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In New York and 3G/WCDMA UMTS doesnt find signal... please help

I am very confused. my phone does not connect to 3g AT ALL.I have tmobile in usa in new york and I tried changing the settings in my phone options from gsm to wcdma and default the umts to 2100 and my phone stays on searching for service.. Can anyone help me out?? I want to be at 3g speeds not gprs... tmobile gprs is way too slow and it only works on GSM mode.. How do i connect to 3g with this phone? I updated my radio from 1.15 to 1.18 and I am getting the same exact results. This thing is driving me crazy, it just doesnt make sense.. someone please help me out, id greatly appreciate it
EDIT: Nevermind, i realized all of us HTC UNIVERSAL users are completely screwd because USA Supports only 1700-1900 Bands and the HTC UNIVERSAL only uses 2100mhz Bands.. NO 3G HTC UNIVERSAL IN THE USA. THIS SO SUCKS MAN.. =.-(

jxs714 said:
I am very confused. my phone does not connect to 3g AT ALL.I have tmobile in usa in new york and I tried changing the settings in my phone options from gsm to wcdma and default the umts to 2100 and my phone stays on searching for service.. Can anyone help me out?? I want to be at 3g speeds not gprs... tmobile gprs is way too slow and it only works on GSM mode.. How do i connect to 3g with this phone? I updated my radio from 1.15 to 1.18 and I am getting the same exact results. This thing is driving me crazy, it just doesnt make sense.. someone please help me out, id greatly appreciate it
EDIT: Nevermind, i realized all of us HTC UNIVERSAL users are completely screwd because USA Supports only 1700-1900 Bands and the HTC UNIVERSAL only uses 2100mhz Bands.. NO 3G HTC UNIVERSAL IN THE USA. THIS SO SUCKS MAN.. =.-(
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From what I have read on the Internet and speaking to a well knowledged person at a T-Mobile store the 1700 & 2100 AWS will be deployed in the United States. This is the same technology used in Europe on the 2100 UMTS WCDMA frequency. The T-Mobile representative had mentioned that New York City was using the 1700 AWS UMTS Frequency for voice & data but will also be deploying the 2100 Frequency later this year or early next year which last year T-Mobile was the highest bidder at the AWS auction and had also purchased this frequency but which originally the 2100 frequency was used by the government only for satellite transmission. Once the 2100 Frequency is deployed your radio will search for and if available find the 2100 frequency and connect to it automatically. You do not have to get a different sim card like AT&T which you have to purchase a 3G sim card. I am also anxious to get that frequency but is not yet available in my area. The best radio version is 1.15.

very very interesting... i cant wait till that comes then..

Park said:
The best radio version is 1.15.
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I disagree, usually with most software the higher the version number the better, and there is no evidence that 1.18 is any worse than 1.15 at all. I've been using 1.18 for around 1 year with no problems.

I was use a lot of times for search wcdma network name in shanghai , beijing or hongkong.
first , you need insert USIM card ,not SIM card to handset.USIM card is Support reg to WCDMA or GSM network.

Park said:
From what I have read on the Internet and speaking to a well knowledged person at a T-Mobile store the 1700 & 2100 AWS will be deployed in the United States. This is the same technology used in Europe on the 2100 UMTS WCDMA frequency. The T-Mobile representative had mentioned that New York City was using the 1700 AWS UMTS Frequency for voice & data but will also be deploying the 2100 Frequency later this year or early next year which last year T-Mobile was the highest bidder at the AWS auction and had also purchased this frequency but which originally the 2100 frequency was used by the government only for satellite transmission. Once the 2100 Frequency is deployed your radio will search for and if available find the 2100 frequency and connect to it automatically. You do not have to get a different sim card like AT&T which you have to purchase a 3G sim card. I am also anxious to get that frequency but is not yet available in my area. The best radio version is 1.15.
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You're post has been the most insightful writeup in regards to T-mobile US 3G I've ever came across, Many thanks!

