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Community ROM ideas(nothing but love)

I hope this will come to fruition with the input and help of everyone here.
I think having a community ROM(s) where all contributors get a equal share of donations would be a great idea for our community and catch on. That way when one donates it goes to all contributors developers/bakers/and anyone else who would be contributing by managing the thread/hosting or anything else that would be a part of the new Community ROM(now that's love). The specifics can be ironed out (suggestions welcomed). I personally don't want to be a contributor just the inspiration to get this moving. So I will be out of the picture.
Any suggestions would be welcomed!!!
A few I would have are:
How would developers divide the moneys? I was thinking a trusted and liked community member who would run the thread. Or if their was a way to set up Paypal or something to divide payments to all contributors(probably unlikely)
This Community ROM should be about 100% Love and that their should be absolutely no fighting over moneys. If an individual doesn't want to receive money then they must suggest a cause to donate to.
When one donates to the Community ROM, it's exactly that, they are donating to a community!! Now thats love!
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i think thats a good idea...i see certain people getting tons (litterally TONS) of donations, yet the people that are really behind a lot of that development are getting next to nothing. I see no problems there....giving credit by listing a name means nothing unless a portion of the donations are credited to each person involved.

Yeah, i agree with this. A commynity rom would be great if we all put our heads together.
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I agree good idea.
the rom should be a generic rom

I am very much so interested in this idea, the question is, what kind of ROM would we be aiming to build? I'd be simply satisfied with a true, working AOSP build

I second Kaik!
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I'm working on trying to build from aosp
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I am glad to hear this. ROMCOM sounds like a good name.
Seriously though if you guys want to do a aosp then by all means do it. I just wanted to put the idea out there , if you want to get all nasty and make a baked out ROM then by all means do it. It was the concept that i wanted to see incorporated in this. It all love...

Yeah, a working community ROM would be a godsend. Look how CM worked out. If we could build and then submit for approval to one person, or the community as a whole, we could come out with something great.
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I think this is a great idea!!! We should do this for AOSP!! Im glad to help out even without donations but I'd take some too . Lets all get together on an IRC for planning this out imo? Want the channel to be #captivateaosp?

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I second Kaik!
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-1 for kaik!! lol

I don't know. I'll be the naysayer here, and say I think diversity is best. Cooperation? Sure. Trading ideas and being open and transparent? Yes. Trying to make everyone work on one rom, whether it's the one they want or not? I dunno

E_man5112 said:
I don't know. I'll be the naysayer here, and say I think diversity is best. Cooperation? Sure. Trading ideas and being open and transparent? Yes. Trying to make everyone work on one rom, whether it's the one they want or not? I dunno
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I'm kind of thinking along the same lines. Community stuff is great. I like the idea. And I also agree that it's a shame that some people end up getting lots of donations while the people that came before them making their ROM possible get nothing.
But like E-man said what about the normal diversity that we'd see with ROMs?
If everyone was working on only one ROM would they still have time to work on a ROM that has all the whistles and bells, and a ROM that has the bare minimum, and a ROM that has a fancy UI, and a ROM that....?

I'm all for this, but frankly I don't think there's a lot of incentive for the folks who know what they're doing to start working on something like this at the moment. We just got our first Froyo leak and the rumors are floating around about when this will become final. My point being, most serious developers aren't going to want to start working on Eclair when Froyo is really close to being on the scene.
That said, I'd love to see a project like this take place, and I'll be more than happy to test things, troubleshoot things, and help out where I can to support such a project

Like I said before this is a layout as long as the principles are applied then if some or few or different developers and contributors want to start another one or two then by all means do it! This principal should not be contained to just one ROM but used as a template for future ROMs. It's the communal monetary sharing that should always be applied in whatever ROM the community builds.

