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[Q] question for 3G frequencies in Canada

I have a tmobile vibrant phone (hardware only). According to the phone specs i SHOULD be able to get 3g signal with my fido sim card since the phone seems to support all the same frequencies as the Canadian i9000.... but i only get edge.
If you guys are getting 3G with fido or rogers sim cards, did you have to set anything special in the phone settings?
Thanks!

Vibrant T-mobile 3G runs on 1700
that is why you only get EDGE (2G)
Fido, Rogers & Bell runs on 850 & 1900 for 3G

On my way to work today this is what i saw in the network box.
inside my house - EDGE
Outside my house - 3G
back country roads to work - i saw just G or no signal (normal i loose signal with my iphone and blackberry on there)
at work - back on edge
So i DO get 3g somehow! or is it just teasing me by showing 3G?

i read somewhere that the t-mo vibrant does have 1900 as one of its 3g bands, so this is why your phone has been able to pick up 3g at times. the problem for you is that rogers/fido mainly use the 850 band. i had the nokia n97 mini that had the 1900 but no 850 and while driving around most of the gta i would get 3g, but when i went into buildings, houses, etc, it would drop to edge.

Maybe your phone supports 1900 and not 850 MHz? Or the oposite? That would explain why you would get bad UMTS coverage.
@hondaguy you were faster than me

boravr6 said:
I have a tmobile vibrant phone (hardware only). According to the phone specs i SHOULD be able to get 3g signal with my fido sim card since the phone seems to support all the same frequencies as the Canadian i9000.... but i only get edge.
If you guys are getting 3G with fido or rogers sim cards, did you have to set anything special in the phone settings?
Thanks!
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To my knowledge the T-Mobile Vibrant does not support the major Canadian 3g bands. It is quad band 2g, which is why you are able to get edge but it is only 2 band 3g, at least according to this spec sheet:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2439&c=samsung_sgh-t959_galaxy_s_vibrant
T-mobile uses the 1700 and 2100 UMTS bands for 3g, Bell/Rogers/Telus/Virgin/Fido use 850/1900 UMTS bands for 3g. Therefore the 3g radio on the Vibrant is not compatible with these networks.
However, WIND mobile uses the 1700/2100 UMTS bands for 3g and you can use unlocked T-Mobile phones to their full ability on Wind's network. Wind is only in major urban centres though so this may not help you if you're not in the city. Hopefully you are as Wind has a pretty sweet unlimited data plan!
http://shop.windmobile.ca/
On the other hand according this this article from Engadget:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/22/confirmed-galaxy-s-unlock-codes-are-stored-in-your-phone-vibra/
If they're right that the Vibrant is somehow capable of AT&T 3g, it would mean the phone has to be tri-band UMTS: 850, 1700, 2100 (or 1700,1900,2100) as AT&T uses the 850/1900 bands like Rogers/Bell/Telus.
This doesn't make sense to me why T-Mobile would do this. The 850/1900 bands are really only used in North America on competing carriers, so it doesn't give the phone "world" capabilities, the 2100 band does that. Why they would add a feature who's only purpose is to make the phone work on competitors' networks is a mystery to me but Engadget seems to have a picture that confirms it. If this is true than an unlocked Vibrant should technically be able to work on Rogers/Bell/Telus/Fido/Virgin 3g, but only if it is unlocked. I'm pretty sure that T-Mobile sells their phones SIM locked to their network, have you unlocked yours?
~Edit if it does have 1900 as the third band the above posters are correct in that you will get minimal 3g coverage as 850 is the primary in Canada.

yeah i wanted to switch to Wind Mobile for the $35 true unlimited data plan, until i found out they don't work with normal 850/1900/2100 phones
only 1700 / 2100

[Ask] How to enabling 3G/hsdpa capped?

I bought this HTC Aria from USA and use it at my country (Indonesia) But unfortunately the signal is capped to search only gprs or edge, cannot hooked to 3G or hsdpa network..
I also have the asian market Aria, that works perfect in "wcdma only" netwotk. It don't have at&t logo on the upper right screen.
Question is how to make this at&t Aria working on my country wcdma network, bcoz I think that hardware already supported.. I just don't know how to hack it
I believe that its all about software or radio file or something like that , so I put my question here in this sub thread.. So sorry if I do a wrong post.
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I think it is more a frequency issue than a lock issue. This is a world phone and no frequencies are locked. But if your carrier doesn't use the same 3G frequencies, it will not work on 3G. The 3G frequencies for the Aria are 850mhz and 1900mhz. Your carrier is probably using 900mhz and 2100mhz for 3G. Your only fix (if this is your issue) is to either buy another phone or change carriers.