3G ATT (usa)?

not quite sure how to search this so i guess ill ask (or reask) the question.
1. am i able to reflash my Leo to work with USA ATT 3g bands if a rom ever comes out in the future?
2. can someone confirm to me if step #49 of this tips and tricks thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583638) and that piece of 3G activation software works and can allow my Leo to work with ATT 3g? (i dont think it does)
thanks!

1. Nope. It's all hardware.
2. See above. Nope.
It's all edge, my friend!

b-16707 said:
not quite sure how to search this so i guess ill ask (or reask) the question.
1. am i able to reflash my Leo to work with USA ATT 3g bands if a rom ever comes out in the future?
2. can someone confirm to me if step #49 of this tips and tricks thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583638) and that piece of 3G activation software works and can allow my Leo to work with ATT 3g? (i dont think it does)
thanks!
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The HTC HD2 will not use 3g in the US. But since the phone is so fast, browsing the internet using edge is faster then with 3G on a sony X1a (my last phone).

do you already have an HD2? Regardless of anything you've read thus far, 3G is hardware dependent. No USA 3G internal radio? No USA 3G.
If you don't already have one, just wait until next month because the HD2 is supposedly coming to Telstra (who operates on 850mhz 3G, just like AT&T). HTC have said that the HD2 is coming in Q1 2010 but it's more than likely going toward T-Mo (based on leaked pics) or other carriers other than AT&T.

ah well i was under the impression that the hardware was both same for euro and us releases and just the software controlling it was different...(and how come they didnt name it the T8582 vs the T8585 as with the HD1 standard for the 2 different radios?....how they gonna distinguish the different hardware HD2s?)
come next year i may just sell mine for the new one (testra one you said). i dont suppose that tmo one will work with att 3g as its on a worldwide 3g band huh.
truly is a nice phone no doubt still

T-Mo US operates on 1700mhz AND 2100mhz for 3G (someone correct me if im wrong...one for uplink and the other for downlink). ATT can operate on 850mhz OR 1900mhz. The European version only has 900mhz and 2100mhz. As you can see, if you use the HD2 in the US (t-mo or ATT) right now, you're restricted to only EDGE unless they both possess their respective 3G bands.

this is what someone on htcforums.com said to me...confirm? deny? reject? love? i guess im just receiving conflicting info as to why this guy would believe this then?
"What you are asking about is a software differentiation. According to PDADB.net, the HD2 US version is scheduled for March 2010. http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2 ... us_htc_leo
The GSM version currently available is capable of T-Mobile US 3G frequencies; as T-Mo is the only US company to use WorldWide frequencies {2100MHz}. The version that is scheduled for March will be for AT&T frequencies. Since the hardware on these two versions are identical, you could flash a WorldWide version with a US version radio, & use a WW version with AT&T."

Your link doesnt work. I don't want to beat on a dead horse, but countless of T-Mo USA users have the HD2 and they could only have access to EDGE. Like I said, for T-Mo USA, their 3G has a split frequency (one for upload the other for download) that's why you need both 1700mhz and 2100mhz.

thats the link
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2062&view=1&c=htc_hd2_us_htc_leo
bah oh well. the dude seems adamant that it will work...

ah here we go, this was the comparison i was looking for
USA
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2062&view=1&c=htc_hd2_us_htc_leo
other
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1783&view=1&c=htc_hd2_t8585_htc_leo_100
this on HTC's site
Europe: Network Bands
* HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz
* GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz <------
Asia Pacific:
* HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz
* GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz <------
which means it can work here no? since USA att 3G is 850 or 1900?

* HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz <--3G
* GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz <-- EDGE

Your problem is that you're looking at the voice/2G/EDGE bands. The HD2 is a quadband phone, so you can pretty much use it anywhere in the world. Your original question was regarding 3G, which the HD2 does not support here in the USA (yet).
3G would be this line HSPA/WCDMA. See how it's only support 900/2100mhz?

GSM is only voice correct? .... getting my voice/data abbreviations all mixed up...

