Hi guys,
I have a question about updating to Froyo once it is available with a rooted phone. Will I have to unroot in order to take advatage of an OTA update or will I be able to upgrade along with the unrooted users?
Does the same thing apply to a phone that is flashed with a custom ROM and Kernal?
I've just rooted my phone and installed wifi tether which was the main reason for me to root.
The appeal extra battery life and the ability to over/underclock is the reason I want to flash a custom rom.
I ask this because although I've succeeded in rooting my Epic I can't seem to boot into the clockworkmod recovery screen and thus not been able to flash a custom rom or kernal. I have yet to try unrooting and starting over from scratch but with Froyo seemingly on the horizon, I don't want to go through all the hassle of trying to get a custom ROM only to have to undo it when Froyo arrives.
Thanks
This has been covered multiple times in this forum.
Devs will likely be coming out with ROMs based on Froyo very soon after the Froyo update.
But if you can't wait till then, you'll have to go back to stock everything (kernel+ROM) to get your phone updated via OTA.
Still not sure about root, but if our phones get de-rooted during the update, someone will also come up with a rooting method quickly.
tonysohn said:
Still not sure about root, but if our phones get de-rooted during the update, someone will also come up with a rooting method quickly.
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My guess is yes, you will lose root as it will flash a new kernel that won't have the rooted initramfs. You will most likely need to re-root using a new method once 2.2 is available. I could be wrong though, nobody knows for sure yet.
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Hey guys,
I have really been reading and learning alot since rooting my phone and flashing the MoDaCo rom. Im tempted to go back to RUU get the update and try to root again but I think its smarter for me to just wait on a updated MoDaCo ROM with the update in it. But I have a couple questions I hope someone can answer just in general.
1. Would going back to RUU to get the update, re-rooting and re-flashing MoDaCo hurt my app2SD that is already set up? Meaning I would have to re format the SD and apply all my apps back after im done.
2. Is it possible to go back to RUU, get the update, re-root and re-flash the MoDaCo ROM and not have any issues afterwards, and still have the update?
3. Whats the major benefit of updating at all. I mean after root and MoDaCo ROM, im having no issues with my phone whatsoever. But seems like everyone is updating so am I missing something key that my hero needs to have?
Thanks in advance for any answers. Im loving this android stuff. I can see myself learning alot from all of you.
swaze said:
Hey guys,
I have really been reading and learning alot since rooting my phone and flashing the MoDaCo rom. Im tempted to go back to RUU get the update and try to root again but I think its smarter for me to just wait on a updated MoDaCo ROM with the update in it. But I have a couple questions I hope someone can answer just in general.
1. Would going back to RUU to get the update, re-rooting and re-flashing MoDaCo hurt my app2SD that is already set up? Meaning I would have to re format the SD and apply all my apps back after im done.
2. Is it possible to go back to RUU, get the update, re-root and re-flash the MoDaCo ROM and not have any issues afterwards, and still have the update?
3. Whats the major benefit of updating at all. I mean after root and MoDaCo ROM, im having no issues with my phone whatsoever. But seems like everyone is updating so am I missing something key that my hero needs to have?
Thanks in advance for any answers. Im loving this android stuff. I can see myself learning alot from all of you.
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This is basically the same situation I am in. I reflashed MoDaCo not realizing that it resets the software version back to 1.29.651.1, so there's really no point to updating in the first place if you want to run the Current 1.1 MoDaCo ROM, which also breaks the Voicemail app. If I were you, or if I hadn't already gone through the process, I'd just wait for the updated MoDaCo ROM that includes the Sprint Maint Rel update. I think he said he'd probably have it ready by the weekend or Monday (11/23). Right now I'm not sure if I'll keep what I have for a few days until the patched ROM is ready, or restore the nandroid backup I made right after applying the Sprint upgrade and rooting, or go back to stock again and not apply the update and reinstall MoDaCo 1.1.
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This is basically the same situation I am in. I reflashed MoDaCo not realizing that it resets the software version back to 1.29.651.1, so there's really no point to updating in the first place if you want to run the Current 1.1 MoDaCo ROM, which also breaks the Voicemail app. If I were you, or if I hadn't already gone through the process, I'd just wait for the updated MoDaCo ROM that includes the Sprint Maint Rel update. I think he said he'd probably have it ready by the weekend or Monday (11/23). Right now I'm not sure if I'll keep what I have for a few days until the patched ROM is ready, or restore the nandroid backup I made right after applying the Sprint upgrade and rooting, or go back to stock again and not apply the update and reinstall MoDaCo 1.1.
