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Engadget: Epic 4G review, EVO still #1

from http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/16/epic-4g-review
"So is it the right phone for the job? In a word, yes -- the Epic 4G is a great device. Killer, even. Nothing speaks to us more strongly during the course of a review than finishing it and saying, "alright, I'm ready to buy this thing," and the Epic is on the short list of phones that has managed to do it. More than its Galaxy S siblings, it feels like the Epic has overcome its shortcomings -- notably the forgettable UI skin -- to shine, and it's a phone we could easily imagine using day to day. Only thing is, the EVO is also on that short list for us -- and the better camera, bigger screen, and $50 savings versus the Epic still make it our winner in this 4G shootout, though only by the thinnest of margins. Needless to say, if you need a physical keyboard and you're looking for the one of the most musclebound Android phones money can buy, we wouldn't hesitate to recommend it."

I've been thinking about switching over to the Epic but the GPS problems found on all the Galaxy S phones along with Samsung's bad reputation for slow if any updates make me really appreciate how awesome the Evo/HTC really is

You can't take engadget reviews seriously. They gave the iphone 4 a higher rating than the Droid X
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rockethot said:
You can't take engadget reviews seriously. They gave the iphone 4 a higher rating than the Droid X
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Of course they would, they are iphone fanatics. And aren't they also owned in part by apple or at&t or something?
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AOL owns engadget
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Of course they would, they are iphone fanatics. And aren't they also owned in part by apple or at&t or something?
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rockethot said:
You can't take engadget reviews seriously. They gave the iphone 4 a higher rating than the Droid X
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But the Evo and iPhone 4 got the same score.
They really aren't as bad as some other news blogs out there (Gizmodo).

How many Epic threads do we need in an Evo forum? Are we going to have a separate thread for the Gizmodo review?

i played with a epic today, i wont be switching from my evo...

Engadget? -- Really? -- They're not even fully aware of GPS problems that are affecting the Galaxy S line of phones -- in short, completely disregard their reviews because -- Engadget isn't playing with a full deck -- don't let your love for HTC cloud your objectivity.
Hopefully I used -- enough.

Minjin said:
How many Epic threads do we need in an Evo forum? Are we going to have a separate thread for the Gizmodo review?
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The Gizmodo article needs its own thread actually...unlike this one..I mean in the Gizmodo article..now don't get a heart attack...only time it compared the Epic to the iphone 4 was to say that the Epic is better at it...when I saw that my jaw dropped....if anyone doesn't believe me read the article...
That said samsung said GPS will be fixed in September..so thats withing the 30 days of the Epic..so if necessary it ca be returned if GPS is a concern.
As for the Engadget review..only reason it got an 8/10 over a 9/10 was due to the 50$ extra..so its not that its a worse phone.it just costs 50$ more...

Vandam500 said:
I've been thinking about switching over to the Epic but the GPS problems found on all the Galaxy S phones along with Samsung's bad reputation for slow if any updates make me really appreciate how awesome the Evo/HTC really is
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They amended the review at Engadget after talking to Samsung. The Epic ships with AGPS turned off. Once it was activated, they said things look fine.
Apparently google is requiring this to be off by default now. Must be a privacy thing, because I can't see a logical reason to reduce functionality otherwise.
Most buyers will never turn it on, and will assume their phone navigation sucks.

We see who is lurking in the background:
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Considering the Epic *****ing when the evo was released about all the bone headed issues HTC still have not fixed I don't think anyone can point a finger at samsung. The Epic is slated for 2.2 in September and a GPS fix.
Without root and custom roms the EVO, for a power user, is a POS.
Talk about construction issues. Different parts of varying capability and quality. Different screens, different multitouch sensors etc its like they took all the extra parts they had lying around and stuffed them into the cases.
Light leakage, screens lifting etc... FPS fix? SD cards corrupted? Touch input lag? Grounding issues? Thank God for XDA and some updates.
The EVO shipped with far more wrong that the epic. This is coming from an EVO owner. If the worst thing wrong with the Samsung is a GPS issue that will get fixed and touch wiz lag (Which you can remove without a custom rom unlike HTC sense) then they are a few steps ahead of where we were at release.
Also it seems the 1gb of storage may entirely be NAND fixing the app lag from the vibrant and other Galaxy S devices. From Slash gear's review:
Happily, while use of the Galaxy S series was punctuated with freezes and pauses, anecdotally blamed upon the handsets’ use of an internal microSD card for their onboard storage, the Epic 4G seems generally free of such lag.
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It's still "Internal SD" from what I can see, we (Captivate/Vibrant) don't have the newer firmware (yet) that eliminates lag when going back to the homescreen or when opening apps.

