iPad SIM in a Galaxy Note - Galaxy Note GT-N7000 General

Hey Guys! I think I'll be pulling the trigger soon in buying to Galaxy Note, I just wanted to give out a shout and see if anyone here has used a iPad Data only SIM card (micro Sim inside a adapter).
I currently have the $30 month unlimited plan and I use that SIM in my iPhone 4 with a custom APN. I would think the APN modification would be the same for the Note, where you just change "wap.cingular" to simply: "Broadband" as I had to do with my iPhone 4.
I was just curious is anyone else has done this yet? I did a search and I have been trolling, but I have yet to find anything about a user using a iPad SIM inside a Android PHONE(though I used it on the ATT Galaxy tab with no modification)
I have been able to use talkatone/google voice to be completely Data centric, though I do have the cheapest gophone that I keep turned off in my car just in case...I was able to use my Galaxy Tab in the same way, so I don't see any reason why I can't use a Galaxy Note with data only.

I would be interested to know as well. I think I want to just use the Note as a mini tablet paired to my iPhone 4S. Can the Note be used only with a data plan?

iPad 2 Data Only plan on Galaxy Note
I bought the Galaxy Note about a week now, and I have been using it as a replacement for my iPad 2 rather then a 2nd phone. (Currently using Galaxy SII). My iPad 2 data plan has unlimited 3G and the only problem was the convert the microSIM to a Regular SIM. In the end, I decided to visit the local telecom services (Using One2free-CSL, Hong Kong) and asked for a replacement of a new SIM card. I tried using a MicroSIM adaptor and honestly as I plug in the adaptor halfway to the SGN it started to get tight and hard to pull it back out. This is why I decided to as for a replacement SIM rather then using a microSIM adapter.
Anyways the end result is, it works... I am currently running my GSN on One2free Data only network plan (+21 Mbps) and rocking it.

I made an adapter out of a credit card, its very easy but dangerous
Selotape the credit card firmly to a flat piece of wood.
Draw round a normal sim then draw round the micro sim aligning the contacts with the normal sim ones. Cut the micro sim out of the centre first then cut the outsides out after that using a craft knife.
Press the micro sim in in the hole youve made.
Watch your fingers lol...

plee85 said:
I bought the Galaxy Note about a week now, and I have been using it as a replacement for my iPad 2 rather then a 2nd phone. (Currently using Galaxy SII). My iPad 2 data plan has unlimited 3G and the only problem was the convert the microSIM to a Regular SIM. In the end, I decided to visit the local telecom services (Using One2free-CSL, Hong Kong) and asked for a replacement of a new SIM card. I tried using a MicroSIM adaptor and honestly as I plug in the adaptor halfway to the SGN it started to get tight and hard to pull it back out. This is why I decided to as for a replacement SIM rather then using a microSIM adapter.
Anyways the end result is, it works... I am currently running my GSN on One2free Data only network plan (+21 Mbps) and rocking it.
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Did you have to modify of change the APN at all? Or you just put it in there and data magically worked?
Bengaz said:
I made an adapter out of a credit card, its very easy but dangerous
Selotape the credit card firmly to a flat piece of wood.
Draw round a normal sim then draw round the micro sim aligning the contacts with the normal sim ones. Cut the micro sim out of the centre first then cut the outsides out after that using a craft knife.
Press the micro sim in in the hole youve made.
Watch your fingers lol...
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I have a adapter from when I used it on my Galaxy tab, I think I will be find with that.

Well, I placed a Order for a Note, if I can't get my iPad SIM to work I'll try and do a GoPhone plan, and if that does not work, I'll buy a iPhone 4S, sell the 4S and use that plan.

Also trying to use my iPad data only sim card in my new Samsung Galaxy Note.
Tried setting up a new APN setting - found on various forums - for AT&T
wap.cingular
but so far have not got it working
Anyone figured this out yet?

