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*POLL* - Merging Original Android Development and Android Development

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Hello community.
As you all know and see there two different thread
Original Android Development
Android Development
In this two thread you can find different ROMs.
Therefore it is in some cases difficult to distinguish in which thread a ROM have to be. Some DEVs (@ the Android Development) think they are at the wrong place but the Mods doesnt want to move their thread.
Please make here you choice if you want the old subdivision (only Android Development) oder if you like the new one (Original Android Development and Android Development).
It would be nice if you can leave here your reasons for your choice..
Uh quite nice!?
NeoPhyTe.x360 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16205643&postcount=186
https://twitter.com/#!/VillainROM/status/98306513713635328
I quote it in case of be deleted, VillainROM Tweet 2 Aug. 10.17 am:
@VillainROM
VillainROM
LMFAO mate @Fysi. Can you vote for the 2 forum system at http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1198080 ^P
What are the interests of Villain Team, to keep forums separated?
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Source: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16295037&postcount=27

More splitting imo.
Kernels/roms(org/non)/radios/apps/themes
And a stricter policy on tagging threads in the tittle, eg [ROM][KERNEL] etc

Nice idea but i dont think that radios should have an extra thread. They can sty with kernels.
What do you mean with
roms(org/non)
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org/non = original/non Samsung or original/non AD?

veyka said:
More splitting imo.
Kernels/roms(org/non)/radios/apps/themes
And a stricter policy on tagging threads in the tittle, eg [ROM][KERNEL] etc
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+1
It is nice not seeing a 'new' rom being posted every two minutes where the only difference is the theme.
Perhaps the section titles could be a little bit clearer, For example: Android Development, and the other section called Themed Roms?

Id like to see even more splitting for ROM+Kernel and Kernel only releases, Its really a PIA sometimes to sort the threads out when your looking for something and it kinda scares off the newbie with a ton load of information and choices presented to him when his just looking for something specific.
Id say have a separate release for ROM+Kernel in 1 subforum and another for kernel only.

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Its another way to increase post count

veyka said:
More splitting imo.
Kernels/roms(org/non)/radios/apps/themes
And a stricter policy on tagging threads in the tittle, eg [ROM][KERNEL] etc
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I think that tagging is very important, I prefer only one section, but with very stricted thread's TAGGING...
And I think that is very important explain the non-cosmetic changes in every ROM.
Regards!

Exactly, strict tagging, good references as to where the rom was based on, and credits where needed.
One thread.

only one Android Development

One forum for development, one for roms and stuff. I have no interest in reading about the majority of the problems people have in installing a ROM, but would be interested in seeing the technical threads (if we still have technical threads here...)

Merge the Development forums again and require [ROM] and a date in the subject.
Require all [ROM]'s built from another 'original' rom's sources to have [DERIVATIVE] or something like to identify them with a link to the source rom in the thread.
Pull [KERNAL]'s out to a second forum, again require a date.
Create a 'Technical' forum and move all the discussion, speculation and stickies that clutter up the other ROM forums into here.
Create new forum for non-android development (like Backtrack or potential Linux releases).

I would suggest using [KERNEL] instead

godutch said:
i would suggest using [kernel] instead
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+1

Even if they decided to split they shouldn't be partial. Why is villain and darky rom in original development? They both look similar to stock to me with some mods.
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Personally, I like the idea of having a forum specifically for new ROMs. I can see the benefit of keeping modifications to ROMs in one forum and the real thing in another.

kirdroid said:
Even if they decided to split they shouldn't be partial. Why is villain and darky rom in original development? They both look similar to stock to me with some mods.
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Not stock kernel for starters on VR and that's the core of it .
jje

I like the idea of keeping photoshop roms separate from true developer roms like CM7.
Seriously, everyone who can use winzip and photoshop can make a rom and publish here, and from the looks of it, they do. It it were up to me, I'd actually not open a separate board, I'd delete them all.

As the creation of two separate dev boards was not motivated by any intention to make the forum easier for the user I'd have to say merge them back please. Seeing how it was motivated by greed and favoritism, indicated by the ROMs placement on one board or the other, I'd say screw this nazi maneuver, get your head out of your asses and realize you're all just tweakers and the ONLY REAL DEVELOPER IS SAMSUNG AND THE CM7 TEAM. So as the two forums are, only stock ROM and CM7 should be in the "real" dev forum. The rest of you take OTHERS work and tweak it (yes make it better etc etc, and we are all grateful for that). But come on you're not some super genius hacker dev here (and YES I appreciate your work and have donated but you are not "original developers"). As stated above this is about a "good ole' boys club", nothing else. Pathetic.