Got a chance to compare them side by side today and I have to say I highly prefer the EVO, the Samsung has a smaller screen yet the device is bigger and bulkier than the EVO. The UI looks like something designed by a 5 year old with a box of crayons. I guess if you really need a hard keyboard the Epic would be the only route you can take but the keyboard works great on the EVO so I actually prefer the slimmer device rather than a bulky 90's esque slide out keyboard phone. I honestly can't fathom why anyone would want an Epic over an EVO but I imagine some Epic owners feel the same way about the EVO. Regardless there is not a snowballs chance in hell I would ever own an Epic over an EVO The only other phone I might choos is iPhone 4 but with it's tiny screen and lack of widgets the whole thing just seems like outdated technology, I think Apple has alot of catching up to do to win me back from the EVO/Android.

Aridon said:
Considering the Epic *****ing when the evo was released about all the bone headed issues HTC still have not fixed I don't think anyone can point a finger at samsung. The Epic is slated for 2.2 in September and a GPS fix.
Without root and custom roms the EVO, for a power user, is a POS.
Talk about construction issues. Different parts of varying capability and quality. Different screens, different multitouch sensors etc its like they took all the extra parts they had lying around and stuffed them into the cases.
Light leakage, screens lifting etc... FPS fix? SD cards corrupted? Touch input lag? Grounding issues? Thank God for XDA and some updates.
The EVO shipped with far more wrong that the epic. This is coming from an EVO owner. If the worst thing wrong with the Samsung is a GPS issue that will get fixed and touch wiz lag (Which you can remove without a custom rom unlike HTC sense) then they are a few steps ahead of where we were at release.
Also it seems the 1gb of storage may entirely be NAND fixing the app lag from the vibrant and other Galaxy S devices. From Slash gear's review:
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I agree. I decided to return my evo today, I'll preorder an epic as soon as sprint receives the evo and grants me upgrade eligibility again.

bluehaze said:
Got a chance to compare them side by side today and I have to say I highly prefer the EVO, the Samsung has a smaller screen yet the device is bigger and bulkier than the EVO. The UI looks like something designed by a 5 year old with a box of crayons. I guess if you really need a hard keyboard the Epic would be the only route you can take but the keyboard works great on the EVO so I actually prefer the slimmer device rather than a bulky 90's esque slide out keyboard phone. I honestly can't fathom why anyone would want an Epic over an EVO but I imagine some Epic owners feel the same way about the EVO. Regardless there is not a snowballs chance in hell I would ever own an Epic over an EVO The only other phone I might choos is iPhone 4 but with it's tiny screen and lack of widgets the whole thing just seems like outdated technology, I think Apple has alot of catching up to do to win me back from the EVO/Android.
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agreed, i played with our demo epic all day today, and honestly, im not that impressed. It is a VERY nice screen, but as stated all over, colors look highly over saturated, and text is grainy because of it. I am envious of the 60fps when scrolling through menus, but thats ALL. Touchwiz is a JOKE. The capacitive android buttons work when they want to, cameras are much lower quality, and the screen is smaller. MY unbiased opinion? I think the epic is better for the GENERAL public out of the box vs the evo. That being said, For us XDA people, The evo is still the clear winner. Ill take my over clocked custom rom'd up ass evo ANYDAY over the epic. GO HTC!

rockethot said:
You can't take engadget reviews seriously. They gave the iphone 4 a higher rating than the Droid X
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thats all the more reason to take them seriously... the droid x is crap

Success100 said:
It is a VERY nice screen, but as stated all over, colors look highly over saturated,
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"Oversaturated"? Riiight. I'm guessing those true black levels are highly exaggerated too.

I am within 30 days of return date for my evo and was considering making the switch but the reviews make it easier for me to stick to the evo
With fresh Rom and havs kernel my battery life is fine and I don't really think I would ever use the horizontal hardware keyboard
If it was a vertical keyboard maybe since id be able to use it one handed
The screen is nice but from looking at the vibrant it had a blueish hue I did not care for. Additionally the pentile matrix display made text a bit tough to read from anything but zoomed in levels

EVO 4G & Epic 4G Hanging out SIDE BY SIDE

Greetings All,
It's me again, last week I posted some side by side photos of the Evo 4G and the Droid X. This week we have two of sprint's 4G handset side by side, the HTC EVO 4G next to the Samsung Epic 4G.
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You should try matching wallpapers to compare the difference between screens, but I think we all know the difference by now.

Could they make the SAMSUNG a bit bigger? Its kinda small as it is right now!!!

lol, you are spoil by our EVO Big Screen....

phatmanxxl said:
You should try matching wallpapers to compare the difference between screens, but I think we all know the difference by now.
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Yea, I will try it and post the pics, Got sooooooo many phones to play with on my job. Work in a technical support group so we all have the different high end phones from the various network...

