Before I get to my point I want to thank all the devs for there hard work that they do in their spare time. They do it for free and hope that some of us donate to make it a little more worth their while.
Maybe it's just me or does it seem like the development thread is slowing down. I've noticed lately that most of the stuff coming in now is ports from other phones and updates for past builds. Theres not alot of new stuff rolling out. EDT seems to stay busy, but what happend to TW? I would have put money on having a stable 2.3 rom out by now to use as a daily driver. We also lost Eugene and leaked samsung builds seem to not be coming out as often.
Is our phone entering the twilight years? Are the dev's losing interest and working on other phones. I've played around with some of the new phones like the atrix and thunderbolt and i'm sure they could be a lil more interesting to build for.
I hope i'm wrong and 5 min. after I post this a new 2.3 rom comes out. It was fun when you flashed a new trigger rom and 1 day later the new bionix came out. This is a really nice phone and you have to really try hard to brick it. It's almost like Samsung designed it to be modded. Hopefully the devs can get inspired again or some new blood comes in to give us something new.
I think we need to be patient. One day there will be a leak for gb and things will fire up again.
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just relax man every phone goes through spells of development. I see you only joined in april so just wait, Whitehawkx had a mostly working gb port working minus the gps and we have CM7 and MIUI support now as well.
Be patient this phone is amazing and im certain development will continue for it for some time.
In the mean time flash a miui beta or try out the EDT roms you wont be disappointed.
Lets not forget Simply Galaxy v3 a 2.3.3 rom. Yes still developing but stable.
Once we get a proper kernel you'll see more Gingerbread roms as for right now you have a ton of quality 2.2.1 and 2.2 roms to chose from.
Of course the OP is welcome to start developing on their own and contribute.
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u guys keep us coming back for more every day and i thank you for that! great job on all this.
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Lets not forget Simply Galaxy v3 a 2.3.3 rom. Yes still developing but stable.
Once we get a proper kernel you'll see more Gingerbread roms as for right now you have a ton of quality 2.2.1 and 2.2 roms to chose from.
Of course the OP is welcome to start developing on their own and contribute.
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Yes, but point being is that we're pretty much at the mercy of Samsung & T-Mobile to release a 2.3.
We will not have a kernel source to play with until it releases for I9K, and even then we'll have issues for a while. And we won't have one with rockin' battery life until we get a leak or source.
But yeah, there really isn't much developing coming from anyone except the guys working on kernels & people like Whitehawk, sonique, and of course Untermench who actaully modify the code. Because there's not much else to do.
Things are winding down. There are only a handful of people around who have the knowledge and inclination to roll their own ROMs.
As newer devices with more capabilities are introduced (the dual core LG G2X will be in T-mobile stores April 20th), then the older ones lose favor.
That is how it is with Android. Your 8 month old phone becomes old. After 15 months its an antique!
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Lets not forget Simply Galaxy v3 a 2.3.3 rom. Yes still developing but stable.
Once we get a proper kernel you'll see more Gingerbread roms as for right now you have a ton of quality 2.2.1 and 2.2 roms to chose from.
Of course the OP is welcome to start developing on their own and contribute.
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I actually have tried to develop a theme to post here but there is so much involved with all the editing and i simply don't have the time. I really wish I did. Trust me I have a great respect for what the dev's do once I started playing around with just a theme. I can only imagine what a rom would take. Plus I can honestly say i'm not skilled enough to put out a quality rom any time soon, if ever. I'm really not complaining about effort or quantity from the devs, i've just noticed lately there seems to be a dull in the dev section. I was just wondering why.
Eugene is back. He said on twitter that he bought a Vibrant. You can see evidence, his newest Ginger Clone version has already had 4 updates.
Sure a lot of the development is for 2.2 and 2.2.1 roms, but I'd say we're easily WAY more active than we used to be. We've now got plenty of choices of roms, kernels, and themes. We've also got new people joining the Vibe development scene. There's an experimental Gingerbread Sense that's just started testing. We are now officially supported by the MIUI team. I see new things happening every day. Development doesn't always happen overnight, but I believe we've still got lots of good things look forward to.
Slowing down? I still remember when there was only one rom in the dev section. Now there's a new one each week, and at least one update every day.
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Things are winding down. There are only a handful of people around who have the knowledge and inclination to roll their own ROMs.
As newer devices with more capabilities are introduced (the dual core LG G2X will be in T-mobile stores April 20th), then the older ones lose favor.
That is how it is with Android. Your 8 month old phone becomes old. After 15 months its an antique!
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I still dont understand what people are trippin on. We have some blazing fast 2.2.1 ROMs and a few gingerbread ROMs that are stable. What functionality are people looking for int he Vibrant that we dont have?
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Slowing down? I still remember when there was only one rom in the dev section. Now there's a new one each week, and at least one update every day.
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Haha yeah I remember that too. But ROMs every week != good. Most of them are ports and aren't stable.
I really wish we could have AOSP roms so we could have TRUE development going on. None of this hack and patch stuff.
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I still dont understand what people are trippin on. We have some blazing fast 2.2.1 ROMs and a few gingerbread ROMs that are stable. What functionality are people looking for int he Vibrant that we dont have?
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They want CM lol (as do I)
Why do we keep having these threads. I rooted my phone late last year. I have been more then satisfied. I'm just glad to have a faster better phone than what I had originally. Just have some damn patience.
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Keep in mind the psychology at work here. Most of the people who get all angsty about this are rom comsumers, and not active dev's, themers, or kangers.
It appears that what we are experiencing now is a lot of cross development, taking existing roms from the international i9000 and porting them to our universe thanks to the availability of kernel source for 2.2. So the nature of activity has changed, but the scope has actually expanded.
