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Please , please can anyone tell me if it is possible to remove the crap $icrosoft Bluetooth drivers and on my SPV M500 and install better ones. As they are so crap and have taken out alot of function.
Please tell me there is a way
Thanks
Brian
What do you want??? I'm using that same MS stack on my S110 and I cannot say I miss anything compared to Widcomm on my old iPAQ, everything I need (ActiveSync, OBEX, SerialPort) can be done via BT. What are you missing???
Besindes you can install another stack like the Toshiba one or one from Bluesoleil and disable the MS one (cannot be uninstalled because it is in ROM).
Magican with 64MB RAM cant run Widcom but maybe the 128MB ones like the S110 can, but I'm not brave enough to test it. Despite I've no idea where to get the Widcom stack for PPC.
one of the most important things is my car kit requires me to activate the serial port on port 5, but My IPAQ in the bluetooth i click on the carkit port and select connect, and works fine, but i do not have that fuction with my Orange M500, until i can connect the port it will not work so thats why i need other bluetooth software that has this fuction. it seems like $icrosoft is the onlt bluetooth stact that does not have this fuction, and they have cut it down
Hope you understand that
Well I use my Holux 236 GPS on Port5 using SPP (SerialPortProfile) so the functionality is in the MS stack for sure.
Sorry and by the way, where can i get the Toshiba one or one from Bluesoleil bluetooth stack drivers and how do i disable the $icrosoft ones
Thanks again
Brian
Yes, but it does not have the manual connect fuction like other bluetooth statcks do, and i can not connect to the carkit without it. my other device have that fuction and works well, just not my M500
Brian
You can get the bluesoleil one here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=18537&highlight=bluesoleil
The Toshiba one can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=15604&highlight=toshiba
Important: Both stacks are not perfect. The bluesoleil is limited because the Magician is not a device it is registered on and because of that it has a 5MB data trasfer limit before you need to start it again (like a trial). The Toshiba one is really good but unstable at times.
You best bet is prolly the Bluesoleil one and the "trial" limitation can be removed, see here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=24801&highlight=bluesoleil
Instructions are avail in those two threads too. Could you let me know how it goes, I'm thinking of using another stack too.
Using a GPS mouse should work without problems. I guess you're doing something wrong. The MS stack establishes the serial port connection automatically once an application tries to use that port. I don't know how it works, but the stack can separate between a connection through the serial profile using Active Sync and a connection using a navigation software to the GPS mouse. For me, it works with no problem. I can use ActiveSync and afterwards go into my car, switch on TomTom and it connects to my bluetooth GPS mouse automatically.
I guess it also has to do how the corresponding navigation software deals with the BT stack. Therefore you should try another software and see if it works better.
It's basically true, that you can do almost everything with the crippled MS stack aswell. Even browsing the net through ActiveSync, even though it has no PAN profile. What it really lacks is the A2DP profile. I think WM5 also features HID, for keyboards, mouses and stuff.
i do not have any problem with any other bluetooth device, it just my CK3500 karkit requires you to do a manual connect, and the MS stack does not have that function.
And thanks to Private-Cowboy, will try this and post update
Thanks again
brian colston said:
i do not have any problem with any other bluetooth device, it just my CK3500 karkit requires you to do a manual connect, and the MS stack does not have that function.
And thanks to Private-Cowboy, will try this and post update
Thanks again
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Then really it's the car kit that's at fault. :?
TheBrit, looks like you was correct, problem with the carkit
Thanks
Brian
Dandie said:
Using a GPS mouse should work without problems. I guess you're doing something wrong...
...It's basically true, that you can do almost everything with the crippled MS stack aswell. Even browsing the net through ActiveSync, even though it has no PAN profile. What it really lacks is the A2DP profile. I think WM5 also features HID, for keyboards, mouses and stuff.
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I'm afraid I not fully agree with you...
In my case (I have a MDA Compact) for my bluetooth GPS mouse to work properly within TomTom 5, I need to bond the GPS mouse with COM5. And that means that I cannot connect simultaniously to an external GSM (for TomTom Traffic via GPRS).
Why an external phone on my MDA Compact? On the MDA I have my work provider and on an external phone I have my private provider with GPRS (a bit difficult I know).
As said to two functions together doesn't work with the MS stack because of the bonding of the GPS mouse on COM5.
Except...
Except when I install an old version of Bluetooth Tools!!! With Bluetooth tools I can bond my GPS mouse to a virtual COM port, which TomTom 5 recognizes! And now I can also use my external GPRS phone!
