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CDMA Nexus One

So the Google Nexus One site says there is a Verizon Nexus One coming in the spring. Does that mean if we buy the unlocked version we will be able to use it on Sprint or are there some frequency issues to worry about?

Historically, Sprint only allows Sprint-sold phones on their network. They whitelist the serial numbers.

If you watched the press release, it will not be a "Verizon Nexus One". It is a spot in the "Google Phone Store" for the Droid and Future Android Handsets. Verizon simply doesn't support GSM, given they have a Global Blackberry or two.

Kcarpenter said:
If you watched the press release, it will not be a "Verizon Nexus One". It is a spot in the "Google Phone Store" for the Droid and Future Android Handsets. Verizon simply doesn't support GSM, given they have a Global Blackberry or two.
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Looks like it is coming to Verizon to me:
https://www.google.com/phone/choose?locale=en_US&s7e=

Rootwind said:
Looks like it is coming to Verizon to me:
https://www.google.com/phone/choose?locale=en_US&s7e=
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I'll go back later and find the text from the live blog that gdgt had going. I am 98% sure they specifically say Morotorla Droid. Hard to make a GSM phone run on a CDMA network. The Global phones typically have 2 radios for that reason.
But then again, I maybe wrong. We do have a CDMA Hero.

Maybe i was wrong. Looked at the Tech specs and saw:
GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
Says it has an Edge radio....Nifty I guess...to bad I despise Verizon with every fiber of my being.

Edge is GSM. Verizon uses EVDO like Sprint (in fact Sprint roams on Verizon). The Verizon Nexus One will be a different model for CDMA, like the GSM and CDMA Hero. If you're going to hate, hate Sprint for not allowing outside devices to be activated on their network. They're forcing device lock-in, and inhibiting competition. I also despise Verizon with every fiber of my being.

From http://www.google.com/support/android/bin/answer.py?answer=166507:
We are working hard to provide Nexus One phones optimized for the Verizon network - please stay tuned. The Nexus One for Verizon will not be a GSM device, so it will not be compatible with T-Mobile, AT&T, or other GSM networks.
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cmccracken said:
Edge is GSM. Verizon uses EVDO like Sprint (in fact Sprint roams on Verizon). The Verizon Nexus One will be a different model for CDMA, like the GSM and CDMA Hero. If you're going to hate, hate Sprint for not allowing outside devices to be activated on their network. They're forcing device lock-in, and inhibiting competition. I also despise Verizon with every fiber of my being.
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Sadly this is how Free Markets function. Then again, I make good money because of it. Not to start a political debate.

Read this Tweet from HTC source...
http://twitter.com/HTCSource/status/7412954126
Summary, 2.1 posibly not coming for 1st Gen phones due to 3D issues

Looks to me like some hardware will be getting swapped come springtime. I would imagine they'll try to keep the form factor as similar as possible, and just put a CDMA radio in the body. Hello CDMA Nexus One. Now, the question really would be, will Sprint allow it on their network? Seems unlikely at first, but possible.
Hey, Motorola did it with the Droid/Milestone (same form factor vs. the different designs of the Hero), so who's to say there isn't a CDMA Nexus One in the works by HTC?

daveli said:
Read this Tweet from HTC source...
http://twitter.com/HTCSource/status/7412954126
Summary, 2.1 posibly not coming for 1st Gen phones due to 3D issues
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Does the Sprint Hero count as a 1st Gen phone? Or are they mostly talking about the G1?
That would suck if we didn't get the update.

alexthearmo said:
Does the Sprint Hero count as a 1st Gen phone? Or are they mostly talking about the G1?
That would suck if we didn't get the update.
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I am not going to say YES I'm completely sure, but it concerns me that we have the same processor (ARM 11 528 MHz) as the G1 (the definite 1st gen device)
It's not looking very promising..

daveli said:
I am not going to say YES I'm completely sure, but it concerns me that we have the same processor (ARM 11 528 MHz) as the G1 (the definite 1st gen device)
It's not looking very promising..
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The Hero is most definitely a first gen device. The 2nd gen devices are the ones with 2.x already and the ones with the OMAP from Droid or the Snapdragon. We just don't have the processing power.

