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The Desire of HD2

Hiya - I am finally ok to upgrade with T-Mob! I been wanting the HD2 for a while, but now they are releasing the Desire (early April according to the latest info from T-Mob). Please tell me guys, should I wait for the Desire?
- Part of me loves WM part of me hates. Like when you want to make a call - it wont, or finish a call - theres always a few second delay or it doesnt want to stop!
I tried the HD2 in the T-Mob store, it looks great, love the keyboard etc... but it froze couple times. Is this really normal?
- I like the idea of Android.. but wonder if it still has teething probs...
All of you who had the HD2 plesae give your honest opinon... is it worth to take the plunge for the next 18 months or so?
cheers!!!

Go for the Desire... I have the HD2 and i don't regret buying it really... A very nice phone with great hardware etc... The problem is the software.. HTC, and its Sense, has done a very good job making the OS look pretty... And it is, no doubt about that.. The problem is this: Stability.... Every once in a while the phone crashes, becomes slow etc. and requires me to reset it, even pull the battery when its total chaos ... It's not THAT bad, but it pisses me off frankly
The good thing about WM is the ability to customize it.. The funny thing is that it's pretty much a requirement to do so, to make the phone's software act decent...
The desire has a smaller screen, but also a more comfortable form factor.. But, as i said, it all comes down to software and longsighted view... Android is a platform of the future, and even right now it has taken big steps towards mobile OS domination.. It's fast, stabile and good looking.. What more can you ask for?

but than again.. android also crashes... (I know cause my cousin told me..)
I've got the HD2.. and I'm very pleased with it.. and yes it anoys me when it crashes.. but this only happens with custom roms and not with the stock rom.
My opinon is that your choice shouldn't just be software related but it has to be the whole thing..
And the phone is good enough to survive the comming 2 years...
(especialy if we get an update to wm7 but its not confirmed yet. we'll hear that next month.)
To me me the HD2 is the best phone ever and curently there is no phone that is able to replace it!!!
yesterday I was holding my uncles touch pro 2 and was so slow to me..

I own a HD2 and love it, very very few crashes and the latest ROM from HTC fixes most problems people had at the beginning. I've got a friend who owns a Hero (Android + Sense) and complains all the time because of crashes and bad network signal and so on.
The Nexus One received a lot of bad press because of poor 3G signals but hopefully HTC have patched that so it shouldn't be an issue on the Desire.
Also, if WM7 is as closed as some make it out to be then I personally will be getting an Android next purchase. I had a G1 with some of the first iterations of Andriod and franky they were crap, but it has had some massive improvments since then and is looking very slick and has a great future ahead. I have not used any of the 2.0 versions but they have slowly been tempting me away from my HD2 and WM, the only thing holding me back is a spare pile of cash.
It all comes down to personal opinion and how much you want to do with it and if you want to tweak it. If you are more of a fiddly type and love messing with settings and stuff then get the HD2, if you just want to use it out of the box without doing anything to it then go with the Desire.

For me HD2 is my first WM phone and honestly I have no idea why are people slagging it so much. I have absolutelly no problems making phone calls, texting or doing anything else with my phone. It's been 2 months since I got and it crashed once and that was because of me installing some dodgy app. I think people moaning all the time just dont know how to use it properly. Its the same with Windows XP, Vista etc. Some of my pals restore their systems every few weeks while I've had my last XP instalation running for year and a half and it was still all right just a bit slow to boot up.
In conclusion - if you know what you doing there is nothing wrong with WM. If you want more idiotproof os go for android or iphone.

If the T-Mobile ROM is stable, then I would say get the HD2 with the bigger screen. I have the T9193 version and when it works, it is great. I have to do a lot more tweaking on it to get it to work the way I want it. The data connection constantly drops or is off even when I have full bars with the H logo. Youtube app doesn't work on mine, I have read there is a fix where I have to edit the registry to remove the cingular settings.
I want to try Android myself, I will ge the X10 when AT&T releases it.

I;ve own the HD2 for a month now with dutty's HG v0.9 ROM / 2.08 radio. and i dont know what crashes you guys are talking about. mines is completely stable.

buy the desire android gets ubdates more than windows mobile

HD2 is the best phone I have ever used. I have had it 3 weeks, not a single crash. I am still on the 1.48 ROM, had the sms sending issue, applied the htc patch, all working. everything works on my phone. Apart from sms everything worked out the box. I have applied all the tweak and improvements from Xda, made it that much better. Go with the HD2, you won't be sorry.

hoss_n2 said:
buy the desire android gets ubdates more than windows mobile
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Yes, because it is a much younger platform that needs those updates. WM 6.5 is already quite stable and doesn't need all those updates.
Unless you are talking about GMaps, GGoggles etc. Because all those great free services that Google are offering are very temping.

I too own Hd2 and I dont really know wheter I totaly love it, or I hate it.
It is totaly fast compared to older devices. Winmo is great cuz it can be customizable. Winmo is stable base for app. I dont use HTC slowdown programs and It's quite satysfing.
On the other hand, winmo is quite slow and ugly. You have to customize, if you want decent device. Android is really looking great. Winmo 7 (windows phone 7 series) is total crap, full of LOOOOONG pointless animations, and no functionality (and ugly too). So there is no future. And android's future is quite bright, look at all these new and nice games for it.
Thats how it is. I love my HD2, but I'm really curious about android. So both ways are great choose if you ask me =)

Thanks
Thanks for your opinions/experience guys! Its going to be a tricky decision.. I normally go for the 18 month contract so hope I do the right thing. Never used android before, but it looks great, but then Im waiting now T-Mob to make me an offer I cant refuse...