This phone (thanks to dev work here @ XDA) stopped sucking ass A VERY LONG TIME AGO. Gains to be had at this point are largely cosmetic, so there is the appearance that improvements are not coming at the rate they used to. The fact of the matter is that quantitative improvements are largely unnecessary at this point.
As a "consumer" myself (I gave up on linux development a long time ago, owing to my own inherent laziness) I find the current state of affairs quite amazing. Your mileage may vary. YMMV.
What's funny is that people much prefer a broken ROM that gets fixed rather than a fully working ROM out of the box ^_^
masterotaku said:
Keep in mind the psychology at work here. Most of the people who get all angsty about this are rom comsumers, and not active dev's, themers, or kangers.
It appears that what we are experiencing now is a lot of cross development, taking existing roms from the international i9000 and porting them to our universe thanks to the availability of kernel source for 2.2. So the nature of activity has changed, but the scope has actually expanded.
This phone (thanks to dev work here @ XDA) stopped sucking ass A VERY LONG TIME AGO. Gains to be had at this point are largely cosmetic, so there is the appearance that improvements are not coming at the rate they used to. The fact of the matter is that quantitative improvements are largely unnecessary at this point.
As a "consumer" myself (I gave up on linux development a long time ago, owing to my own inherent laziness) I find the current state of affairs quite amazing. Your mileage may vary. YMMV.
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Well said. It's just like what happened when I had the N1, people started to complain because the roms were so stable there weren't many updates being released.
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I still dont understand what people are trippin on. We have some blazing fast 2.2.1 ROMs and a few gingerbread ROMs that are stable. What functionality are people looking for int he Vibrant that we dont have?
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i dont know either...
2.3 probably WILL be faster than 2.2 (duh) but besides the speed, we have everything else.
All thats going to be different is when you go into settings about it will say 2.3 gingerbread
instead of 2.2 or 2.2.1
the rest is good.
im on miui, and i switch between cm7 and miui once in a while
im never going back to 2.2.1
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What's funny is that people much prefer a broken ROM that gets fixed rather than a fully working ROM out of the box ^_^
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Very true. People want updates, but they don't know why.
If its not being updated as fast as it used to, chances are it doesn't even really NEED updating.
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What's funny is that people much prefer a broken ROM that gets fixed rather than a fully working ROM out of the box ^_^
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Well said. Someone just asked on one of my 2.2.1 threads why it was so quiet and my only thought was because everything works. Here it is everything has been fixed there should be nothing left to discuss here flash and enjoy.
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Very true. People want updates, but they don't know why.
If its not being updated as fast as it used to, chances are it doesn't even really NEED updating.
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That's the point for me. I stopped updating at KA6. Sure KA7 came out not long after, but why? I had been updating daily/weekly until then, always fighting some bug or flaw. With KA6, I flashed the ODIN version, removed bloatware myself, added the round battery icon, power off menu, and that was *it*. More recently I've updated the Kernel to Overstock 2.x and voodoo FS, but I'm not even sure why I need voodoo. Can't tell a difference in the real speed of the phone.
I didn't take the phone apart to add FFC like so many did (and who also never use it in most cases), so I don't need improved support for that... and themes, well... I guess there is that, not much going on in KA6 themes -- but that doesn't affect the use of the phone at all.
KA6 for me has been fast, stable, and by far the best on battery life of any I've touched yet. There are few if any programs out there that require 2.3 or higher, and until that is the case, why change?
The atmosphere is totally different than it was last fall, when the rest of the world was going 2.2 and Vibrant was stuck on 2.1. At that time, there were an increasing number of programs that simply would not work on Eclair - plus Froyo had been promised as an update. Now we have everything Samsung promised, and really if you're running a lightly modded ROM, it *is* bug-free.
So... until I am forced to consider 2.3, I'm sticking with KA6.. It is nice after years of constantly flashing upgrades on the HTC Vogue (wm6), then the G1, then flashing the MT3G constantly, then constantly flashing the Vibrant, to actually pick up my phone and have it work the same way it did yesterday.
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So I've been messing around trying to see what I can get going on the froyo front and I'm running into some problems....
first off, froyo isn't a huge fan of the galaxy s hardware...in AVD, when I create the profile in terms of the captivate hardware and it is buggy even in emulation...this doesn't bode well for actual hardware use. Maybe I'm just really bad at development but I dunno...
So secondly, on the phone itself I thought i'd try to just send over the image to see if the phone would even accept it. While the bootloader seems to be fine and not too worried about accepting an image (the touchwiz 2.1) it doesn't want to accept the buggy froyo.
So i've given it some shots, but its gonna take someone or a group of people who're smarter than me to see why the bootloader isn't really unlocked and why the avd doesn't like the galaxy s hardware specifications
I brought up the possibility of not being able to run Froyo without it being officially released by Samsung first on the Phandroid forums and repeatedly was assured that it'd only be a matter of time until Froyo was released on it.
This is disappointing
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I brought up the possibility of not being able to run Froyo without it being officially released by Samsung first on the Phandroid forums and repeatedly was assured that it'd only be a matter of time until Froyo was released on it.
This is disappointing
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well it should work without it being specifically released (see aria, and every old HTC) but for some reason it's not. I'm probably just doing something wrong... i was a WM dev then an iPhone dev, I'm just learning the whole android development stuff
Read up on behold 2 development on androidforums.com and Eugene_ 373's forum on androidspin.com its very similar in structure to the galaxy s brand of phones. You can't expect Samsung phones and HTC phones to be in anyway simular. They use different file systems and partitions. So it is not a cut and paste job you need to do some heavy hacking.
