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Before I get to my point I want to thank all the devs for there hard work that they do in their spare time. They do it for free and hope that some of us donate to make it a little more worth their while.
Maybe it's just me or does it seem like the development thread is slowing down. I've noticed lately that most of the stuff coming in now is ports from other phones and updates for past builds. Theres not alot of new stuff rolling out. EDT seems to stay busy, but what happend to TW? I would have put money on having a stable 2.3 rom out by now to use as a daily driver. We also lost Eugene and leaked samsung builds seem to not be coming out as often.
Is our phone entering the twilight years? Are the dev's losing interest and working on other phones. I've played around with some of the new phones like the atrix and thunderbolt and i'm sure they could be a lil more interesting to build for.
I hope i'm wrong and 5 min. after I post this a new 2.3 rom comes out. It was fun when you flashed a new trigger rom and 1 day later the new bionix came out. This is a really nice phone and you have to really try hard to brick it. It's almost like Samsung designed it to be modded. Hopefully the devs can get inspired again or some new blood comes in to give us something new.
I think we need to be patient. One day there will be a leak for gb and things will fire up again.
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just relax man every phone goes through spells of development. I see you only joined in april so just wait, Whitehawkx had a mostly working gb port working minus the gps and we have CM7 and MIUI support now as well.
Be patient this phone is amazing and im certain development will continue for it for some time.
In the mean time flash a miui beta or try out the EDT roms you wont be disappointed.
Lets not forget Simply Galaxy v3 a 2.3.3 rom. Yes still developing but stable.
Once we get a proper kernel you'll see more Gingerbread roms as for right now you have a ton of quality 2.2.1 and 2.2 roms to chose from.
Of course the OP is welcome to start developing on their own and contribute.
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u guys keep us coming back for more every day and i thank you for that! great job on all this.
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Lets not forget Simply Galaxy v3 a 2.3.3 rom. Yes still developing but stable.
Once we get a proper kernel you'll see more Gingerbread roms as for right now you have a ton of quality 2.2.1 and 2.2 roms to chose from.
Of course the OP is welcome to start developing on their own and contribute.
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Yes, but point being is that we're pretty much at the mercy of Samsung & T-Mobile to release a 2.3.
We will not have a kernel source to play with until it releases for I9K, and even then we'll have issues for a while. And we won't have one with rockin' battery life until we get a leak or source.
But yeah, there really isn't much developing coming from anyone except the guys working on kernels & people like Whitehawk, sonique, and of course Untermench who actaully modify the code. Because there's not much else to do.
Things are winding down. There are only a handful of people around who have the knowledge and inclination to roll their own ROMs.
As newer devices with more capabilities are introduced (the dual core LG G2X will be in T-mobile stores April 20th), then the older ones lose favor.
That is how it is with Android. Your 8 month old phone becomes old. After 15 months its an antique!
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Lets not forget Simply Galaxy v3 a 2.3.3 rom. Yes still developing but stable.
Once we get a proper kernel you'll see more Gingerbread roms as for right now you have a ton of quality 2.2.1 and 2.2 roms to chose from.
Of course the OP is welcome to start developing on their own and contribute.
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I actually have tried to develop a theme to post here but there is so much involved with all the editing and i simply don't have the time. I really wish I did. Trust me I have a great respect for what the dev's do once I started playing around with just a theme. I can only imagine what a rom would take. Plus I can honestly say i'm not skilled enough to put out a quality rom any time soon, if ever. I'm really not complaining about effort or quantity from the devs, i've just noticed lately there seems to be a dull in the dev section. I was just wondering why.
Eugene is back. He said on twitter that he bought a Vibrant. You can see evidence, his newest Ginger Clone version has already had 4 updates.