Spartan2x said:
Well, I placed a Order for a Note, if I can't get my iPad SIM to work I'll try and do a GoPhone plan, and if that does not work, I'll buy a iPhone 4S, sell the 4S and use that plan.
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Please update us on whether you've been able to get it to work or not.

ipad sim
Hello. I've been running an iPad 3g sim with unlimited data through several android phones and now the note. I use google voice and csipsimple to get by on calling and texting and the rest of my data is for netflix and browsing. I love it. Only $29.99 every month no tax and I can do anything that every other plan offers. Anyways to setup an android phone for the iPad sim the apn should be set as
Name: anything you want
Apn: broadband
Leave everything else to not set.
MCC: 310
MNC: 410
Authentication type: select none
And that's it. Make sure you hit the menu button and save the apn then Delete any other apn on the phone and you'll be good to go . Hope this helps.

I was able to get an ATT pre-paid tablet sim and works just fine in the note. Using the APN broadband as described above. I just went in the store, told them I had a GSM compatible tablet and wanted tablet plan. They did have to activate the sim using the IEMI of a tablet in the store but works without any problems. Prior to doing that, I tried friends iPhone sim and Cellular One sim and both worked without issue. Did manually configure the APN of course.

I used the same setting as noted above. Its the same settings at you would use on a ATT phone, you are just excluding the mms fields abd changing wap.cingular to "broadband" as i had to do on my iphone 4.
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Stupid question and a little off-topic, but will an iPad SIM work with an unlocked iPhone 4S? When I travel, I wouldn't mind using an unlocked iPhone 4 with data only. I don't see a reason to get voice. If it does work, will I be able to tether devices to the iPhone 4S and get data via wifi or bluetooth?

lsquare said:
Stupid question and a little off-topic, but will an iPad SIM work with an unlocked iPhone 4S? When I travel, I wouldn't mind using an unlocked iPhone 4 with data only. I don't see a reason to get voice. If it does work, will I be able to tether devices to the iPhone 4S and get data via wifi or bluetooth?
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From that I understand the Custom APN changer does work on the 4S as well.
You simply go to:
http://unlockit.co.nz/
on your iphone
Select your country and "AT&T (Broadband)" as your carrier
Install APN
This works while in the US with a ATT iPad SIM. I am not sure about other iPad sims for other countries. You used to be able to complete your own APN, but now it seams they are sticking to standardized ones that have to be pre-programmed by their website. This also lets you use a normal iPhone SIm in your iPad for data only.
I doubt you would be able to tether. There is no Jailbreak available for the 4S yet, and if you can't get tethering on the Data only plans. Maybe if you had a unlocked 4S? IDK if the tethering feature works like that if your plan does not support it or if its not locked down.

Any android tablet???
So, I am to understand I can use my iPad sim unlimited ATT 3G in any Android tablet? Ie Samsung 7.7, Note,or when released the Asus 700?
Do I need to do anything to sim card so it fits in sim slots on these tablets?

dubsm177 said:
Hello. I've been running an iPad 3g sim with unlimited data through several android phones and now the note. I use google voice and csipsimple to get by on calling and texting and the rest of my data is for netflix and browsing. I love it. Only $29.99 every month no tax and I can do anything that every other plan offers. Anyways to setup an android phone for the iPad sim the apn should be set as
Name: anything you want
Apn: broadband
Leave everything else to not set.
MCC: 310
MNC: 410
Authentication type: select none
And that's it. Make sure you hit the menu button and save the apn then Delete any other apn on the phone and you'll be good to go . Hope this helps.
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before i test someones ipad sim in my samsung GS3, i tried to edit the apn section:
i cant delete the 2 existing apn settings for my telus canada sim, nor edit them, they are dimmed.
i can add a new apn and highlight it with the little green radio box.
but i cannot then delete the other 2 that look like they automatically show up on inserting my sim
i have done the gs3 unlock steps also, using the phone dialer codes...
any ideas?

