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Hiya - I am finally ok to upgrade with T-Mob! I been wanting the HD2 for a while, but now they are releasing the Desire (early April according to the latest info from T-Mob). Please tell me guys, should I wait for the Desire?
- Part of me loves WM part of me hates. Like when you want to make a call - it wont, or finish a call - theres always a few second delay or it doesnt want to stop!
I tried the HD2 in the T-Mob store, it looks great, love the keyboard etc... but it froze couple times. Is this really normal?
- I like the idea of Android.. but wonder if it still has teething probs...
All of you who had the HD2 plesae give your honest opinon... is it worth to take the plunge for the next 18 months or so?
cheers!!!
Go for the Desire... I have the HD2 and i don't regret buying it really... A very nice phone with great hardware etc... The problem is the software.. HTC, and its Sense, has done a very good job making the OS look pretty... And it is, no doubt about that.. The problem is this: Stability.... Every once in a while the phone crashes, becomes slow etc. and requires me to reset it, even pull the battery when its total chaos ... It's not THAT bad, but it pisses me off frankly
The good thing about WM is the ability to customize it.. The funny thing is that it's pretty much a requirement to do so, to make the phone's software act decent...
The desire has a smaller screen, but also a more comfortable form factor.. But, as i said, it all comes down to software and longsighted view... Android is a platform of the future, and even right now it has taken big steps towards mobile OS domination.. It's fast, stabile and good looking.. What more can you ask for?
but than again.. android also crashes... (I know cause my cousin told me..)
I've got the HD2.. and I'm very pleased with it.. and yes it anoys me when it crashes.. but this only happens with custom roms and not with the stock rom.
My opinon is that your choice shouldn't just be software related but it has to be the whole thing..
And the phone is good enough to survive the comming 2 years...
(especialy if we get an update to wm7 but its not confirmed yet. we'll hear that next month.)
To me me the HD2 is the best phone ever and curently there is no phone that is able to replace it!!!
yesterday I was holding my uncles touch pro 2 and was so slow to me..
I own a HD2 and love it, very very few crashes and the latest ROM from HTC fixes most problems people had at the beginning. I've got a friend who owns a Hero (Android + Sense) and complains all the time because of crashes and bad network signal and so on.
The Nexus One received a lot of bad press because of poor 3G signals but hopefully HTC have patched that so it shouldn't be an issue on the Desire.
Also, if WM7 is as closed as some make it out to be then I personally will be getting an Android next purchase. I had a G1 with some of the first iterations of Andriod and franky they were crap, but it has had some massive improvments since then and is looking very slick and has a great future ahead. I have not used any of the 2.0 versions but they have slowly been tempting me away from my HD2 and WM, the only thing holding me back is a spare pile of cash.
It all comes down to personal opinion and how much you want to do with it and if you want to tweak it. If you are more of a fiddly type and love messing with settings and stuff then get the HD2, if you just want to use it out of the box without doing anything to it then go with the Desire.
For me HD2 is my first WM phone and honestly I have no idea why are people slagging it so much. I have absolutelly no problems making phone calls, texting or doing anything else with my phone. It's been 2 months since I got and it crashed once and that was because of me installing some dodgy app. I think people moaning all the time just dont know how to use it properly. Its the same with Windows XP, Vista etc. Some of my pals restore their systems every few weeks while I've had my last XP instalation running for year and a half and it was still all right just a bit slow to boot up.
In conclusion - if you know what you doing there is nothing wrong with WM. If you want more idiotproof os go for android or iphone.
If the T-Mobile ROM is stable, then I would say get the HD2 with the bigger screen. I have the T9193 version and when it works, it is great. I have to do a lot more tweaking on it to get it to work the way I want it. The data connection constantly drops or is off even when I have full bars with the H logo. Youtube app doesn't work on mine, I have read there is a fix where I have to edit the registry to remove the cingular settings.
I want to try Android myself, I will ge the X10 when AT&T releases it.
I;ve own the HD2 for a month now with dutty's HG v0.9 ROM / 2.08 radio. and i dont know what crashes you guys are talking about. mines is completely stable.
buy the desire android gets ubdates more than windows mobile
HD2 is the best phone I have ever used. I have had it 3 weeks, not a single crash. I am still on the 1.48 ROM, had the sms sending issue, applied the htc patch, all working. everything works on my phone. Apart from sms everything worked out the box. I have applied all the tweak and improvements from Xda, made it that much better. Go with the HD2, you won't be sorry.
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Yes, because it is a much younger platform that needs those updates. WM 6.5 is already quite stable and doesn't need all those updates.
Unless you are talking about GMaps, GGoggles etc. Because all those great free services that Google are offering are very temping.
I too own Hd2 and I dont really know wheter I totaly love it, or I hate it.
It is totaly fast compared to older devices. Winmo is great cuz it can be customizable. Winmo is stable base for app. I dont use HTC slowdown programs and It's quite satysfing.
On the other hand, winmo is quite slow and ugly. You have to customize, if you want decent device. Android is really looking great. Winmo 7 (windows phone 7 series) is total crap, full of LOOOOONG pointless animations, and no functionality (and ugly too). So there is no future. And android's future is quite bright, look at all these new and nice games for it.
Thats how it is. I love my HD2, but I'm really curious about android. So both ways are great choose if you ask me =)
Thanks
Thanks for your opinions/experience guys! Its going to be a tricky decision.. I normally go for the 18 month contract so hope I do the right thing. Never used android before, but it looks great, but then Im waiting now T-Mob to make me an offer I cant refuse...
