Help the Moto Maxx (XT1225) get it's own forum section!
The Moto Maxx is the international variant of the Droid Turbo but differently from other phones variations, the Moto Maxx has many things that set it apart from the Turbo.
Connectivity is one, for example. The Turbo is CDMA based, since it's from Verizon and the MAXX is an International all-rounder. Don't even make me talk about the name, it doesn't even
look remotely the same. THEY ARE DIFFERENT and they deserve to be treated like so.
Reply and vote if you agree! Let's make this, fellow MAXX users.
-Jvov
If the moto maxx is an all rounder wouldn't that male the hardware exactly the same in the turbo? I take this as good news because I want to switch networks eventually.
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Just the fact that one is a CDMA phone while the other is GSM is problematic. One is unlocked, the other is not. There will be different methods used in order to unlock the bootloader and root for each device. Some files will be ok to flash on one but death on the other and vice versa, read about the various bricks between the Find 7 and Find 7a if you want to learn how this happens. They do not have the same stock software payload and will require different roms which will get confused with one another and problems will happen because some people cant be bothered to follow simple instructions.
You can by the way make this request in the request thread up in general. I did.
The Moto Maxx XT1225 is just more dev-friendly than the Droid Turbo. It deserves its own section.
Jvov said:
Help the Moto Maxx (XT1225) get it's own forum section!
The Moto Maxx is the international variant of the Droid Turbo but differently from other phones variations, the Moto Maxx has many things that set it apart from the Turbo.
Connectivity is one, for example. The Turbo is CDMA based, since it's from Verizon and the MAXX is an International all-rounder. Don't even make me talk about the name, it doesn't even
look remotely the same. THEY ARE DIFFERENT and they deserve to be treated like so.
Reply and vote if you agree! Let's make this, fellow MAXX users.
-Jvov
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Wouldn't be easier to PM some forum moderator and ask for a different thread?.
There are many other phones that are carrier-exclusive that have their own section/forum.
Why not maxx/droid turbo?
I think new forum should be great
Jvov said:
Help the Moto Maxx (XT1225) get it's own forum section!
The Moto Maxx is the international variant of the Droid Turbo but differently from other phones variations, the Moto Maxx has many things that set it apart from the Turbo.
Connectivity is one, for example. The Turbo is CDMA based, since it's from Verizon and the MAXX is an International all-rounder. Don't even make me talk about the name, it doesn't even
look remotely the same. THEY ARE DIFFERENT and they deserve to be treated like so.
Reply and vote if you agree! Let's make this, fellow MAXX users.
-Jvov
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krabman said:
Just the fact that one is a CDMA phone while the other is GSM is problematic. One is unlocked, the other is not. There will be different methods used in order to unlock the bootloader and root for each device. Some files will be ok to flash on one but death on the other and vice versa, read about the various bricks between the Find 7 and Find 7a if you want to learn how this happens. They do not have the same stock software payload and will require different roms which will get confused with one another and problems will happen because some people cant be bothered to follow simple instructions.
You can by the way make this request in the request thread up in general. I did.
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Who says that the Turbo is CDMA? I have a Verizon Turbo and use it in Germany with Vodafone GSM, G3, H+ and LTE without any problems.
Cheers
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Who says that the Turbo is CDMA? I have a Verizon Turbo and use it in Germany with Vodafone GSM, G3, H+ and LTE without any problems.
Cheers
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I think they meant to say that is CDMA based, as well as Verizon network is, but Turbo still has support for GSM, and if the bands are correct, it can have LTE also in other places.
I believe we should get our own forum, but not right now.
We still share many things. We have so little content that many of our posts in the general section should be in the Q&A or at the Original Dev, but we don't produce that much content.
I'd rather have one or 2 sub forums here differentiating. the Original Dev, for example, should be split in 2, one for each.
Having at least a couple of sub-forums would help a lot finding and sharing content.
I still don't own a Moto Maxx but it will sure be my next device and I'll surely unlock its bootloader.
Lyson said:
Who says that the Turbo is CDMA? I have a Verizon Turbo and use it in Germany with Vodafone GSM, G3, H+ and LTE without any problems.
Cheers
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Here in the states phone variants designed to run on CDMA networks are called CDMA phones, phones designed to run on GSM networks are called GSM phones. Nowadays of course the terms don't have the meaning they once did when a phone either was one or the other and did not possess broad multi frequency support but the terms still carry forward to denote variants built for either one network type or the other. In the states only on Verizon can you get full carrier support with the turbo, on any other network you will at times lose LTE depending on which carrier you use it on.
The importance here is that these phones will diverge in their development. Like it or not the vast majority of all Turbos sold will be used on the largest CDMA network in the world, Verizon, which is also the most intrusive and meddling carrier in the US and that alone means all these users will face problems particular to that network one of which is a locked bootloader. Whatever process sees that bootloader unlocked will be very different than simply going to Motorolas website as Maxx users will do. The recovery will be different, the roms will be different, etc.