QAM 0.0 Alpha, AKA, The Agile Android Manifesto

EDIT, 12/12/10:
It looks like there is a ton of desire here and drive to get some major work accomplished. I just spoke with ferman via PM regarding the future of this project. I wanted to throw the idea out there, and I want to be a part of it, but I am (obviously) in no way equipped to lead such an effort. As I told him, I am much more the monkey-behind-the-keyboard writing code than the project manager at this point, and would happily contribute to any group that desires to further the Captivate's development.
So, without further ado, I hand the reins over to ferman and anyone else that congeals together as communal guidance. I'll be happy just to contribute code.
I thank everyone for their patience while I haven't been here to answer anyone's questions or even acknowledge everyone's involvement. Once I am done with release season at work, I only hope there's still room on the team for another monkey behind a keyboard!
I struggled with whether to post this in "General" or "Development" - I settled on "Development" as it is regarding, well...development.
If enough people are interested, I'd like to start the group development of a ROM, tentatively named "QAM". Cornerstones of QAM? No donations accepted, except for git submissions ("Free and In the Clear" - get it?); group development with specialization based on the team members' skill sets; widely accesible code with an emphasis on sound open source development practices; and clearly documented, well tested changes and updates.
With all of the drama here recently, especially regarding Axura, I think it's time that some of us try to steer this place back to what it used to be.
I'm an enterprise dev in my nine to five. As many have voiced, I have no doubts about my ability to develop a nice ROM for my own personal use. But I value my time, recognize that I am not as efficient in some areas (UI and UX, for instance), and understand from my professional life how much better of a result can be achieved when you've got a diversified team developing together.
Anyone that is a fan of Agile Development Practices will know where I am coming from. If anyone is interested in working together, let's start a dialogue here and now. If you're merely interested in flaming and thread crapping, move along - this isn't the thread you're looking for.
[EDIT - 12/06/10, 8:51PM] Posted an update within the thread. I didn't anticipate this much interest, but I'm glad it's there. I'm going to go through the thread tonight and start assembling names, etc.

i'm interested, but i dont really have any skills in relation to creating a rom or anything of the like. but if can help let me know!

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very.
i will gladly help where i can. i think this is a great concept and definitely brings us back to the roots of OpenSource Development.
lets please get this going. what do you need?

Nice
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I would like to offer my services. I loved supporting the Axura users and would love to support yours. I have a little programming experience, I mainly deal with ISS day in and day out though. Let me know what you think. I really think this could turn into something great!

vbhines said:
I struggled with whether to post this in "General" or "Development" - I settled on "Development" as it is regarding, well...development.
If enough people are interested, I'd like to start the group development of a ROM, tentatively named "QAM". Cornerstones of QAM? No donations accepted, except for git submissions ("Free and In the Clear" - get it?); group development with specialization based on the team members' skill sets; widely accesible code with an emphasis on sound open source development practices; and clearly documented, well tested changes and updates.
With all of the drama here recently, especially regarding Axura, I think it's time that some of us try to steer this place back to what it used to be.
I'm an enterprise dev in my nine to five. As many have voiced, I have no doubts about my ability to develop a nice ROM for my own personal use. But I value my time, recognize that I am not as efficient in some areas (UI and UX, for instance), and understand from my professional life how much better of a result can be achieved when you've got a diversified team developing together.
Anyone that is a fan of Agile Development Practices will know where I am coming from. If anyone is interested in working together, let's start a dialogue here and now. If you're merely interested in flaming and thread crapping, move along - this isn't the thread you're looking for.
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Sounds great. Even though I font know much about development myself, I would love yo help somehow(maybe I could be one of those highly cautious/thorough testers you were talking about).
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Sounds interesting. I'm interested in at least testing for you guys. I'd love to start coding for Android (BSc in Computer Science, but enjoy coding every once in a blue moon), but never got around to learning. I'll def keep my eye on this thread though, and help where I can

@OP:
Think this is an amazing idea! Definitely can see a lot come from this.
Idea though: you should maybe put up some slots to be filled so we can get some development teams, focused on their own individual part of the rom, together, so we know for sure that this will be great.

The most I can help with is being the app-writer-assistant XD.
I have yet to see a rom with its own app(s)(not counting DG's lbs launch) and I would love to see one with its own music player,notes,messaging, etc. I'm not experienced at all, i just know some java and I'm still learning android developtment(i got 3 big books next to me right now).
In fact I wouldn't be offended at all if you just say "no, thank you". I just really like the idea and I thought that if i proposed this it would at least give some initiative to develop custom apps with the custom roms and make this project that much more...unique

i'd like to see and participate in some REAL developement. A lot of these "devs" (especially the ones complaining) arent doing much developement and instead are just piecing together different things REAL devs have created into these roms and then trying to extort "donations" out of people. There's a select few developers frontlining the kernel developement that are doing real, good work.
imagine if we had multiple people creating roms like cyanogenmod on here...

I would be interested. I have done some android programming as well as some Other stuff. Never did any rom development but would like to give it a shot
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I can do 'modem testing'.. I travel for a living and encounter the various Freq's, EDGE, 3G, and believe it or not the pre EDGE network (cant think of the name at the moment, long day) almost every day.