Sure a lot of the development is for 2.2 and 2.2.1 roms, but I'd say we're easily WAY more active than we used to be. We've now got plenty of choices of roms, kernels, and themes. We've also got new people joining the Vibe development scene. There's an experimental Gingerbread Sense that's just started testing. We are now officially supported by the MIUI team. I see new things happening every day. Development doesn't always happen overnight, but I believe we've still got lots of good things look forward to.
Slowing down? I still remember when there was only one rom in the dev section. Now there's a new one each week, and at least one update every day.
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Things are winding down. There are only a handful of people around who have the knowledge and inclination to roll their own ROMs.
As newer devices with more capabilities are introduced (the dual core LG G2X will be in T-mobile stores April 20th), then the older ones lose favor.
That is how it is with Android. Your 8 month old phone becomes old. After 15 months its an antique!
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I still dont understand what people are trippin on. We have some blazing fast 2.2.1 ROMs and a few gingerbread ROMs that are stable. What functionality are people looking for int he Vibrant that we dont have?
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Slowing down? I still remember when there was only one rom in the dev section. Now there's a new one each week, and at least one update every day.
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Haha yeah I remember that too. But ROMs every week != good. Most of them are ports and aren't stable.
I really wish we could have AOSP roms so we could have TRUE development going on. None of this hack and patch stuff.
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I still dont understand what people are trippin on. We have some blazing fast 2.2.1 ROMs and a few gingerbread ROMs that are stable. What functionality are people looking for int he Vibrant that we dont have?
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They want CM lol (as do I)
Why do we keep having these threads. I rooted my phone late last year. I have been more then satisfied. I'm just glad to have a faster better phone than what I had originally. Just have some damn patience.
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Keep in mind the psychology at work here. Most of the people who get all angsty about this are rom comsumers, and not active dev's, themers, or kangers.
It appears that what we are experiencing now is a lot of cross development, taking existing roms from the international i9000 and porting them to our universe thanks to the availability of kernel source for 2.2. So the nature of activity has changed, but the scope has actually expanded.
This phone (thanks to dev work here @ XDA) stopped sucking ass A VERY LONG TIME AGO. Gains to be had at this point are largely cosmetic, so there is the appearance that improvements are not coming at the rate they used to. The fact of the matter is that quantitative improvements are largely unnecessary at this point.
As a "consumer" myself (I gave up on linux development a long time ago, owing to my own inherent laziness) I find the current state of affairs quite amazing. Your mileage may vary. YMMV.
What's funny is that people much prefer a broken ROM that gets fixed rather than a fully working ROM out of the box ^_^
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Keep in mind the psychology at work here. Most of the people who get all angsty about this are rom comsumers, and not active dev's, themers, or kangers.
It appears that what we are experiencing now is a lot of cross development, taking existing roms from the international i9000 and porting them to our universe thanks to the availability of kernel source for 2.2. So the nature of activity has changed, but the scope has actually expanded.
This phone (thanks to dev work here @ XDA) stopped sucking ass A VERY LONG TIME AGO. Gains to be had at this point are largely cosmetic, so there is the appearance that improvements are not coming at the rate they used to. The fact of the matter is that quantitative improvements are largely unnecessary at this point.
As a "consumer" myself (I gave up on linux development a long time ago, owing to my own inherent laziness) I find the current state of affairs quite amazing. Your mileage may vary. YMMV.
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Well said. It's just like what happened when I had the N1, people started to complain because the roms were so stable there weren't many updates being released.
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I still dont understand what people are trippin on. We have some blazing fast 2.2.1 ROMs and a few gingerbread ROMs that are stable. What functionality are people looking for int he Vibrant that we dont have?
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i dont know either...
2.3 probably WILL be faster than 2.2 (duh) but besides the speed, we have everything else.
All thats going to be different is when you go into settings about it will say 2.3 gingerbread
instead of 2.2 or 2.2.1
the rest is good.
im on miui, and i switch between cm7 and miui once in a while
im never going back to 2.2.1
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What's funny is that people much prefer a broken ROM that gets fixed rather than a fully working ROM out of the box ^_^
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Very true. People want updates, but they don't know why.