In any case, you will have to wait until the end of March. By then, it will likely be clear whether the HD2 gets an upgrade to WP7 or not.
If the HD2 doesn't get an upgrade to WP7, then I'd say get the Desire. Windows Mobile 6.5 is dead (not yet, but soon). The Desire will at least get updates to future Android versions.
Right now, there are things that Windows Mobile does better, and there are things that Android does better. The quality of the applications on Android is certainly better than what you can find for Windows Mobile (there are about 30000 applications for both, but almost noone develops anymore for Windows Mobile 6.5).
Android has perfect integration with Google's services. Windows Mobile has not-so-perfect integration with Microsoft's services (e.g. you can't sync the calendar with Windows Live). Only Windows Mobile has good Exchange support, if you're an Exchange user.
Stability? That depends. I would not claim that one of them is more stable than the other. But Android works more smoothly (with transitions etc.).

My Nexus One has never crashed, and I have had it since before the launch.

WinMo vs. Android

Here's the thing ... I have been using winmo smartphones since the first SPV hit the UK. I have always loved them for their customisability (did I make that word up?) ... customisingness ... you know what I mean
With forums like this for constant tweaks and themes and apps and all sorts, winmo has been great for me. With an HD2 and sense 2.5 custom roms my phone does nearly everything I want it to ... phone/net/messaging/camera/music player/weather/twitter etc etc, and it does it in a very pleasing eye-candy laden manner, one which is customised to exactly the way I like it and is easily changeable when I get bored of looking at the same wallpaper/icons/taskbar/softkeys etc etc, which inevitably happens every few minutes.
Now, I know that winmo as an operating system sucks balls, but I am looking at the overall experience that I have with my phone - I gotta say that the HD2 is the fastest, most reliable phone I have ever used. The HTC sense stuff is probably the reason for most of it being good & looking nice.
So I find myself messing around with android, obviously which is noweher near finished, but you can get the general idea of it. Now, it looks very nice, and it seems to have some nice features ... but really, what is the main reason people want android so badly? I have looked around the android forums and seen that there are some custom roms & tweaks etc, but is it anywhere near as customisable as winmo?
Everyone seems so down on MS, and wondows 7 looks set to be another **** up, but look at the fun we have all had from winmo so far. Without the constant tweaking, customising, forum dwelling etc, I think a huge part of my mobile experience would disappear - the best part.
What do you guys think? Are there good reasons why android could be more fun than winmo in future? Does anybody still love their winmo experience ... even despite the actual winmo bits?
Let's talk.

drblow said:
Here's the thing ... I have been using winmo smartphones since the first SPV hit the UK. I have always loved them for their customisability (did I make that word up?) ... customisingness ... you know what I mean
With forums like this for constant tweaks and themes and apps and all sorts, winmo has been great for me. With an HD2 and sense 2.5 custom roms my phone does nearly everything I want it to ... phone/net/messaging/camera/music player/weather/twitter etc etc, and it does it in a very pleasing eye-candy laden manner, one which is customised to exactly the way I like it and is easily changeable when I get bored of looking at the same wallpaper/icons/taskbar/softkeys etc etc, which inevitably happens every few minutes.
Now, I know that winmo as an operating system sucks balls, but I am looking at the overall experience that I have with my phone - I gotta say that the HD2 is the fastest, most reliable phone I have ever used. The HTC sense stuff is probably the reason for most of it being good & looking nice.
So I find myself messing around with android, obviously which is noweher near finished, but you can get the general idea of it. Now, it looks very nice, and it seems to have some nice features ... but really, what is the main reason people want android so badly? I have looked around the android forums and seen that there are some custom roms & tweaks etc, but is it anywhere near as customisable as winmo?
Everyone seems so down on MS, and wondows 7 looks set to be another **** up, but look at the fun we have all had from winmo so far. Without the constant tweaking, customising, forum dwelling etc, I think a huge part of my mobile experience would disappear - the best part.
What do you guys think? Are there good reasons why android could be more fun than winmo in future? Does anybody still love their winmo experience ... even despite the actual winmo bits?
Let's talk.
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I think many users are looking at Android, because it straddles the line between ultimate customizability (WinMo) and a modern touch-enabled application-rich OS (iPhone). While many of the tweaks for WinMo are to change the UI to suit the user, a large number are also needed for the smooth operation of the devices, which some don't want to bother with, myself included at times.
WinMo is fine for me, because it provides me an acceptable level of Exchange integration, decent web browsing and email support. However, Android provides those as well, in a more consistent experience, without as much need to worry about random bugs that plague the otherwise decent experience.

Hello Guys,
i am french.
i am using winmo since it starts. i have bought more than 20 phone devices.
actually i use the hd2 and i find it very great.
i see android also. i agree with you.
winmo is good because you can do everything or near with it.
but some great editors has decided not to continue dev on winmo like skype...
some great games also does not ported or developed on winmo like belote (french card game), sccrabble (in french), etc, and some great apps.
but i continue to say that winmo is great and with forum like here it grow everytime.
i hope that new devices like hd2, in future, winmo will find a place with a new terrible version.
there is a lot of things to say but the most important is that everyone have a prefered system and continue to compare them will permit to make a good choice.
thanks to xda... without you all, i don't know..

chuck232 said:
While many of the tweaks for WinMo are to change the UI to suit the user, a large number are also needed for the smooth operation of the devices, which some don't want to bother with, myself included at times.
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Yeah, I guess I am thinking of this in a purely selfish way. I imagine the part of the overall winmo ownership that bothers with all the tweaking is relatively small, so in the big picture I guess there are alot more people who rely on stock windows mobile roms that are lacking.
Is android that customisable? E.g can you edit icons on the programs list? Is it just a bit early and android will soon have all the tweaks that winmo currently has? I am hoping so because it is open source.