HTC has already confirmed that we are getting 2.1. twitter.com/HTCSource is NOT an official HTC account.
Originally Posted by twitter.com/htc
Anybody notice the clarification from @sprint? Hero on Sprint will not be getting 2.0...it will get 2.1
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cmccracken said:
twitter.com/HTCSource is NOT an official HTC account.
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That's a very good point

I sure do hope Sprint allows this device to be used on their network...I think it would be a huge mistake if they didn't...I really want this device...I think it can be a definite competitor of the iPhone...

Diplomat2387 said:
I sure do hope Sprint allows this device to be used on their network.
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Don't hold your breath, they've never done it before. It would be a major shift in strategy for them. They even blacklist serial numbers of their own phones once they've been reported lost or stolen. Those serial numbers can never again be activated on the Sprint network. I see no reason why they would change policy and undercut their own handset sales to momentarily win a continuous "who's newest" cat and mouse game.

All i care about is that 3.7inch screen and that 1ghz snapdragon processor..and once it comes out for verizon the folks at mobile dot files are likely to find meid/esn solutions for it since its an htc device

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meid/esn solutions
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I'm not going there...
Plus, you can't get TEP (or whatever Sprint calls their insurance these days) on a non-Sprint phone. TEP was a big selling point for me to go with the Hero (and Sprint) vs. the iPhone, as I came from a rubber-encapsulated "dumb" phone. I can't believe I even considered the iPhone, sigh.

Using a droid 2 in Canada?

Hey all,
My buddy managed to get his hands on a Droid 2 while at the MAX conference this week. Unfortunately for him, we are in Canada. If I were to root his phone could I just use the Telus radio frequencies that I use for my milestone on it?
Thanks!

I forget which Canuckian carriers are which, but if you have a Milestone, then Telus would be GSM and the Droid 2 won't work at all. You'd need to use one of the CDMA-based carriers to even have a chance.
Next is provisioning...all the programming for your carrier. I am not sure if the current level of unlocked-ness allows for other carriers' provisioning or not...someone with more knowledge in that arena would have to chime in, but I am leaning toward no, as I have not seen any discussion about converting a D2 to work on Sprint, etc.
And even if that works, the carrier will determine how easy it is to get going. They may activate out of network ESNs with no fuss, or more likely they will not allow it, in which case you have to go more illegal routes, that IIRC are not even allowed to be discussed on here.

FWIW, I used a Droid Incredible in BC (Vancouver, Victoria, Whistler) this summer. Worked fine, for the most part. However, I have a Verizon account and paid for their Canada roaming and international data packages. So I did not work directly with any Canadian carrier. But at the basic technical level, the phone CAN work in Canada.
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Thanks guys ^^ I'll let my buddy know his phone is really just a android touch in Canada.

Hey all,
Instead of making a new thread, I figured I'd should just pull this one back since it's the same question.
I've been seeing talk about a droid 2 global. Is there now a way to make a droid 2 from the states work in canada?
Thanks

M on AT&T/StraightTalk, GSM Frequencies, Verizon blocks?

I've heard that Verizon phones, though "global" are locked from the US GSM frequencies.
I'm considering getting a Razr M and using it on StraightTalk AT&T or T-Mobile prepaid.
It appears the frequencies should be fine. 850/1900 UMTS/HSPA + GSM.
Anyone have any thoughts on that?
I'll need to trim the SIM down to MicroSIM size, and get the phone unlocked, but besides that...?

rancur3p1c said:
I've heard that Verizon phones, though "global" are locked from the US GSM frequencies.
I'm considering getting a Razr M and using it on StraightTalk AT&T or T-Mobile prepaid.
It appears the frequencies should be fine. 850/1900 UMTS/HSPA + GSM.
Anyone have any thoughts on that?
I'll need to trim the SIM down to MicroSIM size, and get the phone unlocked, but besides that...?
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Just get the RAZR i.
-Sent from my Razr i on AT&T.-

phositadc said:
Just get the RAZR i.
-Sent from my Razr i on AT&T.-
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Well it's an atom processor not A15, lower graphics performance by far, less apps in the market and can't get it in White.

