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Google provide a compare page where we can compare any android device with the brand new nexus s
what i found out is that our precious X10 can do up to 10 hours of talk time while the brand new Nexus S can only sustain 6 hrs.!!
Also, there is no major change in hardware.
here's the link:
http://www.google.com/phone/compare/?phone=nexus-s&phone=nexus-one&phone=sony-ericsson-xperia-x10
To me, the Nexus S's specification is very mediocre. I would love to rub it in MR's review of the Anzu in the face that even the Nexus S does not require something they are so trying to persuade us with. It's a great piece of hardware though don't get me wrong as I am not bashing on SS, and it just tells us straight forward that this is all that is needed to run 2.3. Unlike someone who bashed on Anzu that it doesn't have Ooh's and Ah's. Well what Ooh's and Ah's does the S has over Anzu or even the X10? may be just NFC and screen(for X10). What does Anzu have over the S? Welp we're about to find out
Yeah, didn't MR say the NS was super advanced? Dual core? These were their reasons for saying the ANZU was doomed?
I'd love to see those asshats eat their words!
Come on unknown13x, what surprises does ANZU have for us?
Sewez said:
what i found out is that our precious X10 can do up to 10 hours of talk time while the brand new Nexus S can only sustain 6 hrs.!!
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Ahem... ah - when was the last time anyone got 450hrs of standby on their x10... the 10hrs talk time is bull$hit, and I think we all know that...
Sometimes I half lucky to get 10hrs standby...
So maybe the Nexus S just has an accurate talk time as opposed to a highly inflated one...
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Yeah, didn't MR say the NS was super advanced? Dual core? These were their reasons for saying the ANZU was doomed?
I'd love to see those asshats eat their words!
Come on unknown13x, what surprises does ANZU have for us?
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keyword "BRAVIA"
Specs aren't everything, fellas. Many other Android handsets trump the Xperia X10 and don't have the same inflated numbers.
The Nexus S is inherently going to be better just for the support alone.
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keyword "BRAVIA"
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Is it display tech related or resolution related?
bongd said:
Specs aren't everything, fellas. Many other Android handsets trump the Xperia X10 and don't have the same inflated numbers.
The Nexus S is inherently going to be better just for the support alone.
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I totally agree with you here. The NS just showed the entire world that hardware isn't everything. Sometimes it gets to the point where hardware is pointless to move further, and its more about functionality/usability. This is what NS is trying to change, and I have no doubt it will work. Luckily SE and some other brands are going the same path. Unlike some blind place where tech has to be the newest and the best of all times. Tell me what would you use it for, compile codes? encode video? music editing? It's a phone for god's sake. I'm happy to see people are seeing the message from Google's intention that specs isn't everything. They're clearing the cloud to the new models that follow the same footsteps. In my opinion, the release of NS actually sheds light for Anzu to shine too. Since SE will be focusing on the usability/functionality, it is up to them to make sure it is of quality that they always have.
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Is it display tech related or resolution related?
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Hm....may be both? All I was told is the tech related. I have no clue about resolution at the moment.
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All I was told is the tech related. I have no clue about resolution at the moment.
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Well, hopefully it is some kind of Sony developed (NOT pen-tile) OLED. But that might be asking too much.....
I don't care about resolution. It's going to be at least 480x854, which is plenty good enough imo. Any more is not really noticeable at normal viewing distances and would just lead to unnecessary cpu/gpu load. (again, just imo)
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Ahem... ah - when was the last time anyone got 450hrs of standby on their x10... the 10hrs talk time is bull$hit, and I think we all know that...
Sometimes I half lucky to get 10hrs standby...
So maybe the Nexus S just has an accurate talk time as opposed to a highly inflated one...
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non of the models can sustain their claimed talking hours unless you plan to fully charge it and disable everything that the processor uses and then make the call
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non of the models can sustain their claimed talking hours unless you plan to fully charge it and disable everything that the processor uses and then make the call
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Yes, I always find those claims to be outrageously laughable. They should always be taken with a grain of salt. I'm just pleased that my battery does hold up well at least.
HDMI port
-Exmor R sensor
-Full multitouch
-Qriocity
-thinner
-multicoloured back covers
-Timescape plugins
Display
-4.2” FWVGA (854x480) Capacitive display
-X.LED multi-touch display
-Capacitive multi-touch
-Scratch resistant mineral glass
-16 Million display color
-Auto rotate
Facts about anzu. Thanx to lollylost.
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HDMI port
-Exmor R sensor
-Full multitouch
-Qriocity
-thinner
-multicoloured back covers
-Timescape plugins
Display
-4.2” FWVGA (854x480) Capacitive display
-X.LED multi-touch display
-Capacitive multi-touch
-Scratch resistant mineral glass
-16 Million display color
-Auto rotate
Facts about anzu. Thanx to lollylost.
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Hmm...not sure about Exmor. Anzu is not camera oriented. It might have the same module as the X10. Just 8MP. There will be something else carrying the Exmor sensor, and it is a full streamed camera oriented device The rest is pretty obvious, so no new info there really...The Xperia lineups will be oriented into different segments. Bravia, Cybershot, etc.
k1sr said:
Ahem... ah - when was the last time anyone got 450hrs of standby on their x10... the 10hrs talk time is bull$hit, and I think we all know that...
Sometimes I half lucky to get 10hrs standby...
So maybe the Nexus S just has an accurate talk time as opposed to a highly inflated one...