Likilik said:
Hello Guys,
i am french.
i am using winmo since it starts. i have bought more than 20 phone devices.
actually i use the hd2 and i find it very great.
i see android also. i agree with you.
winmo is good because you can do everything or near with it.
but some great editors has decided not to continue dev on winmo like skype...
some great games also does not ported or developed on winmo like belote (french card game), sccrabble (in french), etc, and some great apps.
but i continue to say that winmo is great and with forum like here it grow everytime.
i hope that new devices like hd2, in future, winmo will find a place with a new terrible version.
there is a lot of things to say but the most important is that everyone have a prefered system and continue to compare them will permit to make a good choice.
thanks to xda... without you all, i don't know..
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I agree with you about the developers. For a long time I thought that SBSH was the best software company around, but they abandoned their winmo apps in favour of iPone a long time ago and they lost pace with the htc sense/touchflo market and now their famous today apps are history, pretty much. Seems like many developers have/are abandoning winmo, looks from some reviews fo far that windows 7 will fail.

The key is that Windows Mobile as we know it is about to die a death - there is no support for it any more from either Microsoft or application makers. And from what we have read of the upcoming WM 7, Microsoft seem to have taken a leaf out of Apple's book in that it takes away a lot of the control from the user and is a whole lot less customizable, which is the main feature that appeals to the current WM user base. As such I strongly suspect WM 7's life cycle is going to be short as it seems to me it hasn't really got a target audience - people who want an easy ride and have their hand held buy an iPhone while people who want more control buy an Android device. Who is going to buy a WM7 device? Certainly not the current WM users as the differences are such that there is effectively no similarities beyond the name.
Android is by far the best operating system available on a phone in my opinion. It has the advantage of ease of use along with being highly customizable, the best of both worlds so to speak. It's support is increasing all the time (there are more Android devices than iPhones now) and with Google's muscle it's going to go from strength to strength.

Pretty much what everybody said. Mainly Pagnell made good point.
Let me make my little point too.
The thing why many wants ANDROID (including me, now that I have tried it) is that because Winmo remained the same for a long time. It's basic architecture and overall experience is aimed at older less powerful devise. I use my phone for entertainment and web browsing. The web expericence (opera 10) is imho the best of Handheld OSs, but entertainment lacks a lot. There are only few good looking games. There are even fewer which uses new technology as G-sensor. And multitouch is totally messed up because of the HTC.
So the main problem is, that Winmo aplications (and system as a whole) is aimed for larger scale of phones and in that sense doesnt provide good applications for the newest models (like HD2). Only Great entertainment app for WinMo that can stress HD2 is FPSEce which is also my best reason to stay with Winmo =)

The main reason why I stayed with WinMo is the ability to install applications to memory card... can't do that with the Android...
WinMo is not as bad as you think... check out the link:
http://jkontherun.com/2009/11/23/windows-mobile-vs-android-winmo-is-better-than-you-think/

Pagnell said:
The key is that Windows Mobile as we know it is about to die a death - there is no support for it any more from either Microsoft or application makers. And from what we have read of the upcoming WM 7, Microsoft seem to have taken a leaf out of Apple's book in that it takes away a lot of the control from the user and is a whole lot less customizable, which is the main feature that appeals to the current WM user base. As such I strongly suspect WM 7's life cycle is going to be short as it seems to me it hasn't really got a target audience - people who want an easy ride and have their hand held buy an iPhone while people who want more control buy an Android device. Who is going to buy a WM7 device? Certainly not the current WM users as the differences are such that there is effectively no similarities beyond the name.
Android is by far the best operating system available on a phone in my opinion. It has the advantage of ease of use along with being highly customizable, the best of both worlds so to speak. It's support is increasing all the time (there are more Android devices than iPhones now) and with Google's muscle it's going to go from strength to strength.
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I agree entirely. I think it's a shame what seems to be happening to winmo - I don't know how much credibility the forum-user community has ever had in the mobile devices world, but for me as a user it has been an exciting experience from day 1. My mobile experience has been interlinked with forums & customisation since day 1 and it has involved sharing a great deal with a great deal of people on the web. I have/do enjoy it as a part of the experience.
If android takes over as the place to be for all the fun of customising then so be it. MS should hang their heads in shame for allowing winmo to die off, but it has been fun.

otacon said:
The main reason why I stayed with WinMo is the ability to install applications to memory card... can't do that with the Android...
WinMo is not as bad as you think... check out the link:
http://jkontherun.com/2009/11/23/windows-mobile-vs-android-winmo-is-better-than-you-think/
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You can with Froyo 2.2

I hate the only thing about Android that is really pain in the a$ - transition effects are LOUSY ... not comperable to iPhone and that is the biggest flaw of Andorid. Even WinMo Sense has better transition than Android... Tried EVO and X - LOUSY CHOPPY transition effects and not comparable not only to iPhone but not comparable to WinMo as well.

Moving from WinMo to Android, I realised that there is no equivalent of ActiveSync (or WMDC) for direct synchronisation to Outlook on the desktop. I prefer to keep my PIM info to myself and not rely on the cloud based services Google is encouraging.
Is there an Android equivalent?

Each system has its own benefits and drawbacks. With WM I can use offline gps maps with igo or tom tom, I can get great idle battery life, great outlook sync and several UI options with sense(max, cookie) or SPB Shell. Android is more sophisticated under the hood, looks and feels more smooth, has a great app market and is actively being developed and updated.
Having both of these on the HD2 is something other smartphone users will never have the opportunity to have.
I'm also tired of android and iphone users killing windows mobile. Most of them have never used it and aren't aware how well it can run. WM takes a little effort to get a custom rom and good software but its still a good system.