In any case, you will have to wait until the end of March. By then, it will likely be clear whether the HD2 gets an upgrade to WP7 or not.
If the HD2 doesn't get an upgrade to WP7, then I'd say get the Desire. Windows Mobile 6.5 is dead (not yet, but soon). The Desire will at least get updates to future Android versions.
Right now, there are things that Windows Mobile does better, and there are things that Android does better. The quality of the applications on Android is certainly better than what you can find for Windows Mobile (there are about 30000 applications for both, but almost noone develops anymore for Windows Mobile 6.5).
Android has perfect integration with Google's services. Windows Mobile has not-so-perfect integration with Microsoft's services (e.g. you can't sync the calendar with Windows Live). Only Windows Mobile has good Exchange support, if you're an Exchange user.
Stability? That depends. I would not claim that one of them is more stable than the other. But Android works more smoothly (with transitions etc.).
My Nexus One has never crashed, and I have had it since before the launch.
Hi Guys I am after some answers:-
I was interested in the HTC Desire HD and did not realise that the HD2 could dual boot so run WM6.5 and Android and from what I have read Android runs off the SD card so I have a few questions:-
1) How does Android run pretty much flawless....slow...buggy and only 720p recording doesn't work everything else does?
2) Anyone have a Desire, Desire HD and HD2 for comparison ?
3) What ROM is most like the desire HD I like the interface on that.
4) Can you sync outlook calender with HD2 Android ?
I am no stranger to flashing I have always had windows phones and flashed custom cooked roms and spl's so from what I have read up I will be ok to set this up myself.
thanks in advance.
It's not very stable yet but you can live with it if you don't mind a few battery pulls a day.
Thanks for the response so you would say that if I want a stable/smooth Android then go for the Desire HD or Galaxy S ?
I am on contract with T-Mobile at the moment and the Desire HD is out of stock and they can't tell me when it will come back into stock they have stock of the Galaxy which I here is due a Froyo 2.2 upgrade soon so the HD2 would have been the best of both worlds for me having WM and Android.
If you want pretty stable android, get native Android phones. If you want to have fun and have the choose to dual boot into Android,wm7, and megoo, get the Hd2. As far I'm aware, Android runs pretty damn nice on this babe. No major issues what so ever..
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If you mainly want android and want it stable, go with the android phone. I'd wait for the desire HD if I were you. A 4.3 inch screen is great to have. But if you think you actually want winmo and will actually use it, then you might want to look at the hd2. Android runs decently on the hd2 ... its good for a port, but it will probably never be as stable as a native android phone. It takes a lot of work, research, and trial & error to tweak the hd2 to get android running well, but most people can get it running pretty well with some work.
If I were you, I would wait for the desire HD... it has the most ram, a big screen like the hd2, but with newer hardware and better multitouch than the hd2.
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It's not very stable yet but you can live with it if you don't mind a few battery pulls a day.
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Not very stable? A few battery pulls a day? Complete bull**** if you have a somewhat recent build & kernel. There are some minor issues left, but Android on HD2 is certainly usable on a daily basis. If however you have the cash (and are willing to pay) then of course the HD will provide a (slightly) better Android experience, since it's native.
Thanks Atoore, well I really want it for the app store, games etc so I take it that works fine ? and to have best of both worlds really windows and android.
Can you get Wm7 on the HD2 already ? thats anther bonus !
I just got text saying my Desire HD will be with me in a few days but my plan was to sell it BNIB on ebay then pick up a HD for probably half the price for a very similar phone !
Anyone got any views on this ? who has gone Desire to Hd2 or HD2 to Desire ?
Thanks again guys.
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Not very stable? A few battery pulls a day? Complete bull**** if you have a somewhat recent build & kernel. There are some minor issues left, but Android on HD2 is certainly usable on a daily basis. If however you have the cash (and are willing to pay) then of course the HD will provide a (slightly) better Android experience, since it's native.
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Thanks Stephen what build are you running or would recomend ?
I saw a guide someone wrote back in july for best wm6.5.3 and android but no doubt there has been great progress since then ?
I am running Mdeejay_FroYo_Sense_v._2.3_Clean for a while now (5 days) and have no issues whatsoever. (battery life remains bad though)
I have been using Android on the HD2 for about 3 weeks now. I had some issue in the first couple of days until I found a good ROM that just works. but after that, I can't really say I have anything to complain about!
The device used to hang a little in the first few days, but the cause was mainly some of the apps I used.
I did not really use WM since I got Android running on my HD2. it's certainly much nicer experience!
I have been using this ROM for quiet some time now with minimal issues
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=780525
If you have custom ROM on your HD2, then all you need is make sure that this ROM supports Android (most of them do), then download the files to your device and run Android... that's it.
As for outlook calendar, AFAIK, you can sync it with Google calendar, then this will be synced to your device (you need Google account to set up your HD2)
I would say, go for it and give it a try, it's very different from WM
My honest opinion is its more the fun in it, initially I had battery pulls and screens of death but know that I have my radio right and rom right, and honestly the only reason I've shut it down was due to dead battery or replacing the kernel, from what I've heard the battery life in the desire be isn't great, neither is android on the hd2, but its drastically cheaper and its a learning experience.... do it
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I am in the same boat as OP.
From what I have read, ROMs like Froyostone are totally solid.
People are claiming that it runs totally fine, with almost no issues at all.