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I know the X10 can't sustain 10hrs of talk time, but i don't think the Nexus S will sustain the promised 6hrs (which the X10 can do in my case)
My X10 can do 2 days of standby (without heavy usage)
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Hmm...not sure about Exmor. Anzu is not camera oriented. It might have the same module as the X10. Just 8MP. There will be something else carrying the Exmor sensor, and it is a full streamed camera oriented device The rest is pretty obvious, so no new info there really...The Xperia lineups will be oriented into different segments. Bravia, Cybershot, etc.
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Any info about the timescape plugins? because we should be getting those too for the x10....
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Any info about the timescape plugins? because we should be getting those too for the x10....
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Haven't played with the unit personally so I cannot say. There's alot of difference in terms of apps and plug-ins between Anzu and X10, but I cannot say if X10 will also get it.
Perhaps this will be part of the UXP update? I'm sure I read about extra stuff for timescape and media scape in the update, not that anyone uses them mind tbh lol
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Perhaps this will be part of the UXP update? I'm sure I read about extra stuff for timescape and media scape in the update, not that anyone uses them mind tbh lol
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Yes, the next update is an UXP heavy update. Performance boost plus massive Timescape + Mediascape update. I love the Mediascape Timescape, haven't used it much. I only use it to update my status so it shows "Update by Sony Ericsson X10"
Tbh I'm not overfussed about mediascape, power amp knocks the socks off it even tho no video or photo support for music it is simply the best and iv yet really to find a use for time scape but I won't say no to a performance boost
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Seriously???!!!!!
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/sony-xperia-z2-compact-already-on-the-way--1239773
C;mon Sony.. let me enjoy my phone for a bit longer!!!!
More RAM and better camera and faster processor if it follows the z2.... life time of z1 = 3 to 6 months??? :S
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More RAM and better camera and faster processor if it follows the z2.... life time of z1 = 3 to 6 months??? :S
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almost identical processor... almost identical camera... i dont see the point for upgrading.
DAC Audio is cool indeed, timeshift too... 4k is not a big deal for me.
No matter what you do... you will always be 4-6 months from what manufacturers and the carriers would have you believe is 'obsolescence'. Much like the megapixel race (which is laughable), and 4G -eewhisyouneedthis, most of it is the marketing team and peers making you think you need it. I spent tons of graphics cards for my PC's before I finally realized the chase never ends, and that I should research and settle on something for more than 8 months.
I won't be chasing that rabbit...
profyler said:
almost identical processor... almost identical camera... i dont see the point for upgrading.
DAC Audio is cool indeed, timeshift too... 4k is not a big deal for me.
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I agree, I just wonder about the 3gb ram... that is the most interesting feature for me...
But once again I just hope this news will bring the z1 compact price down and I will get mine
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Sony would be a lot more profitable if they didn't insist on flooding the market with numerous but similar spec variations of essentially the same device. I'm gutted that they've brought the Vaio to an end and would be sad to see the Xperia go down the same track.
I think sony do the big profit in the first 2 month ish... after 2-3 month the phone profit goes down to a not as big one and of course Sony cares only of the big profit. So I can see why thy to what they do... more when u take into account all the other phone makers that are putting out their devices at different times. Good way for Sony to compete against the others.
Just wonder about quality control and development costs...
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Just wonder about quality control and development costs...
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That's what I'm referring to, they would be better off with 3 or 4 models every year, compact, budget, mid range and high end.
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I think sony do the big profit in the first 2 month ish... after 2-3 month the phone profit goes down to a not as big one and of course Sony cares only of the big profit. So I can see why thy to what they do... more when u take into account all the other phone makers that are putting out their devices at different times. Good way for Sony to compete against the others.
Just wonder about quality control and development costs...
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Actually.... No. =)
I can agree, if we are talking about Z2 (which has to compete with the new Samsung S5, HTC New One and etc), but it's different with Z1c. Z1 Compact is one-of-the-kind. It has literally no competitors in it's High-End-Portable niche on the market. So, IMO, it's kinda counter-productive to dish out another Compact in such a short period of time since Z1c release. :\
While I won't buy the Z2 compact (and maybe even skip the Z3 compact), I just hope they keep the size the same as z1 compact. I want a small phone, not a smaller phone (which will grow in size if flagships increase in size). I once said to my friend, it's ironic when the so called "minis" (and compact) is so much larger than my non "mini" phone (was using, xperia ray, I guess that made my ray "micro" ) and about the same size as xperia s/galaxy s2 which is a "normal" sized phone
ps: I know that mini actually means smaller version and not small in manufacturer definition. I just dislike the trend.
Well let's just note that the news of the FCC are not necessarily for the z2 compact but for the Sony z2 2f or Japanese version of the z2 compact... so time wise we should add two to three months more for the z2c starting from the release date of the Japanese version.
How is 4.5" compact? The Z1 Compact is already not compact at all because of the bezel. I said they should make the phone smaller not bigger, but apparently Sony don't understand.
Well they could easily fit a 4.5 inch screen and make the bezels smaller.
I fully expect a Z2 compact come the end of the year, but not in a few months.
hellgiar said:
How is 4.5" compact? The Z1 Compact is already not compact at all because of the bezel. I said they should make the phone smaller not bigger, but apparently Sony don't understand.
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Completely agree. While I think the Z1 Compact is great, if anything I would prefer it to be slightly smaller - maybe a 4.1" or 4.2" (at most) screen with reduced bezel/hard capacitive buttons would be perfect. If Z2 'Compact' has a 4.5" screen then I certainly wouldn't be interested in upgrading.
if you read sony forums everyone is begging for a bigger display/phone. I'd almost think these guys are fake competitor accounts, since it makes no sense. the regular Z2 is great for a larger display. It's not like you need 5.2, 5.1, 5.0, 4.9, ... displays
4.2/no bezels would be cool (also, its probably never going to happen...)
