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Will we wait for the HTC Hero patch in June?

http://www.coolsmartphone.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15484
I wanted to run a 2nd poll following the news that the Hero firmware patch for 2.x had been pushed back yet again....
Do we have an opinion? Do we care much because we have a cool bunch of cooks anyway?
Let's see....

I think it's pointless jumping ship now, after waiting for so long.
It will be more interesting to see if Fro-yo will help to ease this situation with future updates.

there are a serveral options that arent in the poll
no - Ill buy another android device no HTC for me anymore
no - Ill flash a custom rom
for me well i just flashed senseHero 2.1 and im happy with it xD
and next time i guess i will buy a nexus 2 or nex 3 becouse then you will get the newest software i hope

jbr7rr said:
there are a serveral options that arent in the poll
no - Ill buy another android device no HTC for me anymore
no - Ill flash a custom rom
for me well i just flashed senseHero 2.1 and im happy with it xD
and next time i guess i will buy a nexus 2 or nex 3 becouse then you will get the newest software i hope
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Agreed these options should be added.
Good point (below)

Is it really the best place to post such polls at? It's a DEVELOPMENT forum.

kyods said:
Is it really the best place to post such polls at? It's a DEVELOPMENT forum.
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+1
also i would vote for "no i will get a non-htc device before", i think that is an option that should be listed. at least to make people think about that there are ways to show your dis-appreciation (just made that word up) for htc. show them that they suck, buy competitors phones.
edit: now i read the posts between the first and the last, guess i am not the only one thinking this way

Kudos to kyods there

I will wait,not that im waiting for the update i just dont have the "time" to buy a new device every 6/12 months.
But i am a little dissapointed with Android,i thought that beeing open-source would make it easier to keep it updated...i know the main problem is kernell,in other words HTC,but same thing happends with other brands.
All i hope is the few true developers for our Hero stay aboard...

My contract isn't up till next feb so I will hang on for the next gen of devices (4"+ screens, 1.5GHz 2nd Gen processors, Better touch sensors, more RAM e.t.c) and stick with loading custom ROMs on my hero until then

Why would anyone need an "official" GSM rom?
Take the fresh Sprint leak, use the GSM leaked kernels and voila.
It'd be the exact same thing.

adwinp said:
Why would anyone need an "official" GSM rom?
Take the fresh Sprint leak, use the GSM leaked kernels and voila.
It'd be the exact same thing.
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The GSM leaked kernels are crap, the are test kernels that suck the life out of the battery.
We need an official kernel to improve the ROM's any more

i'll just use cooked roms, they are often better than the official ones anyway.

jbr7rr said:
there are a serveral options that arent in the poll
no - Ill buy another android device no HTC for me anymore
no - Ill flash a custom rom
for me well i just flashed senseHero 2.1 and im happy with it xD
and next time i guess i will buy a nexus 2 or nex 3 becouse then you will get the newest software i hope
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I agree, too. These options should be added.

Yes i will wait since i'm already pretty happy with my Hero as it is, but my next phone will not be a HTC...

adwinp said:
Why would anyone need an "official" GSM rom?
Take the fresh Sprint leak, use the GSM leaked kernels and voila.
It'd be the exact same thing.
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+1, no need to wait, aHero is fine for me and I prefer Vanilla Android than SenseUI.
Maybe this update, if it comes one day, will bring new/better/improved drivers, kernel patches or whatever, so I'll wait but ... it's HTC: they'll invest more time in new device than supporting "older" ones

VillianROM
Who needs an official build when we have Nathan, VillianROM is all I need in my life. I only want cooked Roms

All we need from the official HTC update is the kernel.
Ontopic: I will stick with my Hero, since it's a very good phone.

All this screwing around on HTC's part has learnt me one thing. I'm never buying a HTC android device again. They could've release an update months ago. All they want is for us to get tired of waiting and buy a Desire or Legend. Not me.
I'll wait for the upgrade. Buy a new android device in fall. And it will be a Samsung or Motorola.

its annoying, but sensehero 2.1 makes it bearable.

