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Evo smoothness

What is the biggest reason that the evo isn't "Iphone" smooth? I got to play with a Nexus S at bestbuy a week ago and it really was "Iphone" smooth. Is it fps or something else in the system? Before anyone flames me understand that I love my Evo and would never give it up for the iphone, just a honest and curious question. Thanks in advanced
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I heard that the iphone uses the gpu for hardware acceleration of the ui. Android phones don't yet...
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Buff McBigstuff said:
I heard that the iphone uses the gpu for hardware acceleration of the ui. Android phones don't yet...
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I've heard this as well can anyone confirm?
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LoveisPeace2012 said:
I've heard this as well can anyone confirm?
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It's true; well to be 100% accurate, not all of Android is HW accelerated. Some parts are.
On top of that the iPhone 4 has a PowerVR SGX 535 GPU which is twice as fast as the EVO's Adreno 200 GPU. For comparison, the Nexus S has the better PowerVR SGX 540 GPU (twice as fast as the 535 in the iPhone 4) but iOS's hardware acceleration still makes the UI smoother than the Nexus S with 2.3. It's rumored that Honeycomb will bring full HW acceleration and that should bring it to iOS/WP7 level smoothness for the GPUs it will support.

Award Tour said:
It's true; well to be 100% accurate, not all of Android is HW accelerated. Some parts are.
On top of that the iPhone 4 has a PowerVR SGX 535 GPU which is twice as fast as the EVO's Adreno 200 GPU. For comparison, the Nexus S has the better PowerVR SGX 540 GPU (twice as fast as the 535 in the iPhone 4) but iOS's hardware acceleration still makes the UI smoother than the Nexus S with 2.3. It's rumored that Honeycomb will bring full HW acceleration and that should bring it to iOS/WP7 level smoothness for the GPUs it will support.
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Why is it that they didn't make it HW accelaterated since the beggining?
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LoveisPeace2012 said:
Why is it that they didn't make it HW accelaterated since the beggining?
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$$$$$$$$$$$

NewZJ said:
$$$$$$$$$$$
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I don't understand, they wanted money for what exactly? Isn't having HW accel. on in the first place even a better selling point than nothing?

Just install CM6 for super silky smoothness.
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LoveisPeace2012 said:
Why is it that they didn't make it HW accelaterated since the beggining?
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I don't know, could be a number of reasons. Android was first influenced by the blackberry OS and started changing it to be more iOS like once the iPhone was released. Could be that its taken this long to catch up to something which was lower in priority. Maybe it's because there are tons of GPUs on Android phones and its hard to support them all. A lot of the early Android phones were from HTC (which Google used to build the platform - G1, Ion, and only comparably, the N1) and had some pretty crap GPUs, maybe that held it back. Most likely it was a combination of these.
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The lack of 4g isn't going to bring me to use cm.

DarkManX4lf said:
The lack of 4g isn't going to bring me to use cm.
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That should change very soon.
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Vivix729 said:
Just install CM6 for super silky smoothness.
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It still doesn't come anywhere close to being as smooth as the iPhone.

_MetalHead_ said:
It still doesn't come anywhere close to being as smooth as the iPhone.
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IPhone might be smooth but the lack of REAL push notifications, lack of TRUE multitasking killed it for me but that was back when I had one. Don't know if its still the same lol but its overrated for sure if you ask me.
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Vivix729 said:
That should change very soon.
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Yeah I hope so.
So the bottom line for the UI to be smooth is hardware acceleration.... which is expected to be included in Android 3.0?

DarkManX4lf said:
The lack of 4g isn't going to bring me to use cm.
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Right!
Why would I give up a major part of the phones capabilities when I paid for the phone? Kinda kills the point
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sucks for you guys. i'm using myn's with net's 4.3 kernel and it's as smooth as can be.

dirkyd3rk said:
IPhone might be smooth but the lack of REAL push notifications, lack of TRUE multitasking killed it for me but that was back when I had one. Don't know if its still the same lol but its overrated for sure if you ask me.
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I don't disagree with you at all, but this thread is about the smoothness, not all the other features.
roflboxer said:
sucks for you guys. i'm using myn's with net's 4.3 kernel and it's as smooth as can be.
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Once again, still not as smooth as the iPhone.

_MetalHead_ said:
Once again, still not as smooth as the iPhone.
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my girl has an iphone. i'd say i can make a pretty accurate comparison, being able to hold one in each hand at the same time.
don't get all butthurt because someone is saying you're wrong.

