro will cap generally the OS potential
like IE10 metro version, have very little options .....

I guess it's far less Metro-Design that limits the options and functionality than the fact that those applications have been in development for far less time than their Desktop counter parts.
You won't see the control density you have on the Desktop now, simply because hit boxes would be too small which would make the apps fail certification for the Marketplace but aside from that I see pretty little functionality you could not create using WinRT as the basis.
I'm still really curious how many apps and what apps will be available when Windows 8 and Windows RT finally launch.

RT will certainly be interesting - Microsoft blocking non appstore applications could make it a somewhat limited device.
Still, may be a huge success. Only time will tell
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RT will certainly be interesting - Microsoft blocking non appstore applications could make it a somewhat limited device.
Still, may be a huge success. Only time will tell
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but doesnt it support different "app stores"
so for example, an ideal setup would be to have your own company hub, which contains all needed local tools, these can be push updated and centrally managed across all win 8 sites,
So if thats possible i dont see why we couldnt do the same, much like we have custom app stores for Windows phone. unless is some kind of server side domain add on...that would suck!
as you say, time will tell but if it is locked down and the security is similar to Windows Phone 7, then its going to be a pain in the arse to crack open, say what you want about WP but its tighter than a ducks arse! were it not for OEM cockups we'd have no development at all!

[Q] Questions by a new to Windows 8 user

These questions are regarding my Toshiba Satellite P845t-S4305 I just purchased a few days ago and absolutely love both the laptop and windows 8. I have a few questions and greatly appreciate any help anyone can provide me. I have searched to the best of my abilities and have found all other answers I needed these are what I could not find answers to.
1. Any time that I try to install Microsoft Office I am unsuccessful. I have tried both the trial for Office 365 premium and purchasing the monthly subscription for 9.99. I have an .exe file to install but when I run the program I get a UAC prompt asking me to allow the program to run. I hit yes it disappears and nothing happens. I have tried both 32bit and 64bit versions and I have tried right clicking and run as admin. I have been able to install 7-zip and chrome both of which were .exe files as well.
2. Sometime the mouse behaves weird. I am referring to the touchpad not an actual mouse itis kind of twitchy almost as though someone has connected remotely to the computer and we are both trying to control it at once but this is not the case and it is only occassionally not all the time.
3. What are the limitations to running an app in metro rather than desktop mode for example Chrome I can either run in desktop mode or relaunch in metro what if any limitations do either mode have?
4. Is there a way to get touchpad multitouch gestures similar to a Macbook such as two finger swipe to go back or forward in web browsers or four finger swipe down to open the app switcher? Pinch to zoom using either the touch screen or touchpad would also be convenient.
Thank you all so much for your time reading this I know it is a little detailed.
XDA has always saved me in the past I have no doubt you all will come through once again.
Thank you once more for good measure

The only one of those that's really about Win8 is the Metro vs. Desktop question... The truth is, unless an app is sideloaded or installed from the store, it's not really Metro. Software (including Chrome) can look and feel like Metro, but that's not the same. As for the tradeoffs, Metro apps update through the store (they can't update themselves), run in an extremely restrictive sandbox (can't even read most of the filesystem), have extremely limited multitasking (they can be snapped to the side of the screen, and if expressly written to can run in the background, but that's pretty much it), can sync state across Windows machines with the same account (without using their own syncing code), use the Settings charm for controlling options and permissions, and respond to gestures.
1: No idea what the problem is. Watch Task Manager as you begin the install; check what happens after consent.exe (the UAC prompt) goes away. Also, obviously, reboot (if you haven't already) and also make sure your Windows is up to date.
2: Hardware or driver (hardware-sepcific) problem. I can't help you, ask the manufacturer.
3: Answered above.
4: Yes, use a decent touchpad and/or driver for it. My 4 year old HP laptop supports multi-touch even in Win7.

erasmogjr said:
These questions are regarding my Toshiba Satellite P845t-S4305 I just purchased a few days ago and absolutely love both the laptop and windows 8. I have a few questions and greatly appreciate any help anyone can provide me. I have searched to the best of my abilities and have found all other answers I needed these are what I could not find answers to.
1. Any time that I try to install Microsoft Office I am unsuccessful. I have tried both the trial for Office 365 premium and purchasing the monthly subscription for 9.99. I have an .exe file to install but when I run the program I get a UAC prompt asking me to allow the program to run. I hit yes it disappears and nothing happens. I have tried both 32bit and 64bit versions and I have tried right clicking and run as admin. I have been able to install 7-zip and chrome both of which were .exe files as well.
2. Sometime the mouse behaves weird. I am referring to the touchpad not an actual mouse itis kind of twitchy almost as though someone has connected remotely to the computer and we are both trying to control it at once but this is not the case and it is only occassionally not all the time.
3. What are the limitations to running an app in metro rather than desktop mode for example Chrome I can either run in desktop mode or relaunch in metro what if any limitations do either mode have?
4. Is there a way to get touchpad multitouch gestures similar to a Macbook such as two finger swipe to go back or forward in web browsers or four finger swipe down to open the app switcher? Pinch to zoom using either the touch screen or touchpad would also be convenient.
Thank you all so much for your time reading this I know it is a little detailed.
XDA has always saved me in the past I have no doubt you all will come through once again.
Thank you once more for good measure
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1. Check add/remove as Toshiba may have installed a "trial" version or Starter edition. You should remove any previous versions of office installed by Toshiba, doubtful they are full and sounds like you have your own you prefer.
2. Try updated drivers, I've found the Toshiba touchpad to be very finicky and harder to control vs other's though. I have used it on Portege R930 and Z930 and I can't say I really like the experience compared with other's like HP or Dell.
4. Try the utility for the touchpad.

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1. Check add/remove as Toshiba may have installed a "trial" version or Starter edition. You should remove any previous versions of office installed by Toshiba, doubtful they are full and sounds like you have your own you prefer.
2. Try updated drivers, I've found the Toshiba touchpad to be very finicky and harder to control vs other's though. I have used it on Portege R930 and Z930 and I can't say I really like the experience compared with other's like HP or Dell.
4. Try the utility for the touchpad.
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1. worked perfectly there was a trial version of office installed as soon as I removed it everything went as it should and I now have my office installed thank you so much
2. coming from a macbook left me with high expectations for the touchpad but the touch screen really makes up for that. I always thought the macbook would be perfect with a touchscreen.
4.I will have to look this up thank you