As I am in a contract with my hero, I will wait, but once my contract is up I probably wont be getting another HTC phone. I don't like waiting for updates when they are available, its really annoying, and to be honest, does not make me feel very valued as a customer.
If I am not valued by HTC, then I will not be giving them any more of my money.
simples.

A few random thoughts. Would appreciate your feedback.

(1)
I think it is insulting how Samsung released the Froyo update. This was not a mass update... this was a "lets shut the people complaining up update!"
Updating through Kies ALWAYS = people posting about problems/issues.
Why is it they could not do an OTA? I personally assume it's because it was not ready (hence the KA7 leak) and THAT will be an OTA for the masses to froyo (or an update to those who used Kies). This is my assumption.
But shame on Samsung/T-Mobile for this...
I would STRONGLY urge new people to NOT update to froyo via kies. I WOULD encourage rooting your phone and flashing the new custom roms that are based off the newest builds (even newer than KA6 which was the "official update").
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I think a thread dedicated for the new ROMs in the Q&A section would be awesome. Consider it an "ask a dumb question and expect a quick answer" thread. The less crap/clutter from the development section the better.
I imagine hardly any posts in the development section are of benefit to the developer.
I feel the Nero V4 sticky is a good example. Though I feel a sticky is a bit much.
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Anyone want to create a thread (or show me one) with all of the stock system apps attached? It would ne nice for those times when someone is asking for them....
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Does anyone have the skills to make the dropdown "mute" button also mute Media. I hate that currently it will mute everything but media... as it inevitably always leads to me making noise when I think I am muted.
I now use Widgetsoid to mute my phone completely.
Thanks!

I don't care how they released froyo, as long as they also release source code soon since it was an "official" release.
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dcpetterson said:
I don't care how they released froyo, as long as they also release source code soon since it was an "official" release.
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They have 60 days. Should not take that long. I just question why it was not an ota. Consider me skeptical of Samsung.
Want source? Request it: @SamsungMobileUS should work.

I agree that this was to shut people up, however, as a person who hasn't flashed a rom yet, I commend them for it. I really didn't know what I was missing, and if KA6 is laggy, I can't wait to see what isn't laggy. I'd like to root my phone next, but I have no idea if I'm hardware locked, so I'm inspired to do more reading.
Mini Kies is not difficult to use. People just don't read.
ETA: I agree that there will eventually be an OTA for fixes to KA6 and for people who did not even know about this.

mrsbelpit said:
I agree that this was to shut people up, however, as a person who hasn't flashed a rom yet, I commend them for it. I really didn't know what I was missing, and if KA6 is laggy, I can't wait to see what isn't laggy. I'd like to root my phone next, but I have no idea if I'm hardware locked, so I'm inspired to do more reading.
Mini Kies is not difficult to use. People just don't read.
ETA: I agree that there will eventually be an OTA for fixes to KA6 and for people who did not even know about this.
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Check and make sure that your phone is hardware locked now as I know that one of the ROMs took care of this issue.
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Isn't it that updating through kies is faster than ota? People wouldn't have to wait, unless you're a mac user. The JI6 took forever for them to send it. I waited like 2 weeks then i just flashed it through odin because i was really tired of waiting.
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Personally, I do believe that KA6 was suddenly delivered via Kies to shut us all up.
However, I don't really mind how updates are released. They don't have to be OTA. As long as Samsung releases timely updates, even if it is via Kies, then I will be a happy customer. (Oh and they still need to fix the hardware gps flaw)
If they release Gingerbread via kies in a timely manner, I will even somewhat forgive them, but I still will not buy another Samsung made product again for a very long time if ever.

im glad atleast samsung decided to give us froyo... i mean now we can get a little bit of work on our roms since we have a official now.
but i think that "official" rom was made in 2 days, because if you notice, its laggy as hell, and the only difference is theres wifi calling and a few other apps, thats IT.

s15274n said:
They have 60 days. Should not take that long. I just question why it was not an ota. Consider me skeptical of Samsung.
Want source? Request it: @SamsungMobileUS should work.
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I have the same opinion. I believe this was just a "shut them up" maneuver and the easier softer way for them to do it. Also from what I have read in the threads there seems to be a number of people with problems from the Keis fiasco.

xriderx66 said:
im glad atleast samsung decided to give us froyo... i mean now we can get a little bit of work on our roms since we have a official now.
but i think that "official" rom was made in 2 days, because if you notice, its laggy as hell, and the only difference is theres wifi calling and a few other apps, thats IT.
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Well, it actually has the Dalvik Jit Compiler which somewhat improves the Hummingbird cpu performance, there is also Flash player.

