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another MS bluetooth COM-port hack

Occasionally I've found a site: http://support.dell.com/support/dow...egory=0&os=PPCA&osl=en&deviceid=4351&devlib=8
this update was designed for Dell Axim X5 PPC only, but after installing it on my Imate I've found a "com ports" tab in the Microsoft Bluetooth settings. Can someone test this update, maybe it would be useful for those who have problems with BT GPS? I cannot test it myself yet.

interesting, There is a new dll (BthVCOMMgr.dll) and some reg settings ( HKLM/sofware/microsoft/bluetooth/serial/config) in the CAB.
I did not know the Dell also uses the MS BT stack for its BT extension pack!!!
Might be worthwhile knowing how users of the Dell cope with this BT Stack . . . .

Hey, it works. Great
I tried it with my Fortuna BT Clip-on and TomTom 3 and it worked with
virtual COM-Port 7.
Before I needed the Pocket Bluetooth Tools to get my BT-Mouse work with TomTom.
Greets
Andy
MDA II - ROM 172.01GER - Radio 1.17.00 - ExtROM 1.72.751 - T-Mobile

Would like to know:
WHAT works (especially when 'it' didnt work before)
WHAT is your ROM version?
WHAT is your ROM origin?
Do you use BT with a BT BPS and TomTom3?

anmet said:
Hey, it works. Great
I tried it with my Fortuna BT Clip-on and TomTom 3 and it worked with
virtual COM-Port 7.
Before I needed the Pocket Bluetooth Tools to get my BT-Mouse work with TomTom.
Greets
Andy
MDA II - ROM 172.01GER - Radio 1.17.00 - ExtROM 1.72.751 - T-Mobile
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Hi,
please can you explain me how to configure-use it step by step. I would like to use my TomTom BT receiver with other apps. As you know you can do it normaly, but If I create a virtual com port mybe...please help me, how to do it? Do you think it can solve the problem reletad to BT headset profile too? I mean that will I use BT car kit and BT headset both?
Thanx a lot!
@edsub
File comes into compressed format. To install it, is it enough to extract the file and copy build.PPC2003_ARM.CAB on my Qtek2020, or should I copy build.ini and register.bat files too?
I have native Qtek2020 BT stack and the last ROM 1.72 ITA...will it work?
Thanx again!

To install it, is it enough to extract the file and copy build.PPC2003_ARM.CAB on my Qtek2020
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Yes, that's enough.
You just pair your BT-Device as before, after that you will be asked if you wanna give it a COM-Port. Do that like you see at the Screenshot.
That's it. Wish you success
Greets
Andy

I was trying to to use GPSDash, by setting a virtual com port to TomTom BT receiver...but it's hard to find the right combination between COM port and Baud Rate, working for my Qtek2020 (1.72)
I also have tried to uninstall the BT Dell patch (that seems to fit perfectly to Qtek 2020), and tried to connect GPSDash via COM5...but with no positive results.
So:
1-can someone suggest me a GPS SW to test with BT Dell patch and TomTom BT, easy to configure?
2- do you think I can use BT Dell patch to assign a virtual COM port to my BT CarKit, in order to let it work, beside BT Headst? Which com port usually is assigned to BT headset and which virtual one should I assign to BT car Kit, to test if it will work?
Thanx again!

From what I read here is the only thing different this tool allows you to manually select the BT-assigned COM port. Without this s/w COM4 is selected for inbound and COM5 for outbound . . . .