As I said, you need only go to the Find 7 forums to see what happens when two every similar but different phones share the same forum. Users flash the wrong modems, the wrong recoveries, the wrong roms, the wrong frameworks, its a long list. In truth this could be overcome with ease simply by users employing common sense and reading before they act but the reality is many many people come to this site green and then flash without understanding that one little letter in a name can mean the phone isn't going to boot up. Then you get all the help me I bricked my phone, I'm in infinite boot loop, and so on posts. People usually find their way clear of whatever mistake they made but not all do, some learn the lesson the expensive way.
IMO its better to at least split the development sections and rename the sub forum something on the lines of Droid Turbo/Moto Maxx forum. There will be less problems and it's been done here before when this situation came up. I'm just an old man though and maybe overly cautious...
So theoretically speaking according the stats of the supported bands the droid turbo rooted and unlocked would be a better phone to have then the moto maxx?
It appears turbo has all the bands the maxx has AND more...
This being said, if the turbo gets its boot loader unlocked its a more versatile phone to own in terms of supported bands and network capabilities.
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ccheww said:
So theoretically speaking according the stats of the supported bands the droid turbo rooted and unlocked would be a better phone to have then the moto maxx?
It appears turbo has all the bands the maxx has AND more...
This being said, if the turbo gets its boot loader unlocked its a more versatile phone to own in terms of supported bands and network capabilities.
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Theoretically and In paper, yes, it would be a more reliable phone.
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So theoretically speaking according the stats of the supported bands the droid turbo rooted and unlocked would be a better phone to have then the moto maxx?
It appears turbo has all the bands the maxx has AND more...
This being said, if the turbo gets its boot loader unlocked its a more versatile phone to own in terms of supported bands and network capabilities.
Sent from my XT1254
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Here is (from the FCC filings) the Droid, LTE bands 2/3/4/7/13 and the Maxx, LTE bands 2/4/5/7/17 so not the same and not more. The 3G isn't significant because almost everywhere either one is going to work. This means neither is better for any one person, which one will be depends on which carrier you employ in your home area, not the hardware. I say this because almost no phone will have 100% coverage (if a carrier is using a freq your phone has it) for more than 1 or 2 networks in any given area. In the states for instance the Droid has this on Verizon but no where else and the Maxx has it on AT&T but not any other carrier. If you for example use either on Tmo you will sometimes be without LTE because TMO is not fully covered by either phone.
Once you have the best phone for the carrier of choice at home you usually have a choice of several carriers when abroad so you simply get a pre-paid sim on one that supports your phone the best or is cheapest depending on what you want. I usually just go cheap since 3G is fine for short periods when a good savings can be had on a pre-paid which often vary wildly in price depending on various sales and promotions.
I don't see one being better than the other in theory and with the hardware being a push and user needs dependent the differentiation that stands out is the bootloader. One can be unlocked now, one cannot. I don't consider the small bit of bloat on the Droid a factor since it can be easily gone around.
Check this out and request here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1660354&page=1645
Droid Razr for CDMA and international shared the same forum section and the development for both phones was fantastic. I think it was because they shared the page that the CDMA development was kept alive. No I don't think they should have separate forums, but that is my opinion.
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Check this out and request here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1660354&page=1645
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there will be forum when it gets released on att and tmobile.
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Hey guys, I'm thinking about ditching the AT&T and switching to Verizon when Bionic comes out.
have some questions, maybe you guys can help me get answers to them =)
How locked is the Verizon's Droid? Have you tried unlocking it to use with other providers in another country?
When phone is bootloader unlocked/rooted, can it be reverted back for warranty purposes?
$1000000 question: can you tether with regular unlimited plan? With/without dev hacks?
Thank you!
The original Droid is fair game. I'm assuming you mean the newer ones, though. They all have locked bootloaders and can't get new kernels without MOTO. Any world phone can connect to gsm towers, foreign and domestic. It's a matter of software determining which technology to use. If the phone isn't "global" it's cdma only.
You can perform a stock reset by loading a file called SBF. It's basically an image of a phone from the factory.
You can tether without voiding your warranty, but you will violate your Verizon ToS. You can wirelessly tether by rooting your phone or hacking the stock tether app. Read around and you'll find this is all very simple.I
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The original Droid is fair game. I'm assuming you mean the newer ones, though. They all have locked bootloaders and can't get new kernels without MOTO. Any world phone can connect to gsm towers, foreign and domestic. It's a matter of software determining which technology to use. If the phone isn't "global" it's cdma only.
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Thanks for the reply.
To rephrase the question, can I unlock my Droid to run on a different LTE/CDMA provider? I know verizon doesn't give the unlock codes like ATT does, but I'm pretty sure there must be a way to make it run with different providers, obviously without roaming.
If we are talking about Droid 1, yes you can "unlock" it, by rooting, flashing recovey, SPL and bootloader. There are guides on how to do this very easily.