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GSM is only voice correct? .... getting my voice/data abbreviations all mixed up...
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GSM is voice and EDGE (data)

For ATT the key is 850mhz 3G as that what ATT has been adding, I don't believe they are doing any new 1900 towers. You can bing it there are lot's of articles about the iPhone congestion and changing/adding 850 towers. If we are lucky Telstra an, Australian carrier, will pick up the phone soon because they use the same 850 just like ATT. This is how people got the 3G on the HD(1) to work on ATT in the united states. HTCPedia posted a Telstra HD2 rom on Dec 9th, so hopefully they are close to releasing.

HTC Magic (Vodafone UK) - Trying to get 3g in the states?

I have just taken a job in the states and brought my phone with me. I was expecting to be able to get 3g when I insert an AT&T or T-Mobile sim card. Unfortauntely the best that the phone seems to be able to get is Edge.
After doing a bit of research it seems that in the US they are using differnt frequencies.
Does anyone know of a fix which would allow my phone to get 3g in the states?

kdrover said:
I have just taken a job in the states and brought my phone with me. I was expecting to be able to get 3g when I insert an AT&T or T-Mobile sim card. Unfortauntely the best that the phone seems to be able to get is Edge.
After doing a bit of research it seems that in the US they are using differnt frequencies.
Does anyone know of a fix which would allow my phone to get 3g in the states?
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T-Mobile are, I think, UMTS 900 / 2100 (perhaps like Vodafone in the UK and elsewhere, which is why we can all use T-Mobile-based rooted HTC ROMs in our phones).
AT&T is UMTS 850 and 1900.
At the moment no phone on earth can do both UMTS 850 *and* UMTS 900. These frequencies are used to provide longer range coverage in low-density service areas - in other words, most city-edge and countryside places.
UMTS 1900, 2100 and other higher numbered frequencies are used in higher-density areas to provide more calling / data capacity, but with the downside of more limited range.
It seems (googling) that AT&T do 850/1900 and T-Mobile do 1700 (as of May '08 sez Wikipedia), though the T-Mobile MyTouch3G does 1700 and 2100....so maybe T-Mobile now do 2100 as well (at least in some places). There doesn't appear to be much, if any overlap on 3G frequencies between carriers and users must be EDGE only on the telco that doesn't match their phone. Everyone does EDGE.
In New Zealand, where I am, one carrier does 850 and the other 900...but they both support 2100....and a 3rd carrier will soon be offering 2100 later this year.....so you do get *some* 3G on just one phone in built up areas where telcos need more capacity and use 2100....but you get nothing in the countryside and have to used EDGE/GPRS.
There are about 7 UMTS frequency bands all up (Wikipedia).....so any single device is going to be seriously challenged to support all those well.....and what telco would want their phones to do that anyway? Frequency incompatibilities prevent their customers from leaving.......which explains why there aren't any phones that do all 7.

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T-Mobile are, I think, UMTS 900 / 2100 (perhaps like Vodafone in the UK and elsewhere, which is why we can all use T-Mobile-based rooted HTC ROMs in our phones).
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If Vodafone (UK) & T-Mobile (US) are using the same UMTS frequencies, does this mean that I should be able to get 3g in the states? I am currently using a T-mobile (US) sim card but the phone is only getting an Edge connection. Maybe I need a ROM update??

maybe your in a area with no 3g coverage?
go to t mobiles website or better yet go here
http://coverage.t-mobile.com/default.aspx?pageType=idealer
and press the data coverage tab....are you in a purple place?

glendawg619 said:
maybe your in a area with no 3g coverage?
go to t mobiles website or better yet go here
http://coverage.t-mobile.com/default.aspx?pageType=idealer
and press the data coverage tab....are you in a purple place?
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I checked on the t-mobile site and Tampa, FL appears to be all purple.

Have you checked your settings?
Settings -> Wireless controls -> Mobile networks -> Make sure 2G only is "Un-ticked"
If it doesn't work, maybe you would like to consider selling your one on ebay and buying a Magic {or other handset} from the US

Samsung Galaxy S I9000 works with T-mobile US?

