I have an unlocked Samsung Focus Flash, and I was wondering if it was possible to get 3G or 4G speeds on T-Mobile's network. Currently I only get EDGE. It looks like the Focus Flash has the 2100 frequency but not the 1700 frequency that T-Mobile uses for 4G, is this possible?
It isn't going to happen. tmousa uses 1700mhz and that phone doesn't support that.
love the edge because that is all you are going to get.
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check the screen shots. I'm not sure but when i choose wcdma and 850/1900 band it says tmobile3g. maybe it is labeling it wrong? although i also ran some tests vs my iPhone 3gs and the speeds are similar, with the hd2 leading. i am in the baltimore/dc area. please confirm or disprove.
my next step is to get my brother to have tmo unlock the hd2
thanx.
Trust on this it is not ATT band 3g you're getting, WCDMA is the AWS band that Tmo gets in the 1700/1900 range but it's not the same as ATT.
That settings page has been around since the age of Tilt (Kaiser). They have basically been using the same settings page all this time where they list all of the possible band settings. But if you don't have the necessary hardware, you won't be able to receive/send signal on those frequencies.
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Trust on this it is not ATT band 3g you're getting, WCDMA is the AWS band that Tmo gets in the 1700/1900 range but it's not the same as ATT.
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1700/2100, not 1700/1900 if it had a 1900 band I think ATT could get it.
Anyone here have the galaxy s 9000 euro version working with tmobile 3 g in usa?
I'm also interested in that. I'm about to buy a galaxy here in EU but I'm moving to california soon. There should be no issues however since the galaxy is a quad band phone
I looked into importing a HTC Desire from Tmo UK for use here on Tmo's US network -
Tmo europe uses 2100 band for 3g, Tmo US uses the AWS IV band (1700/2100) for 3G - i did a little more research and found that 2100 was the download side and 1700 for upload - and as Tmo here in the US told me my Tmo MyTouch 3G would work fine in europe, i figured i'd be good to go - maybe only have 3G speeds on the download side
got hold of a 2nd level tech at Tmo and he 'xplained it down't work that way - if the Tmo US network doesn't see both freqs (1700 & 2100) it will switch me to 2G data speeds
so answer is, it'll work for phone calls, but data speeds will be limited to 2G
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I looked into importing a HTC Desire from Tmo UK for use here on Tmo's US network -
Tmo europe uses 2100 band for 3g, Tmo US uses the AWS IV band (1700/2100) for 3G - i did a little more research and found that 2100 was the download side and 1700 for upload - and as Tmo here in the US told me my Tmo MyTouch 3G would work fine in europe, i figured i'd be good to go - maybe only have 3G speeds on the download side
got hold of a 2nd level tech at Tmo and he 'xplained it down't work that way - if the Tmo US network doesn't see both freqs (1700 & 2100) it will switch me to 2G data speeds
so answer is, it'll work for phone calls, but data speeds will be limited to 2G
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I can confirm, I did a lot of digging myself and found the same thing. I'm from the UK but living in the US for a year or so. I was going to get a Galaxy S from ebay but realised they didn't have the 1700 freq so wouldn't get 3g with T-mobile over here ion the US.
My Iphone 3g from the UK only gets edge data transfer speeds here in the US as it too is missing the important 1700 freq...
My original post: forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=713900
thank you guys then it's good to know the vibrant is out next week
larryccf said:
I looked into importing a HTC Desire from Tmo UK for use here on Tmo's US network -
Tmo europe uses 2100 band for 3g, Tmo US uses the AWS IV band (1700/2100) for 3G - i did a little more research and found that 2100 was the download side and 1700 for upload - and as Tmo here in the US told me my Tmo MyTouch 3G would work fine in europe, i figured i'd be good to go - maybe only have 3G speeds on the download side
got hold of a 2nd level tech at Tmo and he 'xplained it down't work that way - if the Tmo US network doesn't see both freqs (1700 & 2100) it will switch me to 2G data speeds
so answer is, it'll work for phone calls, but data speeds will be limited to 2G
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Finally figured this out too after posting questions in different places. Found this article which had a very detail explaination.
www . phonescoop . com/articles/article.php?a=99&p=1492
One thing I'm wondering is if it is possible to flash the android radio version from a Vibrant on to an international Galaxy S to enable Tmobile AWS?
that question is best answered by someone far more knowledgeable than i am in software and android OS
i want 3g
I just recently bought the unlocked galaxy s to use for when I study abroad in Germany in the coming months. However, I am experiencing the very issue raised in this thread and have been searching high and low to find a solution to change the radio frequency to include both 1700 and 2100. Hopefully, flashing the firmware from the vibrant to the unlocked galaxy s will work, but I'm not experienced enough to even know where to start.