I'm thinking of buying an HD2 just to run Android as my daily phone.
Would you not recommend this? I know the older roms were buggy, but from what i read it runs as good as a Desire (original).
Are people bullsh*tting? or is it really that good now?
I recently bought a HD2 just to run android.
Ive been using android on it for a few days and I gotta say its pretty good. Its not perfect, you do get some freeze ups, though they only last for a few seconds. Ive had some data drops, since then Ive installed the fix and it seems to be working fine now.
I know Id rather have the HD2 than the desire, the big screen is awesome.
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As already mentioned: That's just completly bull****.
I'm running and upgrading my AndroidHD2 every few weeks since this summer and the first FroyoStone releases and pretty much all builds have become totally perfect, especially the desire builds.
I was running MDJ FroYo Sense Revolution v.1.6 until 1.7 was released this week and got freaking 3 days and 21 hours of battery life, that's almost a 400%+ compared to the days I was running WinMo 6.5.
If you're having fun to do stuff with your phone, tweaking it, installing new things and so on go for HD2, since its at 400$ atm I think.
If you just want a working phone and don't want to care about such stuff get the Desire HD oder whatever you like.
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Thanks Stephen what build are you running or would recomend ?
I saw a guide someone wrote back in july for best wm6.5.3 and android but no doubt there has been great progress since then ?
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There is no best combo, people get all kinds of different results even with the same setup. It's probably due to different SD cards, not too sure on that though. It's going to take you a few days to figure out what's good for you, but once you have your WinMo build and Radio good, probably every Android build will run just fine, leaving stuff up to your own taste. Coming from an HTC Magic, I really liked Cyanogenmod so I'm running all kinds of CM-based roms (currently JDMS 1.5, it's the most recent one). If you like Sense, MDJ's builds are probably your best shot.
But again, there's no guide on what is best. If you feel like experimenting a bit, you're gonna have a good time, but if you want a 'no hassle' phone go for the Desire (HD). I bought my HD2 especially for Android btw, found it for about €250 on ebay (unlocked), while a desire would be at least 400 for inferior hardware.
So its totally sweet then.
Wicked.
It's a great deal, especially as the desire has battery life issues, I don't see the advantage ?
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There's a reason HD2 prices on ebay have started increasing recently (at least in the UK) and it's because news is spreading about what can be done on it and what is in the pipeline. I only use Android on my HD2 and have done for two months now, Only reason I know what WinMo Rom I've got on my phone is cos it's listed in my sig lol.
Recent builds have gotten so stable I can't remember the last time I had an app crash on me, the market is flawless, I get very few data drops (and they don't last long either), camera is as good as under WinMo (5MP in other words) and very few other niggles. The main thing some peoples complain about is battery life, but that's only because they don't calibrate the battery properly (have your battery at 100% when you install a build and it will be fine tho).
I wanted a new Android phone but couldn't really afford a Vibrant, etc.
I decided to get the HD2, and I do not regret it. I use one of Darkstone's rom, and I've never had major issues with it.
I had some battery life issues, so I changed toHastarin's 8.2 kernel with Overclocking and Undervolting, and that solved my battery problem. I could get 2 days of light use if I wanted to, but I always use it a lot. With normal use I usually have 30-40% battery at the end of the day. With heavy use, I sometimes have to plug it in after about 12 hours of use, but that's rare.
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It's not very stable yet but you can live with it if you don't mind a few battery pulls a day.
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i have to agree with the other posters, that is bull. i use mccm build and i never had the need to pull the battery. if hd2 is far cheaper than desire hd and you prefer to save some money, i'd strongly consider hd2.
Im complety newbie in the android stuff....
first i buy HD2 only from WinMo...
but after i found so many fantastic build in XDA, im using android as daily for about a month now...
sure, it takes little bit working n searching.....
but for me, thats the beauty of it....
For now, i already found a couple build that i thought perfect enough, no lag or whatsoever....
but i still keep trying the other builds, just to see the difference...
sorry for my bad english........
I'm slowly but surely falling for the siren song of Android on my HD2. However, I'm kind of spoiled by the NRGZ28 ROM's with all that CHT 2.0 and sencity goodness. I've tried out some of the SD-card Android ROM's (courtesy NRG's easy as pie launcher) but I find myself missing some of the functionality I've become so used to on WM6.5. The home screen. The weather apps. Other stuff. Taken each by themselves it doesn't seem like much, but taken all together and -- incredibly -- I start missing WM6.5.
Can someone advise me (and others) who really enjoy the super nice NRG ROM's with all their slick UI's what's the best Android ROM to start playing with? WM6.5 looks very nice with Sense, but the same Sense on Android looks pretty plain. The Android marketplace shows the WM marketplace for the joke it is, but I just can't get over missing some of the cool features in Sense.
Any advice or suggestions are completely welcome.
Thank you!
yeaandrandroid ruined my touchscreen. There are many builds ,most are rushed. none polished. be warned
I'd flash a Desire HD build. They are the probably the best thing android can offer IMO. Look for Mdeejays Froyo HD 4.6 it's what I use and it has been alright for me.
NRG energy roms are beast and probably is the only bright light of WM on our device.. still dont know why people are so quick to throw WM down when i feel like I'm running two different phones when im on WM (WM being the superior device)
Android just doesnt feel as swift as WM does with an energy rom.