If its not being updated as fast as it used to, chances are it doesn't even really NEED updating.
birgertime said:
What's funny is that people much prefer a broken ROM that gets fixed rather than a fully working ROM out of the box ^_^
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Well said. Someone just asked on one of my 2.2.1 threads why it was so quiet and my only thought was because everything works. Here it is everything has been fixed there should be nothing left to discuss here flash and enjoy.
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Very true. People want updates, but they don't know why.
If its not being updated as fast as it used to, chances are it doesn't even really NEED updating.
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That's the point for me. I stopped updating at KA6. Sure KA7 came out not long after, but why? I had been updating daily/weekly until then, always fighting some bug or flaw. With KA6, I flashed the ODIN version, removed bloatware myself, added the round battery icon, power off menu, and that was *it*. More recently I've updated the Kernel to Overstock 2.x and voodoo FS, but I'm not even sure why I need voodoo. Can't tell a difference in the real speed of the phone.
I didn't take the phone apart to add FFC like so many did (and who also never use it in most cases), so I don't need improved support for that... and themes, well... I guess there is that, not much going on in KA6 themes -- but that doesn't affect the use of the phone at all.
KA6 for me has been fast, stable, and by far the best on battery life of any I've touched yet. There are few if any programs out there that require 2.3 or higher, and until that is the case, why change?
The atmosphere is totally different than it was last fall, when the rest of the world was going 2.2 and Vibrant was stuck on 2.1. At that time, there were an increasing number of programs that simply would not work on Eclair - plus Froyo had been promised as an update. Now we have everything Samsung promised, and really if you're running a lightly modded ROM, it *is* bug-free.
So... until I am forced to consider 2.3, I'm sticking with KA6.. It is nice after years of constantly flashing upgrades on the HTC Vogue (wm6), then the G1, then flashing the MT3G constantly, then constantly flashing the Vibrant, to actually pick up my phone and have it work the same way it did yesterday.
i just wanted to say thanks to the folks at TEAMHACKSUNG . ive been running ICS on my galaxy s since yesterday. so far it is very nice . not quite as fast as cm7 but well worth the upgrade. known issues says gps doesnt work but mine is working fine with acurracy to 10 meters. thank you very much guys ! i couldnt post this in the development thread cause im a new poster.
Lol perhaps I should make the switch...
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I'm running beta1 of onecosmic and crew version, and I must agree : ICS on SGS is just plain great, and probably for most users usable as a daily rom, depending on your exact needs.
The look and feeel is really awesome, but many older apps feel clunky now !
Now if only Samsung could get there act together and offer to all SGS owner an official port .....
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Wonder how long for ics MIUI
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yeah looking forward to it
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Wonder how long for ics MIUI
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first betas afaik should be at start of december - so quite soon.
give ICS a try! running for a few days in my i9000B with minor issues only. You should have some experiencie with flashing before even consider to try
/me impatianlty waiting for the camera to work :|
ICS is quite astonishing, however its port for SGS is still in early BETA development stage so newbies should wait for the final release as it naturally suffers from some bugs. Devs are doing a great job and hopefully ICS project on SGS will be finished quickly... maybe it's going to be a Christmas present
Yeah, it is quite awesome. I think I can't go back I use gingerbread anymore.
I does run very well who needs samsung
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I does run very well who needs samsung
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...Um, we do? Wouldn't have the phone otherwise!
'Hey guys, I've just ported ICS to the Samsung Galaxy S (that rhymes!), let me know your thoughts!'
'The what? Who's Samsung? :S'
I tried the ICS port for about 3 days, it running pretty smooth for a BETA, but... I came back to CM7.
I don't really see any advantages of the ICS compared to GB. The menus looks a bit fancier than GB, but I can't see any other advantages. Some apps don't work because they are not optimized for ICS, like facebook sync and some other apps. It still lags more than CM7 (for now). And I really like the toggles on the status bar on CM7, I cannot have them on the ICS port.