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Read up on behold 2 development on androidforums.com and Eugene_ 373's forum on androidspin.com its very similar in structure to the galaxy s brand of phones. You can't expect Samsung phones and HTC phones to be in anyway simular. They use different file systems and partitions. So it is not a cut and paste job you need to do some heavy hacking.
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Do you think it can be done? Will we see Froyo before Samsung releases it?
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Do you think it can be done? Will we see Froyo before Samsung releases it?
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I and pretty much everyone that has followed the behold 2 debacle on androidforums.com have major doubts but I still believe there is potential. That's as much as I can say because some people on here don't like the fact that I don't have the same blind optimism as they do.
Also here are some posts that might help
http://forum.androidspin.com/showthread.php?p=12840#post12840
http://androidforums.com/all-things-root-behold-2/
http://androidforums.com/all-things-root-behold-2/63246-dev-needed-2-1-running-behold-2-a.html
Also I still might get a captivate if some good dev work is done. I don't need froyo before Samsung releases it and most of the added function provided by hacked and rooted roms can be added on to samsung roms. I am not getting a new phone for another month so if it looks like there is a lot of dev work done to this phone by then I will stay Samsung even though it might not get gingerbread.
psychoace said:
I and pretty much everyone that has followed the behold 2 debacle on androidforums.com have major doubts but I still believe there is potential. That's as much as I can say because some people on here don't like the fact that I don't have the same blind optimism as they do.
Also here are some posts that might help
http://forum.androidspin.com/showthread.php?p=12840#post12840
http://androidforums.com/all-things-root-behold-2/
http://androidforums.com/all-things-root-behold-2/63246-dev-needed-2-1-running-behold-2-a.html
Also I still might get a captivate if some good dev work is done. I don't need froyo before Samsung releases it and most of the added function provided by hacked and rooted roms can be added on to samsung roms. I am not getting a new phone for another month so if it looks like there is a lot of dev work done to this phone by then I will stay Samsung even though it might not get gingerbread.
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Just doing a quick Twitter search for "iphone captivate" yields 80% of the peope tweeting something along the lines of leaving their iPhone 4 for a captivate. Lets hope the Dev's share the same thoughts.
Hey I would just like to know if the Galaxy S has something. Can you go into Apps managment and look for an app called "device managment"? If it's there and at 40+ mb's then that is a recovery rom. It is a duplicate of your starting rom. You can clear it most likely to regain space but after a reboot it will come back. There is another partition on the phone that stores the rom and the phone will run a check on boot up to make sure it's there. If not then it replaces it. It can be hacked out permanently but I know the Galaxy S doesn't really have any issues about storage space.
psychoace said:
I and pretty much everyone that has followed the behold 2 debacle on androidforums.com have major doubts but I still believe there is potential. That's as much as I can say because some people on here don't like the fact that I don't have the same blind optimism as they do.
Also here are some posts that might help
http://forum.androidspin.com/showthread.php?p=12840#post12840
http://androidforums.com/all-things-root-behold-2/
http://androidforums.com/all-things-root-behold-2/63246-dev-needed-2-1-running-behold-2-a.html
Also I still might get a captivate if some good dev work is done. I don't need froyo before Samsung releases it and most of the added function provided by hacked and rooted roms can be added on to samsung roms. I am not getting a new phone for another month so if it looks like there is a lot of dev work done to this phone by then I will stay Samsung even though it might not get gingerbread.
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Very much apperciated, and the links were helpful on how this all will go down. This greatly changes on if I'll keep my Captivate. I know you should be happy with the phone you have, not the one you'll get, but I don't think I can stomach having a phone that won't be supported come Q4.
If the galaxy phones sell well it will be supported. They do have some phones that have gone from 1.5 to 2.1. Just don't expect any haste out of there crew
The fact that there will be an official release of 2.2 is whats keeping most devs from putting time into it. I know I wouldn't want to put a lot of effort into something just to have an official release come out before development is done.
Phlip00ws6 said:
The fact that there will be an official release of 2.2 is whats keeping most devs from putting time into it. I know I wouldn't want to put a lot of effort into something just to have an official release come out before development is done.
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true...
I was just messing around with the sdk and whatnot and thought what the hell I have a spare I might as well try
but i guess it's above my head. I'm gonna keep reading up on it though, I'm not the best coder (my expertise lies in c++) but I can surely give it a shot
Phlip00ws6 said:
The fact that there will be an official release of 2.2 is whats keeping most devs from putting time into it. I know I wouldn't want to put a lot of effort into something just to have an official release come out before development is done.
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Tell that to Cyanogen and Avalaunchmods and Herver who are all making FroYo ROMs for the Evo.
This sucks. I was kinda looking into replacing my 9700 with the Captivate and keeping at&t and Sprint both...
Phlip00ws6 said:
The fact that there will be an official release of 2.2 is whats keeping most devs from putting time into it. I know I wouldn't want to put a lot of effort into something just to have an official release come out before development is done.
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wrong.
See above post and also thing about the nexus one. 2.2 was released via cyanogen before it was officially released to the public.
And why would you want the official release from Samsung, which would still have the ATT junk and TW3.0, I want STOCK.
andy2na said:
wrong.
See above post and also thing about the nexus one. 2.2 was released via cyanogen before it was officially released to the public.
And why would you want the official release from Samsung, which would still have the ATT junk and TW3.0, I want STOCK.
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Yeah being able to remove the bloatware and using launcher pro and some of the stock Android apps like music is nice but still having to leave any TouchWiz stuff there is annoying. It will be the same on the official release just with 2.2 so I don't see why there wouldn't already be development for a custom ROM for captivate based off the stock Froyo 2.2 straight from Google. In fact this reminds me that I need to keep reading up and playing around so I might be able to do something even though it would only be for future development.