Not to threadjack, but do any US carriers use the [apparenlty] more common 900/2100mhz for 3G?

wittyscreenname said:
Not to threadjack, but do any US carriers use the [apparenlty] more common 900/2100mhz for 3G?
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Nope. Neither AT&T or T-Mobile use 900/2100 for their 3G frequencies. AT&T uses 850/1900 and T-Mobile uses 1700(AWS).

The Aria should work
HSPA/UMTS/EDGE/GPRS/GSM; Dual Mode UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA (1900/850MHZ) & GSM/GPRS/EDGE (Quad band 850/900/1800/1900MHZ); HSDPA/UMTS (3GPP Release 5 Compliant; 7.2 Mbps Enabled) EGPRS Functionality
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It's supposed to be a quad band.

No the HTC aria is not quadband for 3g or hsdpa. Basically there is a US versiont the 850/1900 . In Taiwan they released another version with the 900/2100. So if where you live doesn't have a place that uses the 850/1900 your basically stuck w/ 2g speeds.

[Q] Anyone else seeing this?

Multiple times ive looked up this phone in the past. Multiple times my dreams have been shut down because the frequency bands arent the same as Telus Canada. Multiple times have people told me, no, its impossible, wont happen. Then how come both the Windows Phone 7 and the dell venue pro site both have 1900/850 MHz EDGE? i realise EDGE isnt the fastest bug around but its much faster than GSM and its still is by definition 3G. and i was led under the impression that only GSM would work.
So what im wondering is that, ive heard that a new model for US is coming out in January, would the GSM/EDGE frequency be the same, just with 850/1900 UMTS difference?
And basically all i would be waiting for is a bamp from 3G to 3G+?

Telus 3G+
Telus in Nova Scotia HSPA+ network runs on 1900/850 (PCS/CLR). Its probably the same frequencies across the country.
I'm a new user, so I can't post links yet... however if you look at the telus mobility page and go to the Coverage tab, it'll tell you that they use 1900/850 for their 3G+
the wikipedia article on UMTS frequency bands also says telus uses 1900 and 850.
HSPA+ is part of the UMTS family. The Venue Pro lists UMTS 1900 and 850 as bands it can get... I'm assuming that means it can handle HSPA+
I'm just making assumptions, but it seems like the Venue Pro will run the HSPA+ network on Telus/Bell in Canada.
I sure hope it can, because I want a venue pro on telus myself!

Dont make a mistake, EDGE is NOT 3G and the frequencies the DVP uses for 3G, 900/1700/2100 will not give you 3G on the 850/1900 frequencies, that is for EDGE only.

efjay said:
Dont make a mistake, EDGE is NOT 3G and the frequencies the DVP uses for 3G, 900/1700/2100 will not give you 3G on the 850/1900 frequencies, that is for EDGE only.
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That is correct.
Only 3 providers in Canada will enable you to get 3G with the Dell Venue Pro.
Those providers are Wind Mobile, Videotron and Mobilicity.
The phone supports AWS 1700, not UMTS 850 or 1900.

Se4nH4x said:
The phone supports AWS 1700, not UMTS 850 or 1900.
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Ah! you're right. I looked at the phone specs again, and it listed GSM 1900, not UMTS 1900
well... that put a serious damper on my fun ... I really wanted one, but not if it can only do 2G around where I live.
Now to see what bands the omnia7 supports... I hope I don't have to settle for one of the ****ty phones released in canada. Seriously, we got all the worst ones.

Iv been waiting on the dell venue pro seeing to it was the only Decent phone that would work here Where i live at&t Alaska. now im screwed. Seriously, WE get all the worst phones here. sucks seeing all the High end phones pass you buy why everyone enjoys them WAAAAAAAAAaaaaAAA ! Best phone I believe i can own as of right now is LG EXPO its nice btw . I know u can get that in Canada

[Q] Terrible speed on T Mobile

Hey guys, I picked up this phone to test out a winphone a while ago and like it, but I'm having a huge issue.
I cannot get any network other than Edge to show up, and my speedtests are incredibly slow! On my Galaxy Nexus on Tmo's network I had to have the IMEI number updated somehow when I started my account, but it appears Tmo is closed today. Is there a way of doing this, or something else I need to do to get my Quantum to speed up, or is it hopeless?
It originally was an ATT phone that I unlocked to run on Tmo.