I think the main concern seems to be the bezel. Looking at something like the Moto X its clear the screen could be 4.5 or even 4.7 while maintaining a similar size without those massive bezels.
Personally I'd like to see 4.3 with little bezel or 4.5 with little bezel. Even 4.7 is possible if they minimize bezel ala LG G2. I've actually got a Note 2 so I'm sure the size will be much more managable regardless of bezel or not though! Just sort of feels like wasted space though.
Keep in mind that z1 compact has the largest battery in this size and is waterproof ontop of it. Choosing between small bezel or big battery + waterproof id go with the latter everytime...
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The z1c already is too big, I had a moto RAZR I before that, that was a nice form factor (not that I want it back, but this part of it, they did very well).
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That does put a damper on our relationship.
Best camera, screen, battery life and great performance, all in a compact waterproof dustproof package, can't be BEAT.
I still intend to keep my Z1 Compact for at least a year. So... I guess I'll be getting the Z3 Compact then?
I hope the screen stays at 4.3 inch. I still want a nice ppi.
For Xperia Z2 users who are changing mobile , say bye bye here and share your experience.
first is mine
I was like a brand embassidor for SONY, but but but
my fist device upto last
1.Sony ericsson K508i
2.Sony Ericsson K 700
3. .Sony Ericsson w700
4..Sony Ericsson W705
5. .Sony Ericsson xperia ARC S
6. .Sony Xperia Z2
upto 5th i was really very very happy, but Z2 has disaapointed me in shape and charger point cover quality and in sound performance as well
so now
switched to HTC one M8, and i am really happy with this one at the moment.
share your opinion:laugh:
No doubt that xperia phones have hardware problems. Actually to many problems that can make Sony shut down their whole mobile division (I know it is not the reason but it plays a big role)
Not buying a 64bit phone, bad choice, bad buy.
If I sell this phone, I'll buy a 64bit phone, if u buy a m8... That's a downgrade dude.
My upgrade is due in March, Im in two minds, at the moment, I've had xperia T, xperia Z, and Z2, but I don't know wether to get the HTC M9, or the Z4 :/, so different but so similar
Z4 should have a Snapdragon 810 which id love to have but im going to wait till my Z2 hits 2 years old
14 months from now
Snaodragon 810 = 2 Quadcores @ 2.8Ghz, 64Bit CPU
Envious_Data said:
Z4 should have a Snapdragon 810 which id love to have but im going to wait till my Z2 hits 2 years old
14 months from now
Snaodragon 810 = 2 Quadcores @ 2.8Ghz, 64Bit CPU
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I'm actually with you on this one. I got my Z2 at the end of September last year, so it is about 5 months old. I know it will survive for another 12-18 months easily, my first android phone that I will have had for over a year before switching to another one, all my other ones have been budget ones (Galaxy Y GT-S5363, Xperia Miro ST23i, Xperia M C1905). By the time you or I upgrade I'm sure there will be a better processor out and being used.
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I'm actually with you on this one. I got my Z2 at the end of September last year, so it is about 5 months old. I know it will survive for another 12-18 months easily, my first android phone that I will have had for over a year before switching to another one, all my other ones have been budget ones (Galaxy Y GT-S5363, Xperia Miro ST23i, Xperia M C1905). By the time you or I upgrade I'm sure there will be a better processor out and being used.
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True that but the 810 is now and its quite amazing till something Steps over it
Perhaps the S811 may be the croun victor like it was 801 to the 800 although having a somewhat "better" 805 youngling
Though Im definately staying with Sony
My First Android being a Xperia S and my 2nd android phone being a Xperia Z2
I had a Nokia 3310 and N95 Before my Xperia S
Maybe if i find a Nexus I Like more ill go to that but for now Xperias It is.
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True that but the 810 is now and its quite amazing till something Steps over it
Perhaps the S811 may be the croun victor like it was 801 to the 800 although having a somewhat "better" 805 youngling
Though Im definately staying with Sony
My First Android being a Xperia S and my 2nd android phone being a Xperia Z2
I had a Nokia 3310 and N95 Before my Xperia S
Maybe if i find a Nexus I Like more ill go to that but for now Xperias It is.
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I've seen some of the specs on the 810 and it is a fantastic piece of kit. Probably 18-24 months before a 'better' processor takes over it, possibly earlier though (technology is advancing at an amazing pace, even for a 19 year old ).
Since I had the Xperia Miro I fell in love with Sony phones and will be sticking with them for the considerable future. The only time I think I will swap to another brand is if the Sony mobile division is going/has gone under. Then I will swap to the Nexus range because I don't like the design and UI on any other manufacturers.
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I've seen some of the specs on the 810 and it is a fantastic piece of kit. Probably 18-24 months before a 'better' processor takes over it, possibly earlier though (technology is advancing at an amazing pace, even for a 19 year old ).
Since I had the Xperia Miro I fell in love with Sony phones and will be sticking with them for the considerable future. The only time I think I will swap to another brand is if the Sony mobile division is going/has gone under. Then I will swap to the Nexus range because I don't like the design and UI on any other manufacturers.
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Im sort of standing above tech, i love to learn how new things work.
Especialy seeing whats left to do and whats been done
Look at Project Tango
Envious_Data said:
Im sort of standing above tech, i love to learn how new things work.