Afterwards, you can go ahead and program it with whatever carrier values you want to be with and asking them to allow the ESN/MEID on their network; some will do it for a small fee others not.
But if we are talking about the Droid 2 and Droid X, the bootloaders haven't been able to be cracked, therefore operating them in different carriers has proven to be a very difficult task.
You are able to program them, to make the phone work, and most probably the 1X internet service which is like EDGE on GSM.
I have heard there are ways you can flash it to Cricket and it can work at 100%, but take me for example, I have stored Droid X I can't use because I cannot make the 3G to work as long as the bootloader is locked.
Hope it helps!
Nope. The only other CDMA carrier is Sprint, and it doesn't work. LTE we will probably have to wail and see, but I dont think any other carriers have a LTE network as of now
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If we are talking about Droid 1, yes you can "unlock" it, by rooting, flashing recovey, SPL and bootloader. There are guides on how to do this very easily.
Afterwards, you can go ahead and program it with whatever carrier values you want to be with and asking them to allow the ESN/MEID on their network; some will do it for a small fee others not.
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Thanks for the info!
I'm used to unlocking/flashing phones with tools provided by xda community, and although not a phone hacker myself, never had problems with unlocking them.
I'm just trying to forsee what are the chances that Droid Bionic (which is my reason for switching to VZW) will be unlockable/flashable.
It surprises me that, as you say, latest Droids' bootloader is locked. I can't believe xda talents didn't find a way to unlock/root/reflash it
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The only other CDMA carrier is Sprint
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There are other countries in the world, you know
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There are other countries in the world, you know
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This is true! I have seen people flash the X to Cricket, but haven't heard of anyone bringing it to sprint....
To answer your other questions:
1.How locked is the Verizon's Droid? Have you tried unlocking it to use with other providers in another country?
ANSWER: While the X cannot be unlocked (not a global phone...) the Droid 2 Global, and the Droid Pro have both been unlocked to be used on other networks (GSM only I believe). This is a recent development from Team Black Hat (+10000 to them).
2.When phone is bootloader unlocked/rooted, can it be reverted back for warranty purposes?
ANSWER: as stated above... the only Motorola phone with an unlocked bootloader is the original Droid. Phones such as the HTC Droid Incredible have an unlocked bootloader, and can run custom kernals and the like.
3.$1000000 question: can you tether with regular unlimited plan? With/without dev hacks?
Answer: Yes, you can tether with the regular unlimited plan. This requires rooting the phone, if you wish to use such tether modes such as Wireless Tether for root (which now runs in infrastructure mode...). Team Black Hat has also released an update.zip that allows you to run Verizon's Wireless Hotspot app without incurring the $20 a month fee that goes along with it.
So there are some hacks required to get tethering... but if you want free tethering....its definitely worth it.
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It surprises me that, as you say, latest Droids' bootloader is locked. I can't believe xda talents didn't find a way to unlock/root/reflash it
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XDA's great minds are currently working on it! The obstacle is that Motorola is using a hefty 2048 bit encryption key, which to my knowledge, I do not believe that a 2048 bit encryption key has been broken for any use so far...
To continue.. Aliasxerog over on twitter is currently working with kexec (or was a little while ago) which allowed to pass a 2nd init process on to the boot process for linux operating systems. I believe for now, he may have moved away from kexec, and is just working on a different init for the X.
I suggest following him on twitter for any progress on this. Also check out P3Droid, and CellZealot for development.
If you are looking for themes, check out Bignadad on Twitter... as he is the king in my opinion... Does the best work I have seen.
Thanks for great replies guys.
I don't own X, nor do I really plan to, I'm just using it as a reference to predict what kind of unlocking/flashing (if any) will be available for Droid Bionic, which I do want to get.
I never owned motorola (only Samsung and HTC) PDAs, so trying to test the waters before I jump in..
Leaving ATT because of their crappy network? Don't blame you.
If you're leaving just for the Bionic, the Atrix (ATT Only) appears to be the same phone, except the Atrix can dock into a "laptop" ("laptop" because the device is useless without the phone). Depending on how much the "laptop" dock costs, and depending on how often you travel away from home, it could be a pretty sweet combo.
With the bionic only having 512 MB of RAM, I'm definitely jealous of the Atrix. I probably wouldn't ever leave VZW though.
Looking at the specs the Bionic appears to be a BIG let down!!! With VZW supposedly having the"best" Motorola products in the droid line up the Atrix is a much better device than the Bionic & HTC's ThunderBolt seems to be in a league of it's own!!!
Now that VZW has changed the game getting the iPhone let's see what Apple & VZW come up with for the 4G LTE iPhone (better be more impressive than Motorola & the Bionic)
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The only difference between the Bionic and the Atrix 4g is the ram. The Bionic has a larger screen and is using toned down blur vs. full on blur. So I wouldn't call the Bionic a let down. I also wouldn't be surprised if [email protected] blocked the Atrix from sideloading apps.