See my post on your question in the Q&A board, and posts 18 and 19 in this thread.

freak4dell said:
See my post on your question in the Q&A board, and posts 18 and 19 in this thread.
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Righto-,thanks. I read somewhere else (maybe it was you?) that the NV settings in the radio block MNC 230 (tmo) and 150 (at&t). There was a guy who had looked all through them and couldn't find where it was happening.
Is this MNC blocking something that would be remedied by buying the Austrailian version? I want an A15 CPU + GPU not the Atom one, simply because I like sticking it to Intel, and because I like the white phone not the black one.
Does the developer edition work with AT&T/T-mobile? Maybe I'll just buy that. This phone certainly is slick. I hope whatever fix we get will let us keep the stock ROM, always a bit more exciting (and stable it seems, usually) to me than CM(X)

rancur3p1c said:
Righto-,thanks. I read somewhere else (maybe it was you?) that the NV settings in the radio block MNC 230 (tmo) and 150 (at&t). There was a guy who had looked all through them and couldn't find where it was happening.
Is this MNC blocking something that would be remedied by buying the Austrailian version? I want an A15 CPU + GPU not the Atom one, simply because I like sticking it to Intel, and because I like the white phone not the black one.
Does the developer edition work with AT&T/T-mobile? Maybe I'll just buy that. This phone certainly is slick. I hope whatever fix we get will let us keep the stock ROM, always a bit more exciting (and stable it seems, usually) to me than CM(X)
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As far as I know, the Australian one will work just fine with AT&T or T-Mobile (no 3G on T-Mobile unless you're in a refarmed area, though). Worst case, it's locked to Australian bands, and you need to get an unlock code to make it work internationally. The reason the Verizon ones are locked for US bands is because Verizon doesn't want you buying their phone and then switching to their competition. Telstra obviously doesn't have the same problem, since they're not competing with AT&T or T-Mobile. Of course, what I'm saying isn't guaranteed to be true, since I don't have an Australian M myself (but I'm trying to decide whether to import that one or the RAZR i). I'm like 99% confident you wouldn't have any issues, though.
The developer edition does not work on AT&T or T-Mobile, either. We should be able to keep the stock ROM. That's how it worked on my Droid Pro and other Verizon Motorola world phones. We just flashed a file that modified the baseband. There was even a file to flash that would return the baseband to stock. ROM flashes didn't affect the baseband once it was modified.
What I'm wondering is if it may just be possible to take the Australian radio and flash it to the Verizon M to make it work on our GSM networks. That would pretty much disable the CDMA radios, but we wouldn't need them anyway. I think some of the previous phones have gotten around the band lock by flashing a Chinese radio, so it seems like the same concept could be used here. I'm nowhere near smart enough to know how to do any of this, though. All we can do at this point (well, me anyway) is just let Team Black Hat and other Motorola developers know that we are patiently waiting for a solution.

Looks like I wasn't far off with my hypothesis. If the community can provide the radio image, we should know pretty soon whether it would work on the M or not.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=33850862&postcount=11

And it's been done:
https://twitter.com/P3Droid/status/266727420718108674
https://twitter.com/P3Droid/status/266732294000242689
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVmmx5Kh7pw&feature=youtu.be
This is on the Dev Edition.

freak4dell said:
And it's been done:
https://twitter.com/P3Droid/status/266727420718108674
https://twitter.com/P3Droid/status/266732294000242689
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVmmx5Kh7pw&feature=youtu.be
This is on the Dev Edition.
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It also works on the stock unrooted and unlocked Dev device so it should work fine on the stock locked bootloader devices.
Right now it appears to break eHRPD authentication when using a VZW LTE SIM with AU radio image. GSM service is fully functional with no modifications except the AU radio.

cellzealot said:
It also works on the stock unrooted and unlocked Dev device so it should work fine on the stock locked bootloader devices.
Right now it appears to break eHRPD authentication when using a VZW LTE SIM with AU radio image. GSM service is fully functional with no modifications except the AU radio.
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Well then...that pretty much settles it. I will be buying a Verizon RAZR M...Dev Edition if I can find one for a good price, or if not, a regular one. I hate that Verizon logo, but I'll save a couple hundred dollars by just dealing with it.

