Im not understanding why there is a distinction between the two. I thought you could not have ROMS and Root on 2.3? If you flash a 2.3 ROM do you then lose your root access and have to downgrade all over again to get 2.2/root and try a new ROM?
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Im not understanding why there is a distinction between the two. I thought you could not have ROMS and Root on 2.3? If you flash a 2.3 ROM do you then lose your root access and have to downgrade all over again to get 2.2/root and try a new ROM?
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If your on stock 2.3 you have to downgrade to 2.2 in order to root your phone yes. That's only because the root exploit used exists in 2.2 and not 2.3. But once rooted, you can flash a 2.3 ROM and you will not lose root. You would only lose root if you RUU back to stock. The ROMs listed in android development have root capabilities/superuser built in. So once your rooted and have recovery setup, go ahead and flash any of those ROMs (like supreme sense, cm7, miui, ect) without worrying about losing root.
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so once your 2.2 rooted, can you take the OTA 2.3 update and still retain root or is the only way to get 2.3 back and stay rooted is via a ROM?
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so once your 2.2 rooted, can you take the OTA 2.3 update and still retain root or is the only way to get 2.3 back and stay rooted is via a ROM?
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If you take the update it will break root. You'll need to flash a Gingerbread ROM. X99 has a ROM that is basically a rooted version of the ota. General rule of thumb, don't accept updates unless you want risk breaking root
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cool thanks thats what i figured, nice to get that confirmed.
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I have an Eris running 2.1 OTA. I want to be able to overclock it, which obviously requires root, but I do not want to install a custom ROM. I want to continue running 2.1 OTA. Is this possible?
Based on what I've read, I figured it might be.
1) I thought I could follow the instructions in "I. Gaining root" at the Walkthrough thread on this site to root the phone. Simply rooting does not modify or wipe the 2.1 OTA ROM, correct? So I could be root but still running 2.1 OTA.
2) Flash the kernel-overclock-update-v3.zip found in the "Overclocking Patch and update.zip" thread on this site, which would modify the kernel so I can O/C.
3) Install and use setCPU.
Any reason this would not work or would be a bad idea? I'm generally computer savvy but have not rooted a phone before.
As mentioned above, I want to be running stock 2.1 OTA (or as close to it as possible, because I want the stability) simply with the ability to overclock.
Thanks!
Now someone here correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the way I understand the rooting process...
When you obtain root, you flash over your 2.1 OTA, and don't have that anymore. What you're flashing is a pre-rooted ROM with an old 2.1. You absolutely want to flash something else once you install the recovery image. If you want a ROM that's as close to stock OTA as possilble while still being able to overclock, I recommend this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=652044 (or, actually, this one is closer to stock: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=685581)
Also, ensure that you can root in the first place... check your HBOOT version.
If you were to only root, you'd no longer be running OTA, since the root is itself a leak.
jcase's Plain Jane is based on the OTA and is probably what you're looking for.
No, you cannot do that. Rooting isn't simply turning on a switch, it's replacing the entire ROM.
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I have an Eris running 2.1 OTA. I want to be able to overclock it, which obviously requires root, but I do not want to install a custom ROM. I want to continue running 2.1 OTA. Is this possible?
Based on what I've read, I figured it might be.
1) I thought I could follow the instructions in "I. Gaining root" at the Walkthrough thread on this site to root the phone. Simply rooting does not modify or wipe the 2.1 OTA ROM, correct? So I could be root but still running 2.1 OTA.
2) Flash the kernel-overclock-update-v3.zip found in the "Overclocking Patch and update.zip" thread on this site, which would modify the kernel so I can O/C.
3) Install and use setCPU.
Any reason this would not work or would be a bad idea? I'm generally computer savvy but have not rooted a phone before.
As mentioned above, I want to be running stock 2.1 OTA (or as close to it as possible, because I want the stability) simply with the ability to overclock.
Thanks!
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Plain Jane ROM posted on this Forum would be ideal then I think
Ok, thanks for the information. I didn't realize that rooting itself replaced the stock ROM.
If you gave me your phone, I could root it and hand it back to you and with the "right" ROM, you'd be none the wiser.
Why are you afraid to use a custom ROM ? Ivan's, for example, is essentially a tweaked version of HTC/VZW's current Eris ROM.
I'm afraid to use a custom ROM because my instinct is that a custom ROM would be less stable than the default 2.1 OTA. This is my wife's phone, so stability is key.