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What do you mean break the voicemail app? I don't think I am having any issues with my voicemail. Can you tell me what that is you are referring to?
BTW, if you do decide to nandroid and root, will you just not flash a new ROM or use the stock ROM instead?? My main reason for using MoDaCo's ROM was for app2SD, i definately don't want to go back to apps on the internal memory now.
I have an Eris running 2.1 OTA. I want to be able to overclock it, which obviously requires root, but I do not want to install a custom ROM. I want to continue running 2.1 OTA. Is this possible?
Based on what I've read, I figured it might be.
1) I thought I could follow the instructions in "I. Gaining root" at the Walkthrough thread on this site to root the phone. Simply rooting does not modify or wipe the 2.1 OTA ROM, correct? So I could be root but still running 2.1 OTA.
2) Flash the kernel-overclock-update-v3.zip found in the "Overclocking Patch and update.zip" thread on this site, which would modify the kernel so I can O/C.
3) Install and use setCPU.
Any reason this would not work or would be a bad idea? I'm generally computer savvy but have not rooted a phone before.
As mentioned above, I want to be running stock 2.1 OTA (or as close to it as possible, because I want the stability) simply with the ability to overclock.
Thanks!
Now someone here correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the way I understand the rooting process...
When you obtain root, you flash over your 2.1 OTA, and don't have that anymore. What you're flashing is a pre-rooted ROM with an old 2.1. You absolutely want to flash something else once you install the recovery image. If you want a ROM that's as close to stock OTA as possilble while still being able to overclock, I recommend this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=652044 (or, actually, this one is closer to stock: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=685581)
Also, ensure that you can root in the first place... check your HBOOT version.
If you were to only root, you'd no longer be running OTA, since the root is itself a leak.
jcase's Plain Jane is based on the OTA and is probably what you're looking for.
No, you cannot do that. Rooting isn't simply turning on a switch, it's replacing the entire ROM.
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I have an Eris running 2.1 OTA. I want to be able to overclock it, which obviously requires root, but I do not want to install a custom ROM. I want to continue running 2.1 OTA. Is this possible?
Based on what I've read, I figured it might be.
1) I thought I could follow the instructions in "I. Gaining root" at the Walkthrough thread on this site to root the phone. Simply rooting does not modify or wipe the 2.1 OTA ROM, correct? So I could be root but still running 2.1 OTA.
2) Flash the kernel-overclock-update-v3.zip found in the "Overclocking Patch and update.zip" thread on this site, which would modify the kernel so I can O/C.
3) Install and use setCPU.
Any reason this would not work or would be a bad idea? I'm generally computer savvy but have not rooted a phone before.
As mentioned above, I want to be running stock 2.1 OTA (or as close to it as possible, because I want the stability) simply with the ability to overclock.
Thanks!
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Plain Jane ROM posted on this Forum would be ideal then I think
Ok, thanks for the information. I didn't realize that rooting itself replaced the stock ROM.
If you gave me your phone, I could root it and hand it back to you and with the "right" ROM, you'd be none the wiser.
Why are you afraid to use a custom ROM ? Ivan's, for example, is essentially a tweaked version of HTC/VZW's current Eris ROM.
I'm afraid to use a custom ROM because my instinct is that a custom ROM would be less stable than the default 2.1 OTA. This is my wife's phone, so stability is key.
But the ROMs that are essentially the same as the 2.1 OTA would presumably be essentially just as stable as the 2.1 OTA, so maybe I will give it a whirl.
so i just got a replcemnt htc eris and it came w/the 2.1 already on it...so is there a way for me to get a custom rom on it????and if so what do i have to do
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so i just got a replcemnt htc eris and it came w/the 2.1 already on it...so is there a way for me to get a custom rom on it????and if so what do i have to do
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=684049
Can't install custom kernal without root and can't root without stock 1.5. No root for ota yet
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thanks but which one do i select because i already have the 2.1 on my phone and the link was mainly talking about putting it on there if you didnt have it
thanks but which one do i select because i already have the 2.1 on my phone and the link was mainly talking about putting it on there if you didnt have it
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You can't root because your phone has 2.1. Therefore you cannot use custom Rom or kernel. Sorry
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You can't root because your phone has 2.1. Therefore you cannot use custom Rom or kernel. Sorry
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Where have you been???? You can root 2.1 OTA, just not any of the leaks. The instructions are the same for 2.1 as for 1.5. Again, you can root 2.1 OTA just not the leaks.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=681648
and that is just one of many threads talking about rooting the OTA
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Where have you been???? You can root 2.1 OTA, just not any of the leaks. The instructions are the same for 2.1 as for 1.5. Again, you can root 2.1 OTA just not the leaks.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=681648
and that is just one of many threads talking about rooting the OTA
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Yes, the 2.1 OTA update is rootable. The 2.1 OTA update does not change the bootloader which allows for rooting.