SamsungVibrant said:
Well, it actually has the Dalvik Jit Compiler which somewhat improves the Hummingbird cpu performance, there is also Flash player.
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well i guess all that lag takes away from the dalvik jit
also the flash, we've had for like months so you know,

S15274N Great Posting
I agree on your general Ideas. I really like the Idea of posting a fast Q & A
I like the Idea of Making a thread that lists all the stock apps (with apk attached etc.) for those who want that sort of thing.
And, I agree Samsung is just trying to avoid a Gun Fight with the customers. We customers Really are making it hard for Tmo and Samsung to continue their personal "*****-match"
We need to continue to Keep the Pressure on Samsung to keep them adhering to the open source licensing agreement thet agree to when installing Android.

Yeah, I was not trying to say I am upset they released froyo... but more picking on them for HOW they released it. They know 99% of Vibrant users are not even going to know it was released, and if they did, they wont bother with Kies.
Them releasing source will be huge. I hope they release it as fast as they did for the canadian fascinate once froyo was released for it. I'm still a skeptic of Samsung and expect a future release to be the next "official froyo"

s15274n said:
Yeah, I was not trying to say I am upset they released froyo... but more picking on them for HOW they released it. They know 99% of Vibrant users are not even going to know it was released, and if they did, they wont bother with Kies.
Them releasing source will be huge. I hope they release it as fast as they did for the canadian fascinate once froyo was released for it. I'm still a skeptic of Samsung and expect a future release to be the next "official froyo"
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they'll probably release it on like the 60th day waiting till its like 11:59PM then they upload. lol.

Based off your #1 statment I can only say that this is exactly why they released the "official update". The thing is after the first rumor was released and the **** hit the fan causing multiple threads and 1,000's of post, among other things, there was a small thread and article that was covered and only happen to receive less then 50 post that stated:
The same credible source that gave the first rumor added the reason why samsung and/or tmobile haven't given the update Is because samsung is charging the carriers for OS updates. This means samsung was expecting each carrier to pay per handset sold(later to be denied by samsung).
You can have your own take on samsung or tmo, but the remainder stays the same. That is if the sites which released the rumors spoke to the same source and one rumor is true, then possibly the second Could be also. This also shows 2 other things that will forever fault the android community and the Internet alike. The mob mentality and the feeling of some type of entitlement will cloud the truth or fuel rumors and/or other things that none of use are entitled to know or understand.
One good thing that has come out of this is the fact that now samsung is responsible to release the 2.2 source.via the GPL. Going forward id say Let's try and not let this happen with the real ota, if that ever really happens... lol.
Moral of the story:
Becareful what you wish for. You might just get it... kinda.

CM7 and The future of the Vibrant

While the T959 is a well built phone with great specs, I felt like it was incomplete until 2.2 ROMs came out in November. Then, when 2.3 and the Nexus S were announced, that feeling returned.. now with Cyanogenmod7 working so well, I am in love with my Vibrant once again.
Even without any further version updates (2.4, 3.0 if possible) the phone has been improved dramatically by the work of Team Whiskey, Supercurio, Eugene, and the Cyanogenmod Team.
What keeps the Vibrant apart from all the HTC and Motorola phones when it comes to Cyanogenmod - is it a driver issue? Is it because of the Hummingbird processor?
Now that CM7 is finally working well on the Vibrant, does this mean that future Cyanogenmod versions will work on the Vibrant? Have they finally "cracked the shell" so to speak?

I am curious also as to what makes CyanogenMod different to work on for our phones vs the other ones you named.