I've tested it on my 1.72.00WWE
You CAN assign ports.
Only the BSP: ones succeed (looks like all other ports allready exist)
It did not benefit me when using Tom Tom GPS: I was hoping to be able to use the 'Bluetooth GPS' portsetting wich would prevent my MDAII from almost freezing when I start Tom Tom navigator with the GPS out of range (currently GPS uses COM5 which is fine AS LONG AS the GPS is in range and switched on)

Microsoft vs. Widcomm once more

Hi all!
I found a strange problem reguarding bluetooth software conflicts beetween Qtek2020's Microsoft Bluetooth Stack and the Widcomm 1.4.1 (BluetoothGPS.cab) Stack.
It means.
Without the Widcomm Stack installed I am able to syncronize via Bluetooth with ActiveSync (com6).
And I moreover can surf the web trough my Qtek GPRS connection via Bluetooth. And that's perfect.
But.
With the Widcomm Stack installed I am still able to syncronize via Bluetooth with ActiveSync (on com6) but I loose the bluetooth-modem capacity!
I own a Trust180 Bluetooth/USB adapter.
I need the Widcomm Stack only to use my Fortuna Clip-On GPS and I will not need it anymore if I could find the way to use it with Qtek-Microsoft Bluetooth Stack, but I have not found the way to do it yet.
So I think I could only surf the registry to find the answer to let both stacks work together, is it possible?
Did anybody have the same problem?
Did anybody find the answer?
Thanks in advance!
Giuseppe

Hi Giuseppe,
I have the same Fortuna Clip-on GPS receiver and I'm able to use it with the MS BT stack. It bonds and offers the option to set up a serial port. If you accept this, it allocates Com 5 to the GPS. I use Tomtom navigation software and in the software set it up as a NEMA 38400 baud connection using Com 5 - all works fine.
Paul

XDA 2i Widcomm and Fortuna
I'm having the same problem with a fortuna clip on bluetooth gps and an XDA2i--for some reason that build of the widcomm stack (3900) doesn't work, yet earlier versions, such as that shipped with the XDA2s, appear to work fine--does anyone know where to find a version of the widcomm bluetooth stack from broadcom newer than 3900?

paulfanner said:
Hi Giuseppe,
I have the same Fortuna Clip-on GPS receiver and I'm able to use it with the MS BT stack. It bonds and offers the option to set up a serial port. If you accept this, it allocates Com 5 to the GPS. I use Tomtom navigation software and in the software set it up as a NEMA 38400 baud connection using Com 5 - all works fine.
Paul
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Hi Paul,
thanks for your reply, I know my Clip-On should work together with every software for on road navigation...but...I unfortunately need OziExplorer for my off-road navigation and...OziExplorer need a com7 port.
That's all :wink:
I think I'll try Franson's tools: GPSGate & something else as I read here http://www.franson.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17&SearchTerms=qtek,2020
I wouldn't like to hardreset my device again...I lost the number of my hardresets.
Thank you anywhere
Giuseppe

Hi giuseppe,I hate broadcom stack too, after many hresets, i thinks there is no way to solve this and other bugs, like the serial modem bluetooth connection.
The only winning move is to sell our 2020i and buy magician
Bye
Luca

Hi Luca, don't surrender, it can work!
I simply followed this http://franson.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=17&SearchTerms=qtek,2020 .
Now I am able to use my Fortuna GPS and my BT Motorola HS805 at the same time. And morover I am still using my Qtek's BT modem ability.
I payed 30 euros for Franson GPS Gate, but it solved my problems.
I am now trying to let ActiveSync work via Bluetooth because it's the only ability I lost. :?
Bye, thank You for your post,
Don't surrender!
Giuseppe

Bluetooth and GPS problem

Hi all, I bought a Qtek S100 and tried to connect it with my BT GPS receiver (Falcom Navi 1). It didn't work properly and I suddely lost te BT icon on the lower right hand side of the S100. It hasn't re-appeared even after several soft resets?
Does the S100 have the sae BT problems with GPS as the xdaII had?

I use BT GPS and the only problem so far is that I have to re-pair them sometimes.
Try Start->Settings->Connections->Bluetooth to get to the same screen as you would get to by clicking the BT icon.

THanks for the reply. Which BT GPS do you use? and with what Navigation program?

Holux GR-231 and TomTom3.