What do you guys like so much about ICS that you can't have on CM7??
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What do you guys like so much about ICS that you can't have on CM7??
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Full GPU rendering/HW acceleration.
Xbto said:
I tried the ICS port for about 3 days, it running pretty smooth for a BETA, but... I came back to CM7.
I don't really see any advantages of the ICS compared to GB. The menus looks a bit fancier than GB, but I can't see any other advantages. Some apps don't work because they are not optimized for ICS, like facebook sync and some other apps. It still lags more than CM7 (for now). And I really like the toggles on the status bar on CM7, I cannot have them on the ICS port.
What do you guys like so much about ICS that you can't have on CM7??
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ICS is the bigest android makeover so far and to say is not that different than GB is big understatement . I've been using android since Cupcake and ICS is the bigest change so far. And I,m loving it.
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I love ICS as well, but there are many features of touchwiz that I find necessary, like the toggles in the notification bar.
I've been resisting it, but all the good things I keep reading about these ICS ports, I think I might have a go!
lol thats what I am worried about, so I am going to take everyone positive comments in for now.
then when ICS is close to being perfect (like official release version) i will make the switcharoooooo.
I have tried alpha6 version but i was missing FM radio so I switched back to official rom. I am seriously missing smart dialing in ICS. Is it possible to port it to ICS??
Many thanks to devs
Great work
kotva531 said:
I have tried alpha6 version but i was missing FM radio so I switched back to official rom. I am seriously missing smart dialing in ICS. Is it possible to port it to ICS??
Many thanks to devs
Great work
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This may sound stupid, but what exactly is smart dialing? :|
Take a look at this!
http://www.cyanogenmod.com/blog/cm9-progress-update
So will our device be from the first to get it?
Shadow_Android said:
our device be from the first to get it?
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Where does it day that?
Take a look at this link for a more detailed post!
CM9 Progress report
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Read caefull dave ...he speculated by stating so will our device? Not our device......read...not rush my friend...
kinda sucks that Motorola Droid users are getting dropped.
But I imagined it was only a matter of time...
The hardware is starting to get limited.
But I wonder if a dual core phone will be the last phone I will ever buy?
It would take quite some time for the OS to exceed the power of a dual core phone.
I think there's a pretty good chance the G2 will be one of the first devices, based on this update.
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The first devices ... that we’ll have ready will mostly likely be devices based on OMAP4, MSM8660/7X30, and Exynos.
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The G2's SOC is based on the MSM7230 chip:
http://www.htc.com/us/products/t-mobile-g2/#tech-specs
We'll see what the future holds. Very much looking forward to trying out ICS!
Humm!! I do not see a lot of change for the MSM7230 on cyanogen's git
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But I wonder if a dual core phone will be the last phone I will ever buy?
It would take quite some time for the OS to exceed the power of a dual core phone.
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Surely it's down to how much CPU the apps use, rather than the OS ?
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Well, Cyanogenmod himself owns a G2, so he'd be working on it personally.
Amy news here? I see a new room based on the cm9 code, but no word on the actual cm9...
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I'm also very much looking forward to CM9 for the Desire Z.
All good things come to those who wait!
"The first devices that we’ll have ready will mostly likely be devices based on OMAP4, MSM8660/7X30,"
Sounds Desire Z is surely had the arrow on the knee ...
Hope they got the graphical and camera driver developed better than the current ported/AOSP based ICS.
I posted this the other day in the CM7 thread in the dev forum :
Update on CM9 from Cyanogen (Steve Kondik) himself :
We've been seeing some alpha builds of CM9 for a few devices. Where are things at right now?