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why removed?
my gs3 is unlocked supposedly by the phone dialer method on these forums.
if the apn is dimmed due to locking, that would show how to verify that that method of unlock works...
why cant i edit the apn...
and if i put in an ipad sim, will it be dimmed too...
hmmm

eglacias said:
why removed?
my gs3 is unlocked supposedly by the phone dialer method on these forums.
if the apn is dimmed due to locking, that would show how to verify that that method of unlock works...
why cant i edit the apn...
and if i put in an ipad sim, will it be dimmed too...
hmmm
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just tried a rogers canada sim (i was originally locked to telus which is NOT the same network)
it works percectly and i can edit the apn entries
funny, but when i put back in my telus sim, i CANNOT edit the apn.
mabe its sim dependent.
now i can finally test an ipad data plan sim, i have yet to find one from another ipad user, but its only $20 to buy one on fido's 15 day money back guarantee and try activating in a friends ipad tablet who currently doesent use a sim....

eglacias said:
just tried a rogers canada sim (i was originally locked to telus which is NOT the same network)
it works percectly and i can edit the apn entries
funny, but when i put back in my telus sim, i CANNOT edit the apn.
mabe its sim dependent.
now i can finally test an ipad data plan sim, i have yet to find one from another ipad user, but its only $20 to buy one on fido's 15 day money back guarantee and try activating in a friends ipad tablet who currently doesent use a sim....
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ok, last update on this unresponsive thread with mysterious removed info about locking...:ill copy it to the gs3 specific forum though im sure it applies to the note 2 as well.
1) my phone-dialer-code-style unlocked (as per these forums) samsung galaxy s3 i747m JB 4.1.1 stock rom, rooted, telus canada will take any sim, i have tested it and the unlock works.
2) i finally went and got a tablet flex data plan with telus canada, made for android as well as ipad. they activated it in store, no need to go find a friend with an ipad or device.
i put it in my gs3 and immediately had functionality (but with accidental settings for expensive pay per use data because of telus' apn settings that get automatically set up if a sim is put into a phone and not a tablet).
3) apn settings are changeable but NOT by editing, only by adding a new one and not using the save menu choice (!):
i needed to go to the apn area on my gs3 and ADD a new proper apn (see 4 below) without changing the other 2 dimmed and unchangeable ones
then i had to NOT choose save from menu but rather, just EXIT out with the back button
once back to the apn list which then shows 3 entries instead of 2 i had to only tap the radio button of the new apn and exit out with the back button again. if i then go back in and look at my new apn, it has filled in a few other fields automatically but left the important one for telus canada which is the APN:
isp.telus.com
and NOT sp.telus.com which would give you a $600 bill at the end of the month.
4) only apn entries required were:
add new apn
name: whatever
apn: isp.telus.com
then hit BACK button INSTEAD OF save, itll show a selectable radio button, select it, back out again with back button
rest of settings are auto filled and your up and running, no more steps, tethering included.