A coworker here at the office told me she was all excited about her first Android phone and invited me to come see it. It's an Epic, the first one I've actually seen in person. I didn't want to rain on her parade so I kept my opinions to myself but all I could think was "You are still in your 30 days!! Take this POS back and get an EVO while you stil can!!!"
I am very surprised at what an awful device the Epic seems to be. I know opinions are like a-holes but mine is: The Epic doesn't hold a candle to the EVO and I have a hard time thinking of them as similar class phones. Samsung is a GREAT TV maker, if only they made phones as well as they make LCD TV's they would be a serious contender in the Smart Phone market. Too bad they are missing this boat (IMO)

First thanks OP for the pictures.
I had a chance to meet face to face with the Epic here is what I thought:
The screen is beautiful it's like looking at a highres photo. Simply amazing.
OK now that I have that out of the way. The device feels like a cheap kids toy. I kid you not in your hand it just feels like its going to break. It doesn't have that quality build feel of the EVO. The screen doesn't tilt, anyone who owned a TP2 knows what I'm talking about. The screen is small compared to the EVO. I don't care if its .3" or .9" its smaller by a long shot. Processor was slower than the EVO it scored like 954 in quadrant standard. I know it can be over clocked and it doesn't have FroYo so at best it will be as fast as the EVO. It did run 54 fps avg with about 4 or 5 stdev out of the box.
Got to go so I don't have time to proof read my statement, thread grammar checkers let me know.

nicely done op! i really like seeing a side-by-side comparison. even though i like the physical keyboard, i don't like how thick it is! i'm sticking with my EVO. it's just so sexy.
P.S. the samsung owner should check their voicemails!!

give it some time man, here is a a screen shot of the epic in quadrant
we only have stock 2.1 right now and if your looking for a base value look at the nexus one pre 2.2 and compare it to froyo nexus one. that is a substantial jump in score, perhaps when we get 2.2 it will indeed be as fast as the evo (with froyo) but is there a base score for evo on 2.1?
im not looking to pick a fight here but how exactly does it feel like your going to break it in your hand? im curious to known what kind of punishment your dealing to your poor phone that you would break it just by normal use..
not really sure why on the epic forum we have a lot of evo users coming in to complain about how the epic is a pile of crap (sorry dont check the evo boards so i dont know if there has been "counter" attacks) but why cant we all just get along as android brothers and enjoy 4g speeds together?
*EDIT* found some people from way back when teh evo was first released getting about 560ish on quadrant with stock 2.1, linpack gave yall 5.8 pretty decent compared to my old htc hero's 5.2. so the point of all this is just give it some time guys and we can both be on froyo

My post was not a personal attack just an opinion. Come on you know what cheap feels like don't kid yourself. And no the EVO did not score 560ish before OC and Froyo I believe it was around 900ish. Also I did state that they would probably be with in range of each other. We can all get along but we also have to deal with each other short comings such as the EVO GPU not being as good as the Epic. Soon dual and quad cores will be out. Last I am in the EVO forum.
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give it some time man, here is a a screen shot of the epic in quadrant
we only have stock 2.1 right now and if your looking for a base value look at the nexus one pre 2.2 and compare it to froyo nexus one. that is a substantial jump in score, perhaps when we get 2.2 it will indeed be as fast as the evo (with froyo) but is there a base score for evo on 2.1?
im not looking to pick a fight here but how exactly does it feel like your going to break it in your hand? im curious to known what kind of punishment your dealing to your poor phone that you would break it just by normal use..
not really sure why on the epic forum we have a lot of evo users coming in to complain about how the epic is a pile of crap (sorry dont check the evo boards so i dont know if there has been "counter" attacks) but why cant we all just get along as android brothers and enjoy 4g speeds together?
*EDIT* found some people from way back when teh evo was first released getting about 560ish on quadrant with stock 2.1, linpack gave yall 5.8 pretty decent compared to my old htc hero's 5.2. so the point of all this is just give it some time guys and we can both be on froyo
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zone23 said:
My post was not a personal attack just an opinion. Come on you know what cheap feels like don't kid yourself. And no the EVO did not score 560ish before OC and Froyo I believe it was around 900ish. Also I did state that they would probably be with in range of each other. We can all get along but we also have to deal with each other short comings such as the EVO GPU not being as good as the Epic. Soon dual and quad cores will be out. Last I am in the EVO forum.
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oh i know we are, but as a person who browses the epic forums quite a bit there is a good number of people badmouthing the epic, wasnt directing that towards you i know your post was just an honest opinion. some evo users apparently have "iphone user syndrome" and cant fathom another device being close to their holy grail.
i personally am not looking forward to the dual cores as things are the evo and epic (out of the box) suffer from horrid battery life, yet that hasnt stopped samsung from working on the orion chip (1ghz dual core, claims to have 5x the power of the hummingbird).
havent had any complaints about cheapness for my phone, it looks and feels solid in my hands, got a nice bit of weight on it, not too far off from my hero. my first complaint about it was location of usb port and lack of hardware buttons. after owning the phone for a bit i can honestly say im very disappointed with the front camera, it is horridly cropped and such a low res it looks deformed when trying to use qik, (got plenty of issues with qik too but thats the app makers fault there).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=695703
in this post shows a comparison of the hero vs the evo, and the evo stock is getting 544 on quadrant. once you guys have oc it got a bit better and of course froyo, i can only hope we get the same lovins