I have a tmobile vibrant phone (hardware only). According to the phone specs i SHOULD be able to get 3g signal with my fido sim card since the phone seems to support all the same frequencies as the Canadian i9000.... but i only get edge.
If you guys are getting 3G with fido or rogers sim cards, did you have to set anything special in the phone settings?
Thanks!
Vibrant T-mobile 3G runs on 1700
that is why you only get EDGE (2G)
Fido, Rogers & Bell runs on 850 & 1900 for 3G
On my way to work today this is what i saw in the network box.
inside my house - EDGE
Outside my house - 3G
back country roads to work - i saw just G or no signal (normal i loose signal with my iphone and blackberry on there)
at work - back on edge
So i DO get 3g somehow! or is it just teasing me by showing 3G?
i read somewhere that the t-mo vibrant does have 1900 as one of its 3g bands, so this is why your phone has been able to pick up 3g at times. the problem for you is that rogers/fido mainly use the 850 band. i had the nokia n97 mini that had the 1900 but no 850 and while driving around most of the gta i would get 3g, but when i went into buildings, houses, etc, it would drop to edge.
Maybe your phone supports 1900 and not 850 MHz? Or the oposite? That would explain why you would get bad UMTS coverage.
@hondaguy you were faster than me
boravr6 said:
I have a tmobile vibrant phone (hardware only). According to the phone specs i SHOULD be able to get 3g signal with my fido sim card since the phone seems to support all the same frequencies as the Canadian i9000.... but i only get edge.
If you guys are getting 3G with fido or rogers sim cards, did you have to set anything special in the phone settings?
Thanks!
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To my knowledge the T-Mobile Vibrant does not support the major Canadian 3g bands. It is quad band 2g, which is why you are able to get edge but it is only 2 band 3g, at least according to this spec sheet:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2439&c=samsung_sgh-t959_galaxy_s_vibrant
T-mobile uses the 1700 and 2100 UMTS bands for 3g, Bell/Rogers/Telus/Virgin/Fido use 850/1900 UMTS bands for 3g. Therefore the 3g radio on the Vibrant is not compatible with these networks.
However, WIND mobile uses the 1700/2100 UMTS bands for 3g and you can use unlocked T-Mobile phones to their full ability on Wind's network. Wind is only in major urban centres though so this may not help you if you're not in the city. Hopefully you are as Wind has a pretty sweet unlimited data plan!
http://shop.windmobile.ca/
On the other hand according this this article from Engadget:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/22/confirmed-galaxy-s-unlock-codes-are-stored-in-your-phone-vibra/
If they're right that the Vibrant is somehow capable of AT&T 3g, it would mean the phone has to be tri-band UMTS: 850, 1700, 2100 (or 1700,1900,2100) as AT&T uses the 850/1900 bands like Rogers/Bell/Telus.
This doesn't make sense to me why T-Mobile would do this. The 850/1900 bands are really only used in North America on competing carriers, so it doesn't give the phone "world" capabilities, the 2100 band does that. Why they would add a feature who's only purpose is to make the phone work on competitors' networks is a mystery to me but Engadget seems to have a picture that confirms it. If this is true than an unlocked Vibrant should technically be able to work on Rogers/Bell/Telus/Fido/Virgin 3g, but only if it is unlocked. I'm pretty sure that T-Mobile sells their phones SIM locked to their network, have you unlocked yours?
~Edit if it does have 1900 as the third band the above posters are correct in that you will get minimal 3g coverage as 850 is the primary in Canada.
yeah i wanted to switch to Wind Mobile for the $35 true unlimited data plan, until i found out they don't work with normal 850/1900/2100 phones
only 1700 / 2100
I have been reading on Howard forums on here on xda and can not get my vibrant to switch to 3g on my att service.
when i open the service menu with my att sim card in i am greeted with "RAT Selection Option is Restricted" under the band selection menu.
Without my att sim card in i can select 2100, 1900, 1700, 850 under the WCDMA menu
I live in an area that supports the 850 and the 1900 frequencies.
what am i doing wrong?
Thank you
You do not have to do anything in the phone to get AT&T 3G in the Vibrant. If you live in an area where AT&T is using the 1900mhz spectrum you will get 3G. IF you are not getting 3G is because they are using the 850mhz and the Vibrant can not get 3g from that band.
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songokussm said:
I have been reading on Howard forums on here on xda and can not get my vibrant to switch to 3g on my att service.
when i open the service menu with my att sim card in i am greeted with "RAT Selection Option is Restricted" under the band selection menu.