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ATT edge wont work on x1

hey guys,
I have put a sim card from my iphone 1st gen to my x1... the x1 can detect the sim and auto config itself to att setting. However it always show its on the 3G network (should be edge instead) and whenever I try to get online it will say it cannot connect to the server.... any idea on how to fix it?
I have tried to put in a att 3G sim in it and it works perfectly fine.. so I am guessing somehow the phone just like the 3G network better and always try to get itself on the 3G but not the edge??
I tried using the advance config to bring out the disable 3G tab in the communication manager... but its always gray out and nothing I can do to it.
odobo said:
hey guys,
I have put a sim card from my iphone 1st gen to my x1... the x1 can detect the sim and auto config itself to att setting. However it always show its on the 3G network (should be edge instead) and whenever I try to get online it will say it cannot connect to the server.... any idea on how to fix it?
I have tried to put in a att 3G sim in it and it works perfectly fine.. so I am guessing somehow the phone just like the 3G network better and always try to get itself on the 3G but not the edge??
I tried using the advance config to bring out the disable 3G tab in the communication manager... but its always gray out and nothing I can do to it.
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Was your last phone the iPhone? If so you have to make sure to do 4 things before internet will work on any other phone you put that sim in
1. Call ATT&T and have them put the Xperia IMEI number on your account.
2. Change your data plan from the iPhone data plan to the "pda personal" data plan
3. Confirm all references to the iPhone are out of ATT&T systems. I had this problem a couple of weeks ago where I changed my data plan but the rep forgot to update something in the billing system which still referenced me as having an iPhone and my internet would not work until they removed it.
4. Go into the connection manager on the phone and edit the wap.cingular settings. For some reason the connection manager populates a username and password, you need to delete both values as ATT&T medianet no longer uses a username and password
Your phone showing "H" (3G) doesn't really have any bearing on if you actually have internet connectivity as my phone was doing the same thing even before I got everything straightened out with ATT&T.
jhoward1082 said:
Was your last phone the iPhone? If so you have to make sure to do 4 things before internet will work on any other phone you put that sim in
1. Call ATT&T and have them put the Xperia IMEI number on your account.
2. Change your data plan from the iPhone data plan to the "pda personal" data plan
3. Confirm all references to the iPhone are out of ATT&T systems. I had this problem a couple of weeks ago where I changed my data plan but the rep forgot to update something in the billing system which still referenced me as having an iPhone and my internet would not work until they removed it.
4. Go into the connection manager on the phone and edit the wap.cingular settings. For some reason the connection manager populates a username and password, you need to delete both values as ATT&T medianet no longer uses a username and password
Your phone showing "H" (3G) doesn't really have any bearing on if you actually have internet connectivity as my phone was doing the same thing even before I got everything straightened out with ATT&T.
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Exactly - nicely said - now did you get an X1a or X1i?
jhoward1082 said:
Was your last phone the iPhone? If so you have to make sure to do 4 things before internet will work on any other phone you put that sim in
1. Call ATT&T and have them put the Xperia IMEI number on your account.
2. Change your data plan from the iPhone data plan to the "pda personal" data plan
3. Confirm all references to the iPhone are out of ATT&T systems. I had this problem a couple of weeks ago where I changed my data plan but the rep forgot to update something in the billing system which still referenced me as having an iPhone and my internet would not work until they removed it.
4. Go into the connection manager on the phone and edit the wap.cingular settings. For some reason the connection manager populates a username and password, you need to delete both values as ATT&T medianet no longer uses a username and password
Your phone showing "H" (3G) doesn't really have any bearing on if you actually have internet connectivity as my phone was doing the same thing even before I got everything straightened out with ATT&T.
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hrmm... cool let me try that and see.... I was thinking I can just pop in a sim card and work =D
but do you have to change to the smartphone plane or you can use the unlimited media?
i just popped in my sim card and everything worked. didnt have to call to give them my ime number but then again, i have a prepaid phone sim card and dont know if that would make a difference.
i dont see why your wanting edge, when 3g (h) is what you should really be wanting. well anyways, you wont get edge, if 3g is available. thats your phone picking up the high speed band, it will pick up whats available. thats just my thoughts anyways.
i have an x1a
c_legaspi said:
i just popped in my sim card and everything worked. didnt have to call to give them my ime number but then again, i have a prepaid phone sim card and dont know if that would make a difference.
i dont see why your wanting edge, when 3g (h) is what you should really be wanting. well anyways, you wont get edge, if 3g is available. thats your phone picking up the high speed band, it will pick up whats available. thats just my thoughts anyways.
i have an x1a
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well I just came back from Asia so I am just wondering why my x1 isnt connecting to edge at all
and btw... when I put that iphone sim to my blackjack 2... it did connect to the edge network instead of the 3G for some reason
is blackjack a 3g phone or edge. i thought its just an edge phone but i just looked it up and it does support 3g.