We both love our phones that's a win. I think the front cameras low resolutions are done so when using apps like qik they won't use tons of bandwidth and will semi work on 3G.
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oh i know we are, but as a person who browses the epic forums quite a bit there is a good number of people badmouthing the epic, wasnt directing that towards you i know your post was just an honest opinion. some evo users apparently have "iphone user syndrome" and cant fathom another device being close to their holy grail.
i personally am not looking forward to the dual cores as things are the evo and epic (out of the box) suffer from horrid battery life, yet that hasnt stopped samsung from working on the orion chip (1ghz dual core, claims to have 5x the power of the hummingbird).
havent had any complaints about cheapness for my phone, it looks and feels solid in my hands, got a nice bit of weight on it, not too far off from my hero. my first complaint about it was location of usb port and lack of hardware buttons. after owning the phone for a bit i can honestly say im very disappointed with the front camera, it is horridly cropped and such a low res it looks deformed when trying to use qik, (got plenty of issues with qik too but thats the app makers fault there).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=695703
in this post shows a comparison of the hero vs the evo, and the evo stock is getting 544 on quadrant. once you guys have oc it got a bit better and of course froyo, i can only hope we get the same lovins
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Heh. Fans of the Epic probably shouldn't post in a thread within the EVO forums. EVO users tend to think it's the best phone in the world. I just think it's a slightly upgraded HTC desire
But I don't know how you can say that the Epic doesn't hold a candle to the EVO. I own both, and I prefer my Epic. If the difference was that big, I never would have considered the Epic But I like my EVO enough to not get rid of it. I just can't. But it sits around for the most part It just doesn't excite me.

all hail evo
It is the best phone in the world....until the next phone I want is released. I give it until Q1 2011.

The screen looks so much better on the epic

Not sure where you guys are getting those quadrant scores... I have a rooted evo running... whatever rooted (but stock RUU that came out 6 weeks ago or so) and my Quadrant score is 540-560 all the time.
Picked up an Epic for my wife (she has to have a physical keyboard) and it scores in the high 800's low 900's stock.
Would love to boost my evo. Refuse to update to FROYO until the calendar and Gmail push bugs are addressed though.

Quadrant scores mean nothing anyways. Screen on epic does look great at times but that screen door effect its really evident at times as well.
My buddy has the epic and if I didn't have an evo I'd get it in a heart beat. As far as the feel of thee phone, I wouldn't say it feels cheap and weak, but the evo had a sturdier feel, its hard to explain but its there.
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zone23 said:
We both love our phones that's a win. I think the front cameras low resolutions are done so when using apps like qik they won't use tons of bandwidth and will semi work on 3G.
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oh im sure its low res for taht reason but the evo front cam is 1.3MP whereas the epic has a .3MP(?) but the issue at hand is simply hardware
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8060299&postcount=3
he explains it in that post, samsung made a fairly large boo-boo with that

That's absolutely correct,quadrant score means nothing,especially the free edition. It only gives you the overall score and not a break down. We all know the epic has a higher res due to it's super amoled screen and it's gpu. The high score is def.ly due to the Gpu. You would need the break down of the different areas that were tested.
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Yeah, solid phones either way. Hate, we must not. Embrace, we should. King, is Android.
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Wow.. 4.5 'super amoled plus', 1.2 hummingbird process, 8mp/1.3