freak4dell said:
Well then...that pretty much settles it. I will be buying a Verizon RAZR M...Dev Edition if I can find one for a good price, or if not, a regular one. I hate that Verizon logo, but I'll save a couple hundred dollars by just dealing with it.
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I've been searching for a way to buy this awesome phone in a *truly unlocked* state (bootloader + carrier), and it seemed to be, before now, that my best option was to get the australian one (it also doesn't have the ugly verizon logo on the front But, it's very hard to get it from here in the US, so getting the verizon dev edition and reflash the radio may be better. I'm currently with T-mobile, yes I know about the refarm ... I'll deal with that.
So, does anybody have a link for said radio image? freak4dell, have you gotten yours and tried to flash the radio?
Thanks, you guys are awesome!
(noob alert: I am an experience desktop/embedded developer, but I have never messed with cellphones before, although it's been a while that I want to start...)

aslomagic said:
I've been searching for a way to buy this awesome phone in a *truly unlocked* state (bootloader + carrier), and it seemed to be, before now, that my best option was to get the australian one (it also doesn't have the ugly verizon logo on the front But, it's very hard to get it from here in the US, so getting the verizon dev edition and reflash the radio may be better. I'm currently with T-mobile, yes I know about the refarm ... I'll deal with that.
So, does anybody have a link for said radio image? freak4dell, have you gotten yours and tried to flash the radio?
Thanks, you guys are awesome!
(noob alert: I am an experience desktop/embedded developer, but I have never messed with cellphones before, although it's been a while that I want to start...)
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Nope, haven't gotten mine. I'm out of the country until mid-December, so I won't be able to get my hands on one until then anyway. I am keeping an eye out for deals, though, so that if I see a good price, I can buy it and have it waiting for me.

freak4dell said:
Nope, haven't gotten mine. I'm out of the country until mid-December, so I won't be able to get my hands on one until then anyway. I am keeping an eye out for deals, though, so that if I see a good price, I can buy it and have it waiting for me.
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Let me know if you find a good deal (actually, any deal at all) for non-verizon razr m! I've also been looking on australian ebay, there are a few auctions for the telstra razr m, but they don't ship overseas...
But back to topic: are the image files in these two following posts any good to flash the radio, or do I need anything else, like a complete telstra fastboot image, or something like that (re-noob-alert: I'm a dev, but I've never messed with phones before):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=33867978&postcount=30
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=33871175&postcount=33
Also, these being "official" and probably signed radios (at least I hope they are), do I need to unlock the bootloader to flash them?
Note: I haven't gotten any phone yet, just gathering all the pieces together before dropping the cash
Thanks anyone!

aslomagic said:
Let me know if you find a good deal (actually, any deal at all) for non-verizon razr m! I've also been looking on australian ebay, there are a few auctions for the telstra razr m, but they don't ship overseas...
But back to topic: are the image files in these two following posts any good to flash the radio, or do I need anything else, like a complete telstra fastboot image, or something like that (re-noob-alert: I'm a dev, but I've never messed with phones before):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=33867978&postcount=30
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=33871175&postcount=33
Also, these being "official" and probably signed radios (at least I hope they are), do I need to unlock the bootloader to flash them?
Note: I haven't gotten any phone yet, just gathering all the pieces together before dropping the cash
Thanks anyone!
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I will let you know if I see anything, but if I find a one-time deal, I'm grabbing it for myself. I wish I knew someone in Australia that could ship to me.

freak4dell said:
I will let you know if I see anything, but if I find a one-time deal, I'm grabbing it for myself. I wish I knew someone in Australia that could ship to me.
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No need, I just ordered my razr m developer edition from motorola.com We'll see how fast I can void my warranty
Speaking of which: do I need to unlock the bootloader (and void the warranty) to flash the radio? My understanding is that, since it's signed by the manufacturer, it should work without unlocking the bootloader. That way I can use the phone for a while and return it if it has any problems. Does anybody know?