I'm not butthurt at all. I should have said iPhone4, because that is what I was referring to. If she has an older iPhone then I would say yes, the EVO *can be* smoother. But If she has an iPhone4, then you need to get your eyes checked.

Wildfire GPU - Games not sure what to think

OK here is the thing i have checked on many website of the wildfires specs and it doesnt say if it has a GPU and allot of forums say it doesn't then i popped on the well knows site GSM Arena and it updated to saying that the wildfire has a
528 MHz ARM 11 processor, Adreno 200 GPU, Qualcomm MSM7225 chipset
so it has a Adreno 200 GPU but why doesn't it run games like other phones is it because the CPU is slow ?
my ZTE racer has a 600Mhz CPU and the same GPU ( if this is correct )
and it plays games much better.

ryanraven said:
OK here is the thing i have checked on many website of the wildfires specs and it doesnt say if it has a GPU and allot of forums say it doesn't then i popped on the well knows site GSM Arena and it updated to saying that the wildfire has a
528 MHz ARM 11 processor, Adreno 200 GPU, Qualcomm MSM7225 chipset
so it has a Adreno 200 GPU but why doesn't it run games like other phones is it because the CPU is slow ?
my ZTE racer has a 600Mhz CPU and the same GPU ( if this is correct )
and it plays games much better.
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It is incorrect. I believe they have inadvertently mixed up the specs of the Wildfire S and the Wildfire. I say this because it is the Wildfire S which has the Adreno 200 GPU.
We wouldn't have got such poor performance in games, and incompatibility in 3D games if the Wildfire did have a GPU.

This should be in the general section, not dev
And as 3xeno said, that information is incorrect. the wildfire does not have a gpu.

I can third this. If the wildfire had a gpu angry birds would be playable
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EDIT: in this post I meant to quote brilldoctor's post but can't do it now I submitted I'm only using tapatalk.
I wish angry birds was playable, well it is just not very smooth. I've tried so many different roms and oc configs but its sooo slow. It's a shame as I sold my ipod touch to buy wildfire so I could get into Android
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furrabbit.nh said:
EDIT: in this post I meant to quote brilldoctor's post but can't do it now I submitted I'm only using tapatalk.
I wish angry birds was playable, well it is just not very smooth. I've tried so many different roms and oc configs but its sooo slow. It's a shame as I sold my ipod touch to buy wildfire so I could get into Android
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Dude CM7 - angry birds works just fine for me

Background turned off then yes it is more playable.
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Guys, he is talking about Wildfire S (newer), not Wildfire (older). So yes. Wildfire S (!!! ) will have GPU

usblaidas said:
Guys, he is talking about Wildfire S (newer), not Wildfire (older). So yes. Wildfire S (!!! ) will have GPU
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Nope. Then how did he already test games like Angry Birds on the WF S? Besides, the WF S has a 600 MHz Qualcomm MSM 7227 CPU, not the 7225.
Lastly, if you go over to GSMArena, you can see this mistake yourself.

mishooo said:
Dude CM7 - angry birds works just fine for me
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What kernel do you use and any specific settings when it comes to overclock?
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furrabbit.nh said:
What kernel do you use and any specific settings when it comes to overclock?
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Stock, and, I can play it just fine even at stock clocks / mild overclock (537 - 595 Max, 245 Min).
As said, Just turn off the background at the start up screen. It will be far smoother then.

3xeno said:
Stock, and, I can play it just fine even at stock clocks / mild overclock (537 - 595 Max, 245 Min).
As said, Just turn off the background at the start up screen. It will be far smoother then.
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Ok thanks will give it a try. Do you suffer from any lag
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furrabbit.nh said:
Ok thanks will give it a try. Do you suffer from any lag
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Whoops, I answered in your other thread as well.
Anyhow, as I said, no, absolutely not. It runs perfectly fine, and, the only casualty as far as I can tell, is the battery, which seems to drain alarmingly fast when playing that, not too big an issue though, since it is to be expected.