TheRandom1 said:
Hey guys, I picked up this phone to test out a winphone a while ago and like it, but I'm having a huge issue.
I cannot get any network other than Edge to show up, and my speedtests are incredibly slow! On my Galaxy Nexus on Tmo's network I had to have the IMEI number updated somehow when I started my account, but it appears Tmo is closed today. Is there a way of doing this, or something else I need to do to get my Quantum to speed up, or is it hopeless?
It originally was an ATT phone that I unlocked to run on Tmo.
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That's because AT&T and T-Mobile use different bands. AT&T phones are only compatible with T-Mobile 2G. If you're lucky, T-Mobile will be refarming spectrum in your area, so you can get 3G, but apparently this isn't the case for you.
Source: I have a Quantum on T-Mobile

Are you positive about that? I have a Galaxy Nexus that worked just fine once they updated the IMEI number, and now I have full use of Tmo's network on it. It was an ATT phone initially...

TheRandom1 said:
Are you positive about that? I have a Galaxy Nexus that worked just fine once they updated the IMEI number, and now I have full use of Tmo's network on it. It was an ATT phone initially...
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Galaxy Nexus: Supported Bands
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100
LG Quantum: Supported Bands
UMTS/HSDPA Tri-band (850/1900/2100 MHz)
T-Mobile:
850 MHz/1900 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE/UMTS/HSPA 2G
1900 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE 2G
1700 MHz UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+ 3G/4G
1900 MHz UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+ 3G/4G
1700 MHz LTE
The Quantum supports the italicized bands.
The Nexus supports the bolded bands.
As you can see, the Quantum's supported bands are used for 2G.

That is unfortunate... so everyone else using this phone is using it on ATT's network, not Tmo's?
Also incredibly disappointing since I was told that the networks were the same and that a phone that worked properly on one would work on another...

TheRandom1 said:
That is unfortunate... so everyone else using this phone is using it on ATT's network, not Tmo's?
Also incredibly disappointing since I was told that the networks were the same and that a phone that worked properly on one would work on another...
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Yes, most users are on AT&T. And as to your second point, I've never heard anybody say that...

I'll go ahead and bump this with one more question. With the announced merger between MetroPCS and T Mobile, is it safe to assume that MetroPCS' frequency spectrum will work with T Mobile phones? I believe I saw at least one band that the Quantum would be able to use.

I get Tmobile 3g on my Quantum, I'm in an area where they have 1900MHz coverage though.

Will this phone work on At&t 3g

I recently broke my phone screen and have a year and a half left til my upgrade. In my down time i've been looking at phones from china and was wondering if this one will work on my At&t 3g?
5.7'' Unlocked 8MP Android Quad Core GPS 3G DaulSim SmartPhone AT&T T-Mobile 8GB
2g network gsm 850/900/1800/1900
3g network wcdma 850/2100
or would I be better off going with say the Blu Life View

Spectre216 said:
I recently broke my phone screen and have a year and a half left til my upgrade. In my down time i've been looking at phones from china and was wondering if this one will work on my At&t 3g?
5.7'' Unlocked 8MP Android Quad Core GPS 3G DaulSim SmartPhone AT&T T-Mobile 8GB
gsm 850/900/1800/1900
wcdma 850/2100
or would I be better off going with say the Blu Life View
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Yeah those are the right GSM bands for 3G on AT&T.
edit: You will actually get "4G" with that phone (H+)

orangekid said:
Yeah those are the right GSM bands for 3G on AT&T.
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But it would only give me 3g on 850mhz waves right? The first ones are the 2g frequencies.

Spectre216 said:
But it would only give me 3g on 850mhz waves right? The first ones are the 2g frequencies.
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In order to get 3G on AT&T, the phone has to have GSM bands of both 850 and 1900. If it only has one you get 2G.
This phone has both.

orangekid said:
In order to get 3G on AT&T, the phone has to have GSM bands of both 850 and 1900. If it only has one you get 2G.
This phone has both.
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So then even though the specs say
2g network gsm 850/900/1800/1900
3g network umts 850/2100
it still will have full 3g coverage for att?

Oh I didn't see it separated like that..
Yeah the UMTS needs to be 850 and 1900, so that is Euro 3G, but it would probably only get 2G here.
Sorry for the confusion.

ok so look for phones with both umts 850 and 1900

Spectre216 said:
ok so look for phones with both umts 850 and 1900
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That is correct.