[RESOLVED] Kyocera Torque - Does It Support GSM Networks?

Ever since my Samsung Rugby Smart... broke (don't ask how)... I have been on the hunt for a different rugged Android that comes with a relatively low price tag that supports T-Mobile either natively or through carrier unlocking. Recently the Kyocera Torque caught my eye at a Sprint store. The specifications of the phone were pleasing to me, and I saw listed on sites like eBay that a used condition Torque would be going for around 70-80 bucks. While talking to a Spint representative, pretending I was actually going to buy the phone and/or a Sprint plan, I asked him if the Torque had a SIM card slot and if it was compatible with GSM networks, such as T-Mobile (my actual carrier). He confidently gave a YES to both of my questions (he also said that in order for the phone to become unlocked, I'd need to use Sprint for 2 years and then cancel the plan and request phone unlock-age through them. No way I am getting Sprint for 2 years just for a Torque to be unlocked. Besides, there are unlocking websites which claim they will unlock this phone. Also, he probably assumed I was going to buy the phone from Sprint themselves. No way I'd ever do that! XD )
Here's where the confusion comes in. When I look online at phone specification websites like GSMArena, it states that the phone is NOT COMPATIBLE with GSM networks, and has a NON-REMOVABLE SIM card.
I am getting two different answers and I don't know which one to believe. If anyone knows the TRUE answer to this SIM card slot and GSM network compatibility conundrum, I would appreciate that they share the answer. I am excited about this phone, and if it really does support USA domestic GSM networks and all that, then I'd be buying this phone very soon.
Oh, and one more thing. Besides compatibility with GSM Networks, if this phone does support GSM, I'd also like to know if it supports high-speed data such as GPRS, HSPA, or anything like that. I have an HTC Rezound right now, and while it does support GSM Networks, it only gets 2G (EDGE) through T-Mobile. So support of 3G, and possibly beyond that, is another main factor that I would like to know about the Kyocera Torque, as it is actually one of the main reasons why I'm looking for an upgrade.

interesting

I talked to the Sprint guy again, and he took the phone apart and showed me the SIM slot. It was a Micro SIM I believe (the size right below Mini). The guy said it would work on international GSM networks, but if it was fitted with a SIM card for a United States GSM network, it would just say the phone is network-locked.
I guess the question is now this: is there a hack to "allow" or "force" the Torque to work with US GSM networks, similar to the hack for the Motorola Photon 4G (another phone I am looking into buying) that allows it to do just that?
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jasonmerc said:
I guess the question is now this: is there a hack to "allow" or "force" the Torque to work with US GSM networks, similar to the hack for the Motorola Photon 4G (another phone I am looking into buying) that allows it to do just that?
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nope. and best to just avoid kyocera phones completely. kyocera is a turd of a company. they lock down the bootloader and never issue major updates. for example, the torque won't ever see kitkat. and since they lock the bootloader, you can't install a custom recovery, or a 3rd party rom.

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x000x said:
nope. and best to just avoid kyocera phones completely. kyocera is a turd of a company. they lock down the bootloader and never issue major updates. for example, the torque won't ever see kitkat. and since they lock the bootloader, you can't install a custom recovery, or a 3rd party rom.
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Thanks for the heads up about Kyocera being a locked bootloader turd of a company XD. Now I'll be sure to avoid them in the future. No longer interested in the Hydro Life anyway, got an LG L90 for $48 and have CM11 on it already
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Interesting thing about the torque, it is one of sprints few water resistant phones, and also has the loudest speaker phone they make in my opinion. I just bought one as a spare phone for $50. Great to keep by the pool.

cfclay said:
Interesting thing about the torque, it is one of sprints few water resistant phones, and also has the loudest speaker phone they make in my opinion. I just bought one as a spare phone for $50. Great to keep by the pool.
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yeah, it is a nice phone... except for their stubbornness about completely locking the device down. if they would actually make an effort to keep their phones updated i would not complain about it too much. but the fact that they lock it down AND never keep the phone updated beyond minor things is inexcusable.