CM is actually worse for Motorola devices as they have a locked bootloader...
On the other hand, HTC is very good about releasing source for their devices when compared to Samsung, who rarely releases source code if at all (driver source). Plus, CM started on HTCs, and with every device using similar Qualcomm hardware, i can imagine it is easier to port to newer Qualcomm-equipped HTC devices. That said, it appears that HTC is beginning to implement software to prevent rooting on newer phones like the G2, so we may see more people moving towards the more open Samsung devices.

Finally, this is explained to me. Thanks!
Why do drivers need to be recompiled for each version of Android? Do they need to be recompiled for similar releases such as 2.0 and 2.1 or 2.3 and 2.4?

I'm not exactly an expert when it comes to the Linux architecture, so take the following with a grain of salt.
Anyways, I believe it has to do with the kernel, which should contain the device drivers. Now, kernels must indeed be recompiled for every android system update; this is why a 2.1 or 2.2 kernel will not work with the newer 2.3.x roms. The problem for us is that once Samsung stops releasing kernels/roms for the SGS series, devs will no longer have a base to build off of. Hopefully devs can make use of updates/drivers from the Nexus S to keep the SGS series up to date with CM.

qtilt ......... nicely explained

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qtilt ......... nicely explained
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I agree!

The main difference between CM/MIUI and the rest of the roms you see here on XDA is that CM/MIUI are built directly off of a Vanilla Froyo/Gingerbread. No extra flavorings or seasonings such as TouchWiz, HTC Sense, MotoBlur, Droid UI, etc. The use of, or misuse of, causes phones to run slower and do more work (unnecessarily) while it computes extra calculations of the UI. [EDIT]When developers BASE a rom off of a leak or pre-existing firmware it does not make it Vanilla just by removing TWiz or Sense or the rest of bloatware. Vanilla is generally the most simple a firmware can be, with no added extra-pazzaz[/EDIT]
There hasn't been a solid update to MIUI for our phone in a month, but CM has nightly builds and HOPEFULLY it has "cracked the shell," so to speak. Even if Samsung STOPS upgrading our firmware (which has already happened IMO), CyanogenMod makes their own code and develops independently without the use of previous stockpiles of code...which is why it's difficult at first to come up with their own driver source (because Samsung refuses to release ALL the sources needed). Hopefully our Vibrant is covered for the next 2.4 or 3.0 (3.1) update.

Samsung needs to continue to make money. They wouldn't if they let each phone update to the newest andros os. Not just samsung, any hardware company.
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boltdidit said:
Samsung needs to continue to make money. They wouldn't if they let each phone update to the newest android os. Not just Samsung, any hardware company.
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I disagree with this because, If Samsung released the code and people updated their phones as they liked and put different operating systems, roms as they liked. customer satisfaction would skyrocket. People would be more likely to buy new phones only from Samsung because they wanted the newest available hardware, read this as faster more flexible with more options.
but alas Samsung as with most of the manufacturers suffer from penny wise and dollar stupid syndrome and they end up being fairly low on the customer satisfaction scale another words they suck

rbcamping said:
I disagree with this because, If Samsung released the code and people updated their phones as they liked and put different operating systems, roms as they liked. customer satisfaction would skyrocket. People would be more likely to buy new phones only from Samsung because they wanted the newest available hardware, read this as faster more flexible with more options.
but alas Samsung as with most of the manufacturers suffer from penny wise and dollar stupid syndrome and they end up being fairly low on the customer satisfaction scale another words they suck
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As a hardware company customer satisfaction is one thing and making them buy more of their products is another. If your 4,5-years old phone can still upgrade to the newest OS why would you buy a new one? So there is a balance for them to keep, their want to make their customer happy with their product but not too happy so their stay with old product forever.
That's very much why samsung was hesitated about 2.3 upgrade for the galaxy line.