Endoran said:
As the creation of two separate dev boards was not motivated by any intention to make the forum easier for the user I'd have to say merge them back please. Seeing how it was motivated by greed and favoritism, indicated by the ROMs placement on one board or the other, I'd say screw this nazi maneuver, get your head out of your asses and realize you're all just tweakers and the ONLY REAL DEVELOPER IS SAMSUNG AND THE CM7 TEAM. So as the two forums are, only stock ROM and CM7 should be in the "real" dev forum. The rest of you take OTHERS work and tweak it (yes make it better etc etc, and we are all grateful for that). But come on you're not some super genius hacker dev here (and YES I appreciate your work and have donated but you are not "original developers"). As stated above this is about a "good ole' boys club", nothing else. Pathetic.
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+1 nothing to add

+1... So many stock Samsung roms are still in original development forum. All this is nothing but favoritism.
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NS4G Dev Team Looking for ROM Devs

I'm working on a rom for NS4G that will feature a custom launcher, UI elements, apps, widgets, etc. We are looking for developers who would like to work on the project.
If you are interested or have questions, just send me an email at: [email protected]
Thanks!

I will help for kernels

I may be able to help.

I can do graphics.

Thanks for responding, I sent everyone a PM.

I just want to say thanks. The dev is really weak and dry for the Nexus S 4G. Mathkid and a few others have supported us well and I am thankful. ROM wise it's been super dry.

I appreciate the support UniqueNate. I agree, the dev support for the NS4G is kind of weak. Which is surprising since it's kind of a dev phone (in my opinion).
Keep looking out for us and the rom!

Bump
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I can fully host your project (web, public/private git, irc, whatever else you want) for a reasonable monthly price.
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Thanks! I don't think we'll need that at the moment but I'll keep you in mind.
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Bump
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i think that you should stop bumping this thread. that makes it spammy. instead of an open thread, a moderator will end up closing it. at least post something instead of writing "bump". anything.

If you need devs, and don't need hosting, what are you yourself doing?

@simms22 you might new right about that, I'll keep that I'm mind. Thanks
@Jonnythan we're building a custom rom. Other than that, I'm not sure what your question means.
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Evan_TechBamboo said:
@simms22 you might new right about that, I'll keep that I'm mind. Thanks
@Jonnythan we're building a custom rom. Other than that, I'm not sure what your question means.
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We who? Does it take multiple devs to build a custom ROM? Are you doing coding work yourself?

jonnythan said:
We who? Does it take multiple devs to build a custom ROM? Are you doing coding work yourself?
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I have a dev team now, we're just recruiting more devs. And the number of devs you need depends on how big the project is really. Some people do it alone, but you also have large teams like cyanogen mod team.
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Directions please
Hey can someone direct me to where I can begin to learn how to port roms to NS4g?
Thanks

Evan_TechBamboo said:
I'm working on a rom for NS4G that will feature a custom launcher, UI elements, apps, widgets, etc. We are looking for developers who would like to work on the project.
If you are interested or have questions, just send me an email at: [email protected]
Thanks!
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It's a Nexus S, pure vanilla. Apps are all over the market and here, the launcher is stock, it's up to marketers and developers in the market to create those and hand them over to be used, same goes for widgets. Not to be a basher, but most dev teams started with solo work finding interest in someone else's and and them stealing from eachother then co operating.
As Johnny was asking though, what work are you doing yourself, not your team, but you? We need a lure, and some hope, not be drawn into a Project where the man in charge is scooping everyones work into a pot to call his.
What part do you play in your team? What ideas do and future do you see for your rom. Do you see it as big as Cyanogen coming with nightlies, or is this a whole new game. I really can't see a custom rom built for Nexus besides ASOP, MIUI roms that we skin and theme ourselves, all we have to look forward to is ICe cream Sandwhich, and some useless ports of other launchers and possible Framework- which won't happen on this phone with a new Nexus coming out.
If you are for real, I am a very good artist, and designer and developer but have very little time to play around. LMK your role, and i'll keep it in mind and get back to you.

Any devs left that want to work on ICS for vibrant?

I see posts about cyanogen no longer officially supporting the vibrant, and although I DO like CM, I don't support the concept that it should be the end all be all of rom designs. Many of the custom roms I've seen on XDA offer specialized mods that may never make it to the CM roms..
That said, I haven't developed any roms, but I have seen plenty of people claim they are willing to help and have varying levels of experience. I've downloaded the source code for ICS and am wanting to find any devs or people willing to go through the learning process to try to make ICS work for vibrants.
I saw this thread [DEV] ICS port for I9000/I9000B - ALPHA (ICS sources) - work in progress and realize perhaps we can port that over if they get it working, but we would still need to organize people who are willing to work on some sort of project.
Our device is far from defunct, there are still people modding the OG droid that has far inferior specs, so all we need are people who are willing to keep the vibrant alive. It is a good phone, and should have community support until it truly IS defunct.
Thoughts, volunteers, devs have any input? Please no flaming, just because some may not think this is worthwhile or even possible, I know there are many that would appreciate the possibilites that exist.