Moto Maxx's own Forum Section

Help the Moto Maxx (XT1225) get it's own forum section!​
The Moto Maxx is the international variant of the Droid Turbo but differently from other phones variations, the Moto Maxx has many things that set it apart from the Turbo.
Connectivity is one, for example. The Turbo is CDMA based, since it's from Verizon and the MAXX is an International all-rounder. Don't even make me talk about the name, it doesn't even
look remotely the same. THEY ARE DIFFERENT and they deserve to be treated like so.
Reply and vote if you agree! Let's make this, fellow MAXX users.
-Jvov

If the moto maxx is an all rounder wouldn't that male the hardware exactly the same in the turbo? I take this as good news because I want to switch networks eventually.
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Just the fact that one is a CDMA phone while the other is GSM is problematic. One is unlocked, the other is not. There will be different methods used in order to unlock the bootloader and root for each device. Some files will be ok to flash on one but death on the other and vice versa, read about the various bricks between the Find 7 and Find 7a if you want to learn how this happens. They do not have the same stock software payload and will require different roms which will get confused with one another and problems will happen because some people cant be bothered to follow simple instructions.
You can by the way make this request in the request thread up in general. I did.

The Moto Maxx XT1225 is just more dev-friendly than the Droid Turbo. It deserves its own section.

Jvov said:
Help the Moto Maxx (XT1225) get it's own forum section!​
The Moto Maxx is the international variant of the Droid Turbo but differently from other phones variations, the Moto Maxx has many things that set it apart from the Turbo.
Connectivity is one, for example. The Turbo is CDMA based, since it's from Verizon and the MAXX is an International all-rounder. Don't even make me talk about the name, it doesn't even
look remotely the same. THEY ARE DIFFERENT and they deserve to be treated like so.
Reply and vote if you agree! Let's make this, fellow MAXX users.
-Jvov
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Wouldn't be easier to PM some forum moderator and ask for a different thread?.

There are many other phones that are carrier-exclusive that have their own section/forum.
Why not maxx/droid turbo?

I think new forum should be great

Jvov said:
Help the Moto Maxx (XT1225) get it's own forum section!​
The Moto Maxx is the international variant of the Droid Turbo but differently from other phones variations, the Moto Maxx has many things that set it apart from the Turbo.
Connectivity is one, for example. The Turbo is CDMA based, since it's from Verizon and the MAXX is an International all-rounder. Don't even make me talk about the name, it doesn't even
look remotely the same. THEY ARE DIFFERENT and they deserve to be treated like so.
Reply and vote if you agree! Let's make this, fellow MAXX users.
-Jvov
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Just the fact that one is a CDMA phone while the other is GSM is problematic. One is unlocked, the other is not. There will be different methods used in order to unlock the bootloader and root for each device. Some files will be ok to flash on one but death on the other and vice versa, read about the various bricks between the Find 7 and Find 7a if you want to learn how this happens. They do not have the same stock software payload and will require different roms which will get confused with one another and problems will happen because some people cant be bothered to follow simple instructions.
You can by the way make this request in the request thread up in general. I did.
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Who says that the Turbo is CDMA? I have a Verizon Turbo and use it in Germany with Vodafone GSM, G3, H+ and LTE without any problems.
Cheers

Lyson said:
Who says that the Turbo is CDMA? I have a Verizon Turbo and use it in Germany with Vodafone GSM, G3, H+ and LTE without any problems.
Cheers
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I think they meant to say that is CDMA based, as well as Verizon network is, but Turbo still has support for GSM, and if the bands are correct, it can have LTE also in other places.

I believe we should get our own forum, but not right now.
We still share many things. We have so little content that many of our posts in the general section should be in the Q&A or at the Original Dev, but we don't produce that much content.
I'd rather have one or 2 sub forums here differentiating. the Original Dev, for example, should be split in 2, one for each.

Having at least a couple of sub-forums would help a lot finding and sharing content.
I still don't own a Moto Maxx but it will sure be my next device and I'll surely unlock its bootloader.