Hey I wouldn't be much help in terms of development but I am willing to test anything you guys build
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i'd like to see and participate in some REAL developement. A lot of these "devs" (especially the ones complaining) arent doing much developement and instead are just piecing together different things REAL devs have created into these roms and then trying to extort "donations" out of people. There's a select few developers frontlining the kernel developement that are doing real, good work.
imagine if we had multiple people creating roms like cyanogenmod on here...
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This is exactly the sort of thing this thread and concept will help avoid. The Rom builders that are causing drama do alot of work. And we all benefit. Even if they are getting more traffic and donations than the ones doing the kernel and other mods and making them available for the Rom and kernel builders.
I don't mind seeing a little competition in the thread titles. And each dev has an opinion as to what's best and thus we have several different roms. But the bickering I've seen is ridiculous. But understandable. There are no rules in place. No required donation. No licensing on much of what's up. Its a bit of a mess.
Id love to see what a captivate oriented community effort will produce. Team whisky is great but not all that works on the vibrant works on the captivate.
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is this like the android syndicate in epic4G threads lol?

I'm in, PM me

i'm willing to flash as many iterations of this as you may develop. no technical expertise on my end though ...

I can test and am willing to learn any thing that will help with developing. I have strong computer background. Just new to android.
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im in for testing

Sick of silly dev roms

I always wanted to share this as some people call themselves developers in this forum by just removing and adding some apps and making roms "look faster". What they is actually going into the app called spare parts and choose the fast transition and fast windows animations. So why not trying these settings on cm7 and see which is faster people? Or any other rom developed by true developers!! I am not saying im against rom development but at least if u are trying to develop then do something unique and not a rom that even my grandma could do
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I agree mostly... the vast majority of roms available for us right now are just themed CM7. that's fine and dandy, but it's particularly amusing to me when people talk smack about CM7 being "slow" or "buggy" etc and then claim their new rom of choice, a CM7 variant, is the best thing since sliced bread.
that said, even theming can be a hell of a task, and extremely time consuming. I appreciate all of the work the development community provides to us (free of charge, mind you).

I don't see what you are trying to get at here. For a start I have tried just about every rom there is and I don't believe I have ever come across one that has window tansitions set to fast by default. We have a really good mix of devs here doing different things and do great work. You need to remember that devs build a rom that they like, quite often it is built for them and they choose to release it to the general public.
One of the great things about this community is choice. A rom that one person loves and another will hate, its all about personal preference.
Do you know anything about developing a rom? I don't but I knw a lot of work goes in to them and the devs do a lot more than change some settings on spare parts to make there rom different, better and faster than the next rom.
Your post in insulting to the devs that work really hard to give us something cool and awesome.
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Well said. You must strive to support to the best of your abilities, the development scene for this respective phone.
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There is a MAJOR difference between Chef and Developers, that's why we have the term Chef for non devs that make ROMs.

I never said not supporting TRUE dev!! Im referring to those that call themselves devs by removing and adding a few apps. Go into other handsets forums and see what i mean. For ouf g2 only a few deserve to be called devs. Thats what im saying..
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I know who your referring to, and if your not referring to someone in particular, there is someone who repackages stuff that offers nothing new and everyone wets there pants over it. Getting on my nerves somewhat.
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There is a MAJOR difference between Chef and Developers, that's why we have the term Chef for non devs that make ROMs.
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And does anyone actually use the chef title here on the g2 forum? No....
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I think this thread really exemplifies a major issue in the dev community: The lack of drive for a unified stable product whose basic functions all work properly across a cross section of devices.
Theaming is all well and good, but if MMS doesn't work and you have force crashes on multiple internal apps; what exactly is it all good for? If I can't boot up gps, then what the heck does it matter? If internal components and tweaks are confusing and ill thought out, then why the heck are they being shared?
I really think that the dev community needs to sit down across multiple devices & hash these issues out.