http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...uper-amoled-plus/&category=classic&postPage=1
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First introduced just last year on the Wave, it feels like Super AMOLED was just starting to get its sea legs... but here we go again: Samsung's latest handset -- announced today in collaboration with AT&T at CES -- is the first to tout "Super AMOLED Plus" technology that features a 50 percent boost in sub-pixel count, promising improvements both in contrast and outdoor readability. Maybe more importantly, the display clocks in at a whopping 4.5 inches, besting HTC's 4.3-inch range (the EVO 4G, Desire HD, and likely the Thunderbolt) without getting dangerously close to Dell Streak territory. It's got an 8 megapixel camera on back paired with a 1.3 megapixel shooter up front, a 1.2GHz single-core Hummingbird processor, and still somehow promises to be the thinnest smartphone on AT&T when it launches at a to-be-determined date. Now, the controversy: despite the name, the Infuse 4G apparently doesn't have a hint of LTE -- it's HSPA+, which means AT&T's now playing the same game as T-Mobile.
We've had a brief chance to play with an early Infuse 4G dummy unit, so we weren't able to turn it on, but we got a pretty good impression of how it feels. Basically, we came away encouraged that 4.5 inches isn't going to feel too big for practical use -- if you're accustomed to something like an EVO, you probably won't skip a beat (that's undoubtedly due in part to the fact that the Infuse seems to be quite a bit thinner). We're told the tastefully textured matte rear cover that we saw wasn't final, but we're crossing our fingers that
Its a Samsung Evo 4g lol
At&t looking mighty fine.. plus found out first hand their 3g is
as fast as my 4g on a bad day..
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http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...uper-amoled-plus/&category=classic&postPage=1
Its a Samsung Evo 4g lol
At&t looking mighty fine.. plus found out first hand their 3g is
as fast as my 4g on a bad day..
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Thought about posting this myself but I was just depressed. They're getting the dualcore motorola. Jeez.

That looks awesome, however my step mom switched from at&t cause of there poor phones service slow 3g and unreliable network, plus i rather have a keyboard on my epic and damn that thing is going to be big with 4.5 screen. Also probaly horrible battery life since it has a 1.2 processor..
Cool but i like my epic better...

davidrules7778 said:
That looks awesome, however my step mom switched from at&t cause of there poor phones service slow 3g and unreliable network
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but...but...but...all their commercials say that at&t has the fastest network in America.
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but...but...but...all their commercials say that at&t has the fastest network in America.
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LOL so true so true.. I had such fun at a recently holiday gathering with my iPhone-toting friends. The frustration abounded as I was able to zip photos from the party up to Facebook/Twitter in seconds and their network dragged and dragged. As much as this froyo fiasco is grinding my gears, at least I have a solid data connection 99% of the time.

If it had a physical keyboard, I'd be intrigued. It's a nice looking phone, but I rely too much on my hardware keyboard..

One of the reasons we dont have Froyo yet too. They've been busy with this big thing.
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I might have to find me another dummy to go to att and get me this phone,so I can use it with tmobile,is they hsdpa+ same as tmobile?

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but...but...but...all their commercials say that at&t has the fastest network in America.
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Ya ill believe there commercial when my **** turns hot pink lol
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LOL so true so true.. I had such fun at a recently holiday gathering with my iPhone-toting friends. The frustration abounded as I was able to zip photos from the party up to Facebook/Twitter in seconds and their network dragged and dragged. As much as this froyo fiasco is grinding my gears, at least I have a solid data connection 99% of the time.
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So get this, my sisters bf has an iphone and i have sprints epics with mobile ap for free and he was saying my data speeds were 4g and he stated connecting to my phone with his iphone on my 3g service along with my laptop and 2 ipod touchs saying it was faster then his 3g service. LMFAO
hydrogenwv said:
If it had a physical keyboard, I'd be intrigued. It's a nice looking phone, but I rely too much on my hardware keyboard..
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Dido, however i would not switch to crap At&T Service..
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One of the reasons we dont have Froyo yet too. They've been busy with this big thing.
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Right? Seriously!!!

Finally, all the subpixels. Makes me jealous.

hydrogenwv said:
If it had a physical keyboard, I'd be intrigued. It's a nice looking phone, but I rely too much on my hardware keyboard..
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Same here... I would be an AT&T customer but their Android phones with keyboards is just laughable. Damn the apple for being the driving force behind the keyboardless phones. They are just useless to me... nothing like banging away at a text or email without having to even look at the screen once.

What would be funny, if it came shipped with 2.1, or 2.2 when they already made the nexus s 2.3 lmfao samsung would look bad...
Edit: nvrmind it has 2.2, and probaly wont get 2.3, wow samsung announcing a new device top of the line with android 2.2, sucky!!!!

Speaking of sub pixels..did the Nexus S use PenTile Matrix? cause In Google's specs they made it sound like no PenTile too..forgot to ask :/
davidrules7778 said:
What would be funny, if it came shipped with 2.1, or 2.2 when they already made the nexus s 2.3 lmfao samsung would look bad...
Edit: nvrmind it has 2.2, and probaly wont get 2.3, wow samsung announcing a new device top of the line with android 2.2, sucky!!!!
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Its not shocking..Nexus One already had 2.2 and EVO came out with 2.1...its ow these things work..just cause Gingerbread is out does not mean its 100% stable..hence why its on a developer phone...the N1 got a few Froyo updates before any phone got theirs...