ATT SIM Card

Hello,
I have an ATT data plan that I use with a wireless card. My question is can I just take the SIM card out of my wireless card and insert it into my Galaxy tab? Thanks in advance for your help.
geebee1932 said:
Hello,
I have an ATT data plan that I use with a wireless card. My question is can I just take the SIM card out of my wireless card and insert it into my Galaxy tab? Thanks in advance for your help.
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I don't think it's that hard to find out. Just pull it out and insert it in.
I think he is asking for permission
Actually I should say that I don't have the tab yet but wondered if this would work. Anyone try it?
I have the tmobile version. I popped my sim card in and got 3g but redirected. I think that there isnt a restriction you can pop in your sim and start using it. If you want to use it as a phone you need to flash the firmware. check the att thread
No... This did not work effectively for me when I took the Samsung Galaxy Captivate (SGH-I897) SIM from AT&T and inserted it into the Tab... After talking to AT&T for several hours and even asking them to validate with Samsung we determined the following:
1. Audio calls using the 3G network is not possible at this point in time.
2. Needed to enable a separate data plan with AT&T and a new phone # using the SIM for 3G data (2GB/mo = $25 + I added the unlimited messaging = $15 /mo).
Jeff
geebee1932 said:
Hello,
I have an ATT data plan that I use with a wireless card. My question is can I just take the SIM card out of my wireless card and insert it into my Galaxy tab? Thanks in advance for your help.
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It will work just fine. At least it does on my AT&T Tab with Euro JK5 ROM.
jeverton said:
No... This did not work effectively for me when I took the Samsung Galaxy Captivate (SGH-I897) SIM from AT&T and inserted it into the Tab... After talking to AT&T for several hours and even asking them to validate with Samsung we determined the following:
1. Audio calls using the 3G network is not possible at this point in time.
2. Needed to enable a separate data plan with AT&T and a new phone # using the SIM for 3G data (2GB/mo = $25 + I added the unlimited messaging = $15 /mo).
Jeff
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Well, if you have hours to spend for AT&T rep, why don't you spend some time reading up from this forum? Here is a good place to start http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=847273
Of course, it's not supported by AT&T but then why buy the tab if you can't do sh*t about it? If that the case, I would prolly buy an iPad and feed Steve Jobs so he could be wealthier
What the heck is wrong with some of you? Why don't some of you think for yourselves? I didn't even hestitate, I asked the sales rep if I could pop my SIM into their display model and she said ok. It downloaded data immediately on my account. And I have unlimited data plan and the SIM normally sits in my Tilt 2.
It works. I had the common sense to just do it then and there.
Sure, it doesn't make calls. That's a ROM issue. But then that's also heavily documented here on this forum and the info to defeat that is there, too.
Sheesh.

My New Nightmare Tablet

Picked up my Tablet yesterday from T-Mobile. Connected to the web etc using Wi-Fi because I had lots of software to download. Could NOT get any data with my sim card.
I am grandfathered into a data package with T-Mobile which gives me Unlimited Data for $19.99 plus a voice package. Support told me that for this tablet to work I had to upgrade to their Web Connect package for $39.95 and I would NOT have voice. [because they INSIST voice is IMPOSSIBLE with the Galaxy Tab.] [whatever]
I didn't want to agree to their upgrade because my sim works PERFECT in my Dell Streak 5 .. I believe that there is something wrong with the Gal-Tab. I kept telling them that the internet net was the same in their web connect package, it was just more expensive. They told me I was wrong. So I said .. OK make the change. They did and 12 hours later I still cannot connect.
I contacted them this morning and got them to give me my OLD $19.99 internet package and voice back ..
SO .. Any ideas ?? I even tried changing the APN on the Samsung to the same as on my streak. My streak is epc.mobile.com .. the Samsung had it as epc.tmobile.com
I had an issue with my data when I first got my tab too - the support personnel signed me up for an incorrect data package and all I got was a redirect to a Tmobile page when trying to use the browser (and no data on any other apps).
After talking to Support they changed my data package and voila, it worked.
So what's going on - unfortunately T-Mobile US filters Galaxy Tab's by IMEI. As such, they completely block it from working on any plan other than the data plan built for it. Despite the fact that the tab is technically capable of being a phone, T-Mobile will not allow it on their network.
So your telling me when I get my galaxy tab if I pop in my wifes T Mobile sim it wont work. That is truly annoying.
Instead of getting a new data package I am going to just pay the 10 a month to add mobile hot spot to her phone which will work great (maybe even faster because she has 4G on her phone)
THANKS .. I hate T-Mobile but have been with them for 8 years .. I guess I have just learned to put up with their NONSENSE !!
Since Dell Streak 5 came from AT&T Tmo does not have records and treats it as a smartphone. The same will be true for the Galaxy Tab purchased from AT&T. You will be able to get data and even voice using other Tmo Sim after reflashing proper firmware.
But since these two carriers use different frequencies for 3G you would get only EDGE.
It is hard for us to understand rational for such decisions. It seems that they are loosing Tab sales. Why do European carriers find it profitable while US not?
there is a way to get both voice+data on the tab using a standard t-mobile sim with data+voice. 1-you need to flash an European ROM to get voice and 2-then there is the issue of the IMEI which blocks the tab from accessing the web with a sim that already has data.
the second part cant really be posted as i was already removed by the mods due to rules violations, but it can be done i am using my Vibrants SIM on the tab.
Sounds like someone failed to do their homework. T-mo Tab is suppose to be data-only device and utilizes different APN's with custom modem firmware then smartphones, hence why your SIM would not work. You need to root the Tab, flash Euro firmware, then flash a custom modem. Instructions can be found in the development forum. Also, keep in mind that flashed T-Mo Tab can only get EDGE, no 3G.
AnyMal said:
Sounds like someone failed to do their homework. T-mo Tab is suppose to be data-only device and utilizes different APN's with custom modem firmware then smartphones, hence why your SIM would not work. You need to root the Tab, flash Euro firmware, then flash a custom modem. Instructions can be found in the development forum. Also, keep in mind that flashed T-Mo Tab can only get EDGE, no 3G.
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That's not correct! You can get 3g data with your T-Mobile sim card with the correct modem. Just use roto-modem switcher
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I think all our posts can confuse anyone.
The question was about using Tmobile smartphone Sim with the Tmobile Tab.
Let me say this: there is no way to get legitimely both voice and data on Tmo network using Tmo Sim. You can get voice without cellular data, or 3G data with different modem and separately paid broadband service Sim not the smartphone Sim.
I put my Sim card from my MyTouch 4G on the Tablet and phone works n/p but you need to flash a Euro rom! Thats it bottom line! Flash The rom and you will have phone access