astriaos said:
I think this thread really exemplifies a major issue in the dev community: The lack of drive for a unified stable product whose basic functions all work properly across a cross section of devices.
Theaming is all well and good, but if MMS doesn't work and you have force crashes on multiple internal apps; what exactly is it all good for? If I can't boot up gps, then what the heck does it matter? If internal components and tweaks are confusing and ill thought out, then why the heck are they being shared?
I really think that the dev community needs to sit down across multiple devices & hash these issues out.
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Yohu know what your looking for? A stock rom....they all work! The devs here are pushing the boundries and taking our phones to the edge! Of course not everything will work out of the box and if they fixed everything before they released it they would have to deal with everyone begging for the next release.
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I know who your referring to, and if your not referring to someone in particular, there is someone who repackages stuff that offers nothing new and everyone wets there pants over it. Getting on my nerves somewhat.
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Thats what im talking about. I m glad someone agrees with me.. cheers mate
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kokoskokis544 said:
Thats what im talking about. I m glad someone agrees with me.. cheers mate
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Thought I was the only one too but did not want to be rude or sound ungrateful. I do appreciate every quote on quote devs work and passion for making us roms. But some of these are just stock with the equivelant of removing bloat with titanium backup. No system tweaks. Nothing really even changed. if anything they should just be called bloatless roms or something.
On another note, while I do get annoyed that a lot of stuff is just cyanogen with a slick of paint on it, obviously the work it takes to build a rom from the ground up is not easy. Otherwise we would see a lot more of them. I do understand that and do not take lightly how hard it probably is. Maybe the answer is let's port some roms from other phones? Like insertcoin for example? Or maybe all the devs that are just repackaging stuff get together and form something along the lines of what the bionix team does and all work together to make one super good rom.
I LOVE the choices we have with this phone. Its f-in awesome. But sometimes I feel like its just a placebo with really one 3 to 4 actual unique roms for our g2. I do not know how to make roms, so I'm not acting like this can be done overnight. But some of this just seems like common sense no matter what angle your coming from.
Obviously rmk is a rom god. And suilmagic seems like an up and comer. Pershoots kick ass. I thought for a minute there was many a rumor that eugene was heading our way, which if true would probably cause a dam near astronomical shift in this forum, hope there is some truth to that rumor. Those are devs that stand out to me, if I didn't say your name I just didn't think of you when I was writing this.
Thank you for indulging my two cents. I do not mean to offend anyone whatsoever. I appreciate everything you guys do for us. But let's not sugarcoat the reality of our situation.
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kokoskokis544, welcome to the club
what enrages me the most is the absence of detailed information on what exactly is done to the rom - goes against the community spirit.
I would like to research the changes myself and make sure there's nothing that can damage my phone.

actually, from my point of view, the worst thing is when someone does not give deserved credit - "Grab, use and forget"

petarpLab said:
kokoskokis544, welcome to the club
what enrages me the most is the absence of detailed information on what exactly is done to the rom - goes against the community spirit.
I would like to research the changes myself and make sure there's nothing that can damage my phone.
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I agree that is extremely annoying. And then you ask what is it in it or whats different from other roms and you get a "INSTALL IT STUPID AND FIND OUT"....YA WELL UP YOURS TOO

even decompiling a rom and making minor changes like adding/removing apks and tweaking existing settings takes hours of work. theming is even more time consuming. I don't think most people realize this. the work itself isn't "hard," but the amount of time you have to set aside to be able to do this kind of stuff is extremely tough to come by, at least for me.
in that respect, you should all be grateful for the time ALL devs and chefs, regardless of the substance of their contributions, devote to giving us new stuff to play with.

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even decompiling a rom and making minor changes like adding/removing apks and tweaking existing settings takes hours of work. theming is even more time consuming. I don't think most people realize this. the work itself isn't "hard," but the amount of time you have to set aside to be able to do this kind of stuff is extremely tough to come by, at least for me.
in that respect, you should all be grateful for the time ALL devs and chefs, regardless of the substance of their contributions, devote to giving us new stuff to play with.
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I'm glad there is at least one person here that share my point of view.
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I'm glad there is at least one person here that share my point of view.
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Make that two. I don't really see a reason to get all aggro over something that is free. As to something that "might damage my phone".... um.. what? To my knowledge, the devs (or whatever some may wish to call them) are not into the practice of putting out toxic software for us to download. To make sure, I use this goofy thing called judgement. I'll look at a new ROM, read the dev comments, wait a while, read the feedback comments, and make a decision. Not complicated. If there are a ton of bugs and problems, I'll wait until later versions come out that correct these issues. Or I'll choose another ROM. I honestly don't see the point of complaining about free services and a plethora of options. If people don't like all that, unroot and stay with stock software.

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I'm glad there is at least one person here that share my point of view.
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No, I'm with you too. While I don't know zip about development, I can appreciate the fact that it takes time and effort to create and upload a ROM, even one that is just a tweaked version of someone else's work.
While the OP seems to be complaining about one or a few people in particular, it seems that many people who post ROMs are doing it for the sheer enjoyment, or to create something unique for themselves. Then, they go out of their way to upload and post it on here for others to enjoy. Of course, giving credit when its due, and describing what has been changed (and what hasn't), as previously suggested, are all good points as well.
Its not like there is a whole lot of fortune and glory associated with calling yourself a "developer". If somebody is even calling themselves that, its probably due to lack of a better term, more than anything else. Its a bit cumbersome to go around calling yourself "Guy who modified a ROM for myself, and now posting it for others to enjoy".
Besides, if you don't like a person's ROMs, just don't use them or read his threads. Not enough ROMs tends to be the more common complaint, rather than too many (although obviously quality is a factor as well, not just quantity).