3xeno said:
Whoops, I answered in your other thread as well.
Anyhow, as I said, no, absolutely not. It runs perfectly fine, and, the only casualty as far as I can tell, is the battery, which seems to drain alarmingly fast when playing that, not too big an issue though, since it is to be expected.
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Great thanks for your help.
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furrabbit.nh said:
Great thanks for your help.
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Ok so I tried Evey thing you said still get lag. Could it be the add free version I downloaded?
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You bastards . How the hell did you get angry birds to work at all? Mine just gives me a black screen with a bar at the top, which is obviously the bottom of what should be on my screen. Ninjump is the same. Probably some conspiracy by Telstra.
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jwils96 said:
You bastards . How the hell did you get angry birds to work at all? Mine just gives me a black screen with a bar at the top, which is obviously the bottom of what should be on my screen. Ninjump is the same. Probably some conspiracy by Telstra.
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With Angry Birds game, lock and then unlock the screen. The actual game screen will appear.

gurung_vishwas1 said:
With Angry Birds game, lock and then unlock the screen. The actual game screen will appear.
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OMG. Thank you. I would press the thank button,
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Mobile Web benchmark

The newest Qualcomm mobile web bench Vellamo, I'd say something new to try, I got 640 on 1.8.3 (froyo)
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I got 945 on my Galaxy Tab 10.1

Got 722 in GB
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This benchmark is crap and inaccurate.
Just stick to sunspider and browsermark.

I got 610 on 1.8.3. Its shame that samsung's tab carries the same core and ram, and still navigates much, much better, even if you disconsider this benchmark.

KingKuba13 said:
This benchmark is crap and inaccurate.
Just stick to sunspider and browsermark.
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Why is that?
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Because our phone failed in this test while SGS2 scores 940~

ofek said:
Because our phone failed in this test while SGS2 scores 940~
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Have you ever used an GS2 and an Atrix side by side? I love our phone man, but there's a reason why the GS2 is 20% more expensive on some countries than the Atrix with it's packed-to-full box and the lapdock together.

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Why is that?
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Go to the specific sunspider javascript test with it, which you can score 2200-4000 ms, meanwhile HTC sensation does 6000ms. Lower is better, btw.
The benchmark will still give you a lower score for it compared to the sensation.
So if all these phones are beating Atrix in sunspider/javascript they should be getting scores in the 1000-3000ms easily right......LOL
Great job Qualcomm, you are beyond a joke again. Trying to make your little turds Evo3d/Sensation look a little less pathetic when they get crushed in real web benchmarks.

KingKuba13 said:
Go to the specific sunspider javascript test with it, which you can score 2200-4000 ms, meanwhile HTC sensation does 6000ms. Lower is better, btw.
The benchmark will still give you a lower score for it compared to the sensation.
So if all these phones are beating Atrix in sunspider/javascript they should be getting scores in the 1000-3000ms easily right......LOL
Great job Qualcomm, you are beyond a joke again. Trying to make your little turds Evo3d/Sensation look a little less pathetic when they get crushed in real web benchmarks.
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Try using cf bench from the market. My evo3d smacks my atrix.
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inoskedu8o8 said:
Try using cf bench from the market. My evo3d smacks my atrix.
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Try using smart bench from the market....
Is your evo3d running @1.8ghz, doubt it beats Atrix with GB.
Evo smacks nothing.

Looks like LG 2x with custom roms is killing this benchmark. 2000 +

KingKuba13 said:
Try using smart bench from the market....
Is your evo3d running @1.8ghz, doubt it beats Atrix with GB.
Evo smacks nothing.
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No it's running stock. It does beat atrix with cf bench. Atrix beats it with quadrant though. Guys in the evo3d forum that are overclocked at 1.5 are smacking the sgs2 with cf bench. What does this mean in real world performance? Absolutely nothing. C'mon man I thought you knew.
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Xperia PLAY is better than Nexus S

Hi. If you read some reviews or Specs about our Play and Nexus S. There isnt much difference. You can see that Xperia PLAY is better than Nexus S. So Hardware is Supported for ICS
Dont compare the Play with Nexus One. Compare it with Nexus S xD
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Very Similiar hardware.

Even a lot of much older phones will be able to run ICS. As long as the phone has a GPU, which most of them have.

dannejanne said:
Even a lot of much older phones will be able to run ICS. As long as the phone has a GPU, which most of them have.
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mmmm...what? just because it has hardware acceleration doesn't mean all phones with gpu can run it.
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antispiral said:
mmmm...what? just because it has hardware acceleration doesn't mean all phones with gpu can run it.
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It pretty much does, just like apple, google will wan't as many devices as possible on there latest OS. Anyway the ICS SDK emu has already been ported to some very low end devices like the samsung galaxy 5 that only has a 500mhz cpu.
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[Q] T-30 or T-33 Tegra 3?