OK, I can have 2 connection through my MS stack. as i do it
i bound com 5 to my portable Slim GPS until and run tomtom 5.10 in my car, and that works fine, then on my car kit i click connect to paired device and it then connect fine,(so i have a com 5 connection to my GPS and a connection to my hands free car kit). all through my Orange SPV 500 at once
This work great,
But i wanted to use the car kit for handfree and GPS, but as my gps does not work on my car kit i am stuck with my portable Slim GPS unit for now
Brian
brian colston said:
OK, I can have 2 connection through my MS stack. as i do it
i bound com 5 to my portable Slim GPS until and run tomtom 5.10 in my car, and that works fine, then on my car kit i click connect to paired device and it then connect fine,(so i have a com 5 connection to my GPS and a connection to my hands free car kit). all through my Orange SPV 500 at once
This work great,
But i wanted to use the car kit for handfree and GPS, but as my gps does not work on my car kit i am stuck with my portable Slim GPS unit for now
Brian
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Yes, it works with a handsfree carkit. But it doesn't with an external phone, maybe because the phone is a 2-way connection? Try it and you'll see it doesn't!
Ok sorry about that
Brian
I have TomTom software installed on my Atom, I've tried using a Polstar Bluetooth GPS unit to see if that would work but it fails to read the correct Comm port on the atom.
Does anyone know if this is compatible with the Atom, or of any other GPS devices (bluetooth or cabled) that would work?
Hi there
i am working with GPSlim236 from HOLUX and it very good and easy to install.
cool, thanks.
What's the battery use like if in use? The problem is that the lighter socket in my car is 'dodgy' to say the least, so the longer the life before i have to charge the better
(hmm...I predict being guided somewhere, losing battery life on GPS, and getting lost....SatNav at its finest.......)
The BT-77 (Nemerix chipset) from e-bay also works really well, especially considering the price. I have used this in Australia, UK and the US and have had no problems pairing it with the Atom.
Battery life is also good, as I've used it for a whole day with no sign of running out.
sometimes to connect GPS device, you need to create new OUTGOING port, and pareing the device
Thanks jeremy_elman, I will investigate.
Kropotov, I can get it to pair ok, and I have tried setting outgoing ports. The problem is that it won't allow me to set the outgoing port to the correct COM port that I need for the GPS. It comes up with an error.
I checked up on this from Polstar and they said to adjust registry settings. But even this doesn't work and they couldn't give me any information with regards to compatability. But I know the Polstar one I had works as it was working on an iPAQ 6340, installing it as a cable GPS device and setting the baud rate. The outgoing com ports on bluetooth could be set to the relevant ones for the device, and pairing was straight-forward.
Problem with GPS Reciver on Atom XDA with Tomtom
Hello, i've installed Tomtom 5.21 and the maps and everything is Ok. but i can't make the link between my gps reciver (Royaltek Star III) and the atom XDA. I've installed the partnership in the settings but it doesn't connect with the antenna. I've seen in my other pda (ipaq hx4700 and ipaq hx2790) that there is a bluetooth manager in the connection setting but there is non in the atom XDA. Do you know what's the solution ?
I've the same problem than you for the outgoing ports, i can't choose the one i want and i can't find the good port in tomtom gps settings.
Thanks
kropotov said:
sometimes to connect GPS device, you need to create new OUTGOING port, and pareing the device
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same with u, kropotov. i use garmin gps10 with ATOM EXEC. work well and smooth.
dlawson5
it's very strange... i have all com ports free, and can choose all, include 8, that tomtom need. Do you have other bluetooth devices, pared with Atom?
I'm using a Garmin GPS10. To get around similar com port issues i install Franson's GPSGATE. A downloadable trial is available to try before you buy. The two advantages of this software solution is that you can nominate virtual com ports meaning you determoine the com port for the TomTom software and secondly you can use more than one GPS software package simultaneously. I run both Garmin Que (navigation) and OziExlorer (topographic and mapping) at the same time. You can't do this without GPSGate. Many bluetooth GPS devices drop their connections regularly. I find that GPSGate holds the connection better and reconnects quickly if it does drop. I highly recommend you try this before chasing around for different GPS devices.
John
Atom with BT GPS
I am using the Atom with the Holux GPSlim236 and it works like a charm.
Rated GPS battery life is 10Hrs and it uses the nokia 6xxx handphone battery so easy to charge and/or replace when battery gets old.