I'm not as concerned about 2.2 as 3.0...
If someone can get 2.2 running on this, then it bodes well for getting 3.0 running on this as well.
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I'm not as concerned about 2.2 as 3.0...
If someone can get 2.2 running on this, then it bodes well for getting 3.0 running on this as well.
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This. I'd love to see Gingerbread on this phone.
Can't help but feel as if the samsung fascinate dev scene is dead until the release of froyo. Especially since all the core work is already completed with compiled kernels, recovery, base roms and voodoo. The only thing worth changing anymore are themes and I haven't even been doing that. Correct me if im wrong but I came from a droid 1 and even at 2.1 the dev scene was way bigger.
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What exactly are you looking for? You can rearrange roms only so many times... I switched roms (d1) quite a fews times and realized there were never any significant improvements...
What this dev community has given us is decent (well maybe some more themes lol) until froyo comes about..
It would be nice to have more roms and such but you get what you get.
I noticed that too. When I had my D1, there were ROMS out the ass! Then I switched to this and have been very let down. If you want a boring theme, you're in luck! Otherwise, not so much.
I think part of the reason more people didn't jump on roms was because Samsung announced it would deliver FroYo within a month after release so creating huge numbers of 2.1 roms wasn't worthwhile at the time.
It's more or less a waiting game for 2.2 now. I think the devs are just waiting for it to drop before doing more serious work on the roms (at least a couple of people I know are).
I imagine it won't be too much farther out, within a month or so...
We saw the international version get froyo, and the Epic got theirs over the weekend, Vibrant was expected on Dec 1 but due to some circumstances it got pushed back a week or so by T-Mobile.
Stop complaining, devs are always busy and frankly do everything for us for free, these things take alot of time and effort. Frankly I'm amazed we have so much, the fascinate isn't the flagship that the D1 was for verizon despite how sexy its hardware is. And to be honest its hard, to imagine my phone getting much better than it is now with dj05 the latest voodoo 5 build and some awesome themer goodness.
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I think part of the reason more people didn't jump on roms was because Samsung announced it would deliver FroYo within a month after release so creating huge numbers of 2.1 roms wasn't worthwhile at the time.
It's more or less a waiting game for 2.2 now. I think the devs are just waiting for it to drop before doing more serious work on the roms (at least a couple of people I know are).
I imagine it won't be too much farther out, within a month or so...
We saw the international version get froyo, and the Epic got theirs over the weekend, Vibrant was expected on Dec 1 but due to some circumstances it got pushed back a week or so by T-Mobile.
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Sounds about right our device came out last to, I'm going samsung gives us an early christmas present, come here car dock audio out =D
what exactly is it you guys are looking for?
there are new kernels every day and the roms that are out are fine...theres really only so many ways you can reconfigure a touchwiz based rom anyway until there is an aosp breakthrough
I'm just happy to have what we currently have now.
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If Samsung released decent source code, there may be more ROMs than what is available now, but they didn't so everything had to be just stripped down versions of what shipped with the phone. The devs have been trying to get an AOSP rom going, but I don't know the status of that.
I think there would be some AOSP roms out there. Feels like all the roms out there are based of JTs and the others are just themed. Love the kernal development from everyone. I'm actually rocking a stock rom with StupidFast because I prefer the stock feel. I wouldn't mind a nice stock rom with the some memory management improvements, removed bloat and bing removed.
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what exactly is it you guys are looking for?
there are new kernels every day and the roms that are out are fine...theres really only so many ways you can reconfigure a touchwiz based rom anyway until there is an aosp breakthrough
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I've been wondering for a while, what would it mean to have an aosp breakthrough? That is, what is holding things up, and once this is resolved will future versions of aosp be easier to build? Feel free to be very technical and precise if that's what it takes to explain, and thanks! I love your theme.
http://mobilesyrup.com/2010/12/08/bell-samsung-galaxy-s-vibrant-upgrade-to-os-2-2-froyo-coming-december-10th/
yep, finally here, maybe its jl1, but my guess its an unleaked firmware.
NOt the same phone
Bell/Canada and they use i9000 for their vibrant
I already have 2.2 and will probably be running on 2.3 by end of next week
(sigh)....same ****......different toilet...
OP might be on Bell is is excited that he'll be getting 2.2 on his own version of the Vibrant.
I saw today that the droid x is getting a second update to 2.2.1 and the phones came out on the same day. Samsung may be slow with updates but I think t mobile makes it much worse. I expect an update this month but tell me why every other phone gets update love and we dont.
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khulsey said:
I saw today that the droid x is getting a second update to 2.2.1 and the phones came out on the same day. Samsung may be slow with updates but I think t mobile makes it much worse. I expect an update this month but tell me why every other phone gets update love and we dont.
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Popularity/sales. There's articles on it. Look at the popularity of the Evo and compare it to the updates they get all the time. Makes sense. My question is...why are you same idiots on a forum for development *****ing about stock ota updates. If you don't mod your phone, what are you wasting your time here for? Just flash a froyo ROM and shutup. If you've been reading anything, you'd know that the official froyo will most likely not offer anything more than the stuff the devs have out right now, the leaked builds are pretty much what we'll be seeing from T-Mobile.
Some people want official/supported ROMs for their contract phones.
If you don't like it you can stop responding and just STFU.
Those third-party ROMs all have issues and they are notorious for having worse battery life and stability than stock ROMs.
People like me don't wanna touch **** like that.