The future of the device has more to do with whether or not the developers stick with the device. With the SGS being an international phone there is a better chance of this happening, and samsung has started getting better with releasing their source. As mentioned earlier HTC is making devices harder to root, for example the HTC desire CDMA with 2.2 is impossible to root and the G2 was an annoyance.
Also samsung has released multiple phones that are very close to the Vibrant such as the Nexus S and the Vibrant 4g. The Nexus S will be updated for awhile and source will be released for it, so its something though not much. The Vibrant 4g will also hopefully be updated and that will hopefully be an easy port. Also 2.4 is very similar to 2.3 so that will hopefully be an easy update for the developers.
Basically as long as we have the awesome devs that we have and we dont flame everyone that the devs get tired of working with the phone then we will have a device that will be updated and beautiful.

I want a stock style gingerbread, and I hope a touchwiz themed CM7 coming out.

vvsnail said:
I want a stock style gingerbread, and I hope a touchwiz themed CM7 coming out.
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I believe Krylon is working on Stock, as for a Twiz themed CM7 I ask why?

bearsfan85 said:
I believe Krylon is working on Stock, as for a Twiz themed CM7 I ask why?
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Ha, this is whats to come. CM7 hasn't arrived yet and now they want it with twiz. The ridding of twiz is part of what makes it great.
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joe.kerwin said:
Ha, this is whats to come. CM7 hasn't arrived yet and now they want it with twiz. The ridding of twiz is part of what makes it great.
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+1 agree 100%

bearsfan85 said:
The future of the device has more to do with whether or not the developers stick with the device. With the SGS being an international phone there is a better chance of this happening, and samsung has started getting better with releasing their source.
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Basically as long as we have the awesome devs that we have and we dont flame everyone that the devs get tired of working with the phone then we will have a device that will be updated and beautiful.
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Amen. Well stated.

Vibrant forum dying?

Before I get to my point I want to thank all the devs for there hard work that they do in their spare time. They do it for free and hope that some of us donate to make it a little more worth their while.
Maybe it's just me or does it seem like the development thread is slowing down. I've noticed lately that most of the stuff coming in now is ports from other phones and updates for past builds. Theres not alot of new stuff rolling out. EDT seems to stay busy, but what happend to TW? I would have put money on having a stable 2.3 rom out by now to use as a daily driver. We also lost Eugene and leaked samsung builds seem to not be coming out as often.
Is our phone entering the twilight years? Are the dev's losing interest and working on other phones. I've played around with some of the new phones like the atrix and thunderbolt and i'm sure they could be a lil more interesting to build for.
I hope i'm wrong and 5 min. after I post this a new 2.3 rom comes out. It was fun when you flashed a new trigger rom and 1 day later the new bionix came out. This is a really nice phone and you have to really try hard to brick it. It's almost like Samsung designed it to be modded. Hopefully the devs can get inspired again or some new blood comes in to give us something new.

I think we need to be patient. One day there will be a leak for gb and things will fire up again.
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just relax man every phone goes through spells of development. I see you only joined in april so just wait, Whitehawkx had a mostly working gb port working minus the gps and we have CM7 and MIUI support now as well.
Be patient this phone is amazing and im certain development will continue for it for some time.
In the mean time flash a miui beta or try out the EDT roms you wont be disappointed.

Lets not forget Simply Galaxy v3 a 2.3.3 rom. Yes still developing but stable.
Once we get a proper kernel you'll see more Gingerbread roms as for right now you have a ton of quality 2.2.1 and 2.2 roms to chose from.
Of course the OP is welcome to start developing on their own and contribute.
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u guys keep us coming back for more every day and i thank you for that! great job on all this.

explodingboy70 said:
Lets not forget Simply Galaxy v3 a 2.3.3 rom. Yes still developing but stable.
Once we get a proper kernel you'll see more Gingerbread roms as for right now you have a ton of quality 2.2.1 and 2.2 roms to chose from.
Of course the OP is welcome to start developing on their own and contribute.
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Yes, but point being is that we're pretty much at the mercy of Samsung & T-Mobile to release a 2.3.
We will not have a kernel source to play with until it releases for I9K, and even then we'll have issues for a while. And we won't have one with rockin' battery life until we get a leak or source.
But yeah, there really isn't much developing coming from anyone except the guys working on kernels & people like Whitehawk, sonique, and of course Untermench who actaully modify the code. Because there's not much else to do.