Indeed! Having both winmo & android on an hd2 seems an appropriate pay off for years of supporting mobile development on forums.
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bentez2003 said:
You can with Froyo 2.2
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which runs on exactly how many devices??? (without rooting and running a custom ROM)

I really don't know why you guys say that winmo is more costumizable than android. I own a tmobile g1, nexus one, an HD2 and have owned other winmo phones and I can honestly tell you that android is as costumizable or more than winmo. IMO Android is superior in almost everything than winmo. Really the only reason I bought the HD2 was for the screen. I had never owned a phone with such a huge screen . You can't compare winmo to android port for HD2 since it is nowhere near finished. Just look at the G1/Dream forum, there are ALOT of roms, mods, themes, apps and tweaks for it even though it was the first android phone ever and has been left behind by much better and newer android phones. I'm a power user with my phones (even take it when going to restroom lol) and even though I love the HD2 hardware I can't leave android. I guess everyone gets used to a certain OS and it depends alot on a user's needs but I'm just giving you MY opinion and by a means I respect everyone else's opinion.

Right now, WinMo is way more customizable than android. Most android users that say android is as customizable don't even realize everything that is changeable and skinnable and customizable on winmo. Pretty much EVERYTHING on WinMo can be changed to look and act the way you want. It takes a lot of work and time and playing around to do it and get it working good, though.
WinMo is the most versatile mobile os available right now, imo. The main issue is that support and developers for it are coming to an end. It was always aimed more at business and power users and was never made user friendly enough and never advertised enough for the average phone user. WinMo was originally designed as a pocket pc os, then when phones and pocket pcs converged, phone functions were added to winmo. Android was designed as a phone os to begin with, and are adding more functionality as its developed, so its a lot more user friendly and understandable to the average phone consumer. Android is catching up in its versatility and functionality as it developed, and will one day be more functional than winmo, i'm sure. But WinMo is a great os to power users, business users, and people who know it well, and it will be a while before android matches it's versatility. I know many android fans will argue that, but I've used winmo for 8 years and android for more than 2 years... and I love them both... but I would pick winmo over android right now. In a year, I may change my mind as android is constantly being developed and has a LOT of apps, while WinMo is dying.
But the great thing with the HD2 and most current winmo devices is that we can run android also... so when I need to run a specific android app or just want to play around with android, I can quickly boot into it. You can't boot into winmo with android devices. I think I will be using my HD2 for a long time, as it's going to be probably the greatest winmo device ever made, and I'll be able to use android... and the way the devs are developing android on the HD2, I think it will actually be close to as functional as a native android device a lot sooner than I thought it would be. It's being developed quicker than any previous android port to a winmo device in the past.

As a avid android supporter and a owner of an hd2 I really like having both windows mobile and android.
with the recent port of Android to the hd2 I am happy to have my widgets back .
A lot of what I missed about android was its skinned interface. Sure windows is skinned but when you by pass sense you end up seeing the ugly windows ce look.
It drives me batty.
Also windows is dying. It is getting hard
er and harder to find apps. Those apps also dont get updated either.
I have no interest in windows mobile 7
And I had it with the iphone and any other apple products.
btw android is just as customizable as windows mobile. Much in the say ways .. atleast in my opinion

I would agree with mustang_3kgt, it also baffles me when people argue to get hd2 or to stick to it because it is very customisable since it is based on WinMo. I use my hd2 since february and i agree that it is customisable and it is pretty easy once you know what you are doing. But customisability of a phone in my opinion should not be measured by the mere ability to customise every single bit, but by the existing possibilities to customise. what i mean for instance is the number of themes available for hd2/sense 2.5. as far as i know there are just 4 themes: GTX, Fallout, Buuf and Anastasia, thats it. yesterday i checked nexus 1's forum and on the first page i bumped into 5 good looking themes. i know you would say you have winmo and customise your phone in a way you want to, but not every user has the necessary design skills.
as it has already been said, winmo is a dying platform, android in a hardware like hd2 (4.3 inches screen) is the future

What is all this winmo is dead and abandoned stuff?
There is as much or more activity on this forum for WinMo as there was a year ago.
There are many more websites and forums devoted to WinMo and WinMo apps than there was a year ago.
There are two new WinMo marketplace sites under active development.
Microsoft just released Office Mobile 2010 and gave it to their 6.5 customers. Is that abandonment? Phones are still being sold with WinMo on them new.
There are not as many WinMo apps, but does there need to be? When did quantity, not quality, become the better parameter?
All you have to do is mention a need for an app on these forums and if it seems worthwhile a team jumps on it and develops it.
With WinMo there are almost as many themes as phones. It is so customizable that everyone can have their own amazing theme.
What did the man say? "The reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated!"

What OS are you using as your daily driver?

Hi,
I was just curious about which OS is used the most, and which OS is used the least. Please submit your vote, so we can get an as accurate as possible picture. By Daily driver I mean which OS you're using right now to text, call and just use for your daily life.
A short list of the options and their definitions:
Stock Windows Mobile 6.5.x - You're using the stock rom that came with the device, or an official update.
Custom Windows Mobile 6.5.x - You've flashed a custom rom like Energy rom. Chances are you're changing the rom on a regular basis.
Android SD/RAM - You're running Android old school from your SD card, or you're using a RAM build.
Android NAND - You're using the latest and greatest NAND (Internal memory) build(s) out there!
Windows Phone 7 - You're loyal to Microsoft and decided to flash Redmond's latest and greatest.
Ubuntu - You decided a mobile OS just wasn't good enough, and you gave your HD2 a full desktop/netbook experience! Unlikely you're using this on a daily basis though
MeeGo - You're using MeeGo. I'm not sure if it's possible, as it hasn't been released yet, but it's worth a shot.
- If you're dualbooting, just choose the main one.
I'm curious what the results might be. I'm currently using Windows Phone 7 for texting, calling, some gaming and just for the general experience. I've also partitioned half of my SD card for Darkstone SuperRAM, just for Angry Birds and Scooter Hero. I think most people are using a Android NAND build by now though.