However, those that got a refurbished device from Verizon with 2.1 may or may not be able to root. It has been said that some of the refurbished units have come back with the newer non-rootable bootloader.
There is an entire thread about this at the following link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=688898
I recently aquired the Vibrant and all I have to say is OMG this is a fnatastic phone. it blows my cliq, cliq xt, and g1 out of the water.
Anywho, the one question I have now that my phone is rooted and has the clockworkmod recovery is when the 2.2 update releases around september-ish, will this effect the phone being able to update like it did for the cliq, or will i be able to flash 2.2 from root and just lose root. i would be ok with it at that point because 2.2 takes care of all the issues that i have with 2.1 update1. the only reason i know this is because i have 2.2 on the g1 and its amazing. any thlughts on the matter?
once rooted on this phone, you have to wait for one of the devs to dump a 2.2 flashable rom to get the update. This is why I am gladly waiting to get the ota before considering rooting. I love the phone as it is.
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once rooted on this phone, you have to wait for one of the devs to dump a 2.2 flashable rom to get the update. This is why I am gladly waiting to get the ota before considering rooting. I love the phone as it is.
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yeah but I heard that if you just root only, you will be able to get the OTA update as you are still using the stock ROM. But if you are using a modified dev ROM, then yeah it will not auto update.
Can anyone confirm this?
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yeah but I heard that if you just root only, you will be able to get the OTA update as you are still using the stock ROM. But if you are using a modified dev ROM, then yeah it will not auto update.
Can anyone confirm this?
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Yes this is the case, if all you do is root the phone, you will still get Tmobile updates. You might lose root, but as was pointed out in a similar thread, Samsung doesn't seem to care about locking things up, so you should be able to root again easily.
ok so its more in line with what the g1 used to do if you didnt go onto a modified rom. with the cliq, even if you root and are on the stock rom, you still cant load the ota update because it fails when you try to load it once downloaded. i dont mind losing root once 2.2 comes out, i just want to make sure i can get it. i was thinking of going back to stock without root, but i'm having some trouble getting the phone in download mode
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Yes this is the case, if all you do is root the phone, you will still get Tmobile updates. You might lose root, but as was pointed out in a similar thread, Samsung doesn't seem to care about locking things up, so you should be able to root again easily.
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Thanks for the input. Has this been the case for any other phone? Where rooting only will still get you OTA updates, or is this a theory?
Thanks~
I just send my SGS in for repairs and got a HTC legend as a loaner...
I read through some of the threads but going to a new phone its hard to find how the process of putting roms are done on it...
Is it like this SGS where i can put a custom rom and when im about to send the phone back i can restore to stock? I'd like to try froyo but i'd also like to be able to go back to stock so they can take it back
Froyo is now available for Legend with an update, no need for root to try out Android 2.2.
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Froyo is now available for Legend with an update, no need for root to try out Android 2.2.
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Firmware version 2.1-update1
Thats 2.1 isn't it? Software update "no updates available"
I just wanted to try some of the custom roms here to make things speedy and comfortable.. but i wanted to make sure i could undo it before sending it back.
Oh okay, I've got the update on my Legend though...
I have been trying out some custom Froyo roms, I then went back to stock 2.1 RUU when the phone needed a repair thru waranty, and then updated to the original 2.2 update. So it is possible to go back and unroot it, yes. But I'm not sure what the chances are that you won't be able to unroot. Look around in this forum, im sure there is alot of discussions about unrooting...
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Oh okay, I've got the update on my Legend though...
I have been trying out some custom Froyo roms, I then went back to stock 2.1 RUU when the phone needed a repair thru waranty, and then updated to the original 2.2 update. So it is possible to go back and unroot it, yes. But I'm not sure what the chances are that you won't be able to unroot. Look around in this forum, im sure there is alot of discussions about unrooting...
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I have a found a guide on unrooting...
I'm just confused on many steps -- I've come from SGS which is pretty easy to do everything on...
I need to downgrade, root, upgrade, mess about and if i want to send back. downgrade again, unroot then upgrade to 2.2?