But the ROMs that are essentially the same as the 2.1 OTA would presumably be essentially just as stable as the 2.1 OTA, so maybe I will give it a whirl.
so i just got a replcemnt htc eris and it came w/the 2.1 already on it...so is there a way for me to get a custom rom on it????and if so what do i have to do
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so i just got a replcemnt htc eris and it came w/the 2.1 already on it...so is there a way for me to get a custom rom on it????and if so what do i have to do
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=684049
Can't install custom kernal without root and can't root without stock 1.5. No root for ota yet
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thanks but which one do i select because i already have the 2.1 on my phone and the link was mainly talking about putting it on there if you didnt have it
thanks but which one do i select because i already have the 2.1 on my phone and the link was mainly talking about putting it on there if you didnt have it
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You can't root because your phone has 2.1. Therefore you cannot use custom Rom or kernel. Sorry
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You can't root because your phone has 2.1. Therefore you cannot use custom Rom or kernel. Sorry
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Where have you been???? You can root 2.1 OTA, just not any of the leaks. The instructions are the same for 2.1 as for 1.5. Again, you can root 2.1 OTA just not the leaks.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=681648
and that is just one of many threads talking about rooting the OTA
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Where have you been???? You can root 2.1 OTA, just not any of the leaks. The instructions are the same for 2.1 as for 1.5. Again, you can root 2.1 OTA just not the leaks.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=681648
and that is just one of many threads talking about rooting the OTA
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Yes, the 2.1 OTA update is rootable. The 2.1 OTA update does not change the bootloader which allows for rooting.
However, those that got a refurbished device from Verizon with 2.1 may or may not be able to root. It has been said that some of the refurbished units have come back with the newer non-rootable bootloader.
There is an entire thread about this at the following link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=688898
Hi guys,
I have a question about updating to Froyo once it is available with a rooted phone. Will I have to unroot in order to take advatage of an OTA update or will I be able to upgrade along with the unrooted users?
Does the same thing apply to a phone that is flashed with a custom ROM and Kernal?
I've just rooted my phone and installed wifi tether which was the main reason for me to root.
The appeal extra battery life and the ability to over/underclock is the reason I want to flash a custom rom.
I ask this because although I've succeeded in rooting my Epic I can't seem to boot into the clockworkmod recovery screen and thus not been able to flash a custom rom or kernal. I have yet to try unrooting and starting over from scratch but with Froyo seemingly on the horizon, I don't want to go through all the hassle of trying to get a custom ROM only to have to undo it when Froyo arrives.
Thanks
This has been covered multiple times in this forum.
Devs will likely be coming out with ROMs based on Froyo very soon after the Froyo update.
But if you can't wait till then, you'll have to go back to stock everything (kernel+ROM) to get your phone updated via OTA.
Still not sure about root, but if our phones get de-rooted during the update, someone will also come up with a rooting method quickly.
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Still not sure about root, but if our phones get de-rooted during the update, someone will also come up with a rooting method quickly.
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My guess is yes, you will lose root as it will flash a new kernel that won't have the rooted initramfs. You will most likely need to re-root using a new method once 2.2 is available. I could be wrong though, nobody knows for sure yet.
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Would i lose root after 2.2 froyo ota update on 21st? If so, how do i get back to root? Sorry for newb question.
First u probably won't get the ota cuz u are rooted ......u need to odin back to di18 stock for u to get the update... or wait a lil longer to have one of ur devs. Cook some rom ready for our root phones... personally I won't go back to di18 ... but if our devs told us (which I don't think we need to) to do it.. then ill be happy to do it...
And to get root back from 2.2 do the same method u did fro 2.1
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Is the OP on 2.2? I'm still on DI18, and it has been fine for me. I rooted, but that's it. Would I still get the OTA?
It was my understanding that you could get the OTA update while rooted, as long as it wasn't a custom ROM. Someone chime in?
Way to NOT search people, I mean seriously....
But anyway like the last half a dozen threads asking THIS EXACT SAME QUESTION, you cannot OTA unless you are on a stock rom with the stock recovery, if you don't want to revert then wait less than a day and it will be in flashable .zip form.
You should be able to get the OTA if you're rooted on di18 and still have stock recovery. The update will most likely break your root, though. All you will have to do to get root back is run the one-click.
Yes
yonglee09 said:
Would i lose root after 2.2 froyo ota update on 21st? If so, how do i get back to root? Sorry for newb question.
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It was my understanding that you could get the OTA update while rooted, as long as it wasn't a custom ROM. Someone chime in?
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Correct you will lose root but will get the update. You have to lose any roms also clockwork I think. Not positive so maybe someone else can comment on that.
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Nevermind.
Question: I used one click root, and it deleted the asphalt demo. Using root explorer, I reinstalled the stock app, but it gave me a notice that asphalt was still in the system apps. I know you need to have all the stock apps when updating, so will I have any problems?
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Question: I used one click root, and it deleted the asphalt demo. Using root explorer, I reinstalled the stock app, but it gave me a notice that asphalt was still in the system apps. I know you need to have all the stock apps when updating, so will I have any problems?
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Just odin eb13 when it comes.