I would like to know if this version work 3G with T-mobile US , i want to get it from clove.co.uk but i want to make sure first if it works with T-mobile US 3G ....
Thanks

clove sell them with 3g frequencies of
3G Network - HSDPA 900/1900/2100
t-mobile usa uses 3g on
1700 and 2100
so you would be missing a band, doubt it would be any good for you.

no 3G without the 1700 band
tmo usa uses 1700 upload and 2100 download - i foolishly thought i could survive with just 3G on the download side - luckily someone that had tried it with a HTC Desire from Tmo UK told me it didn't - if tmo usa network doesn't see both sides of the AWS IV band (1700 & 2100) it will limit the connection to 2G speeds

larryccf said:
no 3G without the 1700 band
tmo usa uses 1700 upload and 2100 download - i foolishly thought i could survive with just 3G on the download side - luckily someone that had tried it with a HTC Desire from Tmo UK told me it didn't - if tmo usa network doesn't see both sides of the AWS IV band (1700 & 2100) it will limit the connection to 2G speeds
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that's why they call it a "band". Without both frequencies that are bound together, it aint gonna work.

Thanks guys for the answers. I really like this phone but I don't want to get the one in tmobile, because I want Arabic support and I don't know if vibrant accept I900 0 Roms . If it does of course I will get it . So my q now is the vibrant accept I9000 roms or not ?
Thanks again
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Should a UK HD2 act different on a Canadian Network?

Hi All
I have recently moved to Canada with my UK HTC HD2.
Since moving here I have changed my phone provider to Fido (Rogers Network). Internet seems extremely slow compared to my UK provider.
Someone told me that because I have a UK phone it is not using the correct bands for HSPA and that's why my internet access is so slow. Internet access is extremely fast on Wi-Fi so I know it's not a problem with the ROM etc.
Can anyone give me any ideas if this sounds correct - do I need to sell my UK HTC HD2 and purchase an American one to get over this problem?
Thanks

I think your friend is correct.
Rogers uses 850Mhz and 1900 Mhz, while in the
United Kingdom the bands used are 800Mhz and 1800Mhz (and some 2100Mhz),
Your UK HD2 is of European configuration, and should be able to cope with the Rogers frequencies. (See)
Your phone uses 900 - 2100 for 3G
Rogers provides it at 850 - 1900 , therefore your phone will slow down to GPRS speeds.
Have you tried flashing a new radio ROM?
If so, perhaps you should try another one.
At least in theory you could keep your phone and have mobile broadband.
What your friend is telling is true for dual band phones, however the HD2 is quad band..... Perhaps contact your provider (sometimes the dataplan has not been correctly activated, therefore access to mobile broadband is denied, and you will revert to the low GSM data band)
Otherwise contact HTC.
PS: Sorry for my ****-up

the t8585 (regular hd2) uses 900 and 2100 for 3g.
source
thats why canadian users with cash to splash go for the australian telstra model which uses 850/2100
You will only get GPRS and edge speeds, and no, the american wont get 3g either.

Yep....
I's official, I am cross-eyed, got the correct info, but wrong interpretation.
I stand corrected.

Thanks to both of you for the response .... I'm a little confused though!
So if I bought a T-Mobile USA model - that wouldn't give me 3G on the Rogers network I'm on? I have to buy an Australian Telstra model to get 3G?
Thanks!
*EDIT* ... Oh I think I get it now... I don't need to have the 850 and 1900 bands to use 3G on the Rogers network so long as I have one or the other - correct me if I am wrong please?

yea thats it, and the US hd2 has 1700/2100 which is why that one doesnt get 3g on rogers.

I get ya! Thanks for that.... so is Canada the only country that uses 1900? I'm asking because I now know that I can buy an Australian phone to suit the 850 but is there another country's phone apart from Canada that will use the 1900 band?
also I noticed something in my phone settings....there's an option to change my base band so I have selected 850/1900 GSM but it doesn't seem to have made a great deal of difference even after a reset

that's gsm, (calls, gprs and edge) nothing to do with the umts bands.
put umts bands into google, theres a Wikipedia page tells you what countries and networks use what bands.