If you really wanna ***** about free services then don't use them, switch phones, go to a different dev community. People do this work for fun, they don't ask for money for the hours of work they put in. You should be appreciative for whatever ROMs we get ,especially if you don't "dev" yourself.
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ROMs ROMs and more ROMs

Can someone tell me whats up with the 50+ ICS ROMs? It's a bit concerning that all this effort seems to be put into reproducing the same exact thing. I think the community would benefit from cooperation rather than competition... But I feel like I must be missing something here, I am new to the Nexus S but not to Android, is there something about the Nexus S community that I'm not getting?
Not complaining at all, or should I say, I'm not trying to complain. I also want to point out that I appreciate the developers who pour their time and effort into our devices and help us to get the maximum value out of them.
(Want to note, I am running AOSP's ICS build and loving it.)

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Can someone tell me whats up with the 50+ ICS ROMs? It's a bit concerning that all this effort seems to be put into reproducing the same exact thing. I think the community would benefit from cooperation rather than competition... But I feel like I must be missing something here, I am new to the Nexus S but not to Android, is there something about the Nexus S community that I'm not getting?
Not complaining at all, or should I say, I'm not trying to complain. I also want to point out that I appreciate the developers who pour their time and effort into our devices and help us to get the maximum value out of them.
(Want to note, I am running AOSP's ICS build and loving it.)
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Hey Man, I am much similar to where you are right now. I am not new to Nexus S or Android, but I feel that the abundance of ROMs is a good thing.
Having so many ROMs shows that the device is still running very strong: Something Android phones NEED to have behind them.
On the other hand I dislike it. To all the developers out there, I think you guys are amazing and genius no doubt. So take the following lightly...
What people don't like to see when browsing for a ROM is a dozen ROMs that are all identical. We need something new and fresh, hence why I like MIUI.
What I think should be done is as you said, have co-operation to make one master ROM because we have hundreds of people in the Nexus S community ready to help.
Speaking on my behalf I HATE SO MANY ROMs Because I simply cannot decide which is best because they are all similar in many ways, and I don't have time to try each one out as much as I want to. I do like having these ROMs but when it comes to choosing one its a big choice for me.
Any feedback on this?

I agree with a not so great abundance or ROMs. But most are not devs. They are simply "chefs" because they never actually developed anything. They just price and scrap things from source to mods. Cm9, ASOP, Peter A(because of his radios and kernal) are devs. We have lots of chefs.
I made brickROM just because of this situation. Its never been done, but the community wasn't ready for it yet.
Either way you can tell what rom has Is "real" I would say there's about only 5
And its sad for new Android users that come here get presided by a catching slogan and rob themselves from using a much better rom
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What would you do if you don't like any of the existing ROMs? May be one is missing a feature you need, another just has too many features you don't want? The answer is simple -- create your own ROM, or modify an existing one... I think most devs just make the ROM they want to use as their daily driver and simply share it here (i.e. what's going on is not about competition, at least from my point of view)
It sounds good to gather all devs to create a ROM that suits everyone's needs, but IMHO it is nearly impossible to do that

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What would you do if you don't like any of the existing ROMs? May be one is missing a feature you need, another just has too many features you don't want? The answer is simple -- create your own ROM, or modify an existing one... I think most devs just make the ROM they want to use as their daily driver and simply share it here (i.e. what's going on is not about competition, at least from my point of view)
It sounds good to gather all devs to create a ROM that suits everyone's needs, but IMHO it is nearly impossible to do that
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But these futures found in everyone's ROM are just mods that you can flash. I flash 8 zips with every rom update but I know that a personal mix so I have no need to share it.
I'm capiale of changing my waklppaer
I flash custom font, and inverted apps with some tyranny Widgets and kernal. With gnex sounds. No reason to "cook" it. This is not development.
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suksit said:
It sounds good to gather all devs to create a ROM that suits everyone's needs, but IMHO it is nearly impossible to do that
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The CyanogenMod team pull it off quite well, all that is needed is a bug tracker and patch review system and boom! instant cooperation.
Maybe we have too many "chefs" in the kitchen

joenathane said:
The CyanogenMod team pull it off quite well, all that is needed is a bug tracker and patch review system and boom! instant cooperation.
Maybe we have too many "chefs" in the kitchen
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I am agree with you CyanogenMod need a bug tracker for CM9.

Here is an interesting fact in case anyone didn't know but MR. Cyanogen himself is rocking a Nexus S http://twitter.com/#!/cyanogen/status/153353404159234049
I wonder what build of ICS he is running, probably from his own private reserve...

joenathane said:
The CyanogenMod team pull it off quite well, all that is needed is a bug tracker and patch review system and boom! instant cooperation.
Maybe we have too many "chefs" in the kitchen
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I will be honest here and say that I personally dislike Cyanogen Mod for the most part. True that they are the gut best in performance, but if the only ROM I had was Cyanogen, I would not be very happy with it. I just think that for my favor, Cyanogen focus' so much on power, yet takes the look of the ROM as a after thought. The modified music on Cyanogen ROMs and the overall execution of his work lacks style and design, as if he first said "Make it fast, then maybe make it look ok" MIUI on the other hand has a great deal invested in how it looks which gives a very effective illusion of performance.
I think that the problem is we have so many chefs in that small kitchen and they have all made so many great dishes that sooner or later they will have eventually all used the same spices by some point, so we are beginning to lose that uniqueness in each one.