gTen said:
Speaking of sub pixels..did the Nexus S use PenTile Matrix? cause In Google's specs they made it sound like no PenTile too..forgot to ask :/
Its not shocking..Nexus One already had 2.2 and EVO came out with 2.1...its ow these things work..just cause Gingerbread is out does not mean its 100% stable..hence why its on a developer phone...the N1 got a few Froyo updates before any phone got theirs...
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Oh i see, well i doubt samsung will upgrade anytime soon, i mean we still dont have froyo on any galaxy s devices in the U.S. so..
Thanks for that info tho. didnt know that

AT&T blows, nuff said.
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Im fine with 4.5 screen if they still make the phone same size as Epic.How?Epic has 0.2 inches of unused space on each side of the screen,now if they could make the whole screen as wide as the phone itself,why waste any space?I bet that sht is possible to make and get rid off 4 android buttons that nobody uses and make 1 or 2 physical buttons imstead and make them smaller.To make it short bassicly fit that 4.5 screen on our Epic- it can be done.

leatherneck6017 said:
AT&T blows, nuff said.
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+1........ I sold their phones awhile ago their customer service is the worst. they also are way too expensive for pretty much the ****ty service all these carriers have just because it comes with a pretty red bow doesnt make it any better.if you are complaining about 3g speeds get wifi boneheads. all of my major downloading is done on wifi at my house. im not impressed by the phone at all it is probably our exact processor just overclocked. whoop deee dooo daaaa. dual cores will be coming out in feb that will impress me
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no keyboard no thank you....it looks like a decent phone though too bad samsung made it measn they will get no support sucks to be them

No disrespect meant towards the OP but, F samsung. They aren't getting any more of my money.

Specs-wise, it's an incremental upgrade at best. We could easily overclock our chips to 1.2 GHz if we wanted to. I am surprised really, that it didn't come with a dual core ARM Cortex A9 CPU. I doubt that the camera will be much better (remember megapixels != quality).
The only thing that is really tempting is the screen, which now uses the RGB layout. Otherwise, it's not worth upgrading to. Upgrade when your phone is significantly weaker than the status quo, or else you're constantly going to be spending big.

Evo Vs. Nexus S

So, I have an opportunity through work to upgrade to any phone of my choice on Sprint (had blackberry). I have VZW currently with a 2.2 rooted fascinate on a month to month contract. What I am thinking is turning off my VZW line and just using my work phone until something changes. Sadly the Evo 3D won't be out soon enough for me to wait or get a phone now and exchange when it comes, otherwise, that would be my obvious choice. So my choices will be an EVO (which is almost a year old) or the about to be released Nexus S. Neither is really compelling to me knowing all the dual core goodness coming out soon. However, just don't have a choice. So, while I know there might be some biased with this being the Evo thread, sound off on your thoughts of my choices. I do like the nexus for a lot of reasons, but no expandable memory is killing me. Can't decide. Thoughts??? Go...(and thanks)
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I would personally go with the evo because you have the option of it being sense or aosp.... plus aosp has made major improvements lately with hdmi and 4g both working and if all fails you can always revert back to sense. Gingerbread with sense for the evo was leaked earlier this week also. But I hate samsung phones, always get the phone with screen issues,lol.... waiting on the evo 3d this summer....

you go with the nexus or wait till the 3d, id wait but if you have to go now, go nexus bc its faster

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If I knew for sure the 3D would be out in 30 days I wouldn't sweat it. But it likely won't be here until June.
Dontbeven really care about the gimmicky 3D feature, just a much more powerful phone.
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depends on what you want/ expect. evo is going to be the phone with the better community and devs, also expandable memory, htc build quality is superior and if there was a leaked 2.3 rom it means there will be an official ota update which means sprint is still supporting the phone.
obviously a nexus phone is going to have full support but you will have limits when it comes to devs but, why need devs when every google update is live within a week or 2

Tough choice but i love my evo 4.3 inch screen and the 1ghz of speed but the nexus is newer. In my opinion Htc Evo is a great phone and you should go with that one. I know the battery not great but there are many roms that you can flash that have great battery life on stock battery so that not a big issue and more and you can buy an extended battery if you want also. I dont believe you can root the nexus so you have to wait for that and if the battery is not great on the nexus then its a problem. So i would go with the evo if i were you.

