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Hey all,
My buddy managed to get his hands on a Droid 2 while at the MAX conference this week. Unfortunately for him, we are in Canada. If I were to root his phone could I just use the Telus radio frequencies that I use for my milestone on it?
Thanks!
I forget which Canuckian carriers are which, but if you have a Milestone, then Telus would be GSM and the Droid 2 won't work at all. You'd need to use one of the CDMA-based carriers to even have a chance.
Next is provisioning...all the programming for your carrier. I am not sure if the current level of unlocked-ness allows for other carriers' provisioning or not...someone with more knowledge in that arena would have to chime in, but I am leaning toward no, as I have not seen any discussion about converting a D2 to work on Sprint, etc.
And even if that works, the carrier will determine how easy it is to get going. They may activate out of network ESNs with no fuss, or more likely they will not allow it, in which case you have to go more illegal routes, that IIRC are not even allowed to be discussed on here.
FWIW, I used a Droid Incredible in BC (Vancouver, Victoria, Whistler) this summer. Worked fine, for the most part. However, I have a Verizon account and paid for their Canada roaming and international data packages. So I did not work directly with any Canadian carrier. But at the basic technical level, the phone CAN work in Canada.
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Thanks guys ^^ I'll let my buddy know his phone is really just a android touch in Canada.
Hey all,
Instead of making a new thread, I figured I'd should just pull this one back since it's the same question.
I've been seeing talk about a droid 2 global. Is there now a way to make a droid 2 from the states work in canada?
Thanks
I'm trying to swap the esn of an old bell motorola v3m with that of a droid x, so I can make and receive calls on the bell network. I tried using cdma workshop with no success. I used motorola appeal setting and it said esn change was successful but apon reset the esn returned to normal.
ESNs are not accessible to write for most people. It usually requires highly guarded secrets ofthe carrier and manufacturer towrite.
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Hey guys, I'm thinking about ditching the AT&T and switching to Verizon when Bionic comes out.
have some questions, maybe you guys can help me get answers to them =)
How locked is the Verizon's Droid? Have you tried unlocking it to use with other providers in another country?
When phone is bootloader unlocked/rooted, can it be reverted back for warranty purposes?
$1000000 question: can you tether with regular unlimited plan? With/without dev hacks?
Thank you!
The original Droid is fair game. I'm assuming you mean the newer ones, though. They all have locked bootloaders and can't get new kernels without MOTO. Any world phone can connect to gsm towers, foreign and domestic. It's a matter of software determining which technology to use. If the phone isn't "global" it's cdma only.
You can perform a stock reset by loading a file called SBF. It's basically an image of a phone from the factory.
You can tether without voiding your warranty, but you will violate your Verizon ToS. You can wirelessly tether by rooting your phone or hacking the stock tether app. Read around and you'll find this is all very simple.I
zehkaiser said:
The original Droid is fair game. I'm assuming you mean the newer ones, though. They all have locked bootloaders and can't get new kernels without MOTO. Any world phone can connect to gsm towers, foreign and domestic. It's a matter of software determining which technology to use. If the phone isn't "global" it's cdma only.
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Thanks for the reply.
To rephrase the question, can I unlock my Droid to run on a different LTE/CDMA provider? I know verizon doesn't give the unlock codes like ATT does, but I'm pretty sure there must be a way to make it run with different providers, obviously without roaming.
If we are talking about Droid 1, yes you can "unlock" it, by rooting, flashing recovey, SPL and bootloader. There are guides on how to do this very easily.
Afterwards, you can go ahead and program it with whatever carrier values you want to be with and asking them to allow the ESN/MEID on their network; some will do it for a small fee others not.
But if we are talking about the Droid 2 and Droid X, the bootloaders haven't been able to be cracked, therefore operating them in different carriers has proven to be a very difficult task.
You are able to program them, to make the phone work, and most probably the 1X internet service which is like EDGE on GSM.