I am having problem with Bluetooth GPS as well. I have 2, one is iTrek Bluetooth GPS and one is ArcoreTech Bluetooth GPS.
Since I have tried both GPS units, I am pretty sure it's i-Mate JAM's Bluetooth problem.
Instead of upgrading my ROM to 1.06.00 WWE, I should have tried it out with version 1.03 first. I upgraded from 1.03 to 1.06 as soon as my JAM finished charging. BIG MISTAKE!
I ended up usiing "Pocket Bluetooth Tool" to designate COM8 (for example) for my GPS. However, if I happen to soft reset or turn of Bluetooth, I would have to pair it again.
I read many article's on the internet and the problem seems to point to the MS Bluetooth stack (instead of Widcomm used in my i-Mate PDA2K - and by the way PDA2K works perfectly with my GPS units).
Hopefuly i-Mate will address this problem during the next ROM update.

So how come Loboman's holux works ok?
Loboman are you using a different BT stack?

I would like to guess that he uses ROM version 1.03...
Jazzedout said:
So how come Loboman's holux works ok?
Loboman are you using a different BT stack?
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I use 1.06.00. All i do is that I tap on the BT icon, choose 'Devices', tap 'New...' and waits until the phone finds the GPS. Then I add it and pair it with the passkey. Then I had to scan all serial ports using a program that Holux supplies (I bet it works with any BT reciever though) to find out that my port was COM5 and finally I set my programs to use COM5. As I previously stated, I do have to re-pair them sometimes for some reason, but I can live with that.
I previously had an Acore unit which worked ok with my iPAQ 5450 (also MS BT stack) in WM2003. It took me all the way from northern Sweden to Barcelona in Spain last summer
I have not used Pocket Bluetooth Tool, but I have read about it. I think that it works without it so far. I also leave my BT on 24/7 since I don't think that it uses too much battery.
I hope things work out for you.

Absolutley no problems with Rom 1.01.01 Ger and Navilock BT-308 GPS-Mouse

I am not sure if the following has anything to do with Bluetooth but at least it cured my Bluetooth vs. GPS problem, for now.
On Club i-Mate's ROM update page, I found out that if the radio version is 1.10, then I am NOT suppose to apply the camera patch. After I uninstalled it, my JAM seems to work better with Bluetooth GPS units. My biggest problems were:
1. Once I soft reset my JAM, I have to re-pair my GPS units.
2. PrymeNav software took a long time to scan for GPS - and crashes sometimes when I designate already-scanned port.
3. Unable to hold two paired GPS units in Bluetooth Device List (though only used on at a time).
I have played with it after I uninstalled the camera patch and to this morning my GPS units still function well. Another key is to turn on the GPS unit and make sure it is linked (as indicated by its LED) - then turn on the GPS software. That way the hardwares are ensured to be linked.
As a side bonus, now I can perform Bluetooth Activesync on my Mac (via PocketMac software). However, I still require Pocket Bluetooth Tool installed on my JAM.
Weird!