[Q] use ATT laptop SIM in ATT GT

I have a laptop that has a ATT SIM card with data plan. I tried to use it with my ATT Galaxy tab but it didn't work! I easily reach my 2GB limit on my TAB and I was hoping I could use the one in the laptop since I rarely use it. I did SIM unlock (although both are ATT SIMs) yet didn't work.
Any ideas if this can be done and how?
Thanks
Hello.
Although not specific for you, I've done similar with my Canadian Bell Android phone with unlimited data plan, and Bell Galaxy Tab with pay per use plan.
I now have galaxy tab with unlimited data plan, provider is none the wiser.
Your issue might be the apn difference between the tab and the apn set up on your laptop's sim plan.
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Thanks for your reply, but how did you do it? or it did work right out of the box without any adjustments?
Anybody have an answer or work around would be much appreciated
Find the APN settings from your service provider for the sim.
Then install APNDROID PRO and enter them settting from above. Install the sim and your laughing! !!!
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AT&T data only

Hi,
I am trying to get an AT&T data plan only for my Note. SO I was trying to get the data plan for a tablet and AT&T gave me a SIM card but they wouldn't activate it. They said I need to put it in my tablet to activate it. Does anyone know if I can just call AT&T and ask them to activate it for me over the phone???
Any other way to get data only plan on the Note?
I made a thread about this last week and never got a answer. I plan to be doing the same once I get mine. I have my Micro SIM from my iPAD(unlimited Data)
I know with the iPhone the only APN I had to change was the wap.cingular. I typed "Broadband" instead, and my iPhone works with the Data only SIM.
I used that same sim with a converter in my ATT Galaxy Tab with no modification.
See if you can find the normal ATT APN then do what I did, subtract the "wap.cingular" for "broadband"
If you are waiyting and just want to activate it...maybe try and fone some one with a 3g ipad that will let you activate your plan? Once you do, they can pop their sim back in and it wil be as if you never did anything.
Spartan2x said:
I made a thread about this last week and never got a answer. I plan to be doing the same once I get mine. I have my Micro SIM from my iPAD(unlimited Data)
I know with the iPhone the only APN I had to change was the wap.cingular. I typed "Broadband" instead, and my iPhone works with the Data only SIM.
I used that same sim with a converter in my ATT Galaxy Tab with no modification.
See if you can find the normal ATT APN then do what I did, subtract the "wap.cingular" for "broadband"
If you are waiyting and just want to activate it...maybe try and fone some one with a 3g ipad that will let you activate your plan? Once you do, they can pop their sim back in and it wil be as if you never did anything.
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right, except I can't find anyone with neither non wifi only android tablet or ipad

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