Must give you a heads up.. MMS on android is a pain in the butt and there are several upon several threads with so many apn's.. i just switch to WM to handle that because its as easy as breathing.
i dont know whats missing
I have no idea what is missing in Android sense that winmo has. Android has the weather, clock, album, music, mail, internet is fast but not as fast as opera but atleast it supports full flash. Well I was never a hardcore fan of winmo so maybe my opinion is biased and I might be forgetting something as I haven't used winmo in 4 months or so.
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I'm slowly but surely falling for the siren song of Android on my HD2. However, I'm kind of spoiled by the NRGZ28 ROM's with all that CHT 2.0 and sencity goodness. I've tried out some of the SD-card Android ROM's (courtesy NRG's easy as pie launcher) but I find myself missing some of the functionality I've become so used to on WM6.5. The home screen. The weather apps. Other stuff. Taken each by themselves it doesn't seem like much, but taken all together and -- incredibly -- I start missing WM6.5.
Can someone advise me (and others) who really enjoy the super nice NRG ROM's with all their slick UI's what's the best Android ROM to start playing with? WM6.5 looks very nice with Sense, but the same Sense on Android looks pretty plain. The Android marketplace shows the WM marketplace for the joke it is, but I just can't get over missing some of the cool features in Sense.
Any advice or suggestions are completely welcome.
Thank you!
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If you still like winmo, then why not keep it? You can have winmo and android on your phone. I'm playing around with nand android right now, but I plan on going back to winmo and running android off sd... the way I see it, nand doesn't improve android enough to want to get rid of the ability to run multiple os's on it. That's what makes the HD2 special... If I wanted a phone that just ran android off nand and that's it, I would've gotten a native android phone. But to each his own... we have lot's of choices with the HD2.
Just caught your post as I was pondering a move to Android. I have also been running NRG's CHT for a while and been very happy.
Decided to go ahead anyway, flashed the Desire ROM, and it's interesting. Some things are familiar, other things are not. Android seems to be working a bit differently than WM, in that there isn't a 'close' button, and I don't like having to puch the key to get back to my home screen every time, but there's probably an app for that.
On the whole, I can see how 'Droid is a boon for those new to more sophisticated smart phones, but for those of us who have been running WM for a while, there don't seem to be any surprises as we've already been spoiled by having this sort of functionality.
The real reason I'm strongly considering moving to Android is that Microsoft has pretty much left us at a dead end. I had a considerable investment in software for WM 6.x but knowing in advance that WM7 was going to leave me out in the cold, my last software purchases have been from developers who have apps in both platforms, such as CoPilot and PocketInformant.
Anyway, all I can suggest is to use a good backup program like Sprite or SPB backup, archive your Energy ROM and give Android a shot. The worst that can happen is you flash back. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
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If you still like winmo, then why not keep it? You can have winmo and android on your phone. I'm playing around with nand android right now, but I plan on going back to winmo and running android off sd... the way I see it, nand doesn't improve android enough to want to get rid of the ability to run multiple os's on it. That's what makes the HD2 special... If I wanted a phone that just ran android off nand and that's it, I would've gotten a native android phone. But to each his own... we have lot's of choices with the HD2.
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The main reason I'm looking to move to Android is the availability of apps. The WM Marketplace was a total joke before WP7 came out and killed WM6.5. Now nobody in their right mind is going to spend any time developing anything cool for WM6.5. All the new apps are either iPhone or Android.
I figure in a year, maybe less, there'll be no worthwhile apps for WM6.5 at all (not that there are many now). I'd rather eat dirt than have an iPhone, so the sooner I get on the Android bandwagon the more familiar I'll be with it when it fully hits its stride.
Hi Prisoner881, I just wanted to say that I felt exactly like you mate. I'd trawl xda every day or 2 to see how the Andriod NAND build was coming along (never wanted to do the SD Card Android - too much mither for me). I was getting really miffed with the Marketplace - very few new apps and expensive too.
So 3 days ago I decided to take the plunge. My phone is with Vodafone and I had the 1.66 ROM on it.
So I followed mskips instructions to install Android (using Cortulla's Desire build) and it took about 30 minutes in total to do everything without a glitch. I got to say man, I'm blown away with it. Once you get used to the differences, I haven't even thought about Winmo. There are so many quality free apps, it's just stunning.
One thing to bear in mind is, if you have an EU HD2, you don't have much memory left to install stuff (about 120MB). You can get around this by Rooting the Andriod phone (really easy) then installing Move2SD (free from the Market). Then most apps you download will go directly to the SD card and if they don't it is easy to move them.
I've installed roughly 50 apps so far, still got over 30mb free on my phone.
There is also another chef creating a NAND build based on Cortulla's which is trimmed down (removing some of the crap that I'll never use). This should give a lot more space when it's fully ready
I'd go for it dude as I can't put the damned phone down now (even my iPhone obsessed missus is jealously looking on )
well a year has passed on this thread and having been a long time NRG WM6.5 Rom user with CHT2 customisation and all the right apps to make the device perfect, i have just picked up a couple of Sensation XE handsets to replace our HD2's.
Whilst the Android Marketplace has a huge amount of apps, some apps just arent available for WM6.5 and offer some degree of incentive to make the switch.
I have toyed around with SD Android builds but none were compelling enough to be more than eye candy and interesting alternative OS for my HD2s.
The primary functions i had running on my HD2 were shared calendars with Outlook allowing my wife and i to see family schedules.(using Nuevasync which is an excellent service) and push email via the Carriers branded Sevenmail app.