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Popularity/sales. There's articles on it. Look at the popularity of the Evo and compare it to the updates they get all the time. Makes sense. My question is...why are you same idiots on a forum for development *****ing about stock ota updates. If you don't mod your phone, what are you wasting your time here for? Just flash a froyo ROM and shutup. If you've been reading anything, you'd know that the official froyo will most likely not offer anything more than the stuff the devs have out right now, the leaked builds are pretty much what we'll be seeing from T-Mobile.
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I love the custom ROMS, and the biggest no-go for me is the loss of Thinkfree Office that comes free with the stock ROM, which I use frequently for work. Of course, there is a lot of crapware that I didn't miss, but when I realized that I lost that program and would have to pay to get it on a custom ROM, that was a dealbreaker. Also, I get tired of having to reconfigure my apps, address book, and contact linking every time I flashed my phone.
Time to go work on your reading comprehension.
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Some people want official/supported ROMs for their contract phones.
If you don't like it you can stop responding and just STFU.
Those third-party ROMs all have issues and they are notorious for having worse battery life and stability than stock ROMs.
People like me don't wanna touch **** like that.
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Yeah so far the best battery life are the Official leaked roms, any third party rom are just less stable and waste more battery.
After trying all the custom roms for the vibrant i just had to go back to the official, sadly that wasn't the case for N1.
The custom roms are nice but I like running the stock roms and loading themes from here on top of them. But if t mobile takes their sweet ass time with 2.3 then I will be running custom.
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N8ter said:
Some people want official/supported ROMs for their contract phones.
If you don't like it you can stop responding and just STFU.
Those third-party ROMs all have issues and they are notorious for having worse battery life and stability than stock ROMs.
People like me don't wanna touch **** like that.
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You're very uniformed, the third party roms for vibrant are way more stable and bug free compared to the samsung garbage. Their programmers are terrible.
I've noticed that a lot of the bugs that come with custom roms are caused by flashing multiple roms one after another without a trip to Odin. I believe that ghosts of old roms are the reason there are huge inconsistencies in the bugs people report. I rarely have issues with TW and Eugene builds now that I revert to JFD with a repartition between flashes. Most of the issues that I do run into are caused by flaws in the leak itself (blurry mms, wifi calling app). Titanium restoring system settings, especially when moving between roms based off of different leaks, is another culprit. The main reason for the battery drains is the I9000 kernel. Once source gets dropped, kernels will be built off proper source and battery life should get better and there should be less issues. Just my 0.02. To each his own, but I still prefer the custom roms and I'm waiting for the actual update so Samsung finally has to release their source.
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Sdobron said:
You're very uniformed, the third party roms for vibrant are way more stable and bug free compared to the samsung garbage. Their programmers are terrible.
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First of all it "uninformed" not "uniformed" and these third party roms ARE NOT bug free. I have yet to find a rom where the MMS was bug free which is unbelievable to me. These developers can work magic on porting over all types of roms to these phone that technically shouldn't work on them but they can't make MMS work flawlessly. MMS is an important feature I need to work perfectly and that's one feature that has never worked (flawlessly) on any rom or any phone I have ever had. (My G1, Nexus, Vibrant, or MT4G). So now I always root my phones but keep them stock and just theme them to my liking.
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You're very uniformed, the third party roms for vibrant are way more stable and bug free compared to the samsung garbage. Their programmers are terrible.
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Notwithstanding who you are quoting, you are wrong. I don't put anything worse than the official release on my phone and that's usually what I get when I flash something from the Development section. It's usually extremely tacky too
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You're very uniformed, the third party roms for vibrant are way more stable and bug free compared to the samsung garbage. Their programmers are terrible.
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I have to disagree with you. Ive ran every rom from the android development and they all have bugs. Usually they start off fine but a couple days later bugs start to pop out. Most roms would be final if there were bugfree, besides app updates/tweaks.
All roms where installed after running Odin/stock
Problems I had with custom roms:
Minimum 3 freezes a day.
usually freeze during music playback
External sd card was hit or miss
Freezes during usb mount
Inconsistent battery life
custom kernels caused problems
Tons of lag on every rom/Needed lagfixes
Panic Mode(Never seen this until Customs Roms)
Odin every other day
Android Market problems
Data problems(needed to activate airplane mode on/off)
etc... Hate to admit it but my HD2 was more bugfree.
Its not the devs fault, they dont have much to work with but they are certainly not bugfree. My jk6 rom is running perfectly without the need for lagfixes or custom kernels. Only mod ive added was an accurate battery mod. I understand everyones phone is apparently different but I do suggest trying the newest one.
The only rom I could use day-to-day is TW roms.
You mean the extremely slow and bloated official releases. If you haven't noticed, a lot of the improvements made to manufacturer releases are based off custom roms here. Even Google kanged some of the stuff CM has been doing in Gingerbread?. The bugs that were squashed between Window Mobile 6.0 and 6.5 were squashed on XDA. If you like slow, stale and possibly less buggy, stick with the official releases. Many of us prefer bleeding edge enhancements
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It comes to mind that Samsung will not even consider updating the Vibrant until the Nexus S has been out for at least two weeks to a month. I believe they will just wait and try to entice more people to purchase the Nexus s (the longer the wait for 2.2 the more appealing Gingerbread is on the Nexus S.) I am not impressed with the specs on the Nexus S ( no sd card for starters). The Nexus S is due out on Dec. 16, 2010 so I am not looking for an official update to 2.2 till early next year, if then.
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It comes to mind that Samsung will not even consider updating the Vibrant until the Nexus S has been out for at least two weeks to a month. I believe they will just wait and try to entice more people to purchase the Nexus s (the longer the wait for 2.2 the more appealing Gingerbread is on the Nexus S.) I am not impressed with the specs on the Nexus S ( no sd card for starters). The Nexus S is due out on Dec. 16, 2010 so I am not looking for an official update to 2.2 till early next year, if then.