My question is, all this is possible right? unrooting in the end gives you stock rom + no root...
So what I'm wondering, where do i find the stock rom? (this is a bell phone)
Once i find stock rom everything else should be findable from what i've read..
I just need to know how to hold my stock rom right now so when i upgrade i don't lose it and when i send it back i can restore it...
Will this work through CWR?
Stock ROMs for Legend can be found on the shipped-roms website. The stock one you need for Bell can be found here:
http://shipped-roms.com/shipped/Leg...37.35.09_7.08.35.05_release_130094_signed.exe
Hi All, I just got my Nexus one off ebay and it appears its not rooted as i do not see the padlock icon and i also cannot run the nexus torch.
What im looking to do is revert back to the stock software and than do all the OTA updates myself.
Can someone help me with this ? Im not looking to root though.
Im running the ATT version of the Nexus one.
Thanks all for your help.
To be root or not
if you do not see the padlock, then you are root!!
hi, yes i know and i do not see the pad lock so i have a unrooted phone. Im trying to find out how i can install the stock software this way i can do the OTA updates myself.
Thanks
If there's no padlock and you're sure it's not rooted... why do you think it's not already stock?
Well its running gingerbread and i wanted to go back to froyo and than OTA the updates myself
If its not rooted, root it! What version you on currently?
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Im on the Nexus one ATT version, running the most recent gingerbread OS.
2.3.6???
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If it is, try root using this... http://apachejava.blogspot.com/2011/06/root-nexus-one-gingerbread-234.html
My dad using my nexus one, so i dunno much... So, is your bootloader unlock, if it is, then go ahead with the link above... Then S-OFF using BlackRose...
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Check this!!
Might help you.
http://answers.unity3d.com/questions/56512/downgrading-google-nexus-one-from-android-gingerbr.html
If you don't see the padlock it means the bootloader is still locked. If you don't have the SuperUser app then you are more than likely NOT rooted. Sounds like a stock phone if you ask me. Why do you want to roll back to Froyo then update? Sounds like you are already where you want to be. It sounds like a case of reaching around your ass to scratch your elbow. Heh. If you try to OTA update it and it says you are up to date, I would suggest leaving it alone or just root it! Good luck!
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Well its running gingerbread and i wanted to go back to froyo and than OTA the updates myself
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Why? Is there a problem with what is currently installed? If it's working fine, then I would expect downgrading to a previous version and applying the updates would just get you back to where you are now. I'm not criticizing, just trying to understand what you're looking to achieve
If you mean stock as in "original" that isn't Froyo either. The Nexus One originally came with Eclair (2.1). If you don't have root, I'm not sure if you can downgrade or how safe it would be. I've seen mixed results with downgrading. The only way to do a complete flash would be with an unlocked bootloader or root + custom recovery.
If you don't want to root or unlock the bootloader, why not just do a full wipe and use the version you have on it? You could also root it temporarily to restore to an unrooted Eclair or Froyo, then apply the updates.
Thanks Narbir, I'm going to try this. Does it matter I have AT&T ?
I hope So. I m usng Voda uk. Don't really brother me by that.
Well the phone reboots often for no reason so i thought if i started from the factory installed software and go forward it would help.
How hard is it to root to install enclar and than go forward ? Unless someone has another idea for the reboot issue ?
Install the latest stock ROM in PASSIMG format (complete ROM, all the partitions). No need to go back to Eclair or Froyo.
Prepare for the possibility of it not helping at all, and your phone HW being faulty. If you have ADB set up - you can run "adb bugreport" after the crash, and look for "ARM9 has crashed" line in the log dump that comes. If you'll see them - no amount of ROM switching will help.
Not to sound pedantic, but you seem a little confused (OP). Why don't you start by reading the FAQs regarding rooting and unlocking the bootloader, and understanding the ROM installation processes.
Couple of fundamentals to get you started:
1. The padlock (or absence of) is no indication of whether you are rooted or not. It merely indicates whether your 'bootloader' is unlocked or not, which is a completely separate concept from rooting.
2. Easiest method of seeing whether you are rooted is to see if you have the 'SuperUser' app in your app drawer.
If your objective is to install a stock/default ROM, search for a 'PASSIMG' for the latest available firmware for your device. Search these forums or Google it. The procedure is fairly straightforward and only involves putting the file on your SD card - and will restore your phone to a stock usable state.
If you're interested in custom ROMs, the fastest way to get started is to use SuperOneClick to root (Google, please). Then go to the market and download ROM Manager and just follow the instructions!