Things are winding down. There are only a handful of people around who have the knowledge and inclination to roll their own ROMs.
As newer devices with more capabilities are introduced (the dual core LG G2X will be in T-mobile stores April 20th), then the older ones lose favor.
That is how it is with Android. Your 8 month old phone becomes old. After 15 months its an antique!

explodingboy70 said:
Lets not forget Simply Galaxy v3 a 2.3.3 rom. Yes still developing but stable.
Once we get a proper kernel you'll see more Gingerbread roms as for right now you have a ton of quality 2.2.1 and 2.2 roms to chose from.
Of course the OP is welcome to start developing on their own and contribute.
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I actually have tried to develop a theme to post here but there is so much involved with all the editing and i simply don't have the time. I really wish I did. Trust me I have a great respect for what the dev's do once I started playing around with just a theme. I can only imagine what a rom would take. Plus I can honestly say i'm not skilled enough to put out a quality rom any time soon, if ever. I'm really not complaining about effort or quantity from the devs, i've just noticed lately there seems to be a dull in the dev section. I was just wondering why.

Eugene is back. He said on twitter that he bought a Vibrant. You can see evidence, his newest Ginger Clone version has already had 4 updates.
Sure a lot of the development is for 2.2 and 2.2.1 roms, but I'd say we're easily WAY more active than we used to be. We've now got plenty of choices of roms, kernels, and themes. We've also got new people joining the Vibe development scene. There's an experimental Gingerbread Sense that's just started testing. We are now officially supported by the MIUI team. I see new things happening every day. Development doesn't always happen overnight, but I believe we've still got lots of good things look forward to.

Slowing down? I still remember when there was only one rom in the dev section. Now there's a new one each week, and at least one update every day.

Tarzanman said:
Things are winding down. There are only a handful of people around who have the knowledge and inclination to roll their own ROMs.
As newer devices with more capabilities are introduced (the dual core LG G2X will be in T-mobile stores April 20th), then the older ones lose favor.
That is how it is with Android. Your 8 month old phone becomes old. After 15 months its an antique!
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I still dont understand what people are trippin on. We have some blazing fast 2.2.1 ROMs and a few gingerbread ROMs that are stable. What functionality are people looking for int he Vibrant that we dont have?

dcontrol said:
Slowing down? I still remember when there was only one rom in the dev section. Now there's a new one each week, and at least one update every day.
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Haha yeah I remember that too. But ROMs every week != good. Most of them are ports and aren't stable.
I really wish we could have AOSP roms so we could have TRUE development going on. None of this hack and patch stuff.
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I still dont understand what people are trippin on. We have some blazing fast 2.2.1 ROMs and a few gingerbread ROMs that are stable. What functionality are people looking for int he Vibrant that we dont have?
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They want CM lol (as do I)

Why do we keep having these threads. I rooted my phone late last year. I have been more then satisfied. I'm just glad to have a faster better phone than what I had originally. Just have some damn patience.
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Keep in mind the psychology at work here. Most of the people who get all angsty about this are rom comsumers, and not active dev's, themers, or kangers.
It appears that what we are experiencing now is a lot of cross development, taking existing roms from the international i9000 and porting them to our universe thanks to the availability of kernel source for 2.2. So the nature of activity has changed, but the scope has actually expanded.
This phone (thanks to dev work here @ XDA) stopped sucking ass A VERY LONG TIME AGO. Gains to be had at this point are largely cosmetic, so there is the appearance that improvements are not coming at the rate they used to. The fact of the matter is that quantitative improvements are largely unnecessary at this point.
As a "consumer" myself (I gave up on linux development a long time ago, owing to my own inherent laziness) I find the current state of affairs quite amazing. Your mileage may vary. YMMV.