Since receiving my Sensation XE the UI is slick and im working towards finding practical solutions to replacing my WM6.5 apps.
However the biggest initial hurdle is the lack of Outlook contacts sync. I am trying the HTC Sync application but its too early to tell whether this will be suffient or not.
How have other NRG rom users managed their migration to the Android platform?
In my humble opinion, sense is pointless on Android. In WM we *needed* lots of overlays and tweaks just to make the OS usuable (have you ever turned sense off in WM? Its terrible!), but in Android we don't need all this. We can install an alternative launcher if we want, or keep it stock with it still looking good.
As for moving to Android, that was simply 'keeping with the times' and 'because I could'
Anyway, I wouldn't recommend installing a sense ROM because Android doesn't need it, its a resource hog, its not as pretty as the WM version, and if you're using an EU handset it takes up too much space. Of course you may fall in love with it, this is just my experience.
I ended up trying CyanogenMod after bidding farewell to sense, and loved all the extra functionality. However I found it just wasn't 'pretty' enough.
So along came MIUI, who swiftly gave me all the answers. It's got nice eye-candy (with built in theme manager and HUNDREDS of themes to choose from, some even sense like), fast, customisable, weekly updates, and has some cool features (set the music app to turn off after a few hours so it can lull you to sleep, built-in data managing on a per-app, per-connection and global basis, lock editing the phone/viewing call logs to show people the phone, auto-arrange items on home screen, literally too much to mention)
To summarise - it's all about your preference, but don't think sense is the only way to go.
I recently also did the swap from the Energy WM ROM to the Energy Android NAND ROM and for now I must say that I love the Android.
The connectivity to Windows PC & sync was almost perfect before with WM ROM but there have also been many problems & issues.
If you can live with the camcorder resolution issue on the Android ROM then the only thing you have to decide is with which bootloader to go.
I first went with the MAGLDR but then realized the missing battery loading function when phone is off. So I went with cLK (which has the data dropping thing, which they will hopefully be able to change away from PPP connection).
But anyhow, I should have done the switch to the NRG Android ROM much earlier as this system is so much faster, stable and the community with apps and infos is just blowing.
Many thanks goes to the chief NRG for his time & work.
Hi,
I was just curious about which OS is used the most, and which OS is used the least. Please submit your vote, so we can get an as accurate as possible picture. By Daily driver I mean which OS you're using right now to text, call and just use for your daily life.
A short list of the options and their definitions:
Stock Windows Mobile 6.5.x - You're using the stock rom that came with the device, or an official update.
Custom Windows Mobile 6.5.x - You've flashed a custom rom like Energy rom. Chances are you're changing the rom on a regular basis.
Android SD/RAM - You're running Android old school from your SD card, or you're using a RAM build.
Android NAND - You're using the latest and greatest NAND (Internal memory) build(s) out there!
Windows Phone 7 - You're loyal to Microsoft and decided to flash Redmond's latest and greatest.
Ubuntu - You decided a mobile OS just wasn't good enough, and you gave your HD2 a full desktop/netbook experience! Unlikely you're using this on a daily basis though
MeeGo - You're using MeeGo. I'm not sure if it's possible, as it hasn't been released yet, but it's worth a shot.
- If you're dualbooting, just choose the main one.
I'm curious what the results might be. I'm currently using Windows Phone 7 for texting, calling, some gaming and just for the general experience. I've also partitioned half of my SD card for Darkstone SuperRAM, just for Angry Birds and Scooter Hero. I think most people are using a Android NAND build by now though.
Android SD/RAM - Utterly smooth, I haven't changed builds for five weeks because I have no problems with this. First time my phone has been flawless in the 24 months I've had it (I'm including the Blackstone days! ).
I am very keen to go NAND. I'm just waiting until the ROMs have had a month under their belt so they are watertight. I would normally be flashing like mad, but I'm just too happy with my phone for now.
Not too interested in WP7. If it was as easy as switching memory cards, I'd probably give it a week's fair chance. But I think Android's got my heart!
ROM: Evo's Black&Blue remix
PAST Windows Phone 7 - Was using it but after 2 days I decided to change back to Winmo becouse it had too much limitations to my country and I didn't want to use an other Windows Live profile, but it is a great development. When it is better and available in my county I'm definitely going to use it. I have an key already . Try the chat-support if you're afraid to call
STOCK Windows Mobile 6.5 - Back to stock, it is OK but not perfect. See my Windows Phone 7 story why Windows Mobile. Why the stock version? I want to keep my warranty and Android SD builds are good enough for me.
Android SD/RAM - You don't need NAND when you use RAM builds. It's very fast. Android is good and I like it, when i'm going to put Windows Phone 7 next time on my phone I definitely putting Android on SD as well on my phone. The best combination ever.
Sorry for poor english
Looks like it's between android NAND and WP7 now
I used WP7 but am going back to Android right now... WP7 needs more work from Redmond before I might give it another chance.
Been off-line a couple of months.. Carnt believe all the new developments..
Iv just been running the Core Series ever since i got my Leo.
Sergio76 from the Core Cell Team has been working hard on their first CoreDroid HD NAND version. All i can say is your all in for a big surprise!!
Check my sig if you not familiar with Sergio76's work.
I used winmo stock for the first 3 weeks i had my Leo. Just while i got my head around the differences from my diamond. Then flashed an Energy 6.5.x build and not looked back (that was almost a year ago). I've used a couple of android SD builds and i came to the conclusion that it wasn't for me. It feels like an open source iphone for teenagers. Hell, i've used my sisters desire with the stock rom and the feel of the whole phone was lacking compared to my HD2.