Android SD/RAM - Utterly smooth, I haven't changed builds for five weeks because I have no problems with this. First time my phone has been flawless in the 24 months I've had it (I'm including the Blackstone days! ).
I am very keen to go NAND. I'm just waiting until the ROMs have had a month under their belt so they are watertight. I would normally be flashing like mad, but I'm just too happy with my phone for now.
Not too interested in WP7. If it was as easy as switching memory cards, I'd probably give it a week's fair chance. But I think Android's got my heart!
ROM: Evo's Black&Blue remix

PAST Windows Phone 7 - Was using it but after 2 days I decided to change back to Winmo becouse it had too much limitations to my country and I didn't want to use an other Windows Live profile, but it is a great development. When it is better and available in my county I'm definitely going to use it. I have an key already . Try the chat-support if you're afraid to call
STOCK Windows Mobile 6.5 - Back to stock, it is OK but not perfect. See my Windows Phone 7 story why Windows Mobile. Why the stock version? I want to keep my warranty and Android SD builds are good enough for me.
Android SD/RAM - You don't need NAND when you use RAM builds. It's very fast. Android is good and I like it, when i'm going to put Windows Phone 7 next time on my phone I definitely putting Android on SD as well on my phone. The best combination ever.
Sorry for poor english

Looks like it's between android NAND and WP7 now

I used WP7 but am going back to Android right now... WP7 needs more work from Redmond before I might give it another chance.

Been off-line a couple of months.. Carnt believe all the new developments..
Iv just been running the Core Series ever since i got my Leo.
Sergio76 from the Core Cell Team has been working hard on their first CoreDroid HD NAND version. All i can say is your all in for a big surprise!!
Check my sig if you not familiar with Sergio76's work.

I used winmo stock for the first 3 weeks i had my Leo. Just while i got my head around the differences from my diamond. Then flashed an Energy 6.5.x build and not looked back (that was almost a year ago). I've used a couple of android SD builds and i came to the conclusion that it wasn't for me. It feels like an open source iphone for teenagers. Hell, i've used my sisters desire with the stock rom and the feel of the whole phone was lacking compared to my HD2.
This poll is a good idea there is just one problem with it. Android users are very vocal about their love of the operating system. Winmo users tend to be much less so. I think this has a lot to do with the user bases age range (ie alot older than most android users). I also think it has something to do with the original demographic Windows CE was aimed at - IT professionals. Winmo has grown from this and taken people like me with it. I find the integration and compatibility with the windows based networks i run to be the best feature of windows mobile and i'm yet to achieve that using android (and not for want of trying either).
I will try out WP7 but i'm waiting for the february update first. Copy/paste is a must for me.

using android nand atm. so far its awesome! battery life is great, runs really smooth and its pweety :3
i havent tested wp7 yet, although i really want to. Maybe when i have the time next week...

I'm still using nandroid at the moment although already bought a new sdcard to use for WP7. The reason I haven't moved to wp7 yet because I'm so questioning why there is no support from Cotulla, DFT and other Developers (they've disappeared since wp7 on hd2 issued) !!! Probably they're working hard for a better WP7 version, or they can't reach any more progress for WP7 on HD2, or some other reasons. Who knows???
BTW, my nandroid from RaiderX303 is really good now, so I'll wait to see what will happen to wp7 so that i can decide move to wp7 or not!

You guys just try out webbrowsing on wp7

I tried WP7 on my HD2 but could not get past the Live Services verification step. I've given up for now but I absolutely loved the interface and the web browsing. It made me seriously think about getting an HD7 as my next phone until I realised nothing is as open and moddable as Android. I've switched back to Android 2.3 on NAND.
Edit: Finally SUCCESS!!! I got the verification. Going to try WP7 for a while. A seriosuly annoying thing is that some apps that are free on Android Market are charged on WP7 Marketplace.

Last 2 days, I've used WP7 inc. live services and Android on SD Duel Boot. The best thing about WP7 is the smoothness of the OS although the multitouch sucks compared to Android.
I'm most likely gonna go back to Nandroid and use SD to test other Android builds.
So basically a duel boot android/android.

WP7 for me, well at least for the last four days...here is why
GPS...Instant no waiting at all for a fix, using Endomondo for running, the route is spot on, best i have ever seen on any of my other phones, or even this HD2 running WM to Android.
SOUND...the sound quality, through headphones on WP7 is second none, why on eaarth its so much better than Android I really don't know and the ZUNE player and online stuff is simply fantastic
OFFICE...miles better than WM office, Android office apps just don't cut it
GAMES...try Harvest wow can't believe my HD2 is actually running this. loads more to try, also loving AlphaJAX bit like scrabble and wordsmith on Android only slicker.
INTERFACE...slick super fast, makes Android and WM on the HD2 seem antiquated
SOCIAL...the people update is simply perfect, facebook and twitter apps never look so good, loving the swiping about
KEYBOARD...never used such a easy to use keyboard, not sure why its so much better, I can type faster then on swipe, weird
Camera and Video... well this is hands down miles better than anything else for the HD2, did some filming at the weekend and the clarity is amazing
CALENDAR...quick easy and perfect for me to add and adjust my busy schedule
PHONE and SMS...sound quality and signal just work
Ok there are few teething problems but hopefully between XDA and Microsoft these will improve, ie...cut/paste, flash would be nice, but uses to much of my 3g allowance, Multitasking not that it needs it, it runs so fast, but perhaps being able to run my online radio with the brilliant rescoradio and do other things would be nice, otherwise you can have music running all the time and do other things, lets see what happens...