We have a good port now....Check in the devolvement forums.
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This is the one im using now http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1362961 it has a few bugs but all in all its pretty stable.

its amazing

[Q] Tutorial request

I've been reading and watching YouTube videos describing building android roms and kernels from source but they are really confusing. Just wondering if one of you experienced developers could do a step by step tutorial on building roms and kernels from source for our beloved A500. A substantial donation would be in your future. I think this would be a great resource for people that want to make their own roms and kernels instead of relying on other peoples releases.
Thanks for reading..

I mentioned this in another thread earlier.I think it would be best for you to start if you have not already.
developer.android.com.
also go to nvidia.c om and follow there development for tegra 2 . it would be one very long step by step tutorial.

I was wondering about that myself. I compiled my share of linux kernels back in the day. I'd like to be able to contribute to making ICS on Iconia better.
Thanks for the references.
Jim

can someoone help me too??

you might be surprised to know that devs WILL help so long as your not asking hey what is a kernel or something goofy like that. I've gotten help through pm's from devs before on theming and things like that. My advice would be to get ad far as you can on your own and when you've hut the wall and absolutely cent get any further, reach out to a dev for guidance
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Ambiguously named "Original Android Development" Forums

I'm not sure why the decision was made to start dividing up the Android Development Forums into regular and "Original" versions but I personally feel like it's pointless and confusing, especially for people who have been using this site for several years.
At the very least they should be named more appropriately, the word original makes it sound like you're talking about modified stock ROMs etc..., i.e. what was originally on the device.
The entire point of an open source community is that different people can work on different things. I guarantee you that some of the so called "unoriginal" ROMs out there had just as much work and time go into them as anyone else's. So this is basically a just a slap in the face to anyone who is new to this type of development, it certainly would not encourage anyone to continue contributing and learning.
The bottom line is that the only "Original" Android ROMs come from here: http://source.android.com , even Cyanogen MOD is still 90% someone else's code/work. Essentially the whole thing amounts to elitist segregation, aside from Linus Torvald there isn't a person alive today that has any right to thumb their nose at another open source developers efforts simply because they didn't think they were worthy of being recognized.

Cool story bro

Well IMO I think it makes sense that its called original because its all based on aosp which is the original Android
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eggydrums said:
Well IMO I think it makes sense that its called original because its all based on aosp which is the original Android
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Actually it has nothing to do with that, there are many modified stock ROMs in the original forums. Unless of course you're referring to those as well in which case EVERYTHING is based on the AOSP. In either case I hope you voted for option two

Darkside Agent said:
Cool story bro
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Why didn't you vote?

Why would I?
Total waste of a thread...it will accomplish nothing and is just a rant from you
No one else has a problem with this, including people like myself who's work doesn't go in the original section
Plus this has been covered so many timez the Admins are bored hearing about it
Find something else to concentrate on, this is highly irrelevant

I agree with the OP.
Having two forums for the development of Android for one device makes no sense.
At the very least, a sticky at the top of every "original" forum needs to interpret why the forum is different to the standard development forum.
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It seems that every time I've come here in the last few months everything is different. I understand wanting to 'spice it up' or 'make it organized'...but XDA was pretty much unchanged for a very long time, and now all these changes are more frustrating than helpful. In the end, I guess it doesn't make that big of a difference.
Let it be said that the first time I read 'original android development'...I thought of apps that were developed 100% by a dev...and NOT based on 'original android'.

I'm going to lock this up and explain the differences of development and original development.
Plain development: those are ROMs that are based off stock based ROMs or ROMs like cm with some apps or minor tweaks tossed in. Nothing that is brand new or has revolutionary features in. Team venom ViperS sense ROM is normal development if that ROM is based on a stock based sense ROM. Now if they brought that rom to a Samsung devices or non HTC phine, then its original.
Original development: any ROM that is compiled from source and has revolutionary features in it. Examples cyanogenmod, AOKP,PAC man, Paranoid Android, BAKED,Slim Bean etc. Those are all examples of original development. If someone downloads or compiles a source based ROM. Then adds their tweaks apps etc,that would be normal development. Basically original development is cutting edge stuff.