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Leaving ATT because of their crappy network? Don't blame you.
If you're leaving just for the Bionic, the Atrix (ATT Only) appears to be the same phone, except the Atrix can dock into a "laptop" ("laptop" because the device is useless without the phone). Depending on how much the "laptop" dock costs, and depending on how often you travel away from home, it could be a pretty sweet combo.
With the bionic only having 512 MB of RAM, I'm definitely jealous of the Atrix. I probably wouldn't ever leave VZW though.
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Yeah I'm aware of the Atrix.. and it's still a good option for me.
However, it has 5MP camera VS Bionic's 8MP, and 4" screen vs Bionic's 4.3".
Two things that I actually like and use =(
DVS69 said:
Looking at the specs the Bionic appears to be a BIG let down!!! With VZW supposedly having the"best" Motorola products in the droid line up the Atrix is a much better device than the Bionic & HTC's ThunderBolt seems to be in a league of it's own!!!
Now that VZW has changed the game getting the iPhone let's see what Apple & VZW come up with for the 4G LTE iPhone (better be more impressive than Motorola & the Bionic)
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Sorry, but I completely disagree. Bionic is, imo, the best among the three, closely followed by Atrix. Thunderbolt is kinda bad.
Look here for full comparison: http://www.phonearena.com/phones/co...-BIONIC,HTC-ThunderBolt/phones/4982,5122,4985
Notice the now crappy and underwhelming 480x800 screen res, a ****ty 1400MAH battery and a standard 1GHzz Snapdragon. Thunderbold is a whole generation below Atrix and Bionic. Also much-lower 8GB storage, NO HDMI port... The only thing it has going for it is 1.3MP front camera.
Bionic, imo, is the best here. Imo, there isn't really much difference between half-gig ram and gig ram, from user's perspective. Can't imagine filling that up on a cell phone.
On the other hand, Bionic provides 8MP camera and 4.3" screen. The only thing that scares me is the "SGPS", which is a non-Assisted GPS, as I understand it. Unless info is wrong.
Just my thoughts, don't mean to start a spec war here.
Great news this morning for whoever was holding out on buying the Moto X (2014) Pure Edition due to the LTE coverage. Motorola has said that they will soon be enabling LTE 3, 5, and 7 on the Pure Edition via an OTA update!
http://www.androidcentral.com/moto-x-pure-edition-xt1095-may-soon-get-more-lte-bands
Effectively, both XT1095 and XT1097 will support the same LTE bands after this update rolls out.
Nevermind, I always forget Band 13... FML Verizon, worst network for tinkerers and phone junkies alike.
Kenmichi said:
Nevermind, I always forget Band 13... FML Verizon, worst network for tinkerers and phone junkies alike.
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Huh? Verizon phones are factory unlocked and work on CDMA and GSM, compare that to what you get on T-Mobile, Sprint, or AT&T and Verizon has the best phones for phone junkies. Now unlocked bootloaders, I'll agree Verizon sucks with that.
Band 13 is only supported on the VZW edition Moto X (xt1096) and is one of their primary LTE bands. So yes the Pure Edition, or even regular AT&T edition for that matter, Moto X will work on the VZW network you are limiting your connectivity significantly.
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Band 13 is only supported on the VZW edition Moto X (xt1096) and is one of their primary LTE bands. So yes the Pure Edition, or even regular AT&T edition for that matter, Moto X will work on the VZW network you are limiting your connectivity significantly.
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They'll never let you bring your own phone. Never. Even if it did magically work on the network.
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Huh? Verizon phones are factory unlocked and work on CDMA and GSM, compare that to what you get on T-Mobile, Sprint, or AT&T and Verizon has the best phones for phone junkies. Now unlocked bootloaders, I'll agree Verizon sucks with that.
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Factory unlocked, really? So I could wait and pick up a Droid Turbo and use it on T-mobile? Hmmm, may have to research this. Although, the extra bloatware would probably keep me away.
But, back on-topic...
This certainly makes the Pure a much more useful phone. It still needs Band 12 (T-mobile owns Band 12 in 2/3 of my county) to serve the US providers that it is intended for, but this is definitely a good step in the right direction.
Awesome this will enable LTE in Euro for most people. This makes the new Moto X way more versatile than the old Moto X which contains only:[2/4/17] ... basically i can buy a moto x for any of my European friends
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Factory unlocked, really? So I could wait and pick up a Droid Turbo and use it on T-mobile? Hmmm, may have to research this. Although, the extra bloatware would probably keep me away.
But, back on-topic...
This certainly makes the Pure a much more useful phone. It still needs Band 12 (T-mobile owns Band 12 in 2/3 of my county) to serve the US providers that it is intended for, but this is definitely a good step in the right direction.