I had some problems using it initially 'cos built right into the Atom is a GPS management software that manages GPS connections apparently so that you can run more than one GPS application in the Atom and all the applications can share the GPS data. However I find that turning this on tends to lockup the GPS application (MapKing) and sometimes causes lost connections. TURN THIS OFF. Besides, I don't see myself using more than one GPS application (but that may change ! looking for a good track logging software - anyone knows one ?).
The other thing I noticed which makes the connection more reliable is to turn off the secure serial communication.
With those two settings off, works like a charm and no more problems !
O2 Atom with Holux GPSlim236 Bluetooth GPSr
Hi,
Not sure if this helps but I am able to get my Atom to work with my Holux BT GPSr using Garmin Que.
Here's the link to how I set it up : http://www.malsingmaps.com/forum/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=41060#41060
So far, it rocks!
O2 Atom with Holux GPSlim236 Bluetooth GPSr
Hi,
Not sure if this helps but I am able to get my Atom to work with my Holux BT GPSr using Garmin Que.
Here's the link to how I set it up : http://www.malsingmaps.com/forum/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=41060#41060
So far, it rocks!
I've been having a discussion with TomTom support over the last few days regarding a problem with getting my Mini S to talk to a BT GPS Receiver and a BT HF kit at the same time. Tomtom have basically told me this won't work and that whilst Tomtom is installed - not even running, the phone will not work with a BT HF device....!!!! :?
Anybody else experience this? Are Tomtom saying that their software basically renders the phone useless with handsfree??? :shock:
I've included the conversation from Tomtom below :-
Note the entries are in reverse order.
Response 06/07/2006 01.34 PM
Dear Mr. Kirby,
Since your PDA does not have any physical serial interface, a wired GPS-receiver (which runs through a serial interface) will unfortunately not be possible.
To further clarify our statement, your PDA seems to have difficulties sharing the same BT connection port and/or profile between multiple devices or services. This has nothing to do with our software, this is hard-coded into the operating system and hardware your PDA runs on. The binding of a BT serial port is a PDA function, not a software function.
We sympathise with your situation, but as we are not the manufacturers of your PDA or your carkit, there is very little we can do to assist you.
Kind regards,
The TomTom Customer Support Team
Customer 05/07/2006 10.01 PM
Does this mean that if I use a wired GPS receiver then this will work? Or, are you telling me that once I install the Tomtom software on a PDA phone that I will loose the ability to use any other Bluetooth devices until the Tomtom software is removed? If this is the case then I can hardly see how you can claim compatability with the XDA series of devices, at least without notifying potential customers that they will loose all handsfree functionality via Bluetooth once you install the software?
Response 05/07/2006 02.12 PM
Dear Mr. Kirby,
Our earlier correspondence was unfortunately not entirely clear. What we mean is that there is an internal conflict between our software, which is bound to the PDA Bluetooth Serial Port by the PDA hardware and underlying Windows OS), and your BT Carkit, which attempts to pre-empt the BT Serial Connection bond. This bond is enforced whether or not the program is actually active, and the ability to share a bound serial port concurrently is something that is enforced by your operating system.
This is unfortunately not something we can do anything about, since this is both hardware- and Windows-based (in the sense that multiple programs cannot access the same serial port concurrently), and also because we cannot provide technical support for a problem that is outside the purview of our software.
Kind regards,
The TomTom Customer Support Team
Customer 04/07/2006 10.10 PM
Your answer makes the assumption that the problem only occurs when the Tomtom software is running. This is not the case. Before Tomtom was installed on the device it would connect to the carkit and work correctly. Following the installation of Tomtom it will no longer remain connected for more than 15-20 seconds, regardless of whether Tomtom is running or not. If Tomtom is running and communicating with the BT GPS receiver it does still not function correctly with the carkit, however, if the Traffic function is activated then it will maintain a connection.
I therefore suggest that your previous explaination is not accurate - I could possibly accept an issue with Tomtom running and it then disconnecting from the carkit however, even with the BT GPS receiver removed from the paired devices and switched off it will still not remain connected.
Response 04/07/2006 01.29 PM
Dear Mr. Kirby,
Since we do not support the usage of third-party carkits (Bluetooth or wired/serial), we are only able to offer a technical theory as to your problem.