I have heard there are ways you can flash it to Cricket and it can work at 100%, but take me for example, I have stored Droid X I can't use because I cannot make the 3G to work as long as the bootloader is locked.
Hope it helps!
Nope. The only other CDMA carrier is Sprint, and it doesn't work. LTE we will probably have to wail and see, but I dont think any other carriers have a LTE network as of now
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If we are talking about Droid 1, yes you can "unlock" it, by rooting, flashing recovey, SPL and bootloader. There are guides on how to do this very easily.
Afterwards, you can go ahead and program it with whatever carrier values you want to be with and asking them to allow the ESN/MEID on their network; some will do it for a small fee others not.
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Hope it helps!
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Thanks for the info!
I'm used to unlocking/flashing phones with tools provided by xda community, and although not a phone hacker myself, never had problems with unlocking them.
I'm just trying to forsee what are the chances that Droid Bionic (which is my reason for switching to VZW) will be unlockable/flashable.
It surprises me that, as you say, latest Droids' bootloader is locked. I can't believe xda talents didn't find a way to unlock/root/reflash it
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The only other CDMA carrier is Sprint
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There are other countries in the world, you know
DarkDvr said:
There are other countries in the world, you know
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This is true! I have seen people flash the X to Cricket, but haven't heard of anyone bringing it to sprint....
To answer your other questions:
1.How locked is the Verizon's Droid? Have you tried unlocking it to use with other providers in another country?
ANSWER: While the X cannot be unlocked (not a global phone...) the Droid 2 Global, and the Droid Pro have both been unlocked to be used on other networks (GSM only I believe). This is a recent development from Team Black Hat (+10000 to them).
2.When phone is bootloader unlocked/rooted, can it be reverted back for warranty purposes?
ANSWER: as stated above... the only Motorola phone with an unlocked bootloader is the original Droid. Phones such as the HTC Droid Incredible have an unlocked bootloader, and can run custom kernals and the like.
3.$1000000 question: can you tether with regular unlimited plan? With/without dev hacks?
Answer: Yes, you can tether with the regular unlimited plan. This requires rooting the phone, if you wish to use such tether modes such as Wireless Tether for root (which now runs in infrastructure mode...). Team Black Hat has also released an update.zip that allows you to run Verizon's Wireless Hotspot app without incurring the $20 a month fee that goes along with it.
So there are some hacks required to get tethering... but if you want free tethering....its definitely worth it.
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It surprises me that, as you say, latest Droids' bootloader is locked. I can't believe xda talents didn't find a way to unlock/root/reflash it
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XDA's great minds are currently working on it! The obstacle is that Motorola is using a hefty 2048 bit encryption key, which to my knowledge, I do not believe that a 2048 bit encryption key has been broken for any use so far...
To continue.. Aliasxerog over on twitter is currently working with kexec (or was a little while ago) which allowed to pass a 2nd init process on to the boot process for linux operating systems. I believe for now, he may have moved away from kexec, and is just working on a different init for the X.
I suggest following him on twitter for any progress on this. Also check out P3Droid, and CellZealot for development.
If you are looking for themes, check out Bignadad on Twitter... as he is the king in my opinion... Does the best work I have seen.
Thanks for great replies guys.
I don't own X, nor do I really plan to, I'm just using it as a reference to predict what kind of unlocking/flashing (if any) will be available for Droid Bionic, which I do want to get.
I never owned motorola (only Samsung and HTC) PDAs, so trying to test the waters before I jump in..
Leaving ATT because of their crappy network? Don't blame you.
If you're leaving just for the Bionic, the Atrix (ATT Only) appears to be the same phone, except the Atrix can dock into a "laptop" ("laptop" because the device is useless without the phone). Depending on how much the "laptop" dock costs, and depending on how often you travel away from home, it could be a pretty sweet combo.
With the bionic only having 512 MB of RAM, I'm definitely jealous of the Atrix. I probably wouldn't ever leave VZW though.