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Well we can't say with 100% certainty since it's not out yet, but all other Verizon LTE phones are factory unlocked and can be used on other carriers. I've used my Verizon Note 2, LG G2, and LG G3 on T-Mobile. The only issues you would run into would be an "unknown SIM" in the status bar, and you may need to add APN entries. If you root though, you can easily fix both of these issues.
Actually itd be wayyyy better if they dropped band 5 and just included 20 ... 800mhz LTE is essential for non rural cities in Europe.
This discussion has already been started in this XDA thread.
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Sorry if this a noon question. Can I use a Moto Maxx (1225) on verizon (versus a vzw turbo 1254)
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Yes,
just flash xt1254 rom
Would that then make it unrootable (as the 1254 Is currently not able to gain root) or is the reason that the 1225 CAN gain root because it has an unlockable bootloader?
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Sorry if this a noon question. Can I use a Moto Maxx (1225) on verizon (versus a vzw turbo 1254)
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You CANNOT use an XT1225 on Verizon as it does not have the correct bands! The Turbo uses Verizon's band 13 LTE and the Maxx does not have this band.
However, there's this US version of the Moto Maxx: http://www.cellcom.com/device.html?id=451&navtype=personal&categoryid=1#detail which DOES use Verizon's bands. However, they don't seem to sell them online and they're only available in the Michigan area, so good luck with that one.. Its model number is apparently XT1250 but I can't even find references to that anywhere, I just remember hearing about it in a previous post. Its bootloader is apparently unlockable, so it's essentially got all the Turbo hardware but the Maxx software.
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You CANNOT use an XT1225 on Verizon as it does not have the correct bands! The Turbo uses Verizon's band 13 LTE and the Maxx does not have this band.
However, there's this US version of the Moto Maxx: http://www.cellcom.com/device.html?id=451&navtype=personal&categoryid=1#detail which DOES use Verizon's bands. However, they don't seem to sell them online and they're only available in the Michigan area, so good luck with that one.. Its model number is apparently XT1250 but I can't even find references to that anywhere, I just remember hearing about it in a previous post. Its bootloader is apparently unlockable, so it's essentially got all the Turbo hardware but the Maxx software.
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I'm in Michigan, how do I find one of these devices?
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I'm in Michigan, how do I find one of these devices?
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http://www.cellcom.com/location.html#.VO_cHnP0DqA
I'd call first to make sure you can buy one off contract. I'd also try to make sure it's using the bands listed on their website because it could be a clerical error, where someone put the info for the Maxx but used the Turbo's bands.
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Thanks for all the info. Cleared it up for me
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Ekkoria said:
You CANNOT use an XT1225 on Verizon as it does not have the correct bands! The Turbo uses Verizon's band 13 LTE and the Maxx does not have this band.
However, there's this US version of the Moto Maxx: http://www.cellcom.com/device.html?id=451&navtype=personal&categoryid=1#detail which DOES use Verizon's bands. However, they don't seem to sell them online and they're only available in the Michigan area, so good luck with that one.. Its model number is apparently XT1250 but I can't even find references to that anywhere, I just remember hearing about it in a previous post. Its bootloader is apparently unlockable, so it's essentially got all the Turbo hardware but the Maxx software.
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There are at least half a dozen CDMA/LTE carriers (actual carriers with their own towers and spectrum, not MVNOs) selling these XT1250 Moto Maxx phones, all over the U.S. You listed one.
See this post for links to the others I found. I stopped when I got to 5 or 6. There are probably more.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=59075613&postcount=20
ChazzMatt said:
There are at least half a dozen CDMA/LTE carriers (actual carriers with their own towers and spectrum, not MVNOs) selling these XT1250 Moto Maxx phones, all over the U.S. You listed one.
See this post for links to the others I found. I stopped when I got to 5 or 6. There are probably more.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=59075613&postcount=20
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Do we have confirmation that the XT1250 version of the Moto Maxx will work on Verizon? Is it as simple as swapping out the SIM card or do you need to reprogram it to work on Verizon's network? I am talking with Thumb Cellular support right now to get verification (if possible) that the bootloader can be unlocked.
I live about 2 hours away from a store, so I might stop by and purchase this phone at full retail if it would work. If it's switchable and unlock able then we have a workaround for unlocking and rooting the Turbo!!!!
EDIT: The main support lady couldn't tell me about bootloader unlock, but she did verify that all their phones work with Verizon. She couldn't comment on switching a phone from Thumb to Verizon though. She also gave me the direct contact to Thumb's technical support team. I am going to call them at lunch today to find out more.
I'll be following this thread, as I'm interested in doing the same.
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So I have confirmation that Thumb Cellular only sells the black ballistic nylon version with 32gb.
I also spoke with one of their technical support guys directly, but he wasn't the guy that generally deals with software. He wasn't able to confirm if the bootloader can be unlocked. But I asked if they had one they could try with over there. He is going to follow up with the guy that handles software as well as his supervisor. He said he'd call me back later today with what he finds out.