As your carkit is connected with a (virtual) Bluetooth serial connection, there is most likely an internal conflict with regards to the serial connection. PDA's support multiple Bluetooth profiles (methods of connecting), but typically bind the serial port to one device. Seeing this, the most likely culprit is the fact that the PDA keeps on switching focus between the two devices that use the serial port: Your BT GPS-receiver and the BT Carkit. When Navigator 5 is running, it pre-empts the serial port connection for the GPS-receiver, which forces the connection to stabilise.
Though we cannot offer you a solution to your problem, please try changing the settings of your BT Serial connection (removing the Authentication and Encryption options).
Kind regards,
The TomTom Customer Support Team
Response 03/07/2006 08.25 PM
Dear Mr Kirkby,
The incident you reported is escalated to our 2nd Line Support Technicians for further research. We will notify you immediately when they have resolved the incident.
Thank you very much for your understanding.
Kind Regards,
The TomTom Customer Support Team
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Customer 02/07/2006 11.25 PM
GPS Driver 1.2, MAP Great_britain_Plus-Map v571, English UK
Windows Mobile V5.0 OS 5.1.195 (Build 14847.2.0.0)
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I have recently upgraded from a O2 XDA II to an O2 XDA Mini S. The product has been working perfectly for a number of days with my Vauxhall(Opel) Vectra Bluetooth car kit. The phone will pair with the unit, the contacts are downloaded etc and the phone will remain paired and make/receive calls via the bluetooth unit until switched off.
Yesterday I installed TOMTOM (Details above) onto the main memory and the GB maps onto the storage cards. The software was activated and my Plus subscription reset for the new device.
TomTom works OK on the device and the traffic information is updated as expected. With TOMTOM running, a route active and traffic information active the phone will maintain a connection with the bluetooth car kit. However, if a route is not active and therefore the traffic information is not active, the phone will connect to the bluetooth carkit and then disconnect after around 15-20 seconds. If the carkit is forced to reconnect it will but once again it will disconnect after 15-20 seconds.
If tomtom is not running, when I go to the phone dialer screen, when I force the phone to connect the headset icon is visible again for 15-20 seconds but then disappears when the phone disconnects from the carkit.
Presently the only way I can keep the phone connected to the carkit is to ensure that tomtom is active with a route and traffic updates switched on.
As stated previously this behaviour only started when tomtom was loaded on the XDA Mini S. Presently there is no way to keep the phone connected via bluetooth unless tomtom is running as above. I am using a Mk I Tomtom bluetooth GPRS receiver.
Tomtom was patched using the updated software as downloaded last week.
I have tried various combinations of resets/ re-pair/ delete device etc on both the carkit and phone. The problem still remains.
Strange, I am using TOMTOM and a Samsung HF kit and it works fine. Automatically cutting the sound from TOMTOM when I make and receive a call and then turning it back on when the phone is not in use.
The only, very minor, glitch is that on call termination there is a maybe 2 second loss of satellite signal.
I am using the Qtek Rom BTW, and the latest TOMTOM GPS drivers.
IIRC you ned to be using 5.21 versions of TOMTOM and drivers.
I have to say, I understand what TomTom are trying to say and agree. Because you've got the COM port set up in Windows, it doesn't matter if TomTom is open or not. I guess you could try deleteing the COM port in the Bluetooth settings and seeing if that solves the problem; then you will really know if it's a Windows problem. It's interesting that trevor.austin's car kit works fine; again seeming to point towards the fact your car kit has some problems with the way Windows handles having a com port set up.
How would I delete the com port? Do you know if there are any cabled GPS receivers about for the XDA Mini S - I guess then I would only be using bluetooth for the car kit?
Hi akirkby,
I also have a BT Carkit. I have the Parrot CK 3100.
I paired BT Carkit and the Emtac BT GPS.
With the BT GPS i need to assign the ports. With the carkit i didn't needed.
He recognized the carkit as a headset.
I think TomTom is right and i think the problem is in the Carkit
When i start TomTom, bluetooth also start automatic and then he nicely connect to mine BT Carkit. And when i shutdown TomTom he also disconnect.
What carkit do you have?
Did you check the IR module? If "allow incoming beams" is on?
You sometimes get some trouble when it on.
When i installed TomTom for a friend that was the problem.
When it was on it wouldn't connect to the wired GPS.
Maybe you should also check the site of your BT Carkit is there is a software update.
The Parrot CK3100 has software to flash your carkit over bluetooth.
Maybe your carkit support that als well.
Can you tell me what carkit you have?
akirkby said:
How would I delete the com port? Do you know if there are any cabled GPS receivers about for the XDA Mini S - I guess then I would only be using bluetooth for the car kit?