This poll is a good idea there is just one problem with it. Android users are very vocal about their love of the operating system. Winmo users tend to be much less so. I think this has a lot to do with the user bases age range (ie alot older than most android users). I also think it has something to do with the original demographic Windows CE was aimed at - IT professionals. Winmo has grown from this and taken people like me with it. I find the integration and compatibility with the windows based networks i run to be the best feature of windows mobile and i'm yet to achieve that using android (and not for want of trying either).
I will try out WP7 but i'm waiting for the february update first. Copy/paste is a must for me.
using android nand atm. so far its awesome! battery life is great, runs really smooth and its pweety :3
i havent tested wp7 yet, although i really want to. Maybe when i have the time next week...
I'm still using nandroid at the moment although already bought a new sdcard to use for WP7. The reason I haven't moved to wp7 yet because I'm so questioning why there is no support from Cotulla, DFT and other Developers (they've disappeared since wp7 on hd2 issued) !!! Probably they're working hard for a better WP7 version, or they can't reach any more progress for WP7 on HD2, or some other reasons. Who knows???
BTW, my nandroid from RaiderX303 is really good now, so I'll wait to see what will happen to wp7 so that i can decide move to wp7 or not!
You guys just try out webbrowsing on wp7
I tried WP7 on my HD2 but could not get past the Live Services verification step. I've given up for now but I absolutely loved the interface and the web browsing. It made me seriously think about getting an HD7 as my next phone until I realised nothing is as open and moddable as Android. I've switched back to Android 2.3 on NAND.
Edit: Finally SUCCESS!!! I got the verification. Going to try WP7 for a while. A seriosuly annoying thing is that some apps that are free on Android Market are charged on WP7 Marketplace.
Last 2 days, I've used WP7 inc. live services and Android on SD Duel Boot. The best thing about WP7 is the smoothness of the OS although the multitouch sucks compared to Android.
I'm most likely gonna go back to Nandroid and use SD to test other Android builds.
So basically a duel boot android/android.
WP7 for me, well at least for the last four days...here is why
GPS...Instant no waiting at all for a fix, using Endomondo for running, the route is spot on, best i have ever seen on any of my other phones, or even this HD2 running WM to Android.
SOUND...the sound quality, through headphones on WP7 is second none, why on eaarth its so much better than Android I really don't know and the ZUNE player and online stuff is simply fantastic
OFFICE...miles better than WM office, Android office apps just don't cut it
GAMES...try Harvest wow can't believe my HD2 is actually running this. loads more to try, also loving AlphaJAX bit like scrabble and wordsmith on Android only slicker.
INTERFACE...slick super fast, makes Android and WM on the HD2 seem antiquated
SOCIAL...the people update is simply perfect, facebook and twitter apps never look so good, loving the swiping about
KEYBOARD...never used such a easy to use keyboard, not sure why its so much better, I can type faster then on swipe, weird
Camera and Video... well this is hands down miles better than anything else for the HD2, did some filming at the weekend and the clarity is amazing
CALENDAR...quick easy and perfect for me to add and adjust my busy schedule
PHONE and SMS...sound quality and signal just work
Ok there are few teething problems but hopefully between XDA and Microsoft these will improve, ie...cut/paste, flash would be nice, but uses to much of my 3g allowance, Multitasking not that it needs it, it runs so fast, but perhaps being able to run my online radio with the brilliant rescoradio and do other things would be nice, otherwise you can have music running all the time and do other things, lets see what happens...
BTW you should cross MeeGo, 'cause it's not been released yet, not even a beta.
I'm using an Activated WP7
Lately I've been running MDJ Gingerbread CM7 flashed from recovery. I like being able to quickly create a clockworkmod backup, swap sd card, then flash WP7 or ubuntu just to mess around with. Afterward I can just flash back clockworkmod, stick my other sd card back in, restore and go right back to gingerbread.
Looking at the poll results thusfar, it seems that the HD2 has to be called an android phone xD
well, my hd2 runs on custom wm. have been jumping between energy and dutty rom. I must say both are equally good and rock stable. But i decided to stay with dutty because his comes with chinese input. tried andriod SD but it's eating battery as if it's free! so decided to stay with wm.
@OP
You forgot to include on the poll Windows 98 and 95 both running on Leo too
orb3000 said:
@OP
You forgot to include on the poll Windows 98 and 95 both running on Leo too
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Actually, knowingly didn't add them as they don't support phone functions so they can't be used as a daily driver.
Guys using Stock Windows Mobile 6.5.x on device like HD2 don't deserve to be on XDA
hi guys...
I have the Leo for a year or so,
i used to have WM EnergyROM and iit was perfect for me...
and then DFT came and gave us the Android gift, so i've flashed the NAND ROM
and using it ever since... BUT i don't like the idea of "cloud" sh** of the Android, I see no differance in speed, sure it looks better than WM6.5....
but it never felt solid like WM....
now i simply don't know what to do....
Leave it as is and use the Android OS or go back to WM??
i sure need some advice....
I would install Pyramid rom like I did and be happy!
Im happy with my HD2 Using android Pyramid rom with everyday use and its stable nice and solid. P.S. Im using CLK...
having used all three OS's a lot on the HD2, i can give you a fairly good idea of what id do but its very much personal preference.