Especialy seeing whats left to do and whats been done
Look at Project Tango
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I love learning more about tech, like how it works. I prefer starting with the older stuff first as a lot of newer stuff uses the bases for how it works. There is still a lot what we can get from tech.
The project tango looks really cool, although I can't see the practicality for a fully able eyed person. For a blind or hard of sight person it is a really cool thing as it can be used to track the space around them and give some sort of feedback to them to let them know what objects are around them. I'm sure that at some point we will be using cameras in addition to neurological implants to allow blind/hard of sight people to actually see. The only problems with that would be that they wouldn't be 100% safe from hacking, the implants may have to be replaced often, the cameras would have to be super high quality, and clothing or other objects could obscure the view of the cameras.
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I love learning more about tech, like how it works. I prefer starting with the older stuff first as a lot of newer stuff uses the bases for how it works. There is still a lot what we can get from tech.
The project tango looks really cool, although I can't see the practicality for a fully able eyed person. For a blind or hard of sight person it is a really cool thing as it can be used to track the space around them and give some sort of feedback to them to let them know what objects are around them. I'm sure that at some point we will be using cameras in addition to neurological implants to allow blind/hard of sight people to actually see. The only problems with that would be that they wouldn't be 100% safe from hacking, the implants may have to be replaced often, the cameras would have to be super high quality, and clothing or other objects could obscure the view of the cameras.
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Project Tango is wonderful
It can be used for so many things its just absurd, Games, Helping people see, environment aware robots,
Add holograms to the mix we can turn entire spaces into gaming areas, or even try playing Paintball with Project Tango in the mix
Future phones have alot too look upto, especialy with recent development in holograms and also with project Tango.
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Project Tango is wonderful
It can be used for so many things its just absurd, Games, Helping people see, environment aware robots,
Add holograms to the mix we can turn entire spaces into gaming areas, or even try playing Paintball with Project Tango in the mix
Future phones have alot too look upto, especialy with recent development in holograms and also with project Tango.
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I do think that holograms will catch on, it is a great little piece of tech. One thing I don't think will catch on is these 'multi-layer' hologram screen what sci-fi/futuristic movies keep showing us.
With future phones it all depends on adoption rates, if hardly anybody uses the technology or people actively avoid it then it will be scrapped. I don't think many consumers would see the potential in things like project tango or holograms in standard consumer devices (although it is definitely something I would like to see). One thing Sony definitely needs to adopt is a reversible magnetic charger or fully wireless charging. The former stops people shorting the phone by accident.
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I do think that holograms will catch on, it is a great little piece of tech. One thing I don't think will catch on is these 'multi-layer' hologram screen what sci-fi/futuristic movies keep showing us.
With future phones it all depends on adoption rates, if hardly anybody uses the technology or people actively avoid it then it will be scrapped. I don't think many consumers would see the potential in things like project tango or holograms in standard consumer devices (although it is definitely something I would like to see). One thing Sony definitely needs to adopt is a reversible magnetic charger or fully wireless charging. The former stops people shorting the phone by accident.
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Well lets see
Holograms are useful and usless, they are useful in the respect that it makes a realy cool bed side alarm clock
Its useful that it makes a windshield GPS for your car
Or its useful that it combined with project tango alows you to see an environment without needing to be there
Project tango is useful when it comes to games and paintball like stuff
Project tango actualy makes use of games, the Nintendo Wii was a fail because you dont have to move, project tango alows you to be suprized.
These things are useless and useful to people
Its like TV back ways way when it was invented wasnt seen as useful but it is.
Same goes with facebook. We can use phones to call.
Nope the internet provides.
Envious_Data said:
Well lets see
Holograms are useful and usless, they are useful in the respect that it makes a realy cool bed side alarm clock
Its useful that it makes a windshield GPS for your car
Or its useful that it combined with project tango alows you to see an environment without needing to be there
Project tango is useful when it comes to games and paintball like stuff
Project tango actualy makes use of games, the Nintendo Wii was a fail because you dont have to move, project tango alows you to be suprized.
These things are useless and useful to people
Its like TV back ways way when it was invented wasnt seen as useful but it is.
Same goes with facebook. We can use phones to call.
Nope the internet provides.
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For windscreen holograms, that is a useful part for them. Hologram keyboards would be useful too, a lot of space saving.
And if you couple project tango with holograms, you could have an ideal project for planning hostage rescues, bomb defusals etc.
All technology depends on the adoption rates, and people will tend to adopt it if they see a big name endorsing it. If Samsung or apple were to introduce a new 'innovative' piece of technology, many people would still be reluctant to buy it. But if a big star like Jay-Z, Beyonce, Lady Gaga, etc were to use it and give positive reviews on the technology it would more likely be adopted.
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For windscreen holograms, that is a useful part for them. Hologram keyboards would be useful too, a lot of space saving.
And if you couple project tango with holograms, you could have an ideal project for planning hostage rescues, bomb defusals etc.
All technology depends on the adoption rates, and people will tend to adopt it if they see a big name endorsing it. If Samsung or apple were to introduce a new 'innovative' piece of technology, many people would still be reluctant to buy it. But if a big star like Jay-Z, Beyonce, Lady Gaga, etc were to use it and give positive reviews on the technology it would more likely be adopted.
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In this case its upto google when it comes to phone tech
They and qualcomm dictate what comes to phones typically
Lets say Nexus 6 2016 was to have all these Project Tango camera tech
Im fairly certain if it kicks off well it will stay popular
Though note this - google is intentionaly keeping project tango unadvertized,
I swished to Note 4 from z2, realy love Sony this my first Samsung in my life, i hope z4 come strongly
I just upgraded from an Xperia S to the Z2. I've tested Samsung phones before but I really like Sony's devices (especially the ease with installing custom ROMs).