After talking to all of them, I think there is one way I could find out for sure. I could just purchase the phone at retail price and try to unlock it myself. If it doesn't work, then it won't be unlocked and I will be able to return it. If I can't get it to run with my Verizon SIM, I could also return it.
I'll wait and see what he comes back with, and what Verizon says about switching a phone from Thumb to their network.
I do have to say one thing, the small carriers sure do have courteous and helpful customer service!
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I tried calling Verizon, but (of course) they weren't very helpful. The only thing I could get out of the support guy was that if the phone doesn't come from Verizon, it won't work.
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Just got the call back from the Thumb technician. They won't attempt to unlock the bootloader on a phone, and cannot confirm whether or not it would work. They can only tell me that if it did work, it would void the warranty.
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Do we have confirmation that the XT1250 version of the Moto Maxx will work on Verizon? Is it as simple as swapping out the SIM card or do you need to reprogram it to work on Verizon's network? I am talking with Thumb Cellular support right now to get verification (if possible) that the bootloader can be unlocked.
I live about 2 hours away from a store, so I might stop by and purchase this phone at full retail if it would work. If it's switchable and unlock able then we have a workaround for unlocking and rooting the Turbo!!!!
EDIT: The main support lady couldn't tell me about bootloader unlock, but she did verify that all their phones work with Verizon. She couldn't comment on switching a phone from Thumb to Verizon though. She also gave me the direct contact to Thumb's technical support team. I am going to call them at lunch today to find out more.
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The owner of an XT1250 said
1) the bootloader was eligible to be unlocked, according to the Motorola website. But he didn't do it as, he didn't want to void warranty.
2) he stuck in a Verizon sim and it worked. However he is not a Verizon customer so he did not leave it in. You would have to ask him what he did while the sim card was in -- did he make phone calls, did he run a speed test?
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Sorry about that everyone :\ . I should have gone through the forum rules.
Has anyone tried to use the Verizon variant on a GSM network yet? We've gotten lucky in the past with other Verizon prepaid LTE phones working.
I don't think the XT1609 is GSM capable. It has no 3G UMTS bands enabled, though it does have the full range of GSM 2G/EDGE bands enabled.
So, pretty much unless you're in a VoLTE area, you might be out of luck for voice calls if it is unlocked. I'm not even sure if this phone does VoLTE anyway though.
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somebody has a moto g4 play to try the same method of moto e 2º generation ?? following the steps with Network app to get gsm capable in the phone.
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i bought one moto g4 play verizon and their coming locked i need a imei code for unlock help me
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i bought one moto g4 play verizon and their coming locked i need a imei code for unlock help me
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did you try the "network" app and follow the same method than moto e 2° verizon?
best buy have them $64.99 at the moment hurry hurry someone please completely confirm if unlockable to work on gsm lol
http://www.android.gs/sim-unlock-verizon-moto-e-2015/
this is what you mean a possible unlock method?
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best buy have them $64.99 at the moment hurry hurry someone please completely confirm if unlockable to work on gsm lol
http://www.android.gs/sim-unlock-verizon-moto-e-2015/
this is what you mean a possible unlock method?
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It would probably be a waste of time and $. Someone already bought one in the other Verizon moto g4 play thread and returned it because it looked like a no go. And without unlocking the bootloader, how would you flash a custom or alternate ROM to use the bands needed for GSM (as mentioned above). That's if it's a firmware thing and not a hardware limitation. If we want an unlocked Moto G4 play, the only option looks like we're shelling out $100 to Amazon for the one with ads or $150 without ads.
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It would probably be a waste of time and $. Someone already bought one in the other Verizon moto g4 play thread and returned it because it looked like a no go. And without unlocking the bootloader, how would you flash a custom or alternate ROM to use the bands needed for GSM (as mentioned above). That's if it's a firmware thing and not a hardware limitation. If we want an unlocked Moto G4 play, the only option looks like we're shelling out $100 to Amazon for the one with ads or $150 without ads.
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please show me in the above link where there is any mention of a needed bootloader unlock or custom rom? stop spreading your negative bs without any factual backup other than your negative assumptions
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best buy have them $64.99 at the moment hurry hurry someone please completely confirm if unlockable to work on gsm lol
http://www.android.gs/sim-unlock-verizon-moto-e-2015/
this is what you mean a possible unlock method?
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yes, i have 2 moto e 2º from verizon 4G LTE and it work completely in Movistar Mexico, but a relative bring a samsung j1 , from verizon too and it can´t be unlocked, the menu "network" is disable and if yiu try to run network app, it close..... so, i don´t know if all verizon 4G LTE can be unlocked to get gsm signal like the moto e 2 , samsung s4,etc.....