There is nothing wrong with wm, I personally think its an amazing OS, yeah it doesnt look as good, yeah it doesnt run as fast but its a work horse and will do anything.
the other two OS's, WP and android are two very different kettles of fish, WP is in my opinion the best PHONE OS out there, it has a lot of great features especially around exchange support and social networks. android is a bit flaky in my opinion, but appears to have more "modability" If you dont like the whole idea of uploading to a clould then that only leaves android and WM, in my humble opinion WM wins from a userbility point of view and android wins from a interface perspective (WP wins that if you include that in to the mix!)
dazza9075 said:
having used all three OS's a lot on the HD2, i can give you a fairly good idea of what id do but its very much personal preference.
There is nothing wrong with wm, I personally think its an amazing OS, yeah it doesnt look as good, yeah it doesnt run as fast but its a work horse and will do anything.
the other two OS's, WP and android are two very different kettles of fish, WP is in my opinion the best PHONE OS out there, it has a lot of great features especially around exchange support and social networks. android is a bit flaky in my opinion, but appears to have more "modability" If you dont like the whole idea of uploading to a clould then that only leaves android and WM, in my humble opinion WM wins from a userbility point of view and android wins from a interface perspective (WP wins that if you include that in to the mix!)
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mmm food for thought....
personally i'd go for WP7 BUT MS insist not giving me an Activition key they told me to contact HTC for that beacuase "it should be provided withe your new HD7" (MS Israel) i sent mail to MS USA and they told me to contact my local MS service... so WP7 is a dead end for me...
the idea fo giving google all personal information with Android is also disturbing me but there are a very good and usfule apps in it like Whatsapp (that i use daily)...
on the other hand WM provides me a better an much more convinent way of data Sync to my PC and most of the apps that i use on Android can be replaced with equivilant apps on WM exept Whatsapp...
the G-sensors on WM don't work on all apps (like WAZE that i use daily) kind of annoing...
my friend is a Developer he told me that Android works better on the HD2 i don't know how or why or if it's true even thou the HD2 is WM native...
so i really don't know what to choose very confused and tierd of flashing from one to another just becuase "every one use this OS or the other"
honestly i think that when HTC built the HD2 they aimed for WP7 and Windows will always work better on it and Windows is much more convinient for data Sync. no "special" drivers is required or some other tricks just to allow me to connect my HD2 to PC....
Me knowing that there are no more updates for WM6.5.x from MS holds me back call me stupid but it makes me think that this platform is dead (and i know it's not true)
bahhhh very very confused......
I have tried wm, and wp7 and android, and HyperDroidCM7v3.1 is the best ROM for the hd2 that is out there now. Just give it a try and you'll know what I mean ;-) Really.
Sent from my HD2 HyperDroidCM7v3.1 using XDA Premium
se1988 said:
I have tried wm, and wp7 and android, and HyperDroidCM7v3.1 is the best ROM for the hd2 that is out there now. Just give it a try and you'll know what I mean ;-) Really.
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i'm currently usin it if you look at my sig.
and in my former post i explaind myself about my opinion but yrt kind fo dont know what to do... i thought about dual boot of WM and Android but it's not a solution because i want to use one OS.... not a GAZILION OS's.....
I stuck with NRG WM6.5 on my hd2. Tried android on HD2 & also via HTC Desire with native Android. Android lacked in a lot of areas I needed daily & is in no way a great looking or clever GUI. I use NRG Dinik further modded by myself & it works perfect for me in business & pleasure & is solid & all functions I use & have tested work well, closest a phone OS gets to having a PC in your pocket.
Have very little experience of WP7 on HD2, used it on native handset but not enough to go verbal on opinions.
Main call is down to how you use your device & what you prioritise, unfortunately you are one of the few who are caught with needs that can not come from one OS.
Best you can do is work with the OS that comes closest & resolve lacking apps ect the best you can ...
I am surprised that a whatsapp alternative for WM has not materialised & also surprised the XDA app never went to WM.
WM is not dead & will be in real use for some while yet but chances of new applications & any form of evolution within the OS itself is unlikely. Shame really as 6.5.5 had a hell of a lot of potential, if MS had developed it faster Android could of been unknown & buying or flashing a phone would of been much simpler.
baraks said:
i'm currently usin it if you look at my sig.
and in my former post i explaind myself about my opinion but yrt kind fo dont know what to do... i thought about dual boot of WM and Android but it's not a solution because i want to use one OS.... not a GAZILION OS's.....
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Well, it comes down to a matter of taste really... You prefer WM, use WM. I prefer Android, because it owns everything else.
se1988 said:
Well, it comes down to a matter of taste really... You prefer WM, use WM. I prefer Android, because it owns everything else.
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By saying everything else, what do you mean??? I really dont understand the difference between all the os's....
For general knowledge i use data sync alot with my pc lots of mail use office acrobat reader gps and im soft.... if this helps to advise me...
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baraks said:
By saying everything else, what do you mean??? I really dont understand the difference between all the os's....
For general knowledge i use data sync alot with my pc lots of mail use office acrobat reader gps and im soft.... if this helps to advise me...
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Android can meet your demands and more. Maybe WM is good enough for you, but give Android a try! I promise you, you will never go back
Why drive a Toyota Corolla, when you can have the Bugatti Veyron for free?
se1988 said:
Android can meet your demands and more. Maybe WM is good enough for you, but give Android a try! I promise you, you will never go back
Why drive a Toyota Corolla, when you can have the Bugatti Veyron for free?