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I agree a million percent. Lucky for us we have dev support and the unofficial leak to pacify our wait. At least we not stuck on 2.1. I would rather the official release which should be lag free and have gps improvements.
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khulsey said:
The custom roms are nice but I like running the stock roms and loading themes from here on top of them. But if t mobile takes their sweet ass time with 2.3 then I will be running custom.
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yea im the same way.. i appreciate all the hard work from the devs and i do try the roms, but in the end i go back to stock.
Here is how I see it. There are still a ton of people complaining about the fact that Samsung and Tmoble have not released an offical Froyo for the Vibrant. Honistly why are people still waiting? There are a TON of 2.2 options on the dev page, they are all good at this point and they are being produced with leak software which is being released about once a week at this point. Macnut 14 for example is sooooo good that even if tmoble did release a offical Froyo I wouldn't even bother to download it. I would just wait for someone release a custom rom that used the most recent code.
With that in mind, we are constantly geting the most recent code with all the leaked versions that keep comming. Affter playing with the stock versions of these leaks, im GLAD that they are not releasing these as OTA updates yet. This would stop them from improving the code as rapidly as they are. As it is, every time a new firmware is leaked, it takes our devs here at XDA to make it something truly wonderful.
Ultimately, no one who post on this forum should complain for one simple reason. If you are posting here then you have obviouly found the forum. If you found the forum, then you are one click away from the Dev forum where you can get so much Froyo that you will have brain freaze for a year!!! For those of you afraid to try flashing your software read this.
1. Is easyer than you think
2. You wont hard brick your phone,
3. If you read a follow the directions step by step, you will be fine
4. Your not going to void your warrenty if the first thing you learn to do is flash back to JI6 (stock)
5. You will fix the large majority of the problems you may be experencing on your phone now with 2.2
The new Froyo roms are SAFE to flash. If something goes wrong there are step by step directions here to recover back to stock. If you are still nervous about flashing, just stay away from the lag fixes and you will be fine. Lag fixes are for more experenced users and are not needed so your not missing out that much as any 2.2 rom is going to be much faster than 2.1 JI6.
Guys, the latest that samsung has offer is right here on this site!!! Take advantage of it and learn the few simple things it takes to become a power user. Your phone is good hardware, give it the software it craves and the moble experence you want. Im shure samsung is working as fast as they can especaly with the new Nexus just coming out, but when this update goes live, its going to be for everyone, including the people that have never heard of XDA or even cared about Froyo to begin with. It has to be flawless firmware for the masses. The longer they take the better its going to be, and if you want it now, you can have what they they've got so far just by pulling it from this very website
Forget class action, forget refunds and *****ing. The only word you need to learn is ODIN. After that, your in control thanks to the great devs here at XDA. Oh, and by the way, you may want to learn how to use ODIN right now. Think about it, Froyo is cool, but Gingerbread is on the way guys, and those of us who are willing to take the time to read will have 2.3 long before those of you who complain and do nothing to educate yourselfs will have Froyo.
From now on, whenever I see a "lets sue Tmo for no Froyo" thread, im going to post one simple phase:
"Complain less, ODIN more!!!!"
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some could argue it will run better than custom 2.2? but whos complaining
hack away!
I've gone back to stock as custom roms will always have a bug or two, and more so when they are based off of a leaked rom(and there have been more then one for 2.2). I'm waiting till an official update is released before I try custom roms again.
Odin and Rom Manager are great, and I have enjoyed geeking away my time with roms on XDA. However:
1. Not everyone has time to waste exploring a bunch of roms to see which are stable.
2. Samsung probably appreciates XDA because it takes the pressure off of them:. The most savvy consumers are placated by the ability to get Froyo on their own.
Imagine Toyota never releasing a recall on their automobiles after the safety scandals, and that instead people on YouTube taught people how to fix the cars themselves in the garage. Sure, mechanically inclined folks would jump at the opportunity, and perhaps say, don't be mad at Toyota, fix it yourselves! Toyota would probably like the "DIY" trend among their customers.
Sure, we should take action and get Froyo ourselves, but that should not lessen our anger at Samsung/T-Mobile.
One very good reason to complain about the lack of an official 2.2 release is that Samsung won't release source until that's out. If we had source, we would have had CM6 or a true AOSP build by now.
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One very good reason to complain about the lack of an official 2.2 release is that Samsung won't release source until that's out. If we had source, we would have had CM6 or a true AOSP build by now.
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And now we have the source for 2.3 AND the Nexus S kernel source. I'd put my money on seeing that kernel working on the vibrant in short order and full AOSP gingerbread roms not long after.
Samsung Software department is a joke, 2.3 is out and sammys latest and greatest phone still runs software from over a year ago
GPS is still borked on all roms. Is it usable? Somewhat. But I wouldn't trust it if my life depended on it. Samsung fixed the initial lock issue. It locks fine with 10-12 sat locked with maybe 5m error. The problem is when you use it for navigation. The GPS will lose the lock repeatedly and randomly jump. This after Odin to stock JFD and then Odin to newest JL4. I used Samsung GPSrestore app to reset the GPS settings. I tried about every leaked and custom roms since the release of this phone. GPS is still crappy. GPS Status app showing sat lock doesn't mean it's fixed.
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*Every* custom 2.2 rom has "issues" that will be solved once the official 2.2 is released.
First, Thank god this is not a safety issue like the Toyota stuff, lol.
As far as the source being released, true, but we must concider the fact, as im sure they have, that we are geting the gingerbread source. If that ports, then its going to more than make up for CM6 or AOSP 2.2 IMHO....