The only phone i would upgrade to from a z2 is the z3 or note 4. The m8 is a downgrade but glad you are happy.
A LOT of people offered me to exchange their M8 for my Z2. I am just in love with the m8, it was my dream phone, but i refuse the exchange in the last minute. i think it's a downgrade and no one likes a downgrade.
Z2 is my first sony device, second android device. 1 month old but i am loving it. it's not perfect but it does it's job perfectly. it's hard to leave it as i am not complaining about anything in this device. "except the sharp edges (all the Z2 problems in my opinion are in the design, and they are all fixed on Z3)"
and i think the Z2 can handle the next 20 months perfectly without any problem. it's has a beast specs.
I am waiting M9. i am pretty sure it will be my next device, and i hope that M9 will be just awesome like M8. I started saving for buying m9 a while ago.
good luck with m8 it's awesome phone.
Actually I switched to Xperia Z2 from HTC one M8 because of its build quality issues and the regenersis repair center. I never gonna buy HTC phone again. I don't like plastic phones with crap audio so I'm not gonna buy LG, Samsung or Apple phone either. The only option for me is to wait for Z4 or to buy Motorola Nexus.
Since the z5 premium was announced, I've seen a lot of hate on the note 5 owners.
Seems the general consensus that people only but the Samsung flagships, in particular the note phones because they're popular. I've seen vast comments along the lines of, bet note 5 owners regret their purchase now.
They're forgetting the note phones use great amoled screens and have the spen.
As far as I'm aware the note series is the only android phone to nativaly muliscreen also
Anybody care to explain why all the note 5 hate?
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There are 2 possible explanations for this thread:
1- You're looking for trouble
2- You're immature enough to even think about creating such pointless, wasted space on XDA servers.
Please work on your social skills. In case you didn't know, everybody is entitled to their opinion, the way you vacate that opinion shows the degree of sophistication you have. Responding to those that have no sophistication puts you right at their level.
Why this sh!tty thread?
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There are 2 possible explanations for this thread:
1- You're looking for trouble
2- You're immature enough to even think about creating such pointless, wasted space on XDA servers.
Please work on your social skills. In case you didn't know, everybody is entitled to their opinion, the way you vacate that opinion shows the degree of sophistication you have. Responding to those that have no sophistication puts you right at their level.
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Yes I get that they're entitled, I'm just trying to figure out of all the phones why the Samsung phones get the most negative comments on. I've owned Sony Z phones and own an iPhone 6. They're all nice phones, in particular I like the amoled screen, spen, and Samsung exclusive features.
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Oh why the lock?
GreeleyXda said:
No trouble, just voicing my opinion after seeing all the comments on z5 videos and post that say, "bet the note 5 owners regret their purchase"
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This is not the way to voice your opinion. This is just fishing for hostile responses, which you're already getting
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This is not the way to voice your opinion. This is just fishing for hostile responses, which you're already getting
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My bad, I've attempted to re-write it but it's probably to late.
Anyways what's your opinion on why Samsung gets picked on the most?
The z5 has other OEMs to compete with like HTC and Apple (I believe those are the 2 compared most to sony's build quality)
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My bad, I've attempted to re-write it but it's probably to late.
Anyways what's your opinion on why Samsung gets picked on the most?
The z5 has other OEMs to compete with like HTC and Apple (I believe those are the 2 compared most to sony's build quality)
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The bigger you are, the easier it is to pick on you. I am happy with my choices, but out of all OEMs, i think Samsung offers consistently good products even if they each have their flaws. No matter what they do, they cannot make everybody happy, thankfully on the Android ecosystem, there will never be a lack of choice. To each their own
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The bigger you are, the easier it is to pick on you. I am happy with my choices, but out of all OEMs, i think Samsung offers consistently good products even if they each have their flaws. No matter what they do, they cannot make everybody happy, thankfully on the Android ecosystem, there will never be a lack of choice. To each their own
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True guess they are one of the bigger companies. Im super happy with the new build quality of the note 5/s6.
Was shocked about how many people were displeased with the no sd card, coming from an s6 edge. I also own a iPhone 6 so memory card there either. I was pretty happy with just big internal storage. No idea why they cut the note off at 64gb.
what's your opinion on 4k phones?
With the Z phones battery life, I'm not shocked Sony is the first phone company going at it. Plus they've had 4k tvs out for a bit now.
Personally I think why one might not notice the need/difference for 4k, they'll grow into it like they did 1440p phones. I can't imagine people streaming 4k video or storing much of it on there phone tho. Although I've read the z5 can handle up to 200gb sd cards (pretty pricey probably)
To anybody reading would you want 4k on the next note?
I think Samsung should handle the ram fiasco first and then maybe try to incorporate sd cards again since it seems like a lot of people weren't happy with the loss of extendable memory
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As far as I'm aware the note series is the only android phone to nativaly muliscreen also
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You are very misinformed.
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I'd change misinformed to Unaware but sure lol
Which phones? I'd love to check them out to see how it compares to Samsung's multiwindow.
My dream phone can have 4 windows open nativaly like the note pro, since Verizon is anti-root.
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I'd change misinformed to Unaware but sure lol
Which phones? I'd love to check them out to see how it compares to Samsung's multiwindow.
My dream phone can have 4 windows open nativaly like the note pro, since Verizon is anti-root.