Go with the nexus.love my evo,but the nexus is a more powerful phone.
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Nexus S. I love my Evo but the Nexus S is more powerful. Better build quality too.

the only advantage phone vs phone for the evo is the .8 inches bigger on the screen, it loses in every other category

Get a Echo...there's two screens. So it's like having an Evo and a Nexus at the same time. Cuz theres two screen ya know. j/k But I would still choose EVO man. The devs kick ass and its still going to be a strong community. Plus I just love Sense. lol

Nexus S.
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Nexus S has a really powerful GPU that puts it nearly on par with even the Tegra 2. It will be able to play all/most games through this year. The display is also better and only slightly smaller - making it, IMO, a more comfortable carrying size. It also comes with much more internal storage for apps and 16GB ain't bad at all for overall storage.
People talk about the EVO having more development but the Nexus line are almost always the phones that third party app developers use to develop apps. On top of that, the EVO has a bunch of gutter ROMs - same old slightly modified stock ROMs. The Nexus S has official support from the, IMO, big three: CM, MIUI, and Google.
Plus you are pretty much guaranteed fully working up to date Android updates. The EVOs life will almost certainly end at a "might as well be Froyo" Gingerbread Sense ROM. From that point on, if you want to keep up to date with the EVO, its all unofficial and buggy custom ROMs.
If you want a phone with worse specs and that will soon feel old and unsupported, get the EVO. If you want to see what Android is about, get the most open and supported phone, the Nexus S.
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I love my EVO but if you can't wait for the 3D I'd go w/ the Nexus S.

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Nexus S has a really powerful GPU that puts it nearly on par with even the Tegra 2. It will be able to play all/most games through this year. The display is also better and only slightly smaller - making it, IMO, a more comfortable carrying size. It also comes with much more internal storage for apps and 16GB ain't bad at all for overall storage.
People talk about the EVO having more development but the Nexus line are almost always the phones that third party app developers use to develop apps. On top of that, the EVO has a bunch of gutter ROMs - same old slightly modified stock ROMs. The Nexus S has official support from the, IMO, big three: CM, MIUI, and Google.
Plus you are pretty much guaranteed fully working up to date Android updates. The EVOs life will almost certainly end at a "might as well be Froyo" Gingerbread Sense ROM. From that point on, if you want to keep up to date with the EVO, its all unofficial and buggy custom ROMs.
If you want a phone with worse specs and that will soon feel old and unsupported, get the EVO. If you want to see what Android is about, get the most open and supported phone, the Nexus S.
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You pretty much echoed my internal sentiments. I had a Moto droid and had to switch to another phone and was able to get fascinate for free. The support has been nonexistent for this phone and while I know some devs have been toiling away on it and doing an incredible job with what they are having to Frankenstein together, the rom of froyo I have on this is still very buggy at best. So I have experienced both worlds, stock android Vs themed android with a hope of updates (I know very well about unsopported phones..Lol). While I don't dispute evo is a fantastic phone and have been tempted to give sense a whirl (touchwiz is the suck, put launcher pro on this on day one) I think the nexus might be the way for me. Also, I can get a new phone from VZW at any time I choose by just adding line back onto my plan if I see something that really catches my eye, but no need to pay when work will pay for my plan through sprint.
Appreciate the well thought out reply confirming what I had already been leaning toward.
Cheers.
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I've read in a few threads that the Nexus S build quality is no that great compared to HTC. I'm eligible for an upgrade soon and need to decide as well.

Here's my answer plain and out, if you can't wait for the evo 3d, get the nexus s...plain and simple

Nexus S.
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Nexus S. Don't buy a phone that is already a 1+ year old (evo). Even though nexus is missing some stuff (sd card/etc..), the cpu/gpu/screen is more up to date with technology.

Keep your verizon line...get the nexus and tell them you'll activate it yourself but don't take it out of the box. When the 3d comes along, sell your (mint condition) nexus s and put the money towards an evo 3d.
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What am I going to do now?

I bet I am not the only one feeling like this is the end of the line for my EVO.
I got MikG 2.1 on my phone and it is basically running as good as the hardware will let the EVO run. What now? I have been flashing OSs since the Blackberry days and I feel a big let down. I don;t see me going to the EVO 3D as it would not really improve my EVO experience all that much. I use my phone for business and personal stuff and it is doing a very good job.
What now???

I would go for the Galaxy S II when it comes out, or something else, since good things are coming.

The Galaxy SII looks good but I have not had very good luck with Samsung phones. SMH

As crazy as it might sound, I would consider going back to a Blackberry if they came out with a 4" plus screen. Like a Storm4. Crazy right? LOL

I feel the same way, on MikG 2.1 as well. The phone is just working too well to mess with! Can't complain about that. Don't worry though, just like with the hero ROMs and improvements will keep coming. The EVO is just in a weird place because handsets are more powerful now, it is a year old, and still keeps up rather than being totally outdated.
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As crazy as it might sound, I would consider going back to a Blackberry if they came out with a 4" plus screen. Like a Storm4. Crazy right? LOL
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Very weird; I had to use my sister's Blackberry when my first Evo went missing, then got a replacement; I hated it, little keyboard, had to go all backways just to get something simple, like an alarm, and had to use the calendar to have more than one.
Personally, I would recommend you at least try the Galaxy S II; I've had good experiences with Samsung products [for what its worth], the phone will be a powerhouse, and if you don't like it, can always return it within the 30 days.