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I will be honest here and say that I personally dislike Cyanogen Mod for the most part. True that they are the gut best in performance, but if the only ROM I had was Cyanogen, I would not be very happy with it. I just think that for my favor, Cyanogen focus' so much on power, yet takes the look of the ROM as a after thought. The modified music on Cyanogen ROMs and the overall execution of his work lacks style and design, as if he first said "Make it fast, then maybe make it look ok" MIUI on the other hand has a great deal invested in how it looks which gives a very effective illusion of performance.
I think that the problem is we have so many chefs in that small kitchen and they have all made so many great dishes that sooner or later they will have eventually all used the same spices by some point, so we are beginning to lose that uniqueness in each one.
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The only problem with that is Miui uses CyanogenMod code as a base(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIUI#Development) and CyanogenMod 7 has the theme chooser integrated for easy themeing(check the last three links in my signature to see some themes I created for it).
I don't think any mod team have contributed more to Android than the CyanogenMod Team, they certainly have my respect for that.
I agree about the spices, all these chefs cooking the same exact entree and now which on to choose...

joenathane said:
The only problem with that is Miui uses CyanogenMod code as a base(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIUI#Development)
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It's a fact, not a problem.
Back on topic,
LGIQEXPO said:
I think that the problem is we have so many chefs in that small kitchen and they have all made so many great dishes that sooner or later they will have eventually all used the same spices by some point, so we are beginning to lose that uniqueness in each one.
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I believe at some point the community will decide which dishes live and which will die. I don't think people will keep posting ROMs if nobody uses it.

suksit said:
It's a fact, not a problem.
Back on topic,
I believe at some point the community will decide which dishes live and which will die. I don't think people will keep posting ROMs if nobody uses it.
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This^^ plus one thing, good all these chefs are popping up, that's showing a swell in number of people interested in development, in the end it can only have a positive outcome. Let em dev.
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suksit said:
It's a fact, not a problem.
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I obviously didn't mean problem in that sense, I meant it as in the 'problem' with his argument not the problem with CyanogenMod or Miui, I'm not sure how you interpreted it the way you did...
suksit said:
I believe at some point the community will decide which dishes live and which will die. I don't think people will keep posting ROMs if nobody uses it.
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what about the "noobs" who are instantly confronted with 20+ ICS ROMs and not a clue to which is worth its weight in salt?

joenathane said:
I obviously didn't mean problem in that sense, I meant it as in the 'problem' with his argument not the problem with CyanogenMod or Miui, I'm not sure how you interpreted it the way you did...
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Sorry if I interpreted it wrong (English is not my native language anyway ) I thought you're trying to imply that "since MIUI is based on CM, @LGIQEXPO shouldn't compare them together" or "if you like MIUI, it means you already liked CM." Just wanted to say that it is not a problem if one wants to compare those two.
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what about the "noobs" who are instantly confronted with 20+ ICS ROMs and not a clue to which is worth its weight in salt?
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Occasionally I'd see a thread titled "Help me decide which ROM is best" and the most popular answer would be "Why don't you try them all?" Yeah it would be madness to try all 20+ ROMs in a row, but I don't think anyone will do that.
Before flashing a ROM, I'd (suggest them to) read everything in the first few posts by the OP, and take a look at the screenshots (most of the time I can decide if I will like this ROM or not by these two factors) If those "noobs" are not too ignorant I believe they'll have a small list of ROM(s) they want to try (may be 4-5 choices, which is reasonable.)

I know it is on the same code, but I more so meant the apps that MIUI re-did for their ROMs, and how they offer a nice end user appeal.
What would be amazing is if all the known devs of these ROMs would just once come together to use their own strengths, and make a mast ROM out of it. MIUI Design and style, Cyanogen tweaks and speed, Peter A. stability, the overclocking everything! (I can't wait for that hahah )

you want fewer rom, get a ns4g. Although we only have a fraction of the roms found in the other forum, they all seem to have their own distinct character.

i was using an SII before this so i was a frequent on that part of xda.. they do have a separate page for original development and another one for development (being kitchen products)