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please show me in the above link where there is any mention of a needed bootloader unlock or custom rom? stop spreading your negative bs without any factual backup other than your negative assumptions
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What link do you need, the link to the product page? Did you even research this phone one little bit before posting or was it a case of post now, think later? What network are you even looking to use this phone on? I'll tell you right now that several of the bands used for other networks are completely missing for this phone (can see this clear as day on any product or spec listing for this phone). Then there's the matter of this phone being carrier locked (it's not as simple as popping in a different sim anymore - Verizon changed their policy this year). People need to stop comparing this to the Moto e from last year because this clearly isn't. What else do you need to know?
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It would probably be a waste of time and $. Someone already bought one in the other Verizon moto g4 play thread and returned it because it looked like a no go. And without unlocking the bootloader, how would you flash a custom or alternate ROM to use the bands needed for GSM (as mentioned above). That's if it's a firmware thing and not a hardware limitation. If we want an unlocked Moto G4 play, the only option looks like we're shelling out $100 to Amazon for the one with ads or $150 without ads.
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EDIT: NEVER MIND. I just realized you were saying they'd need to flash a rom to enable the GSM 2G bands the phone hardware IS capable of. I thought you were trying to say you could magically enable 3g/UMTS bands that it's NOT capable of with a rom lol. Disregard the parts below about enabling bands the hardware isn't capable of, that's my misunderstanding!!
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I don't know what you're smoking bro. It most certainly IS a hardware limitation. You can't just enable bands that the antenna isn't capable of. SOME devices, very rarely, have antennae capable of more bands than are enabled in the radio firmware(NOT the Rom) but those are very few and far between.
Simply put, you can't make a 1609 into a 1607 just by flashing a new radio. If you could, then hell... I'd make every one of my old phones work with all carriers by turning on the bands they don't already have. Sadly, this is not possible.
As I said earlier in the thread, it's capable of EDGE (2g), and some of the GSM LTE bands that CDMA carriers use for data, BUT you wouldn't be able to call/text over LTE and it would fall back to EDGE for voice and sms (so no simultaneous voice and data) if you got a carrier unlock code from Verizon, but most GSM carriers are phasing out EDGE for postpaid accounts so if it's not a prepaid SIM it likely wouldn't register to the network at all for voice calling.
tl;dr unlocking the XT1609 for use on GSM carriers would be a very painful and unpleasant experience on prepaid where calls would go to voicemail when you're using data, and the SIM wouldn't register at all on a contract/postpaid account.
what about international use? is it possibly just locked in usa unlocked international for roaming?
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what about international use? is it possibly just locked in usa unlocked international for roaming?
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I'm afraid that you're misunderstanding the meaning of "locked" in this scenario. It's probably carrier locked to Verizon prepaid no matter where you take it, but that can be remedied very easily (it was brought to my attention last night in a different forum that there are now unlock codes for these on eBay for around $2.50, so buying an unlock code takes care of that problem). But the real issue is the bands that this phone is capable of using and what is available where you're going and what network you'll be using. I believe the bands Verizon uses are more prevalent over seas, but I'm sure you can find this out with a quick web search.
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It would probably be a waste of time and $. Someone already bought one in the other Verizon moto g4 play thread and returned it because it looked like a no go. And without unlocking the bootloader, how would you flash a custom or alternate ROM to use the bands needed for GSM (as mentioned above). That's if it's a firmware thing and not a hardware limitation. If we want an unlocked Moto G4 play, the only option looks like we're shelling out $100 to Amazon for the one with ads or $150 without ads.
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I'm afraid that you're misunderstanding the meaning of "locked" in this scenario. It's probably carrier locked to Verizon prepaid no matter where you take it, but that can be remedied very easily (it was brought to my attention last night in a different forum that there are now unlock codes for these on eBay for around $2.50, so buying an unlock code takes care of that problem). But the real issue is the bands that this phone is capable of using and what is available where you're going and what network you'll be using. I believe the bands Verizon uses are more prevalent over seas, but I'm sure you can find this out with a quick web search.
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I see. Need to find out what 3g bands get unlocked if any because according to gsmarena the 4g bands on this model are not applicable in my country and rolling 2g only is not worth it.
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EDIT: NEVER MIND. I just realized you were saying they'd need to flash a rom to enable the GSM 2G bands the phone hardware IS capable of. I thought you were trying to say you could magically enable 3g/UMTS bands that it's NOT capable of with a rom lol. Disregard the parts below about enabling bands the hardware isn't capable of, that's my misunderstanding!!
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I don't know what you're smoking bro. It most certainly IS a hardware limitation. You can't just enable bands that the antenna isn't capable of. SOME devices, very rarely, have antennae capable of more bands than are enabled in the radio firmware(NOT the Rom) but those are very few and far between.
Simply put, you can't make a 1609 into a 1607 just by flashing a new radio. If you could, then hell... I'd make every one of my old phones work with all carriers by turning on the bands they don't already have. Sadly, this is not possible.