Tomtom BT GPS & BT HF : Official statement, it won't wo

I've been having a discussion with TomTom support over the last few days regarding a problem with getting my Mini S to talk to a BT GPS Receiver and a BT HF kit at the same time. Tomtom have basically told me this won't work and that whilst Tomtom is installed - not even running, the phone will not work with a BT HF device....!!!! :?
Anybody else experience this? Are Tomtom saying that their software basically renders the phone useless with handsfree??? :shock:
I've included the conversation from Tomtom below :-
Note the entries are in reverse order.
Response 06/07/2006 01.34 PM
Dear Mr. Kirby,
Since your PDA does not have any physical serial interface, a wired GPS-receiver (which runs through a serial interface) will unfortunately not be possible.
To further clarify our statement, your PDA seems to have difficulties sharing the same BT connection port and/or profile between multiple devices or services. This has nothing to do with our software, this is hard-coded into the operating system and hardware your PDA runs on. The binding of a BT serial port is a PDA function, not a software function.
We sympathise with your situation, but as we are not the manufacturers of your PDA or your carkit, there is very little we can do to assist you.
Kind regards,
The TomTom Customer Support Team
Customer 05/07/2006 10.01 PM
Does this mean that if I use a wired GPS receiver then this will work? Or, are you telling me that once I install the Tomtom software on a PDA phone that I will loose the ability to use any other Bluetooth devices until the Tomtom software is removed? If this is the case then I can hardly see how you can claim compatability with the XDA series of devices, at least without notifying potential customers that they will loose all handsfree functionality via Bluetooth once you install the software?
Response 05/07/2006 02.12 PM
Dear Mr. Kirby,
Our earlier correspondence was unfortunately not entirely clear. What we mean is that there is an internal conflict between our software, which is bound to the PDA Bluetooth Serial Port by the PDA hardware and underlying Windows OS), and your BT Carkit, which attempts to pre-empt the BT Serial Connection bond. This bond is enforced whether or not the program is actually active, and the ability to share a bound serial port concurrently is something that is enforced by your operating system.
This is unfortunately not something we can do anything about, since this is both hardware- and Windows-based (in the sense that multiple programs cannot access the same serial port concurrently), and also because we cannot provide technical support for a problem that is outside the purview of our software.
Kind regards,
The TomTom Customer Support Team
Customer 04/07/2006 10.10 PM
Your answer makes the assumption that the problem only occurs when the Tomtom software is running. This is not the case. Before Tomtom was installed on the device it would connect to the carkit and work correctly. Following the installation of Tomtom it will no longer remain connected for more than 15-20 seconds, regardless of whether Tomtom is running or not. If Tomtom is running and communicating with the BT GPS receiver it does still not function correctly with the carkit, however, if the Traffic function is activated then it will maintain a connection.
I therefore suggest that your previous explaination is not accurate - I could possibly accept an issue with Tomtom running and it then disconnecting from the carkit however, even with the BT GPS receiver removed from the paired devices and switched off it will still not remain connected.
Response 04/07/2006 01.29 PM
Dear Mr. Kirby,
Since we do not support the usage of third-party carkits (Bluetooth or wired/serial), we are only able to offer a technical theory as to your problem.
As your carkit is connected with a (virtual) Bluetooth serial connection, there is most likely an internal conflict with regards to the serial connection. PDA's support multiple Bluetooth profiles (methods of connecting), but typically bind the serial port to one device. Seeing this, the most likely culprit is the fact that the PDA keeps on switching focus between the two devices that use the serial port: Your BT GPS-receiver and the BT Carkit. When Navigator 5 is running, it pre-empts the serial port connection for the GPS-receiver, which forces the connection to stabilise.
Though we cannot offer you a solution to your problem, please try changing the settings of your BT Serial connection (removing the Authentication and Encryption options).
Kind regards,
The TomTom Customer Support Team
Response 03/07/2006 08.25 PM
Dear Mr Kirkby,
The incident you reported is escalated to our 2nd Line Support Technicians for further research. We will notify you immediately when they have resolved the incident.
Thank you very much for your understanding.
Kind Regards,
The TomTom Customer Support Team
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Customer 02/07/2006 11.25 PM
GPS Driver 1.2, MAP Great_britain_Plus-Map v571, English UK
Windows Mobile V5.0 OS 5.1.195 (Build 14847.2.0.0)
ROM - 2.21.4.1 WWE
ROM 3/9/06
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I have recently upgraded from a O2 XDA II to an O2 XDA Mini S. The product has been working perfectly for a number of days with my Vauxhall(Opel) Vectra Bluetooth car kit. The phone will pair with the unit, the contacts are downloaded etc and the phone will remain paired and make/receive calls via the bluetooth unit until switched off.
Yesterday I installed TOMTOM (Details above) onto the main memory and the GB maps onto the storage cards. The software was activated and my Plus subscription reset for the new device.
TomTom works OK on the device and the traffic information is updated as expected. With TOMTOM running, a route active and traffic information active the phone will maintain a connection with the bluetooth car kit. However, if a route is not active and therefore the traffic information is not active, the phone will connect to the bluetooth carkit and then disconnect after around 15-20 seconds. If the carkit is forced to reconnect it will but once again it will disconnect after 15-20 seconds.
If tomtom is not running, when I go to the phone dialer screen, when I force the phone to connect the headset icon is visible again for 15-20 seconds but then disappears when the phone disconnects from the carkit.
Presently the only way I can keep the phone connected to the carkit is to ensure that tomtom is active with a route and traffic updates switched on.
As stated previously this behaviour only started when tomtom was loaded on the XDA Mini S. Presently there is no way to keep the phone connected via bluetooth unless tomtom is running as above. I am using a Mk I Tomtom bluetooth GPRS receiver.
Tomtom was patched using the updated software as downloaded last week.
I have tried various combinations of resets/ re-pair/ delete device etc on both the carkit and phone. The problem still remains.