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LG has it too, but it's not as good as what Samsung has. Samsung's Multi-Window is better than the competition. There's Multi Window in the Android M Developer Preview on the Nexus 5/6, but it's experimental at the moment... Meaning it's not ready yet. It probably won't be on the official Android Marshmallow release though.
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what's your opinion on 4k phones?
With the Z phones battery life, I'm not shocked Sony is the first phone company going at it. Plus they've had 4k tvs out for a bit now.
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Samsung is the only company that can afford a slow but steady "Apple like" evolution of their phones. Other OEMs have to resort to making phones that have special features that stand out in order to attract client. All OEMs except for Samsung are currently losing money so they have to come up with ways to say "our phone was the first that did X, or had X" Sometimes it works out in their favor, sometimes not. A bit like the ultra-pixel 4MP camera on HTC One. They were marketing that features as if it were unique to their flagship and most importantly, a camera game changer. Turned out, it was good for shooting nice low res pictures in low light, but it was overall one of the worst camera ever at the time.
As for the 4K screen, sure, it's nice, but battery technology isn't here to justify a 4K screen without a considerable drop in battery life and overall performance. Samsung has been working on a super thin flexible high capacity battery that will revolutionize battery life on smartphones, but until then, these features will just be a way to impress others...i'm not even sure you'll see that much of a difference between our screens and a 4K screen.
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Since the z5 premium was announced, I've seen a lot of hate on the note 5 owners.
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Sony's mobile division is losing $1M a day. The pricing on the Z5P makes the Note 5 look like a bargain. Can you imagine the impact a 4K screen will have on battery life; especially when at 8+" away from the screen you won't be able to tell the difference from QHD? I wish Sony well but if I were to bet I'd say their mobile division will be sold within a year. Their entire business (with the exception of PS) is in trouble and they can't carry a $365M annual loss forever. Three new high priced phones aimed at a shrinking Western market niche (high end smartphones) isn't going to get them anywhere. Just like the gorgeous M7 that set a design standard when it was released couldn't help HTC who's on their death bed. If I were to look at another Android brand it would be LG. They, like Samsung, have a deep pocketed conglomerate parent and they actually make money in mobile. It was $1 per phone last quarter but it's better than what everyone else (but Samsung) are experiencing.
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Sony's mobile division is losing $1M a day. The pricing on the Z5P makes the Note 5 look like a bargain. Can you imagine the impact a 4K screen will have on battery life; especially when at 8+" away from the screen you won't be able to tell the difference from QHD? I wish Sony well but if I were to bet I'd say their mobile division will be sold within a year. Their entire business (with the exception of PS) is in trouble and they can't carry a $365M annual loss forever. Three new high priced phones aimed at a shrinking Western market niche (high end smartphones) isn't going to get them anywhere. Just like the gorgeous M7 that set a design standard when it was released couldn't help HTC who's on their death bed. If I were to look at another Android brand it would be LG. They, like Samsung, have a deep pocketed conglomerate parent and they actually make money in mobile. It was $1 per phone last quarter but it's better than what everyone else (but Samsung) are experiencing.
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I think it's £699 Right? So that's probably about the cost of an iPhone 6+ 128gb in usd. For 1/4 of the memory. ouch
Like I said before I'm with you, plus won't the battery usage being higher for video since it's an lcd screen? They're claiming 2 day battery but idk
Yes I was reading with all the mid-tier phones being so good, these higher priced phones are losing sales. If they lose their mobile division how will they offer the free year of playstation plus for buying their latest Xperia Z
I'm so confused on Samsung's financial situation, I thought they were doing bad with the s5/note 4 so they made these radical changes to try and recoup their mobile business
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Samsung is the only company that can afford a slow but steady "Apple like" evolution of their phones. Other OEMs have to resort to making phones that have special features that stand out in order to attract client. All OEMs except for Samsung are currently losing money so they have to come up with ways to say "our phone was the first that did X, or had X" Sometimes it works out in their favor, sometimes not. A bit like the ultra-pixel 4MP camera on HTC One. They were marketing that features as if it were unique to their flagship and most importantly, a camera game changer. Turned out, it was good for shooting nice low res pictures in low light, but it was overall one of the worst camera ever at the time.
As for the 4K screen, sure, it's nice, but battery technology isn't here to justify a 4K screen without a considerable drop in battery life and overall performance. Samsung has been working on a super thin flexible high capacity battery that will revolutionize battery life on smartphones, but until then, these features will just be a way to impress others...i'm not even sure you'll see that much of a difference between our screens and a 4K screen.
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Samsung throws so many things out at once, idk if I would call that slow. Heck they even have tizen phones.
I would agree but Sonys claiming 2 day battery life.
The thing is to see the difference, you need something to showcase it off. I'm not exactly sure what sony is going to do to show off 4k. I've owned the tab s, s6, and now note 5, and deepening my connection 1440p video is already hard to handle lol.
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I'm so confused on Samsung's financial situation, I thought they were doing bad with the s5/note 4 so they made these radical changes to try and recoup their mobile business
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Samsung Mobile has made $5B in profit through July and the parent company has $50B of cash in the bank. The market's changed dramatically and assuming they regain their footing they'll be just fine.
good thread.
I've been considering whether to wait for the Z5 or take the plunge and buy note 5 now.
The price is a factor as Z5 is more expensive but mind you it does look brilliant better then note 5.
4k screen is amazing amazing
I would have bought note 5 in an instance where it not for TW and i do prefer sony UI.