BTW you should cross MeeGo, 'cause it's not been released yet, not even a beta.
I'm using an Activated WP7

Lately I've been running MDJ Gingerbread CM7 flashed from recovery. I like being able to quickly create a clockworkmod backup, swap sd card, then flash WP7 or ubuntu just to mess around with. Afterward I can just flash back clockworkmod, stick my other sd card back in, restore and go right back to gingerbread.

Looking at the poll results thusfar, it seems that the HD2 has to be called an android phone xD

well, my hd2 runs on custom wm. have been jumping between energy and dutty rom. I must say both are equally good and rock stable. But i decided to stay with dutty because his comes with chinese input. tried andriod SD but it's eating battery as if it's free! so decided to stay with wm.

@OP
You forgot to include on the poll Windows 98 and 95 both running on Leo too

orb3000 said:
@OP
You forgot to include on the poll Windows 98 and 95 both running on Leo too
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Actually, knowingly didn't add them as they don't support phone functions so they can't be used as a daily driver.

Guys using Stock Windows Mobile 6.5.x on device like HD2 don't deserve to be on XDA

Andrioid or Windows Phone 7

My new HD2 comes in tomorrow. ANd I am looking to take away the stock windows 6.5 and put either windows phone 7 or Andriod on it.
Now I come from using an iphone where i never used the ipod part of it. I did alot of gaming, and mostly organization for my job. It was a good phone book.
I dont use the internet much, so i just want to do basic browsing etc.
Im just not sure on which one is best. I have heard good things about windows 7
Now I am a mac guy, i have not had windows anything for over 10 years. So getting this windows system is it going to mess with my mac with sycing etc?
Just want to hear suggestioons. Thanks!

Apparently you can dual boot that thing
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Android for sure. Check out WP7 if we get the next update.

You will have to have Windows to flash MAGLDR or cLK which ever one you choose to go with as your bootloader. MAGLDR can boot Android and WP7, cLK can only boot Android. I suggest you have a look at the thread I linked seeing as you are running a MAC.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1039235

My question is this... what I am looking for in a phone. I dont want to have to worry about going form one OS to another.
I do not use the browser a lot. And I am not looking for many 3g apps. I am interested in apps in general.
What Im looking for is just a more organized phone. I loved my iphone for organization. I just hated how they did it (their folders suck).
I enjoy games, and i enjoy apps, dont get me wrong.
I dont facebook, i dont twitter. Mostly this phone will be used as a phone, and calendar and e-mail.
I played around with a windows 7 phone very briefly and LOVED the speed. I felt the layout would take a bit to get use to.
I never really played around with android ever. I have only seen video, and i like the fact that it has live wall paper.. other then that, I did not see anything that said use this!
I just want to make sure i get the OS that I want and is going to be best for me.

bnd10706 said:
My question is this... what I am looking for in a phone. I dont want to have to worry about going form one OS to another.
I do not use the browser a lot. And I am not looking for many 3g apps. I am interested in apps in general.
What Im looking for is just a more organized phone. I loved my iphone for organization. I just hated how they did it (their folders suck).
I enjoy games, and i enjoy apps, dont get me wrong.
I dont facebook, i dont twitter. Mostly this phone will be used as a phone, and calendar and e-mail.
I played around with a windows 7 phone very briefly and LOVED the speed. I felt the layout would take a bit to get use to.
I never really played around with android ever. I have only seen video, and i like the fact that it has live wall paper.. other then that, I did not see anything that said use this!
I just want to make sure i get the OS that I want and is going to be best for me.
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Best thing to do is just keep the Windows Mobile and dual boot Android from your SD card to getca good feel for how Android is and if you like it or not. Go to the HD2 Android SD development forums and checkout some of the SD cardcAndroid build. Also seens you mentioned games, Android has full flash support so that opens the gaming up a bit for Android. If you don't like Android you can then flash HSPL, MAGLDR, and then a WP7 ROM. Remember you will have to contact Microsoft to get a activation code to activate your live/cloud services, this includes the app market. Go to the HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A and General forums there are plenty of threads there on how to do this, it will not cost you a thing.
If you did like Android though you Can just flash Android to NAND and not WP7.
Now that is what is great about having a HTC HD2!!!!

bnd10706 said:
I dont facebook, i dont twitter. Mostly this phone will be used as a phone, and calendar and e-mail.
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In my opinion, you should go for WM6.5 or WP7.
Android is all eye candy and nonsense. Sure it can perform serious functions as well but if you want a hard working, organised OS then Microsoft is your friend.
Either that or a blackberry, but I couldn't condone that sort of behavior .......
IMO / JM2C etc....etc....
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....

I just edited my last message cause the GD productive text on Android. I had meant for my blue text to say "Now that is" not "Now that OS" made it mean something totally different. I absolutely hate the productive text on Android.