Lyson said:
Who says that the Turbo is CDMA? I have a Verizon Turbo and use it in Germany with Vodafone GSM, G3, H+ and LTE without any problems.
Cheers
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Here in the states phone variants designed to run on CDMA networks are called CDMA phones, phones designed to run on GSM networks are called GSM phones. Nowadays of course the terms don't have the meaning they once did when a phone either was one or the other and did not possess broad multi frequency support but the terms still carry forward to denote variants built for either one network type or the other. In the states only on Verizon can you get full carrier support with the turbo, on any other network you will at times lose LTE depending on which carrier you use it on.
The importance here is that these phones will diverge in their development. Like it or not the vast majority of all Turbos sold will be used on the largest CDMA network in the world, Verizon, which is also the most intrusive and meddling carrier in the US and that alone means all these users will face problems particular to that network one of which is a locked bootloader. Whatever process sees that bootloader unlocked will be very different than simply going to Motorolas website as Maxx users will do. The recovery will be different, the roms will be different, etc.
As I said, you need only go to the Find 7 forums to see what happens when two every similar but different phones share the same forum. Users flash the wrong modems, the wrong recoveries, the wrong roms, the wrong frameworks, its a long list. In truth this could be overcome with ease simply by users employing common sense and reading before they act but the reality is many many people come to this site green and then flash without understanding that one little letter in a name can mean the phone isn't going to boot up. Then you get all the help me I bricked my phone, I'm in infinite boot loop, and so on posts. People usually find their way clear of whatever mistake they made but not all do, some learn the lesson the expensive way.
IMO its better to at least split the development sections and rename the sub forum something on the lines of Droid Turbo/Moto Maxx forum. There will be less problems and it's been done here before when this situation came up. I'm just an old man though and maybe overly cautious...

So theoretically speaking according the stats of the supported bands the droid turbo rooted and unlocked would be a better phone to have then the moto maxx?
It appears turbo has all the bands the maxx has AND more...
This being said, if the turbo gets its boot loader unlocked its a more versatile phone to own in terms of supported bands and network capabilities.
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ccheww said:
So theoretically speaking according the stats of the supported bands the droid turbo rooted and unlocked would be a better phone to have then the moto maxx?
It appears turbo has all the bands the maxx has AND more...
This being said, if the turbo gets its boot loader unlocked its a more versatile phone to own in terms of supported bands and network capabilities.
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Theoretically and In paper, yes, it would be a more reliable phone.

ccheww said:
So theoretically speaking according the stats of the supported bands the droid turbo rooted and unlocked would be a better phone to have then the moto maxx?
It appears turbo has all the bands the maxx has AND more...
This being said, if the turbo gets its boot loader unlocked its a more versatile phone to own in terms of supported bands and network capabilities.
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Here is (from the FCC filings) the Droid, LTE bands 2/3/4/7/13 and the Maxx, LTE bands 2/4/5/7/17 so not the same and not more. The 3G isn't significant because almost everywhere either one is going to work. This means neither is better for any one person, which one will be depends on which carrier you employ in your home area, not the hardware. I say this because almost no phone will have 100% coverage (if a carrier is using a freq your phone has it) for more than 1 or 2 networks in any given area. In the states for instance the Droid has this on Verizon but no where else and the Maxx has it on AT&T but not any other carrier. If you for example use either on Tmo you will sometimes be without LTE because TMO is not fully covered by either phone.
Once you have the best phone for the carrier of choice at home you usually have a choice of several carriers when abroad so you simply get a pre-paid sim on one that supports your phone the best or is cheapest depending on what you want. I usually just go cheap since 3G is fine for short periods when a good savings can be had on a pre-paid which often vary wildly in price depending on various sales and promotions.
I don't see one being better than the other in theory and with the hardware being a push and user needs dependent the differentiation that stands out is the bootloader. One can be unlocked now, one cannot. I don't consider the small bit of bloat on the Droid a factor since it can be easily gone around.

Check this out and request here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1660354&page=1645

Droid Razr for CDMA and international shared the same forum section and the development for both phones was fantastic. I think it was because they shared the page that the CDMA development was kept alive. No I don't think they should have separate forums, but that is my opinion.

Galaxo60 said:
Check this out and request here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1660354&page=1645
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Thanks

+1 please

there will be forum when it gets released on att and tmobile.