We’re working on adding a lot of new features ... the theme engine needs to be totally rebuilt. Overall things are going to be a lot cleaner. The CM settings will all be integrated into the stock control panel. Everything in it's place, where it should be. The hardeset thing about CM9 is that Google has changed so much internally with ICS. Issues with graphics drivers are an issue. We can’t even write a transition layer to use. We’re just waiting on Google at this point. I’ve ported CM9 to the galaxy tab 10.1, but with no hardware acceleration... well, it just sucks. A lot of things don't work. We're not going to release something at this stage of development.
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Looks like it's not going to be very soon.
By the way, I clarified with Steve that it is not Google they are waiting on, but graphics drivers from official vendor ICS updates.
Source : http://rootzwiki.com/_/articles/meet-the-devs-cyanogen-r318
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steviewevie said:
I posted this the other day in the CM7 thread in the dev forum :
Update on CM9 from Cyanogen (Steve Kondik) himself :
Looks like it's not going to be very soon.
By the way, I clarified with Steve that it is not Google they are waiting on, but graphics drivers from official vendor ICS updates.
Source : http://rootzwiki.com/_/articles/meet-the-devs-cyanogen-r318
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Thanks for the update, I have to admit though that I am becoming more and more impatient.
But, I know it will be worth the wait.
I have also been waiting impatiently for CM9, i've been a die-hard CM user since my G1...but a good alternative until they are done is Virtuous Quattro...right now at RC2, but it runs very well on my G2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1428866
thecompyoda said:
I have also been waiting impatiently for CM9, i've been a die-hard CM user since my G1...but a good alternative until they are done is Virtuous Quattro...right now at RC2, but it runs very well on my G2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1428866
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I've been following the thread and there seems to still be many glitches in RC2. Does it run smoothly on your phone? Also does the camera work if u use a 3rd party app? I'm think of switching over to virtuous quattro
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Virtuous Quattro is pretty cool, and once the display issues stabilize, it will probably get a permanent place on my phone unless cm9 blows me away.
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thecompyoda said:
I have also been waiting impatiently for CM9, i've been a die-hard CM user since my G1...but a good alternative until they are done is Virtuous Quattro...right now at RC2, but it runs very well on my G2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1428866
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I think I may try this one Monday. I had a replacement phone sent to me last week because of a display issue (turning shades of green and sometimes not waking up). The replacement they sent me is now going into a boot cycle when I try and turn on the WiFi, and it doesn't find any networks. Plus, I updated the stock Froyo to Gingerbread, and it looks like a pain somewhat to downgrade.
So maybe when I get the new one in Monday it will have stock Froyo and I can root and install the Virtuous Quattro ROM then.
Maybe you guys can answer a question since I am thinking about it now, if I do root it and everything with stock Froyo, do I just make a backup with ClockworkMod to keep the stock image?
my ics experience: virtuous quattro RC2, Andromadus Alpha 8, ICS Slim 1.2
I tried all three ICS ROMs on my G2 this weekend. Kudos to the devs -- they are all worthy projects. I am back to CM7, though while waiting for CM9 or a more stable version of the other three. Here is my feedback:
Virtuous Quattro RC2:
This is an impressive ROM, but definitely not RC -- the launcher display glitch is a showstopper if only for aesthetic reasons. I'm glad that the camera hack exists (progress!), but it's not yet usable, or at least not reliable. It often crashes, doesn't show preview until the second picture, and often corrupts part of the photo. Also, no wifi-calling which is a must have for many T-Mobile G2 users.
Andromadus Alpha 8:
This ROM is more stable than Virtuous Quattro in terms of visual glitches, but it lacks camera and wifi-calling. I missed some of the settings and features built into Quattro.
ICS Slim 1.2
This ROM performs quite nicely and is definitely slim. I missed the stock Email app, but it was easy to add back in by unzipping an ICS Gapps file. Wifi-calling is installed but not working for me. I was able to launch the app, and get the icon in the notification bar, but wasn't able to actually place or receive calls. Incoming calls were ignored, and outgoing calls would spin on dialing for about 20 seconds, and then end with a beep.