Strange, I am using TOMTOM and a Samsung HF kit and it works fine. Automatically cutting the sound from TOMTOM when I make and receive a call and then turning it back on when the phone is not in use.
The only, very minor, glitch is that on call termination there is a maybe 2 second loss of satellite signal.

I am using the Qtek Rom BTW, and the latest TOMTOM GPS drivers.
IIRC you ned to be using 5.21 versions of TOMTOM and drivers.

I have to say, I understand what TomTom are trying to say and agree. Because you've got the COM port set up in Windows, it doesn't matter if TomTom is open or not. I guess you could try deleteing the COM port in the Bluetooth settings and seeing if that solves the problem; then you will really know if it's a Windows problem. It's interesting that trevor.austin's car kit works fine; again seeming to point towards the fact your car kit has some problems with the way Windows handles having a com port set up.

How would I delete the com port? Do you know if there are any cabled GPS receivers about for the XDA Mini S - I guess then I would only be using bluetooth for the car kit?

Hi akirkby,
I also have a BT Carkit. I have the Parrot CK 3100.
I paired BT Carkit and the Emtac BT GPS.
With the BT GPS i need to assign the ports. With the carkit i didn't needed.
He recognized the carkit as a headset.
I think TomTom is right and i think the problem is in the Carkit
When i start TomTom, bluetooth also start automatic and then he nicely connect to mine BT Carkit. And when i shutdown TomTom he also disconnect.
What carkit do you have?
Did you check the IR module? If "allow incoming beams" is on?
You sometimes get some trouble when it on.
When i installed TomTom for a friend that was the problem.
When it was on it wouldn't connect to the wired GPS.
Maybe you should also check the site of your BT Carkit is there is a software update.
The Parrot CK3100 has software to flash your carkit over bluetooth.
Maybe your carkit support that als well.
Can you tell me what carkit you have?

akirkby said:
How would I delete the com port? Do you know if there are any cabled GPS receivers about for the XDA Mini S - I guess then I would only be using bluetooth for the car kit?
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No, unfortunately there are not any wired GPS recievers compatible with the Mini S... That I know of.
Delete the COM port to test by going to Comm Manager -> Settings (Right hotkey) -> Bluetooth Settings -> COM Ports -> tap and hold your GPS COM Port -> Delete.

There does not appear to be a COM port in the list. Under Bluetooth ports all I have are "New Outgoing Port" and "New Incoming Port" - nothing else?

Try setting outgoing port 6 to BT GPS and then tell TomTom to use port 6, make sure that your TomTom is 5.21.

akirkby said:
There does not appear to be a COM port in the list. Under Bluetooth ports all I have are "New Outgoing Port" and "New Incoming Port" - nothing else?
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That's interesting. What GPS are you using?

Its the Tomtom GPS unit - not the latest one, about two years old.

TomTom
If you have "New Outgoing Port" - then create one - try tapping and holding - you should have the options..... it will probably create an outgoing com port on Com6..
You are probably only missing this step..
Also, check that the name you have for your GPS actually ends in "GPS"
Charlie Grillo

[email protected] - the carkit is a factory fit option supplied by Vauxhall - I can't find much info about it on the web :-(

I've added a new outgoing com port - it did suggest com 6. I'll try this and let you know what happens.

Ah that makes sense. When you have a standard TomTom GPS, it doesn't need a COM port, I think TomTom does that for you... which is probably the problem. If you pair the GPS and the phone, create the COM port as you have done, and set TomTom to use the "other bluetooth gps" on the COM Port you set up, it might well work, and not kill your other bluetooth connections.