Looking at the specs the Bionic appears to be a BIG let down!!! With VZW supposedly having the"best" Motorola products in the droid line up the Atrix is a much better device than the Bionic & HTC's ThunderBolt seems to be in a league of it's own!!!
Now that VZW has changed the game getting the iPhone let's see what Apple & VZW come up with for the 4G LTE iPhone (better be more impressive than Motorola & the Bionic)
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The only difference between the Bionic and the Atrix 4g is the ram. The Bionic has a larger screen and is using toned down blur vs. full on blur. So I wouldn't call the Bionic a let down. I also wouldn't be surprised if [email protected] blocked the Atrix from sideloading apps.
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Leaving ATT because of their crappy network? Don't blame you.
If you're leaving just for the Bionic, the Atrix (ATT Only) appears to be the same phone, except the Atrix can dock into a "laptop" ("laptop" because the device is useless without the phone). Depending on how much the "laptop" dock costs, and depending on how often you travel away from home, it could be a pretty sweet combo.
With the bionic only having 512 MB of RAM, I'm definitely jealous of the Atrix. I probably wouldn't ever leave VZW though.
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Yeah I'm aware of the Atrix.. and it's still a good option for me.
However, it has 5MP camera VS Bionic's 8MP, and 4" screen vs Bionic's 4.3".
Two things that I actually like and use =(
DVS69 said:
Looking at the specs the Bionic appears to be a BIG let down!!! With VZW supposedly having the"best" Motorola products in the droid line up the Atrix is a much better device than the Bionic & HTC's ThunderBolt seems to be in a league of it's own!!!
Now that VZW has changed the game getting the iPhone let's see what Apple & VZW come up with for the 4G LTE iPhone (better be more impressive than Motorola & the Bionic)
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Sorry, but I completely disagree. Bionic is, imo, the best among the three, closely followed by Atrix. Thunderbolt is kinda bad.
Look here for full comparison: http://www.phonearena.com/phones/co...-BIONIC,HTC-ThunderBolt/phones/4982,5122,4985
Notice the now crappy and underwhelming 480x800 screen res, a ****ty 1400MAH battery and a standard 1GHzz Snapdragon. Thunderbold is a whole generation below Atrix and Bionic. Also much-lower 8GB storage, NO HDMI port... The only thing it has going for it is 1.3MP front camera.
Bionic, imo, is the best here. Imo, there isn't really much difference between half-gig ram and gig ram, from user's perspective. Can't imagine filling that up on a cell phone.
On the other hand, Bionic provides 8MP camera and 4.3" screen. The only thing that scares me is the "SGPS", which is a non-Assisted GPS, as I understand it. Unless info is wrong.
Just my thoughts, don't mean to start a spec war here.
I searched as much as i could and im just real unsure on which information to trust. I have a Milestone X2 (droid x2) that i want to use on a verizon plan. The service provider i had used verizon towers and i just wanted to know if i needed to do anything to the phone before trying to have it switched on until my razr gets back from being fixed. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated since i am new to all this and have no idea what im doing. Someone told me i had to jailbreak it or something and i was like ummm ok
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Are you saying that you're on VZ with the RAZR now and want to use an old non-VZ phone as a stop gap?
Call them and see if the ESN is in their database.
You can check a Verizon ESN here:
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/estore/certifieddevice/cd
If something doesn't come up saying you're fine, call anyways, to confirm...
Help the Moto Maxx (XT1225) get it's own forum section!
The Moto Maxx is the international variant of the Droid Turbo but differently from other phones variations, the Moto Maxx has many things that set it apart from the Turbo.
Connectivity is one, for example. The Turbo is CDMA based, since it's from Verizon and the MAXX is an International all-rounder. Don't even make me talk about the name, it doesn't even
look remotely the same. THEY ARE DIFFERENT and they deserve to be treated like so.