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I have to admit though that I am becoming more and more impatient.
But, I know it will be worth the wait.
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Same here I was thinking we'd see CM9 sometime in february but by the looks of things and how slow the development is, I can only hope for march/april
Ok so after more than a week of reading forums here and there.. videos, etc.. and knowing that Samsung dropped an incomplete work maybe for devs to improve it or whatever their intentions are..
And because my favorite group of devs are working on ChkRom v7.... and I have no intention to be burned alive if I ask for it...
Up today considering all the "uglyficial" ICS Roms out there... What would be the more stable and usable to give it a try UP TODAY AT THIS TIME I mean now.??? Dont get me wrong this a friendly question and just wondering to know...cuz even if ICS tastes like sh*t... I need to flash something and at least verify it by myself it is a piece of that or if it worths the try..
Thanks fellas...
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try Foxhound's ROM, I think it has the most AOSP apps included.
I'm personally waiting for the camcorder to be fixed on the CM9.Sammy really spoiled ICS.
MIUI V4 is also good, its based on Touchwiz ICS so all the Samsung apps will work.The current build is a bit laggy but hopefully this or next weeks build will be more stable.
Best thing is to wait a few days. You'll only end up having to go through the whole backup/wipe/flash thing again when these guys get around using the kernel sauce.
GB rules .
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Why is it every day we get a thread "what is the best rom " or "what is the difference" and all the other crap stupid posts, can people not make there own minds up these days.
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Hi, first of all i'm really thankful to all atrix dev team n all dev members on xda :good:
they r doing very good job working hard to make people happy we r really appreciate that.. Thanks to all dev :good:
Atrix stable ICs Jellybean port plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
This request has been made on both the ICS and the JB versions. The answer remains the same. Until the 2.6.39.4 kernel is finished being dev'd, all roms are as stable as they can get. There are 3 kernels on the table for the more advanced android versions. 1. The ICS leak kernel. 2. The Galaxy R kernel. 3. The Xoom kernel. The ICS leak kernel is what you see the most of. Galaxy R kernel is more well known than the Xoom kernel dev. Galaxy R kernel dev may be observed in android dev under the ICS/JB kernel thread. The Xoom kernel is a quiet project that is mentioned in either the cm 9 or cm 10 rom that poped up a few days ago. The thread mentions "that kernel" in the thread title, and the user has toyota in their s/n.
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On a lighter(?) note:
I was expecting to see many replies tearing OP a new one. What happened to you Atrix 4G General?
Saw the title and got excited.
What the hell is this? Ban this guy.
I don't even understand what the op planned on accomplishing here.
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I don't even understand what the op planned on accomplishing here.
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I think it was a request for stable ICS or JB port, like somehow requesting it is going to make it happen faster because in the months (14?) since ICS was released, developers have been standing idly by waiting for this one specific request to build a stable ICS or JB ROM.
As for why there wasn't some kind of massive burn, it's kinda like poking a bee hive when all the bees have moved on to a new nest. Oh well, anything to keep this section of the forums alive I guess.
I think the OP was hoping for a good flaming. Trolls gonna troll.
are any of the ICS/JB roms for the Atrix ready for daily usage yet?
Depends on your needs. If you want strictly phone functions and don't care about anything else, then yes.
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Depends on your needs. If you want strictly phone functions and don't care about anything else, then yes.
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But then why would you feel the need to upgrade?
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But then why would you feel the need to upgrade?
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Because some people are stuck with the device and want to at least have the chance to try ICS or JB themselves, especially since ICS was officially released over a year ago. For some people the basic functionality of ICS or JB is worth losing camera/ camcorder, and hardware acceleration, or at least until they find they need those for something. For me it was fun to try, and a bit depressing to have to revert back to GB, but the loss of camera/camcorder functionality was too much and the things I wanted ICS for in the first place just didn't work.