For those of you who posted that your going to stick with the stock roms, there is not a thing wrong with that. Great thing is your not the type that complains. You know what it takes to debug this stuff and have tried the custom roms. For me, Macnut final was less buggy that JI6. Im a happy camper. You tried them and made an informed, educated decission and didn't just get on a soap box with a megaphone and gripe.
This is what im talking about, choices. We are lucky enough to have choices here and options when it comes to our software. For all the complaining we do, many other phone owners dont have those options.
As for "evey bug that is in the Roms will be fixed in 2.2 offical" I hope your right, but it takes time to debug and people who say "I WANT IT NOW!!!!< YOU PROMISED!!! WAAAAAA". They need to realize if it was put out NOW it would have the exact same bugs as the roms. As you might note, the bugs in the roms are geting fewer and fewer. Once they are all gone, the BAM!!! Offical release. But in the mean time, we shoud be gratefull for what we have, and what we have comming, namely Gingerbread..
I dont want to get into the GPS issue in this thread. Software is never going to be the compleate fix, i've already stated this elsewhere. I still beleave its mostly due to a bad connection to the antenna. When I fixed that on mine, it solved 95 percent if my gps issues, and updated modems fixed the rest. The GPS may be one place a Vibrant owner truely has some ground to complain, but Im strictly talking about people who complain about the 2.2 update here.
YatimaMeiji said:
I've gone back to stock as custom roms will always have a bug or two, and more so when they are based off of a leaked rom(and there have been more then one for 2.2). I'm waiting till an official update is released before I try custom roms again.
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Please tell you me you do not think official stock releases are perfect lol? Look at the GPS issues 2.1 had when the Vibrant was released. ODIN and custom ROMS are my best friends lol
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And now we have the source for 2.3 AND the Nexus S kernel source. I'd put my money on seeing that kernel working on the vibrant in short order and full AOSP gingerbread roms not long after.
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+1 to be completely honest, i'd be content getting the froyo source from Sammy and getting the JIT improvements ported over. GB doesn't excite me as much as froyo did when it was new. I just like the idea of AOSP and JIT improvements.
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yeah, my favorite is people saying samsung software devs suck cause we don't have froyo and tw sucks and blah blah blah blah, then complain they don't have an 'official' 2.2 when that 'official' 2.2 would have been released by those same samsung devs that suck and some/most of the 'unofficial' 2.2 roms we have are created by good/competent devs. but they aren't 'official'. lol.
If you are still having GPS problems after trying all the fixes and ROMs than ytou may have a hardware issue requiring a replacement.
ive flashed many roms and at first I thought it was the best thing ever till I started to see bugs and problems with mms or mounting issues and then came the fixes and I was like ok its fixed but theres some problems that didnt get fixed like the mic input volume is low when recording a video on a leaked 2.2 rom i confirmed it by going back to JI6, then I noticed my haptic feedback was messed up and i would get weak glitchy vibrations overall. GPS was never an issue for me and the roms with "improved/fixed gps" made it worse or didnt change at all. So as of now im done flashing and waiting for the OTA update.
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Please tell you me you do not think official stock releases are perfect lol? Look at the GPS issues 2.1 had when the Vibrant was released. ODIN and custom ROMS are my best friends lol
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GPS does work, and thats because I'm running UVJI6(the Tmo Official 2.1 updated rom).
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If you are still having GPS problems after trying all the fixes and ROMs than ytou may have a hardware issue requiring a replacement.
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Let's see. My Vibrant has the same problem. My wife's Vibrant has the same problem. Two of my friends have Vibrants and they have the same problem. One did a replacement exchange and that has the same problem. 5 out of 5 different Vibrants have the same problem. You really think exchanging is going to solve this issue? I refuse to believe any Vibrant owner has a perfect working gps. It might be borderline usable but it's still ****ty GPS compared to other phones.
Froyo I can hack. 100% working GPS is another matter.
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it's because when the official is out the devs will release a better custom roms!
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Let's see. My Vibrant has the same problem. My wife's Vibrant has the same problem. Two of my friends have Vibrants and they have the same problem. One did a replacement exchange and that has the same problem. 5 out of 5 different Vibrants have the same problem. You really think exchanging is going to solve this issue? I refuse to believe any Vibrant owner has a perfect working gps. It might be borderline usable but it's still ****ty GPS compared to other phones.
Froyo I can hack. 100% working GPS is another matter.
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As I've said, gps works perfectly in mine and I'm able to use it for navigation. I would say 1) if they are stock, are they running the update? 2) check serial numbers, if they are close enough, could have been part of a bad batch. I'm not trying to make excuses, but just suggestions. There are those who would say just flash a custom rom, but I know that isn't for everyone. I say try to exhaust every option you have with Tmo, but if thing still dont work out, i would recommend the EECB(Electronic Executive Carpet Bomb). I've had results in getting corporations to help me out with this(Tmo and Chase). Basically you send a mass email to every executive you can get a hold of. But I would only use this as a last resort as you can use your previous attempts with the regular customer service as evidence in any argument you make in the email, just make sure its a polite one. Ones full of flame and hate tend to not work.
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it's because when the official is out the devs will release a better custom roms!
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And thats what I'm waiting for, and official base from which the devs will work from. But thats not to say there still wont be bugs, I've never met a perfect rom, simply good enough.
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/38311/android-2-4-april-release-date
in a move that shows there is some kind of cover-up of the mistake of the lack of Android 2.3 devices on the market (aside from the Nexus S) 2.4 will still be called Gingerbread, as the only new feature it adds will be this ability to support dual-core apps on a single-core device.