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Ya, as other users have said, 2.2 is stock so it should ova update but remove your root (was in thesame situation with my mytouch and 2.2). Of course just superoneclick after you update and you're good to go
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Has anyone been able to downgrade Android 2.3 back to 2.2?
People are trying to downgrade their phones back to 2.2 and use one of the rooting methods, because none of them will work an Android 2.3.
I've heard that some, but very few people, have been able to do it by running an RUU back to stock. There has to be a reason why some have been able to downgrade, but not others. It seems that if the phone has never been rooted, then it cannot be done (downgraded or rooted). That may be because the bootloader is S-ON.
My question is, if the phone was previously rooted, then unrooted, then updated to Android 2.3, if the phone is somehow downgraded using an RUU, is it only because the phone is still S-OFF, or some other reason?
I already know how to root it if the phone is still S-OFF and was updated to 2.3. The question is still, if the phone is successfully downgraded using an RUU back to Android 2.2 stock (with hopes of rerooting), is it because the bootloader is still S-OFF?
These questions are really more to help others than they are for me because too many people are trying unsuccessfully to downgrade their phone in the hopes of rerooting. If there are no good answers, then obviously downgrading will not be the route to take.
(AND YES, MOST OF THEM SHOULD NOT HAVE UNROOTED, but everyone makes mistakes.)
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Has anyone been able to downgrade Android 2.3 back to 2.2?
People are trying to downgrade their phones back to 2.2 and use one of the rooting methods, because none of them will work an Android 2.3.
I've heard that some, but very few people, have been able to do it by running an RUU back to stock. There has to be a reason why some have been able to downgrade, but not others. It seems that if the phone has never been rooted, then it cannot be done (downgraded or rooted). That may be because the bootloader is S-ON.
My question is, if the phone was previously rooted, then unrooted, then updated to Android 2.3, if the phone is somehow downgraded using an RUU, is it only because the phone is still S-OFF, or some other reason?
I already know how to root it if the phone is still S-OFF and was updated to 2.3. The question is still, if the phone is successfully downgraded using an RUU back to Android 2.2 stock (with hopes of rerooting), is it because the bootloader is still S-OFF?
These questions are really more to help others than they are for me because too many people are trying unsuccessfully to downgrade their phone in the hopes of rerooting. If there are no good answers, then obviously downgrading will not be the route to take.
(AND YES, MOST OF THEM SHOULD NOT HAVE UNROOTED, but everyone makes mistakes.)
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Good question but its posted like a million times with no definitive answer. And yes alooooooot of people have made mistakes...lol
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Yes, they are only able to downgrade because their phone is already unlocked with s-off.
Its really a waste of time tbh, all you have to do is flash a recovery and you're done.
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How would I flash the recovery?
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How would I flash the recovery?
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Look on the dev forum for RA recovery or clockwork recovery. Both of them include a way to flash them via bootloader menu on the evo.
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Look on the dev forum for RA recovery or clockwork recovery. Both of them include a way to flash them via bootloader menu on the evo.
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Only if its S off
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From some instructions I received, I was told I had to revert back to 4.0.4 on my RAZR M in order to root my phone. All went relatively smooth root was achieved, but now my problem is its not allowing mwlw to OTA update back to Jellybean. I was thinking of using CSD to flash the stock Jellybean build back onto my phone but I don't want to undue the root! If I just find an stock Razrm JB image, can I flashed JB like that without losing my root? This is actually a friends phone! So I need to get things working right. Thanka for any help!
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From some instructions I received, I was told I had to revert back to 4.0.4 on my RAZR M in order to root my phone. All went relatively smooth root was achieved, but now my problem is its not allowing mwlw to OTA update back to Jellybean. I was thinking of using CSD to flash the stock Jellybean build back onto my phone but I don't want to undue the root! If I just find an stock Razrm JB image, can I flashed JB like that without losing my root? This is actually a friends phone! So I need to get things working right. Thanka for any help!
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You can root just fine on Jellybean.
So I would remove root cleanly, if you can. If you deleted apps, then more than likely the update will fail as it searches for dependencies.
If thats the case, then you will have to SBF back to stock. Which at that point, you can probably just SBF straight to jellybean, then root as normal.
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You can root just fine on Jellybean.
So I would remove root cleanly, if you can. If you deleted apps, then more than likely the update will fail as it searches for dependencies.
If thats the case, then you will have to SBF back to stock. Which at that point, you can probably just SBF straight to jellybean, then root as normal.
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Thanks for the response. Let me ask this last question: Since I'm already rooted on 4.0.4, can I just flash the stock jellybean ROM using
RSD without breaking root?
DocJ8403 said:
Thanks for the response. Let me ask this last question: Since I'm already rooted on 4.0.4, can I just flash the stock jellybean ROM using
RSD without breaking root?
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You could try voodoo ota root keeper from Google play. Its not guaranteed to work but if not, its really easy to regain root using the motofail2go exploit.