What's funny is that people much prefer a broken ROM that gets fixed rather than a fully working ROM out of the box ^_^

masterotaku said:
Keep in mind the psychology at work here. Most of the people who get all angsty about this are rom comsumers, and not active dev's, themers, or kangers.
It appears that what we are experiencing now is a lot of cross development, taking existing roms from the international i9000 and porting them to our universe thanks to the availability of kernel source for 2.2. So the nature of activity has changed, but the scope has actually expanded.
This phone (thanks to dev work here @ XDA) stopped sucking ass A VERY LONG TIME AGO. Gains to be had at this point are largely cosmetic, so there is the appearance that improvements are not coming at the rate they used to. The fact of the matter is that quantitative improvements are largely unnecessary at this point.
As a "consumer" myself (I gave up on linux development a long time ago, owing to my own inherent laziness) I find the current state of affairs quite amazing. Your mileage may vary. YMMV.
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Well said. It's just like what happened when I had the N1, people started to complain because the roms were so stable there weren't many updates being released.

regP said:
I still dont understand what people are trippin on. We have some blazing fast 2.2.1 ROMs and a few gingerbread ROMs that are stable. What functionality are people looking for int he Vibrant that we dont have?
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i dont know either...
2.3 probably WILL be faster than 2.2 (duh) but besides the speed, we have everything else.
All thats going to be different is when you go into settings about it will say 2.3 gingerbread
instead of 2.2 or 2.2.1
the rest is good.
im on miui, and i switch between cm7 and miui once in a while
im never going back to 2.2.1

birgertime said:
What's funny is that people much prefer a broken ROM that gets fixed rather than a fully working ROM out of the box ^_^
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Very true. People want updates, but they don't know why.
If its not being updated as fast as it used to, chances are it doesn't even really NEED updating.

birgertime said:
What's funny is that people much prefer a broken ROM that gets fixed rather than a fully working ROM out of the box ^_^
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Well said. Someone just asked on one of my 2.2.1 threads why it was so quiet and my only thought was because everything works. Here it is everything has been fixed there should be nothing left to discuss here flash and enjoy.
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Very true. People want updates, but they don't know why.
If its not being updated as fast as it used to, chances are it doesn't even really NEED updating.
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That's the point for me. I stopped updating at KA6. Sure KA7 came out not long after, but why? I had been updating daily/weekly until then, always fighting some bug or flaw. With KA6, I flashed the ODIN version, removed bloatware myself, added the round battery icon, power off menu, and that was *it*. More recently I've updated the Kernel to Overstock 2.x and voodoo FS, but I'm not even sure why I need voodoo. Can't tell a difference in the real speed of the phone.
I didn't take the phone apart to add FFC like so many did (and who also never use it in most cases), so I don't need improved support for that... and themes, well... I guess there is that, not much going on in KA6 themes -- but that doesn't affect the use of the phone at all.
KA6 for me has been fast, stable, and by far the best on battery life of any I've touched yet. There are few if any programs out there that require 2.3 or higher, and until that is the case, why change?
The atmosphere is totally different than it was last fall, when the rest of the world was going 2.2 and Vibrant was stuck on 2.1. At that time, there were an increasing number of programs that simply would not work on Eclair - plus Froyo had been promised as an update. Now we have everything Samsung promised, and really if you're running a lightly modded ROM, it *is* bug-free.
So... until I am forced to consider 2.3, I'm sticking with KA6.. It is nice after years of constantly flashing upgrades on the HTC Vogue (wm6), then the G1, then flashing the MT3G constantly, then constantly flashing the Vibrant, to actually pick up my phone and have it work the same way it did yesterday.

Desire HD users have been left out

Hello my fellow HTC Desire HD users and developers.
My name is StJohn, I'm from South Africa.
I'm very dissapointed to see that we have been left behind in the ICS race.
Nexus one users are seeing progress with ICS, along with the desire users, and a couple others. The desire users already have a flashable ZIP...
So heres the big question:
Where is our ICS progress? Is there no developers working on one for us?
The Desire HD hardware is ahead of the desire, so thats not an excuse. And I
know theres no source code yet, but developers are making progress with the SDK just to give users a taste of ICS at least. I just want to see the same progress for the Desire HD users. Wheres our ICS?

Hi
Developers here tend to wait for the official release before doing anything like that. It saves a ton of hassle because theres less that will go wrong and less complaints and things.