To each their own
You would need to BootCamp your Mac to get Windows on a partition to get Stuff Flashed
IMO Android should be the first OS to try out since you never tried it and its a lot easier to setup compared to WP7... Even thou WP7 is simplified the fact that their are bugs in WP7 like SDcard incompatibility and random restarts, there are some Android ROMS that are amazingly stable and you don't have to worry about activation to get the marketplace working
I had Gingerbread on my HD2 and it worked perfectly.. yesterday I switched back to WP7 and at first it would restart after a couple seconds but I somehow managed to get it stable and no more restarts
Sure you can stick with WM6.5 but the fact that you can load up an entire different OS that's newer will have you going crazy and in the end WM and your HD2 will part ways
Im torn between Android and WP7 but since everything is backed up in both Googles and Windows Live Servers I don't have to worry about loosing anything.. Just a matter of flashing and re-syncing

If you are into organization I will try a custom windows mobile Rom. It seems like Android and wp7 is based around entertainment. The office apps suck on wp7 and android.
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Personaly both fit your criteria. However android has a lot more apps than WP7. However you might also like the simplicity and fluidity of WP7. So my suggestion is to simply try each OS. Truthfully do you even really need to get your phone all organized just yet? Will a few days of testing really hurt your life? If not, then just take a few days to test both android and WP7.

To be completely honest with anyone who buys an hd2 just to run one operating system in my mind the big question, WHY?
the hd2 can dual boot perfectly, the hd2 has evolved into the tinker tailors mixenmatious ultimate device.
If you only want Android buy a hd desire.
If you only want wp7 buy an hd7
But if you want a device that can run them all and more, but never quite 100%, where you have to put lots of hours, time and patient into testing constantly changing tweaking and reading, asking questions, failing, crashing, frustration, confusion but overall HUGE interaction with a device. Then you came to the right device the hd2
Sent from my HTC HD2

Also an iPhone owner here and someone who cares a lot about organization, so perhaps I could give some decent advice.
To start -- I hate Windows Phone 7. Well, perhaps 'hate' is a bit too strong. Maybe it's better to say I really, really dislike it.
The best part about it is that it's ridiculously fast and smooth (maybe even moreso than iOS) and it's a very stylish OS, but many other things are fairly poor. The 'Hubs' style of UI interface doesn't seem to work so well (things got cluttered fast). Furthermore, the Marketplace is terrible; small selection with rather expensive apps and searching through the thing is pretty unintuitive.
There's also a bunch of little annoyances that got on my nerves quickly, such as the 'Resuming' nonsense that ends up forcing me to start over in whatever app I'm using or the fact that IE only allows me to have six tabs or the fact that there's no battery percentage (and no third party app that can access the info either!). Little things like that.
To summarize my feelings, WP7 resembles Android a lot. It sucks in the beginning, but it'll probably get better later on. If you were to ask me, I would wholly recommend installing Android over WP7; Android's Market is pretty horrible compare to iOS, but overall, it's worlds better than WP7.
It also helps that Android doesn't require some sort of special microSD like WP7.
P.S. Regarding potential issues with Mac...I honestly can't offer any advice here. I own a MacBook, but I always do these kind of things on my Windows desktop.

rhydrag83 said:
If you are into organization I will try a custom windows mobile Rom. It seems like Android and wp7 is based around entertainment. The office apps suck on wp7 and android.
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I Agree ......, I am using Android as it looks good and feels good to use android and lot of apps and games ... win phone 7 good but there are bugs knw like camera , no copy paste , and some other stuff that gives me a headache but win phone 7 is much faster than other roms ( for me)
for me Windows mobile 6.5 roms are good but boring

Well, im going to start with trying Android I guess for one week. then Try WP7 for one week. I guess thats the only way... I can see both sides.. but I will only know once i tried it.

If you are a person who uses mostly phone calls and texts, and data and Facebook, then there is not much problem with Windows Phone 7, but you cannot expect anything more from it. Yet to get proper messengers, tethering support, battery questionable.
Whereas Android will play a good part till the latter is developed in the coming days. Android will offer all the functionality and use your HD2 to full potential.

WP7 The Addictive OS

I have tried WM6.5 and Andriod and returned back to WP7.
Whenever I find a missing function in WP7, I Flash a different OS but then within a day or two I am back to WP7.
Is WP7 Is an addictive OS ?
Do you share my feelings toward WP7 ?
Regards

I've been through several roms on my hd2, WinMo 6.5, 6.5.*, Android, WP7.... Currently running an android rom and I hate it. WP7 was so much more user friendly. Sure android has more apps, but I hate having to sift through several menus to change settings. WP7 is clean and simple. Will probably move back to WP7 once a good NoDo or Mango rom is available.

Its called customising. WP7 is BOOOOOOOORING. Put the settings on your homescreen or find widgets that do the job of the settings you like to change. Its not difficult. Android much more interesting than WP7. Hell, WM6.5 is much more interesting than WP7. I just suppose if you like being told what to do WP7 is for you, whereas if you like to control what you are doing (and the device you own) android is for you. WP7 is boring and not at all addictive at all to me.

hungry81 said:
Its called customising. WP7 is BOOOOOOOORING. Put the settings on your homescreen or find widgets that do the job of the settings you like to change. Its not difficult. Android much more interesting than WP7. Hell, WM6.5 is much more interesting than WP7. I just suppose if you like being told what to do WP7 is for you, whereas if you like to control what you are doing (and the device you own) android is for you. WP7 is boring and not at all addictive at all to me.
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I wouldn't quite say WP7 is additive...it's more usable and stable than WM6.5.5 for the HD2 for certain!!!
If you don't like WP7 what the hell are you doing here posting your bull? This is, after all, the WP7 forum and not the Android nor WM6.5 forum.
As for your info, I've spent way too much time fooling around with WM6.5 on the HD2 "customizing", yet never able to get a stable OS nor get anything done on my phone due to it's laggard performance. Go and stay with your Android or WM...keep out of the WP7 forums and leave it to us who enjoy finally being able to use our phones the way it was meant to be used!!!!! You can just stay "down under mate"!