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Because you will likely crash an burn in the bugatti and it will cost you more in the long run.
WM is solid, if the OEMs and networks didnt screw it up so much then it might still be a leading contender today.
as it is, WM is the best SMARTPHONE OS out there, in my opinion WP7 is the best Phone OS out there (android would fit in to this if it wasnt bloated and becoming more fragmented by the week) There is a big difference between Smartphone and phone, and iOS, android and WP do not fit the bill for a true smartphone.
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Because you will likely crash an burn in the bugatti and it will cost you more in the long run.
WM is solid, if the OEMs and networks didnt screw it up so much then it might still be a leading contender today.
as it is, WM is the best SMARTPHONE OS out there, in my opinion WP7 is the best Phone OS out there (android would fit in to this if it wasnt bloated and becoming more fragmented by the week) There is a big difference between Smartphone and phone, and iOS, android and WP do not fit the bill for a true smartphone.
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You get my vote, could not of worded it any better.
MS have to take some flack for not developing it faster & reducing OEM derived bugs by creating a base platform that did not need so much modding & stayed more in MS control.
WM is an amazing Phone OS & I find it so wasteful & short sighted on MS to of totally dumped it ...
se1988 said:
Android can meet your demands and more. Maybe WM is good enough for you, but give Android a try! I promise you, you will never go back
Why drive a Toyota Corolla, when you can have the Bugatti Veyron for free?
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Dude i'm driving a Suzuki swift 09 with 102HP and i would not swap it for buggati its too rich for my blood even for free... lol
For the os wm is the best out ther i use android just because it has whatsapp....
As i said before i dont bellive on the cloud..... it's stupid imo...
Android feels like a toy to me and suits more for teens WM feels like i have a smaller version of pc in my hand
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baraks said:
Dude i'm driving a Suzuki swift 09 with 102HP and i would not swap it for buggati its too rich for my blood even for free... lol
For the os wm is the best out ther i use android just because it has whatsapp....
As i said before i dont bellive on the cloud..... it's stupid imo...
Android feels like a toy to me and suits more for teens WM feels like i have a smaller version of pc in my hand
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Indeed WM is the smartest in base platform functionality & closest any phone OS has been to a notebook in your pocket.
Mister B said:
Indeed WM is the smartest in base platform functionality & closest any phone OS has been to a notebook in your pocket.
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is there a way that you can tell me the differance between th OS's WM Android and WP?
exept that Android is LiMO based.. i mean the overall difference...
UPDATE: (1.10 20:45 GMT+2) got back to WM6.5 21916 Energy ROM CHT2.0 4.7.11.... and it feel so GOOD
UPDATE: (2.10 2:33 GMT+2) Restored my NANDroid WM keeps on freezing
Well, I do agree that WM WAS a good OS. Just too bad that both support, myphone and marketplace has been discontinued, just to let WM die a silent death... At least Android is guaranteed to keep up for a long time to come
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baraks said:
is there a way that you can tell me the differance between th OS's WM Android and WP?
exept that Android is LiMO based.. i mean the overall difference...
UPDATE: (1.10 20:45 GMT+2) got back to WM6.5 21916 Energy ROM CHT2.0 4.7.11.... and it feel so GOOD
UPDATE: (2.10 2:33 GMT+2) Restored my NANDroid WM keeps on freezing
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Have a look at this link (if not done already!)for some comparisons comments on various OS's
If your WM is freezing you need to review HSPL/Radio & ROM build you are using & perhaps apps you install !
The 23699 is my favourite & most stable Energy ROM & the 290xx builds are good if you want newer ROMs (New does not always mean better) ...
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se1988 said:
Well, I do agree that WM WAS a good OS. Just too bad that both support, myphone and marketplace has been discontinued, just to let WM die a silent death... At least Android is guaranteed to keep up for a long time to come
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No big deal never used it anyway.
I have all personal apps & work apps on my own server archive & also contacts are saved on server & via Gmail so we can access & install anywhere if needed.
Why rely on a 3rd party when you can be in control yourself.
As for Market appeal, personally I prefer sourcing apps originally via good old web searching & checking known bugs & best builds(latest ain't always greatest) ...
If you find installing loads of poor quality apps and never finding favourite version of an app again a great hobby then yes a market is a great tool !
i don't think it's HSPL/Radio ROM since i havn't changed them since last radio rom update (2.15.50.14)
maybe some app (i susspect the XDA_IE_6.1.cab)
and my favorite build is 21916, didnt like that the start is on the bottom bar...
btw when i Sync the Outlook all my appointments nd holydays are duplicated on the HD2 (and i didn't PIM backup before Sync)....
baraks said:
i don't think it's HSPL/Radio ROM since i havn't changed them since last radio rom update (2.15.50.14)
maybe some app (i susspect the XDA_IE_6.1.cab)
and my favorite build is 21916, didnt like that the start is on the bottom bar...
btw when i Sync the Outlook all my appointments nd holydays are duplicated on the HD2 (and i didn't PIM backup before Sync)....
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Interesting how we all differ as I find the lower start bar far easier for touch input ...
Have you tried these tools for duplicate cleaning ! never tested them myself but thought would mention them as you might want to review them;
TrineFix
Outlook Cleaner
Mister B said:
Interesting how we all differ as I find the lower start bar far easier for touch input ...
Have you tried these tools for duplicate cleaning ! never tested them myself but thought would mention them as you might want to review them;
TrineFix
Outlook Cleaner
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thanx i'll give it a try