If cyanogen team isn't ready to make it, then I'm not ready to use it

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If cyanogen team isn't ready to make it, then I'm not ready to use it
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Yep, Cyanogen is the most stock like custom ROM I know of, and if they can't make it yet, it must not be fit for general use.

raze599 said:
Yep, Cyanogen is the most stock like custom ROM I know of, and if they can't make it yet, it must not be fit for general use.
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While I agree with the point. CM mod is not really all that close to stock anymore. It has its own framework and built in mods. Nothing wring with it as I use a CM bases rom from time to time.
But I do agree with the fact they are wanting to wait for the source. The sdk is not enough to build anything worth releasing right now. Mainly with huge population of new to Modding people on XDA now. A couple of years ago I would have been all over the sdk as well and tossed something out there knowing that the people using it would be able to help with the loads of issues that it Will have for sure. Can't do that now. To many people blindly flashing with know real idea of what is going on and don't know how to give proper feedback and bug reports. Now I know this is just due to people being new and we were all new at once but now there are more people coming from an iPhone or this is there first smartphone and can't really release what we used to.

Considering that the Galaxy Nexus hasn't even been released yet, saying that DHD users have been left behind is totally ridiculous.

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Considering that the Galaxy Nexus hasn't even been released yet, saying that DHD users have been left behind is totally ridiculous.
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good point, I believe the OP would need to contact CM's client service to complain

This should ease your concerns, https://plus.google.com/105502178297258827378/posts/PxQ6cVjVdUd

tomegranate said:
Considering that the Galaxy Nexus hasn't even been released yet, saying that DHD users have been left behind is totally ridiculous.
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+1
Remember assumptions are the mother of all F**K Ups

They have been trying. They have it booting but the touchscreen does not work so nothing can be done.

To be fair,its all different hardware niggles, the end of the day..you could have a dev release a rom...that has a hundred bugs and is generally ****. Gingerbread came out,which was good you could test it but really pissed you off in a way that there was no way to use it daily unless you fancied losing wifi or no bluetooth.
Patience is the key.Why are there so many threads about this **** lol its every time, i do also want to post numerous threads regarding this but patience. How has the hd been left behind anyway, we have had every release so far besides ice cream

i'm almost sure DHD won't get ICS... technicaly DHD could get an 2.3.4 or 2.3.5 official OTA anytime but HTC waits until ICS will hit Sensations. Just about one month before that, DHD will get 2.3.5 as final official update...
It was the same with Hero last year... when htc rolled 2.1 on HERO just before the 2.2 launch on the newer devices. It's all marketing and I'm sure the carriers are the key players... especially the ones in US. They are making the rules and the 2 years product rollout cycle.
I'm also pretty sure that HTC "supports" the "rooting and custom roms development"... as some kind of justice for the HTC hard core consumers...

One way or another ICS will come to the dhd... If its not official it will be a port or cyanogen.
But atm i'm really happy with the 2.3.5 runny rom^^ Lets just be a little patient!

brad808 said:
If cyanogen team isn't ready to make it, then I'm not ready to use it
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What he said.

cristeamax said:
i'm almost sure DHD won't get ICS...
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harrehk said:
This should ease your concerns, https://plus.google.com/105502178297258827378/posts/PxQ6cVjVdUd
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It's a two page thread. Come on.

The Sensation is getting ICS so I'm very sure the DHD will get it.
If you don't think so have more faith in devs on xda.
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App

in that 2 page thread it says
"New devices,i.e,Released after May 2011 will receive the updates prior to the old phones like Desire HD"
What that means? no ICS TO DHD? ?
did not understadn fully that thing there please explain?

All I want, and so many other people, is a taste of ICS, Just a test drive, I'm not asking for daily use, and the expression "left out" is referring to the SDK roms coming out, not the official source code or official release of ICS.
Just want to see some progress to a flashable ICS port, and now I am seeing that over at the development forum so this is good.

This may a ridiculous question (sorry in advance) but would any port of ICS still have the SRS settings for the music player?

Pruikki said:
in that 2 page thread it says
"New devices,i.e,Released after May 2011 will receive the updates prior to the old phones like Desire HD"
What that means? no ICS TO DHD? ?
did not understadn fully that thing there please explain?
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It means the newer phones will get it first.