Reply and vote if you agree! Let's make this, fellow MAXX users.
-Jvov
If the moto maxx is an all rounder wouldn't that male the hardware exactly the same in the turbo? I take this as good news because I want to switch networks eventually.
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Just the fact that one is a CDMA phone while the other is GSM is problematic. One is unlocked, the other is not. There will be different methods used in order to unlock the bootloader and root for each device. Some files will be ok to flash on one but death on the other and vice versa, read about the various bricks between the Find 7 and Find 7a if you want to learn how this happens. They do not have the same stock software payload and will require different roms which will get confused with one another and problems will happen because some people cant be bothered to follow simple instructions.
You can by the way make this request in the request thread up in general. I did.
The Moto Maxx XT1225 is just more dev-friendly than the Droid Turbo. It deserves its own section.
Jvov said:
Help the Moto Maxx (XT1225) get it's own forum section!
The Moto Maxx is the international variant of the Droid Turbo but differently from other phones variations, the Moto Maxx has many things that set it apart from the Turbo.
Connectivity is one, for example. The Turbo is CDMA based, since it's from Verizon and the MAXX is an International all-rounder. Don't even make me talk about the name, it doesn't even
look remotely the same. THEY ARE DIFFERENT and they deserve to be treated like so.
Reply and vote if you agree! Let's make this, fellow MAXX users.
-Jvov
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Wouldn't be easier to PM some forum moderator and ask for a different thread?.
There are many other phones that are carrier-exclusive that have their own section/forum.
Why not maxx/droid turbo?
I think new forum should be great
Jvov said:
Help the Moto Maxx (XT1225) get it's own forum section!
The Moto Maxx is the international variant of the Droid Turbo but differently from other phones variations, the Moto Maxx has many things that set it apart from the Turbo.
Connectivity is one, for example. The Turbo is CDMA based, since it's from Verizon and the MAXX is an International all-rounder. Don't even make me talk about the name, it doesn't even
look remotely the same. THEY ARE DIFFERENT and they deserve to be treated like so.
Reply and vote if you agree! Let's make this, fellow MAXX users.
-Jvov
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Just the fact that one is a CDMA phone while the other is GSM is problematic. One is unlocked, the other is not. There will be different methods used in order to unlock the bootloader and root for each device. Some files will be ok to flash on one but death on the other and vice versa, read about the various bricks between the Find 7 and Find 7a if you want to learn how this happens. They do not have the same stock software payload and will require different roms which will get confused with one another and problems will happen because some people cant be bothered to follow simple instructions.
You can by the way make this request in the request thread up in general. I did.
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Who says that the Turbo is CDMA? I have a Verizon Turbo and use it in Germany with Vodafone GSM, G3, H+ and LTE without any problems.
Cheers
Lyson said:
Who says that the Turbo is CDMA? I have a Verizon Turbo and use it in Germany with Vodafone GSM, G3, H+ and LTE without any problems.
Cheers
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I think they meant to say that is CDMA based, as well as Verizon network is, but Turbo still has support for GSM, and if the bands are correct, it can have LTE also in other places.
I believe we should get our own forum, but not right now.
We still share many things. We have so little content that many of our posts in the general section should be in the Q&A or at the Original Dev, but we don't produce that much content.
I'd rather have one or 2 sub forums here differentiating. the Original Dev, for example, should be split in 2, one for each.
Having at least a couple of sub-forums would help a lot finding and sharing content.
I still don't own a Moto Maxx but it will sure be my next device and I'll surely unlock its bootloader.
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Who says that the Turbo is CDMA? I have a Verizon Turbo and use it in Germany with Vodafone GSM, G3, H+ and LTE without any problems.
Cheers
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Here in the states phone variants designed to run on CDMA networks are called CDMA phones, phones designed to run on GSM networks are called GSM phones. Nowadays of course the terms don't have the meaning they once did when a phone either was one or the other and did not possess broad multi frequency support but the terms still carry forward to denote variants built for either one network type or the other. In the states only on Verizon can you get full carrier support with the turbo, on any other network you will at times lose LTE depending on which carrier you use it on.