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Makes complete sense. Dev's are already using the honeycomb SDK to produce apps made for dual core devices. Google cares more about having the maximum number of apps to be available to as many people as possible rather than having a handful of consumers having the absolute latest edition (and I have to agree with them).
How many stock vanilla android devices are there? Just us and the NS (pretty sure no one gets OTA's the day of except us two). Getting an OS out there for everyone is more important then keeping a relatively small group happy with the latest official build. Besides, the N1 is meant for ROM's. Google want's us to play with them, which is why I own the phone. If you've been waiting for gingerbread, just flash a freaking ROM and be happy.
Gingerbread isn't even that great anyway.
AFAIK Gingerbread suffers different problems:
1. security
2. resets
IMHO google devs are working on them before pushing 2.3 on the nexus one too, making it vulnerable and unstable.
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AFAIK Gingerbread suffers different problems:
1. security
2. resets
IMHO google devs are working on them before pushing 2.3 on the nexus one too, making it vulnerable and unstable.
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Yhea i did read about the resets in NS, i'm using GB on N1 but it never resets on it's own.
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Yhea i did read about the resets in NS, i'm using GB on N1 but it never resets on it's own.
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The resets may be an issue with the Nexus S hardware, and not with the OS. The Samsung Galaxy S phones have quite a few "issues", just ask any owner of a Captivate. I switched from the Captivate to a Nexus One, it is a much better phone.
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Yhea i did read about the resets in NS, i'm using GB on N1 but it never resets on it's own.
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I'm on CM7 and getting occasional random resets.
Google announced 27. January that OTA for Nexus S coming in 1-2 weeks, I don´t know why, but maybe we´ll see both Nexus One and Nexus S OTA.
I wish people would stop saying "just flash a GB ROM and be done with it", there's more to it than that. The N1 is sort of a reference design for alot of phones out there. A working N1 GB ROM means solid drivers, solid battery life, solid performance, etc.
I also have an HD2, it's running GB but the battery life (and BT stack in particular) is pretty poor. Devs say they won't be able to improve much until there are more GB ROMs they can pick parts from. First on that list is the N1.
There are more than just us Nexus One users tapping their fingers waiting for Google on this.
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1. security
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IMHO google devs are working on them before pushing 2.3 on the nexus one too, making it vulnerable and unstable.
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The "reset" issue is specific to the NS hardware. Samsung screwed the pooch on that one. There are plenty of people here running GB roms with out issue.
But I do believe the security flaws recently discovered to have a significant impact on GB's delayed release.
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The "reset" issue is specific to the NS hardware. Samsung screwed the pooch on that one. There are plenty of people here running GB roms with out issue.
But I do believe the security flaws recently discovered to have a significant impact on GB's delayed release.
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I've had plenty of resets on my N1 with CM7
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I wish people would stop saying "just flash a GB ROM and be done with it", there's more to it than that. The N1 is sort of a reference design for alot of phones out there. A working N1 GB ROM means solid drivers, solid battery life, solid performance, etc.
I also have an HD2, it's running GB but the battery life (and BT stack in particular) is pretty poor. Devs say they won't be able to improve much until there are more GB ROMs they can pick parts from. First on that list is the N1.
There are more than just us Nexus One users tapping their fingers waiting for Google on this.
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My N1 is running a GB ROM with solid battery life, and performance. I don't know about drivers but everything works perfectly and as it should. Almost like I am running an official build of GB. The reboot issue only seemed to occur on CM7.. oddly. And it wasn't frequent enough for me to care.
I thought the HD2 always had pathetic battery life when it came to Android. Mine's did, until I remembered to install SetCPU. It last all day, which is just what I need.
I mean the AOSP was released for gingerbread, so we can get some pretty stable ROM's. No it isn't as good as an official update, but if I wanted to wait for official updates, I would have bought a desire.
Now I'm not sure about this, but I think most ROM's that are cooked are built using the ASOP rather than modified stock ROM's. It isn't worth waiting and complaining for a 100% optimized OTA ROM when there are tons of temporary solutions.
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I mean the AOSP was released for gingerbread, so we can get some pretty stable ROM's. No it isn't as good as an official update, but if I wanted to wait for official updates, I would have bought a desire.
Now I'm not sure about this, but I think most ROM's that are cooked are built using the ASOP rather than modified stock ROM's. It isn't worth waiting and complaining for a 100% optimized OTA ROM when there are tons of temporary solutions.
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dont get ya. do you think desire owners arent using AOSP ginger?
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I mean the AOSP was released for gingerbread, so we can get some pretty stable ROM's. No it isn't as good as an official update, but if I wanted to wait for official updates, I would have bought a desire.
Now I'm not sure about this, but I think most ROM's that are cooked are built using the ASOP rather than modified stock ROM's. It isn't worth waiting and complaining for a 100% optimized OTA ROM when there are tons of temporary solutions.
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I bought the N1 because it was great hardware and, most importantly, because it was carrier free. The ability to root and flash the phone is nice in case I ever feel the need to admin yet another Linux machine, but that was certainly not everyones reason for getting the phone.
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dont get ya. do you think desire owners arent using AOSP ginger?
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I simply meant that we receive updates as soon as they are available, and are the first ones to get it. Desire has to wait for HTC to update sense and drivers and all that stuff until they release an OTA.
pfmiller said:
I bought the N1 because it was great hardware and, most importantly, because it was carrier free. The ability to root and flash the phone is nice in case I ever feel the need to admin yet another Linux machine, but that was certainly not everyones reason for getting the phone.
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Touche, although there aren't many people on these forums with the same intentions. I was simply speaking to the masses.
I don't know why release is taking so long...
My N1 resets randomly on CM7.... but luckily I don't have the wonks!
Google will release it when its ready!