Without my att sim card in i can select 2100, 1900, 1700, 850 under the WCDMA menu
I live in an area that supports the 850 and the 1900 frequencies.
what am i doing wrong?
Thank you
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what the person above me said, although you can choose the 850 3g band on the vibrant, it doesn't actually work. Chances are your area is 850 not 1900, and att is planning on upgrading all 1900 areas to 850. good luck.
one last possibility i just thought of, maybe you have a really old sim that doesn't support 3g?
i did a test run up to another major city and bam! full 3g. A few test runs of it and i was pulling 400-515kb/s down and 90-100kb/s up. Just amazing. I might actually buy a att phone with those speeds! edge is currently at 20-22kbs down by 5-15kb/s up. I just really like never having a contract.
My city is newer and smaller so it does not have the 1900 band. however according to wikipedia there is a Canadian version that does. but meh, i change phones so often its not like i wont find another diamond. I only bought my g1 because of xda, same with the hd2, and the vibrant.
It makes me drewel thinking about a windows 7 phone + android. Only because w7p has some amazing games. But doubtful since tegra will not have an open source driver, as far as i can research.
Thanks guys. your amazing.
With my Vibrant on Tmo's 3G I'm getting 5922 kbps down & 611 kbps with latency @ 78 ms.
Alot of home broadband stats can't compete with these 3G stats.
I just wonder how much faster a G2 could realistically run in my area.
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I too have a Vibrant on ATT. ATT is running 1900 in my area and my vibrant gets it fine, for a few minutes. If i turn the vibrant off and back on ill be on att 3g for a good 10 minutes at blazing speeds, but then it switches to EV and never comes out of it...any ideas?
Hey guys, I picked up this phone to test out a winphone a while ago and like it, but I'm having a huge issue.
I cannot get any network other than Edge to show up, and my speedtests are incredibly slow! On my Galaxy Nexus on Tmo's network I had to have the IMEI number updated somehow when I started my account, but it appears Tmo is closed today. Is there a way of doing this, or something else I need to do to get my Quantum to speed up, or is it hopeless?
It originally was an ATT phone that I unlocked to run on Tmo.
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Hey guys, I picked up this phone to test out a winphone a while ago and like it, but I'm having a huge issue.
I cannot get any network other than Edge to show up, and my speedtests are incredibly slow! On my Galaxy Nexus on Tmo's network I had to have the IMEI number updated somehow when I started my account, but it appears Tmo is closed today. Is there a way of doing this, or something else I need to do to get my Quantum to speed up, or is it hopeless?
It originally was an ATT phone that I unlocked to run on Tmo.
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That's because AT&T and T-Mobile use different bands. AT&T phones are only compatible with T-Mobile 2G. If you're lucky, T-Mobile will be refarming spectrum in your area, so you can get 3G, but apparently this isn't the case for you.
Source: I have a Quantum on T-Mobile
Are you positive about that? I have a Galaxy Nexus that worked just fine once they updated the IMEI number, and now I have full use of Tmo's network on it. It was an ATT phone initially...
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Are you positive about that? I have a Galaxy Nexus that worked just fine once they updated the IMEI number, and now I have full use of Tmo's network on it. It was an ATT phone initially...
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Galaxy Nexus: Supported Bands
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100
LG Quantum: Supported Bands
UMTS/HSDPA Tri-band (850/1900/2100 MHz)
T-Mobile:
850 MHz/1900 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE/UMTS/HSPA 2G
1900 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE 2G
1700 MHz UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+ 3G/4G
1900 MHz UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+ 3G/4G
1700 MHz LTE
The Quantum supports the italicized bands.
The Nexus supports the bolded bands.
As you can see, the Quantum's supported bands are used for 2G.
That is unfortunate... so everyone else using this phone is using it on ATT's network, not Tmo's?
Also incredibly disappointing since I was told that the networks were the same and that a phone that worked properly on one would work on another...
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That is unfortunate... so everyone else using this phone is using it on ATT's network, not Tmo's?
Also incredibly disappointing since I was told that the networks were the same and that a phone that worked properly on one would work on another...
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Yes, most users are on AT&T. And as to your second point, I've never heard anybody say that...
I'll go ahead and bump this with one more question. With the announced merger between MetroPCS and T Mobile, is it safe to assume that MetroPCS' frequency spectrum will work with T Mobile phones? I believe I saw at least one band that the Quantum would be able to use.
I get Tmobile 3g on my Quantum, I'm in an area where they have 1900MHz coverage though.