The importance here is that these phones will diverge in their development. Like it or not the vast majority of all Turbos sold will be used on the largest CDMA network in the world, Verizon, which is also the most intrusive and meddling carrier in the US and that alone means all these users will face problems particular to that network one of which is a locked bootloader. Whatever process sees that bootloader unlocked will be very different than simply going to Motorolas website as Maxx users will do. The recovery will be different, the roms will be different, etc.
As I said, you need only go to the Find 7 forums to see what happens when two every similar but different phones share the same forum. Users flash the wrong modems, the wrong recoveries, the wrong roms, the wrong frameworks, its a long list. In truth this could be overcome with ease simply by users employing common sense and reading before they act but the reality is many many people come to this site green and then flash without understanding that one little letter in a name can mean the phone isn't going to boot up. Then you get all the help me I bricked my phone, I'm in infinite boot loop, and so on posts. People usually find their way clear of whatever mistake they made but not all do, some learn the lesson the expensive way.
IMO its better to at least split the development sections and rename the sub forum something on the lines of Droid Turbo/Moto Maxx forum. There will be less problems and it's been done here before when this situation came up. I'm just an old man though and maybe overly cautious...
So theoretically speaking according the stats of the supported bands the droid turbo rooted and unlocked would be a better phone to have then the moto maxx?
It appears turbo has all the bands the maxx has AND more...
This being said, if the turbo gets its boot loader unlocked its a more versatile phone to own in terms of supported bands and network capabilities.
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ccheww said:
So theoretically speaking according the stats of the supported bands the droid turbo rooted and unlocked would be a better phone to have then the moto maxx?
It appears turbo has all the bands the maxx has AND more...
This being said, if the turbo gets its boot loader unlocked its a more versatile phone to own in terms of supported bands and network capabilities.
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Theoretically and In paper, yes, it would be a more reliable phone.
ccheww said:
So theoretically speaking according the stats of the supported bands the droid turbo rooted and unlocked would be a better phone to have then the moto maxx?
It appears turbo has all the bands the maxx has AND more...
This being said, if the turbo gets its boot loader unlocked its a more versatile phone to own in terms of supported bands and network capabilities.
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Here is (from the FCC filings) the Droid, LTE bands 2/3/4/7/13 and the Maxx, LTE bands 2/4/5/7/17 so not the same and not more. The 3G isn't significant because almost everywhere either one is going to work. This means neither is better for any one person, which one will be depends on which carrier you employ in your home area, not the hardware. I say this because almost no phone will have 100% coverage (if a carrier is using a freq your phone has it) for more than 1 or 2 networks in any given area. In the states for instance the Droid has this on Verizon but no where else and the Maxx has it on AT&T but not any other carrier. If you for example use either on Tmo you will sometimes be without LTE because TMO is not fully covered by either phone.
Once you have the best phone for the carrier of choice at home you usually have a choice of several carriers when abroad so you simply get a pre-paid sim on one that supports your phone the best or is cheapest depending on what you want. I usually just go cheap since 3G is fine for short periods when a good savings can be had on a pre-paid which often vary wildly in price depending on various sales and promotions.
I don't see one being better than the other in theory and with the hardware being a push and user needs dependent the differentiation that stands out is the bootloader. One can be unlocked now, one cannot. I don't consider the small bit of bloat on the Droid a factor since it can be easily gone around.
Check this out and request here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1660354&page=1645
Droid Razr for CDMA and international shared the same forum section and the development for both phones was fantastic. I think it was because they shared the page that the CDMA development was kept alive. No I don't think they should have separate forums, but that is my opinion.
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Check this out and request here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1660354&page=1645
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Thanks
+1 please
there will be forum when it gets released on att and tmobile.