Hey,
Just wanted to add my opinion in all of this that there are so many "equal" roms.
I as some mentioned on another thread am a chef to rom developing, and I don't mind.
Why I do this is because I don't have the time or knowledge to create Android source apps so I take what I think is the best from each rom and create my own.
For example for me CM9 is way to bloated with too many configurations and options I prefer a more real cleaner AOSP, something like Peter Alfonso (buglessBeast), but I do like the T9 dialer from CM9, so I cherry-pick that from CM9 and add it to a PA base.
Also for the notifications power menu I liked TeamKang one so I added that. That way I'm making my own custom rom to my liking and also I don't have to be flashing 20 zips every time there is a new update or wipe my phone
I just thought on sharing it just if some one has the same likes in roms I'm no asking for anything in return. Also I do this in my little free time.
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mandaman2k said:
Hey,
Just wanted to add my opinion in all of this that there are so many "equal" roms.
I as some mentioned on another thread am a chef to rom developing, and I don't mind.
Why I do this is because I don't have the time or knowledge to create Android source apps so I take what I think is the best from each rom and create my own.
For example for me CM9 is way to bloated with too many configurations and options I prefer a more real cleaner AOSP, something like Peter Alfonso (buglessBeast), but I do like the T9 dialer from CM9, so I cherry-pick that from CM9 and add it to a PA base.
Also for the notifications power menu I liked TeamKang one so I added that. That way I'm making my own custom rom to my liking and also I don't have to be flashing 20 zips every time there is a new update or wipe my phone
I just thought on sharing it just if some one has the same likes in roms I'm no asking for anything in return. Also I do this in my little free time.
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Thanks for adding your voice to the discourse.
If I was asked to offer an opinion on what you do, this is what I would say....
I think what you do is okay for you, but the problem is when you release it. There is a problem because as you state, you cherry pick features and/or "code" from other ROMs, and that can/will lead to issues for your user base. Lets take for example the T9 dialer, what happens when security bugs are found and fixed and optimizations make it into an update of the T9 dialer? Well that would mean you would need to update your ROM, but what if you're busy with your job or just with life and are too busy to get around to it? Well now your users of your ROM are without those security, bug fixes and optimizations, and multiply that by all the other pieces of the ROM that you cherry picked from other sources.
My point here to be clear is that due to the nature of your ROM, it will always lag in patches to security issues, bug fixes and optimizations and I think that is ultimately a disservice to your user base.
There is a value that you create, so I guess the question here is, does that value of bringing all these pieces into one convenient package outweigh the negatives of the lagging patches/fixes?
I mean no offense, and I hope this isn't taken as such, I just want to encourage some discourse on these things...

Asking Someone to Create a Jellybean ROM for Note 10.1

As you know, Jellybean has released worldwide. Now there are marked differences between the leaked version (slightly more features although more buggy) and the official release.
I'd like someone to develop one which incorporates some of the features left out of the official release and more. I realise the gravity of this request and it will require the skill of some of the best developers here.
The features I'd like are as follows:
The stock Touchwiz Jellybean etc with the addition of;
The ability to do split screen for third party apps, screen recording (with the option of including voice), flash, ability to rearrange mini apps to fit as 3 or 4 windows layout on a single screen see 3:27 on kingdenzel92's youtube video "Galaxy Note 10.1 (N8000) Jelly Bean Leak In-Depth Review N8000DDALI1". Youtube being incorporated into the video player so this can be moved around (this was in the Jellybean leak), make sure the switch is there which allows you to change between eraser in S-Note.
No messing around with other stock apps, or changing themes please.
Only the greatest of developers can achieve this task.
Thanks,
NASSAfellow.

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As you know, Jellybean has released worldwide. Now there are marked differences between the leaked version (slightly more features although more buggy) and the official release.
I'd like someone to develop one which incorporates some of the features left out of the official release and more. I realise the gravity of this request and it will require the skill of some of the best developers here.
The features I'd like are as follows:
The stock Touchwiz Jellybean etc with the addition of;
The ability to do split screen for third party apps, screen recording (with the option of including voice), flash, ability to rearrange mini apps to fit as 3 or 4 windows layout on a single screen see 3:27 on kingdenzel92's youtube video "Galaxy Note 10.1 (N8000) Jelly Bean Leak In-Depth Review N8000DDALI1". Youtube being incorporated into the video player so this can be moved around (this was in the Jellybean leak), make sure the switch is there which allows you to change between eraser in S-Note.
No messing around with other stock apps, or changing themes please.
Only the greatest of developers can achieve this task.
Thanks,
NASSAfellow.
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... Not sure if joking
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Lol.