Addictive, yes... But I don't know why...
When I initially saw some youtube vids on wp7 I thought "YUK", how bloody boring and drab... But I've found the simplicity, usability and speed to be what attracts me...
I'll persevere with a shonky wp7 till the end of the year when my contract runs out and I go for a fully fledged wp7 phone...
I'm looking at the LG Optimus 7Q cause I miss my slide out qwerty, but I hope HTC has something similar by then...
Till then its HD2 + WP7 = Win!

I personally like and prefer android why because it has more to offer meaning apps,support,development,features and customization is off the charts!..now ive had my fun with windows 6.5 and im so glad cotulla and the guys where able to unlock the NAND for us and deliver these excellent OS's WindowsPhone7 right off the box was beautiful looking but it does honestly get boring aside from the fact that microsoft decided not include key features that would have made this OS awesome out of the ass lol..such as Multitasking which is something that is essential,a more open sdk/relationship with devs to bring more apps which equals appeal we are living in a time where APPS are what sell the phone basically or maybe thats just what i think..copy and paste feature this is another key thing..that microsoft decided to put off for an unknown reason which im kinda at a lost to understanding, theyre own proprietary software to load music as if we dont live in a fast paced life..not all people have Zune in their PCs i mean this OS is new we cant say much till later maybe in the near future all this will be fixed but many features that were offered in 6.5 were ignored completely only to be put back in later "revisions" Donut/Mango, Sure WP7 has a eye candy catch to it but at the end of the day can you really ask yourself, Does it deliver what we the end user needs?..in my opinion no. as for now ill stay Android

I agree that wp7 has got an addictive pull, I have done a similar thing, one day I will have wp7 only on my hd2, then I think nope I miss windows mobile and revert back to that, then after a day or so, I am convinced the only way to go is Android so nand flash that, then a few days later am back to wp7 believing this is the perfect operating system, only to be starting the while loop again.
My thoughts are we are spoilt for choice with the hd2, because it can run all these operating systems so very well.
My perfect setup, well for the next few days is wp7 with android on sd dual booting.
Sent from my HTC HD2

hjhjhj said:
I wouldn't quite say WP7 is additive...it's more usable and stable than WM6.5.5 for the HD2 for certain!!!
If you don't like WP7 what the hell are you doing here posting your bull? This is, after all, the WP7 forum and not the Android nor WM6.5 forum.
As for your info, I've spent way too much time fooling around with WM6.5 on the HD2 "customizing", yet never able to get a stable OS nor get anything done on my phone due to it's laggard performance. Go and stay with your Android or WM...keep out of the WP7 forums and leave it to us who enjoy finally being able to use our phones the way it was meant to be used!!!!! You can just stay "down under mate"!
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Hey genius, This may be a WP7 section But it is located within the HD2 Subforums. And the funny thing is I happen to have a HD2. I have looked at WP7 and I maintain that I find it BORING. Im sorry you came here expecting everyone to agree with your BORING point of view, but everyone is Different and the OP has expressly asked for peoples opinions, and not requested that only Microsoft fanbois post their banal opinions in this thread. So I will go on enjoying WM 6.5 and Android over WP7 and you can continue enjoy BORING things. Now rage away "mate."

ive tried wp7 and tbh i wasnt that impressed with it, yes it is fast but i didnt like the feel of it and the layout

argentocruz said:
Addictive, yes... But I don't know why...
When I initially saw some youtube vids on wp7 I thought "YUK", how bloody boring and drab... But I've found the simplicity, usability and speed to be what attracts me...
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I totally Agree with you and I also don't know why WP7 is addictive
hjhjhj said:
I wouldn't quite say WP7 is additive...it's more usable and stable than WM6.5.5 for the HD2 for certain!!!
If you don't like WP7 what the hell are you doing here posting your bull? This is, after all, the WP7 forum and not the Android nor WM6.5 forum.
As for your info, I've spent way too much time fooling around with WM6.5 on the HD2 "customizing", yet never able to get a stable OS nor get anything done on my phone due to it's laggard performance. Go and stay with your Android or WM...keep out of the WP7 forums and leave it to us who enjoy finally being able to use our phones the way it was meant to be used!!!!! You can just stay "down under mate"!
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hungry81 said:
Hey genius, This may be a WP7 section But it is located within the HD2 Subforums. And the funny thing is I happen to have a HD2. I have looked at WP7 and I maintain that I find it BORING. Im sorry you came here expecting everyone to agree with your BORING point of view, but everyone is Different and the OP has expressly asked for peoples opinions, and not requested that only Microsoft fanbois post their banal opinions in this thread. So I will go on enjoying WM 6.5 and Android over WP7 and you can continue enjoy BORING things. Now rage away "mate."
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It was not my intension to cause a fight in this thread, People vary in their likes and dislikes.
All three OS are great, and as THUDUK said, we are spoilt as HD2 can run the three OS well.
All I wanted is to see if other people share my feeelings toward WP7.
At the end thank you all for your opinions , we will continue to to have different opinions about everything in live otherwise companies will close down as people prefer only one product
Best regards

Most addictive, slickest, & cleanest OS, I've ever used! Also the most stable on my HD2. Love it! MUCH better than Android or winmo imo.
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I like WP7...
But apps are really slow in loading, scrolling is choppy and slow... (Just look at Facebook app and BoardExpress, other apps are the same but I forgot them because I've been using NANDroid permanently for a few months now.)
And there are a few important apps that are missing in WP7, namely GPS Navigation for my country, Malaysia.
If these issues are ironed out, I would be more than happy to switch to WP7 full time because the UI is just awesome!