I paired the BT GPS before Tomtom was started - during pairing it says that the device has a serial port - do you want to use it. I tried saying Yes & No at this point and then adding a new outgoing com port.
Both times it will fail - Tomtom is configured for 'Other' BT receiver on COM 6.
Not sure what to do now.... is this the fault of the Car Kit Manufacturer, XDA or Tomtom? Effectively as soon as Tomtom is loaded on the device then it can no longer be used handsfree...

it should work as use a bt headset and a bt gps all the time with mine and have set up numerous othe miniS's for freinds at work .
have you tried com7 as the outgoing port the handsfree will use a bt profile
it could be a compatiblity issue with the hf car kit as not all bt protocols are the same.

Hello,
paired with a CK3100 parrot and a globalsat GPS works like a charm
Set the outgoing COM7 to the GPS MOUSE!!! and then it works!! dont ask me why!
SO com6 in and com7 out using the GPS mouse bluetooth as the device!!!
Let me know...

Hello,
paired with a CK3100 parrot and a globalsat GPS works like a charm
Set the outgoing COM7 to the GPS MOUSE!!! and then it works!! dont ask me why!
SO com6 in and com7 out using the GPS mouse bluetooth as the device!!!
Let me know...

Tried both com 6 and com 7 as outgoing ports. Port 7 worked until I stopped tomtom - restarted it and then the carkit stopped working again.....

Bluetooth GPS and Handfree

Hi,
i have a new JVC car radio (AVX33) with builtin Bluetooth and a Bluetooth GPS Mouse. Everything work fine also A2DP stereo but only one at time When my BA (with last Explode Rom) is connected to the radio and i want navigate with TomTom or any other programm i cant connect to the GPS mouse.
Disconnect the Radio, the GPS Mouse worked fine but when i reconnect the radio, it disconnect the GPS mouse.
Is there any way to use both at the same time?
Thanks,
tasar

It seems that all BA WM6 (6.1) ROM do not manage correctly multiple connections with BT devices at the same time. There is no way, for example, to grant BT ActiveSync connection while connected to a stupid BT hearphone (or to a GPS unit, as in your example).
I will downgrade to WM 2003 very soon...

Not good to hear But when i go back to 2003 i cant play music over BT,right? No A2DP with 2003?
Is this a problem form the BA or from WM6? I tkink to buy another PDA (which?) but when there is the same problem, i can keep my BA.
Tasar

Correct Mixture can be possible
Unfortunately, the current answer is a mixture between the WWE os and BT Software with know sacrafice.
My current build is: BA 5.2.19202 with MS BT
This is the current issue that you are defining.
Previous build:
TouchFlo 5.2.1938 with Broadcom 1.7.1
This allows the use of BT GPS and A2DP stereo at the same time.
Unfortunately it is at the cost of the phone feature. If you pair the headset feature of the of the stereo device, it will always choose the headset and not A2DP.
So the end question is: what enviroment do you want. A phone pda or pda
One final issue: The Broadcom 1.7.1 software does not work with all os. My 5.2.1902 will not work and the uninstall restores an older version of the MS BT with problems. I ended up reflashing the device.

aerotrike said:
So the end question is: what enviroment do you want. A phone pda or pda
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What a question Of course i want a Phone PDA!
But is the Bluetooth Problem an BA problem or a WM6? I think to buy another/newer PDA but when this is an WM6 Problem i can keep my BA.
Tasar

Push this to top again.
Is there a solution for this problem...?
I want to connect my BA (WM6) to a BT-Mouse and to a BT-Headset (mono) at the same time. Does this cause any Problems, or does it work...?
Greets Rossi

You should try; i connect my BT-GPS receiver and my BT-headset in the same time, with no problems.

Can you tell which GPS and Headset, and what are youre settings...?
I tried with these and it won't work:
- Navilock BT-348 Bluetooth GPS
- MIDLAND Rider Bluetooth Headset
Which version of WM6, eg. HELMIs...?
Greets Rossi