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No, unfortunately there are not any wired GPS recievers compatible with the Mini S... That I know of.
Delete the COM port to test by going to Comm Manager -> Settings (Right hotkey) -> Bluetooth Settings -> COM Ports -> tap and hold your GPS COM Port -> Delete.
There does not appear to be a COM port in the list. Under Bluetooth ports all I have are "New Outgoing Port" and "New Incoming Port" - nothing else?
Try setting outgoing port 6 to BT GPS and then tell TomTom to use port 6, make sure that your TomTom is 5.21.
akirkby said:
There does not appear to be a COM port in the list. Under Bluetooth ports all I have are "New Outgoing Port" and "New Incoming Port" - nothing else?
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That's interesting. What GPS are you using?
Its the Tomtom GPS unit - not the latest one, about two years old.
TomTom
If you have "New Outgoing Port" - then create one - try tapping and holding - you should have the options..... it will probably create an outgoing com port on Com6..
You are probably only missing this step..
Also, check that the name you have for your GPS actually ends in "GPS"
Charlie Grillo
[email protected] - the carkit is a factory fit option supplied by Vauxhall - I can't find much info about it on the web :-(
I've added a new outgoing com port - it did suggest com 6. I'll try this and let you know what happens.
Ah that makes sense. When you have a standard TomTom GPS, it doesn't need a COM port, I think TomTom does that for you... which is probably the problem. If you pair the GPS and the phone, create the COM port as you have done, and set TomTom to use the "other bluetooth gps" on the COM Port you set up, it might well work, and not kill your other bluetooth connections.
I paired the BT GPS before Tomtom was started - during pairing it says that the device has a serial port - do you want to use it. I tried saying Yes & No at this point and then adding a new outgoing com port.
Both times it will fail - Tomtom is configured for 'Other' BT receiver on COM 6.
Not sure what to do now.... is this the fault of the Car Kit Manufacturer, XDA or Tomtom? Effectively as soon as Tomtom is loaded on the device then it can no longer be used handsfree...
it should work as use a bt headset and a bt gps all the time with mine and have set up numerous othe miniS's for freinds at work .
have you tried com7 as the outgoing port the handsfree will use a bt profile
it could be a compatiblity issue with the hf car kit as not all bt protocols are the same.
Hello,
paired with a CK3100 parrot and a globalsat GPS works like a charm
Set the outgoing COM7 to the GPS MOUSE!!! and then it works!! dont ask me why!
SO com6 in and com7 out using the GPS mouse bluetooth as the device!!!
Let me know...
Hello,
paired with a CK3100 parrot and a globalsat GPS works like a charm
Set the outgoing COM7 to the GPS MOUSE!!! and then it works!! dont ask me why!
SO com6 in and com7 out using the GPS mouse bluetooth as the device!!!
Let me know...
Tried both com 6 and com 7 as outgoing ports. Port 7 worked until I stopped tomtom - restarted it and then the carkit stopped working again.....
Ok so im looking to get a navigation gps program for my mogul, My question is, since i have the update rom 3.56 with windows mobile 6.1 with gps will i have to purchase a bluetooth reciever to use lets say the garmin mobile xt or copilot live 7 to work?
hmmm still waiting, can anyone help?
No. It should "just work".
With the newest ROM update, I heard they put the drivers to enable GPS so you would not need an external bluetooth GPS Receiver.
I use iGuidance on mine (DCD 3.2.5 rom) and it works great.
Hi there,
I have a Samsung Omnia B7610 with WinMo 6.5, build in Radio & GPS. I also have a ASUS PDA 635, also with GPS & BT.
What I trying to do:
I run Franson GPS Gate and HyperGPS on the Smartphone. HyperGPS ist set to GPS & TMC, it runs fine on the Smartphone together with FREE NAVIGATOR, TMC and GPS works well. I Set the GpsGate on the Smartphone to Bluetoothserver with the Comport from Hypergps and I have already a Bluetooth connection to the PDA, using the serial port. I can successful connect the PDA to the Smartphone via Bluetooth but I do not receive a green Data Status with GpsGate on the PDA.
I did the same connection with a GPSEmulator on the Smartphone and it worked with TomTom on the PDA using the Bluetooth GPS settings. But I like to do the same with TMC via HyperGPS.
Any other connection freaks out there who can give me some hints or tried to do the same?
Thanks,
regards, Gopher.