Been searching since the end of the key note and cant find an answer. What Tegra 3 is in the N7?

t-30 the t-33 is only in the transformer infinity currently

munsterrr said:
Been searching since the end of the key note and cant find an answer. What Tegra 3 is in the N7?
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T33 is the same crappy chip oced at 1.6ghz, ok higher bined or whatever you want to call it

greenstuffs said:
T33 is the same crappy chip oced at 1.6ghz, ok higher bined or whatever you want to call it
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Explain to me why the T30 or the T33 is crappy.

Thanks for the hasty reply.
Curious as to how Tegra 3s are bad. Must be that "its not the latest and greatest so its crap bro" mentality that has plagued the gadget world as of late....

I think people don't like it because it's proprietary and not open..?

the T30 version will be fine. same one used in the prime I believe. the one in the 300 is the T30L. this nexus 7 will be able to be easily overclocked also once rooted. thats if it has higher clock speeds in stock kernel but disabled. like in prime when it got ICS. might even be able to use the same EzOverclock apk install like on Prime.
is this using ddr2 or ddr3 ram? infinity pad uses new ddr3 ram with larger bandwidth frequency. over a ghz. I believe. compared to prime ddr2 which was around 540MHz. 300 has ddr3 but only slightly faster than prime memory. its still around 560 MHz also. I guess this lil 7in. would be fine with ddr2.

demandarin said:
the T30 version will be fine. same one used in the prime I believe. the one in the 300 is the T30L. this nexus 7 will be able to be easily overclocked also once rooted. thats if it has higher clock speeds in stock kernel but disabled. like in prime when it got ICS. might even be able to use the same EzOverclock apk install like on Prime.
is this using ddr2 or ddr3 ram? infinity pad uses new ddr3 ram with larger bandwidth frequency. over a ghz. I believe. compared to prime ddr2 which was around 540MHz. 300 has ddr3 but only slightly faster than prime memory. its still around 560 MHz also. I guess this lil 7in. would be fine with ddr2.
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its ddr3l

darkamikaze said:
I think people don't like it because it's proprietary and not open..?
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That would be my guess. Every Tegra device has had issues with all the closed source drivers. Even the maker for Linux said flat out FU Nvidia

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its ddr3l
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Where'd you see that?
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zelendel said:
That would be my guess. Every Tegra device has ad issues with all the closed source drivers. Even the maker for Linux said flat out FU Navidia
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Google will make sure the drivers are updated with any major kernel changes. We'll be fine.
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blackhand1001 said:
Google will make sure the drivers are updated with any major kernel changes. We'll be fine.
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We shall see lol. I see the same issue that the last tab had that used a tegra chip

Tegra is fine. People are hating because it got beat is some benchmarks probably
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Nitin985 said:
Tegra is fine. People are hating because it got beat is some benchmarks probably
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Anyone that knows put little stock in benchmarks. It has all to do with their closed sourced drivers. Even the man behind Linux said nvidia is the worst company Linux ever had to work with and stated and I quote. "FU Nvidia"
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Looks like its "lite" version T30L:
Tegra3wiki
Couple android sites mentioning T30l as well.

artukas613 said:
Looks like its "lite" version T30L:
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if so, that's the same one that's in the transformer 300 model. although not as powerful/high clocked as one in prime, it will be fine. its still a very powerful chip no matter which version it is. plus tegra3 has the best multimedia capabilities.

demandarin said:
if so, that's the same one that's in the transformer 300 model. although not as powerful/high clocked as one in prime, it will be fine. its still a very powerful chip no matter which version it is. plus tegra3 has the best multimedia capabilities.
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Hi demandarin, nice to see you in this forum too. Finally you will be able to root your own tablet. Lol
I've seen many benchmarks and the memory bandwidth on the t30l is much better and improved over the most common t30 tegra3. I hope they solve i/o issues with jelly bean
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josuetenista said:
Hi demandarin, nice to see you in this forum too. Finally you will be able to root your own tablet. Lol
I've seen many benchmarks and the memory bandwidth on the t30l is much better and improved over the most common t30 tegra3. I hope they solve i/o issues with jelly bean
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Beta testing for asus hasnt stopped me from rooting my prime..lol my prime is tweaked/modded out.

stefan.buddle said:
Where'd you see that?
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sorry about that i was wrong it is ddr2 clocked att 667

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