I'd like someone to give me a million dollars... will it happen? Hell no.. I don't get people. If you want something and its not be offered by the community then learn to do it yourself and stop expecting everyone to do things for you. If you don't know how then do like the rest of us do and learn on your own. People need to take initiative instead of expecting to be spoon fed everything.
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nassafellow said:
As you know, Jellybean has released worldwide. Now there are marked differences between the leaked version (slightly more features although more buggy) and the official release.
I'd like someone to develop one which incorporates some of the features left out of the official release and more. I realise the gravity of this request and it will require the skill of some of the best developers here.
The features I'd like are as follows:
The stock Touchwiz Jellybean etc with the addition of;
The ability to do split screen for third party apps, screen recording (with the option of including voice), flash, ability to rearrange mini apps to fit as 3 or 4 windows layout on a single screen see 3:27 on kingdenzel92's youtube video "Galaxy Note 10.1 (N8000) Jelly Bean Leak In-Depth Review N8000DDALI1". Youtube being incorporated into the video player so this can be moved around (this was in the Jellybean leak), make sure the switch is there which allows you to change between eraser in S-Note.
No messing around with other stock apps, or changing themes please.
Only the greatest of developers can achieve this task.
Thanks,
NASSAfellow.
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It should also turn my stylus into a magic wand and my stereo speakers into 5.1 surround sound. Lets also not forget that it must turn my capacitive screen into a solar panel to sustain itself indefinitely without worrying about running out of battery power.
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This is a joke right?
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I used to call myself noob until I found this thread......
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I have no idea why you guys are so cynical.
This guy has given great ideas to create a great rom.
Yes, it requires a lot of skill and time to accomplish such thing, what doesn't? But it's not impossible, and it would be freakin' awesome.
Currently all i see in our development section are same roms with same functionality, just with different themes.(except CM of course)
There is no way i'm switching from stock, because there is nothing better, but if what he describes existed...

The real Joke is that stock 8013 is still ICS.
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There's nothing wrong with a "please build me a ROM" request as such, however I wouldn't expect anyone to pickup the gauntlet from a random post in the general section.
You'd be far better off installing one of the current crop of JB ROMS and then making specific requests in that thread, you may find that some of the current crop have most of the features you require anyway.

Nikoloz17 said:
I have no idea why you guys are so cynical.
This guy has given great ideas to create a great rom.
Yes, it requires a lot of skill and time to accomplish such thing, what doesn't? But it's not impossible, and it would be freakin' awesome.
Currently all i see in our development section are same roms with same functionality, just with different themes.(except CM of course)
There is no way i'm switching from stock, because there is nothing better, but if what he describes existed...
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No one said they weren't good ideas (or bad ones) The problem is this is a development community. It's not a ROM requesting forum. This forum was created for DEVELOPERS to come share ideas, mods, etc.. It was not created to serve the end user. It was not created for people to come requesting things. It is here for people who want to LEARN to make their devices better.. Not expect/request people to do it for them. I knew NOTHING about android 2 years ago and if I had this mentality I would still be a noob that didn't know anything but yet expected others to do it for me. If people are constantly spoon fed things then why should they learn? There are guys that have been using android a lot longer time than me yet I know tons more then they do.. Why? Because I read, I learned, I put in my time. I didn't just go around requesting whatever I wanted. If there was something I wanted and it was not offered by the community I LEARNED how to do it myself and this community gave me the knowledge to learn on my own.
da.trute said:
There's nothing wrong with a "please build me a ROM" .
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Actually you're wrong. It's very wrong to come to a development community and ask people to do things for you. Now if the OP actually wanted to learn something instead of being spoon fed, then there is nothing wrong with that. But to come to a development community where devs work for free and be like "I want someone to build me a rom that does A, B and C, now someone build it for me" Is just bad form and bad taste. If you want something that the community doesn't offer LEARN to do it yourself instead of imposing on others to do it for you

Too true graffixnyc and one of the reasons I stopped releasing roms on xda a while ago .
Too many people demanding ****e without any respect for the sheer amount of effort involved by people donating their spare time.
I always have been keen to encourage and support others to learn, but some people think that they don't need to contribute other than through criticism.
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Basically what people are possibly trying to say is that, xda is a community of developers who share their work amongst us little people, not Burger King where you can have it your way.
Point, requesting a new feature in a ROM for a Dev you support is one thing, but this thread is no good.
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The guy said just the idea to see if someone could create it but yes that ain't gon happen but put a 100$ bounty then devs will make it happen lol money talks!
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The Dev section is for development. There's nothing wrong with making a request for something you can't do yourself. He's not demanding anything. If your not talented enough to do it let alone try you shouldn't even be responding to this thread
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fards said:
Too true graffixnyc and one of the reasons I stopped releasing roms on xda a while ago .
Too many people demanding ****e without any respect for the sheer amount of effort involved by people donating their spare time.
I always have been keen to encourage and support others to learn, but some people think that they don't need to contribute other than through criticism.
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cool story bro