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As crazy as it might sound, I would consider going back to a Blackberry if they came out with a 4" plus screen. Like a Storm4. Crazy right? LOL
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Going back to Blackberry is crazy. I have one for work and hate the damn thing, compared to my Evo. There's always something new on the horizon, just wait it out
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Just supercharge it.
It will feel like a new phone anyway without the expense
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I still have my evo. I'm currently stripping it down to barebones and using my tablet for everything else. I was working on an updated gingerbread rom but those plans have changed now. The evo is still a great device as a phone and as a smartphone. It's just a shame people jumped ship just to have the latest and greatest. I simply just added what I wanted which was the htc evo view tablet.

I would go to a Sprint store or Radio shack and play with the Evo 3D. I thought i wouldn't like it after seeing all the negative reviews, but when I played with it in person, I was really impressed. Just seemed way better than I thought, and I even dig the 3D now.
I just posted my Evo on Craigslist a few minutes ago. If I get a buyer, I'll go get the 3D. Thought about waiting for the GS2, but not really a fan of Samsung phones...and the development community the 3D seems to be building up outweighs the specs for me.

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I bet I am not the only one feeling like this is the end of the line for my EVO.
I got MikG 2.1 on my phone and it is basically running as good as the hardware will let the EVO run. What now? I have been flashing OSs since the Blackberry days and I feel a big let down. I don;t see me going to the EVO 3D as it would not really improve my EVO experience all that much. I use my phone for business and personal stuff and it is doing a very good job.
What now???
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The 3D is a really fast phone, played around with it yesterday but other then that I see no reason to pick it up. If it's not broken why mess with it?
Yeah some of the devs have moved onto the 3D, but this phone is far from dead. Let the excitement die down a bit and you will have plently of roms to flash in the future.
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what can the 3d do that the Evo can't do other than watch videos and shoot in 3d?
I still haven't figured that one out, but it seems all the hype over it is just because it's a new shiny toy...Kind of like the ipho..oops.

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what can the 3d do that the Evo can't do other than watch videos and shoot in 3d?
I still haven't figured that one out, but it seems all the hype over it is just because it's a new shiny toy...Kind of like the ipho..oops.
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Bigger Battery, more Ram, Dual, Core. Like having 2 evos in 1.. that's pretty much it
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Its just a phone. I don't feel the need to upgrade until I find something it can't do and that's definitely not now.

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Bigger Battery, more Ram, Dual, Core. Like having 2 evos in 1.. that's pretty much it
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That's sidestepping the question though. He didn't ask what the difference was. He asked what could it do the Evo couldn't? Having a longer battery life is certainly nice, though. But as of right now, I can't see the dual core and ram being useful... maybe in six months?

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That's sidestepping the question though. He didn't ask what the difference was. He asked what could it do the Evo couldn't? Having a longer battery life is certainly nice, though. But as of right now, I can't see the dual core and ram being useful... maybe in six months?
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Must of misread the question. The dual core plus more ram will be a huge factor on how much faster roms will run once these devs get root access. It will totally blow the Evo out of the water in that aspect for sure.

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Must of misread the question. The dual core plus more ram will be a huge factor on how much faster roms will run once these devs get root access. It will totally blow the Evo out of the water in that aspect for sure.
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Lol no I've had a g2x dual core overclocked to 1.5ghz
Then moved to Sprint .. got the EVO 4G..
Now I have the EVO 3d.. even with "development" nothing will be much faster
We need ice cream to utilize the dual core/adreno220 chip set...
As for more RAM.... Hardly I'm at 122-200 mbs free... That means over 70% is being used for sense 3.0 and OS...
Honestly I'm selling my EVO 3d for a EVO 4g and a laptop in two days.... Don't bother with this 3vo as they call it... It honestly isn't much of an improvement
The only thing I can seeing it be good with is a stock aosp ROM like miui or cm
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I am beginning to think the same way. I would not watch 3D movies on my EVO or take 3D videos. As tot he dual processor, what exactly will that do for me? Get my emails faster? Dial out faster? Surf the internet faster? Not unless we get steady 4G speeds or even really good 3G speeds. On wifi my EVO flies and does pretty good when I get good 3G service. So I am not sure what I would gain. I know when I went from Storm1 to Storm2 it was supposed to be such a big improvement but I did not see that much. I like Sense so I am not sure if I would go to Samsung but never know. I think I would switch more for longer battery life if a phone came out with that kind of technology. But, I don't see how these faster processors are going to help with that.
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Its just a phone. I don't feel the need to upgrade until I find something it can't do and that's definitely not now.
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