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Samsung Mobile has made $5B in profit through July and the parent company has $50B of cash in the bank. The market's changed dramatically and assuming they regain their footing they'll be just fine.
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Does Samsung mobile include sales of screens and cpu chips to other companies? if so that would be more believable since they did really good with thief chips in addition to Qualcomm having problems with their chip.
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good thread.
I've been considering whether to wait for the Z5 or take the plunge and buy note 5 now.
The price is a factor as Z5 is more expensive but mind you it does look brilliant better then note 5.
4k screen is amazing amazing
I would have bought note 5 in an instance where it not for TW and i do prefer sony UI.
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Definately sounds like you would enjoy the Z5 more. Maybe you could get it on a payment plan, if it seems too expensive.
If you're into rooting, I would check out the z5 forum first. On one of the older Xperia Zs unlocking the boot loader affected the camera software, idk if they ever found away around that since I don't frequent over their too often.
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Does Samsung mobile include sales of screens and cpu chips to other companies?
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Nope. That division is Samsung Semiconductor. The number I shared is purely for mobile devices. They sold $22B in mobile devices last quarter alone.
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Sony's mobile division is losing $1M a day. The pricing on the Z5P makes the Note 5 look like a bargain. Can you imagine the impact a 4K screen will have on battery life; especially when at 8+" away from the screen you won't be able to tell the difference from QHD? I wish Sony well but if I were to bet I'd say their mobile division will be sold within a year. Their entire business (with the exception of PS) is in trouble and they can't carry a $365M annual loss forever. Three new high priced phones aimed at a shrinking Western market niche (high end smartphones) isn't going to get them anywhere. Just like the gorgeous M7 that set a design standard when it was released couldn't help HTC who's on their death bed. If I were to look at another Android brand it would be LG. They, like Samsung, have a deep pocketed conglomerate parent and they actually make money in mobile. It was $1 per phone last quarter but it's better than what everyone else (but Samsung) are experiencing.
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Where have you seen pricing for it? Sony has not released pricing for the device yet.
Leaks for all other phones are all over the place but nothing ever gets leaked for Sony phones (save for maybe 2 days before announcement). Any body remember if Sony made any comments about the future of compact line? I just put my pixel back in the drawer and started using my z3 compact (trying out lineage os 7.1.2). Such an awesome phone, perfect size and battery. Almost pulled the trigger on xc, but the thought of mid range specs (particularly no water proof) kept me from buying it. Wish they released a compact version of XZs, without any compromises, except for thickness which is understandable and acceptable. That would be perfect....
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Leaks for all other phones are all over the place but nothing ever gets leaked for Sony phones (save for maybe 2 days before announcement). Any body remember if Sony made any comments about the future of compact line? I just put my pixel back in the drawer and started using my z3 compact (trying out lineage os 7.1.2). Such an awesome phone, perfect size and battery. Almost pulled the trigger on xc, but the thought of mid range specs (particularly no water proof) kept me from buying it. Wish they released a compact version of XZs, without any compromises, except for thickness which is understandable and acceptable. That would be perfect....
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the x compact is still a very capable phone. i think sony didnt release a x compact successor, because it's without competition. if you want a small android phone, you're gonna get the x compact. and i haven't regretted it.
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the x compact is still a very capable phone. i think sony didnt release a x compact successor, because it's without competition. if you want a small android phone, you're gonna get the x compact. and i haven't regretted it.
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Right, exactly, it's like they know they don't have to push the limit and make the best, coz they don't have any competition. It's a niche market already with a smaller number of buyers to win over, so they are doing the minimum required. (I'm not counting the iPhone se, coz ios folks will buy iphone se and Android folks will buy Xperia compact). But where they excelled was making the very best phone possible, but in a compact smaller screen format. That seems to have changed starting x series (assuming compact line isn't dead altogether).
I remember reading some review that claimed Sony said their compact buyers don't care for performance, they care more for battery and camera in smaller form factor. If that is true, then compact line is dead for me. A mid range cpu like 650 may be capable, but it's not future proof and won't age very well. I wish another company would enter the compact market and infuse some competition.
I tend to agree: I'm afraid sony is going to "non hi-end" devices for their compacts, which I do not prefer.
Nevertheless the X compact is a very good device, and regarding water proof ...
The real downside I see is the lack of interest on latest sony devices, compared to the Z series era (I mean from developers, so less mods and customizations).
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Right, exactly, it's like they know they don't have to push the limit and make the best, coz they don't have any competition. It's a niche market already with a smaller number of buyers to win over, so they are doing the minimum required. (I'm not counting the iPhone se, coz ios folks will buy iphone se and Android folks will buy Xperia compact). But where they excelled was making the very best phone possible, but in a compact smaller screen format. That seems to have changed starting x series (assuming compact line isn't dead altogether).
I remember reading some review that claimed Sony said their compact buyers don't care for performance, they care more for battery and camera in smaller form factor. If that is true, then compact line is dead for me. A mid range cpu like 650 may be capable, but it's not future proof and won't age very well. I wish another company would enter the compact market and infuse some competition.
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I agree with you that the compact line went from high end back to medium specs. But the 650 processor runs well on this phone and the battery life is nice too. In some Youtube videos the X compact beat some flagship phones on side by side speed tests, I forgot which though. The screen resolution may be 720, but I don't see a difference to the last Quad HD display phone I owned (V10). In general the CPUs in phones have hit a peak, like laptop or computer CPUs. It's not like back in the days when you needed the fastest CPU to get the most out of your device. My laptop runs on a Core M, it's 3 years old, and still works great. I don't think our phones will need any higher processing power. The future will rely on software optimization, just look what Apple is doing with minimal specs and great software. And the future will be about picking which manufacturer releases the newest Android OS version the fastest. Besides the Pixel phones, Sony is doing a superb job recently. It's the first manufacturer to release Android 7.1.1, although it's limited on 2 phones at the moment. If you look at the X compact and which updates the phone has been receiving, you will see that Sony treats it as a flagship model, because the updates are very consistent and fast. I'm sure 7.1.1 for the X compact is just around the corner. I have spent much more money on real flagship phones from Samsung, LG and HTC, but they all fail to deliver updates on time.
I agree that sony should have used a more high end cpu on x compact but I must say the performance on this phone is like nothing I have seen before! so the only thing I dont like about it is being 28nm and not lower.
Also about waterproofing I can assure you that this phone is water proof:
-The phone size and weight is exactly the same as the waterproof model which is released in Japan only.
-There is a youtube video testing the phone with cocacola
-I accidentally dropped my phone into water and I wasnt able to take it out for about 15mins and the phone didnt take a bit of damage(But I turned it of after that and let is sleep in rice for a little time because it didnt have warranty anyway)
So I would recommend you to go for it and Im sure the first thing that catches your eye would be the screen quality
I hope in future sony releases another capable compact phone with less screen bezzels and borders...
Compact line is 100% fine, only released 1x per year in the fall.
Only the A4 broke this tradition ( which was a re-release of the Z3 compact in plastic vs glass )
http://www.sonymobile.co.jp/xperia/docomo/so-04g/
Next Xperia compact coming in September.
I have my xc for a month now. I'm surprised it's the most satisfying phone. I never thought a mid range phone was enough for me. It is. This phone flies, even compared fine to an iPhone 6s. You really don't need SD820, 821 unless you're a gamer which I'm not. Sony's thin Android skin means I'm not missing any native Android functions. I now only get compact phones, width less than 70mm. I'll definitely buy the next Sony compact phone.
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Personally I have no need to upgrade a phone every year, or 4-6 months like some other brands. This is getting ridonculous - what ever happened to making a device last more than 3 years (even by the community, if not by the manufacturer)? Look at the HTC HD2 as a good example of device obsolescence.
That's a phone that was released in November 2009, initially using Windows Phone. 7 years, still has XDA support to the day, very efficient use of developer resources.
Devices have been barely incremental upgrades over the past 3 years.
Gadget Stockholm syndrome should be a term added to the vernacular, it's really a sad state (non-removable batteries are not an excuse either).
The spirit of XDA is keeping a device ALIVE.
For those interested, X compact was first leaked around end of august (around 23-27 august). Compact series always released in 2nd half of the year with the exception of Z1 compact which is released feb 2014, but have the japanese version released earlier at the end of 2013
Compacts are released once per year every fall with the exception of the A4, which was basically a Z3 compact with a plastic back, which was released alongside the Z4 two years ago.
X compact is amazing, anything beyond this build would have been unnecessary Overkill, especially when you take into account the Japan Home Market and the intended consumer it's built for originally. Xperia phones are not built for worldwide consumers at all, they are very much crafted for the Japanese consumer and then just happen to be released in other parts of the world after the fact.
Here is the latest news:
http://www.gsmarena.com/specs_for_sony_xperia_xz1_xz1_compact_and_x1_leak-news-25138.php
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Here is the latest news:
http://www.gsmarena.com/specs_for_sony_xperia_xz1_xz1_compact_and_x1_leak-news-25138.php
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Moving on, the XZ1 Compact will also be powered by a Snapdragon 835 SoC, and will sport a 4.6-inch HD display. RAM will be 4GB, while a 2,800mAh battery will be tasked with keeping the lights on.
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Unless other phone models by Sony have done this, going to say this rumour is salty. Otherwise this doesn't make sense.
Mine even last for 5 days with lower brightness. No alarm clocks, No vibration, No sound, No Wifi, no bluetooth. No background apps running such as location services are off. 3G/4G data off. Pure call and text usage.
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Commenting on a comment from this article - but I never understood why people buy expensive flagship devices for features then feel the need to turn it all off, making it as useful as an old T9 phone (when it can be done for much less coin). It makes no sense.
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Unless other phone models by Sony have done this, going to say this rumour is salty. Otherwise this doesn't make sense.
Commenting on a comment from this article - but I never understood why people buy expensive flagship devices for features then feel the need to turn it all off, making it as useful as an old T9 phone (when it can be done for much less coin). It makes no sense.
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Z1 compact does have same SoC and RAM as Z1, so having XZ1c with same SoC and RAM as proper XZ1 is not out of the question. However sony just increased the ram from 2gb to 3gb from z5c to xc, while it stagnated between z1c to z5c. Will they increase it again so soon? Even the proper flagship stagnated the RAM (3GB) between Z2 to XZ
But yeah that one looks more of a hope. A hope of what would be a no compromise compact phone: return of highend end SoC, same RAM, maybe even throw the certified water proof back as well.
PS: tbf I usually turn my old phone into glorified media player with airplane mode, but only after i have newer phone. People need to realise that there is middle ground for battery vs feature. But People sometime just go extreme on saving battery.
i was hoping for next model with <=14nm cpu (660?), but im not so sure if there will be anything at all after reading this:
http://www.xperiablog.net/2017/05/2...expect-a-successor-to-xperia-x-and-x-compact/
650 is still capable processor and i might just purchase kugo if there is indeed none upcoming, but i hope to be proven wrong about that...