As I said earlier in the thread, it's capable of EDGE (2g), and some of the GSM LTE bands that CDMA carriers use for data, BUT you wouldn't be able to call/text over LTE and it would fall back to EDGE for voice and sms (so no simultaneous voice and data) if you got a carrier unlock code from Verizon, but most GSM carriers are phasing out EDGE for postpaid accounts so if it's not a prepaid SIM it likely wouldn't register to the network at all for voice calling.
tl;dr unlocking the XT1609 for use on GSM carriers would be a very painful and unpleasant experience on prepaid where calls would go to voicemail when you're using data, and the SIM wouldn't register at all on a contract/postpaid account.
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Part of me says that the disabled bands is a firmware thing rather than a hardware thing since it's much cheaper for moto to make "one phone" with different programming, but it's probably just wishful thinking on my part. Either way, I'm sure Verizon locked these phones down so we'll because of the whole moto e thing last year (hordes of zombies flocked to bestbuy to buy $10 Verizon branded phones only to use them on other networks). All it took was a couple of commands in abd from what I remember (there was an ultra long thread about it at the time). Probably pissed off Verizon and I hope they lost their shirts. I'm sure that these types of phones are subsidized in some way since the unbranded ones are almost always double or more in price (especially with verizon- they usually have cheaper phones but more expensive service - great way to hook you).
And I know exactly what you're talking about with using this in stock form on gsm carriers. If you're in need of a laugh, go check out the thread for Verizon moto g4 play over on slickdeals. There was one poster who got this phone unlocked (via eBay) and was going to try to use this for VOIP with Google voice or something (data only I suppose) since he claimed to have excellent LTE in his region. I believe that he's in for an underwhelming experience and constant missed/dropped calls. I guess it might work if you stand in one spot all day. To each his own. Some people would do just about anything to save a few bucks. Here's a link and their username was TheLao :http://slickdeals.net/f/9195543-16g...ipping-free-store-pickup-best-buy-ebay?page=7
Just got off live chat with motorola with 2 different csrs neither knew anything outside of public info on what bands the xt1609 has or it truely has no 3g gsm bands.
may have to wait until someone who physically has this and can confirm what bands it has once unlocked? i tried searching for an app on store that can tell you available bands on the device but gave up after about 4-5 apps.
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Part of me says that the disabled bands is a firmware thing rather than a hardware thing since it's much cheaper for moto to make "one phone" with different programming, but it's probably just wishful thinking on my part. Either way, I'm sure Verizon locked these phones down so we'll because of the whole moto e thing last year (hordes of zombies flocked to bestbuy to buy $10 Verizon branded phones only to use them on other networks). All it took was a couple of commands in abd from what I remember (there was an ultra long thread about it at the time). Probably pissed off Verizon and I hope they lost their shirts. I'm sure that these types of phones are subsidized in some way since the unbranded ones are almost always double or more in price (especially with verizon- they usually have cheaper phones but more expensive service - great way to hook you).
And I know exactly what you're talking about with using this in stock form on gsm carriers. If you're in need of a laugh, go check out the thread for Verizon moto g4 play over on slickdeals. There was one poster who got this phone unlocked (via eBay) and was going to try to use this for VOIP with Google voice or something (data only I suppose) since he claimed to have excellent LTE in his region. I believe that he's in for an underwhelming experience and constant missed/dropped calls. I guess it might work if you stand in one spot all day. To each his own. Some people would do just about anything to save a few bucks. Here's a link and their username was TheLao :http://slickdeals.net/f/9195543-16g...ipping-free-store-pickup-best-buy-ebay?page=7
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I'm sure in some phones it is probably just a firmware thing. I remember some of the early Kindle fire models that were on the low end were really underclocked high end models with a smaller NAND. If you rooted them and flashed a new kernel, you could enable Bluetooth and set the clock speed up to match the higher end model and all you'd be missing is some storage. In the case of the Moto g4 play, though, it's probably cheaper to just leave out the physical antenna hardware for non VZW bands than disabling them via firmware. That's likely just a matter of dropping a step from the assembly process, so it wouldn't cost them any extra... Might even save a few pennies per run. But I'd imagine on high end flagship devices where it's a different model for every carrier, it's just a firmware thing. That's probably the REAL reason some phones have locked bootloaders. Like the LG G4, the only one with bootloader unlock is the international version with all bands enabled. I bet if I COULD unlock the bootloader on my sprint LG G4, I could turn it into a GSM phone.
And LOLOLOL about that link. Dude is going to hate life. When my LG G4 was in for repair and the Moto G4 Play hadn't shipped yet, I was using a LG G Pad F7 LTE tablet with Google voice, using hangouts and hangouts dialer for sms and voice. Missed calls SO many times because it would take too long to start ringing on my end, and I'm in one of the major US markets so LTE coverage is literally everywhere.
Welp, TIFU. I bought two of the Moto g4 play at walmart... got home and found out that Verizon locks 4g phones again. Paid for an unlock, found the phone doesn't allow connecting to GSM networks, but that is because even with a GSM sim in the phone it still only connects to Verizon. With my t-mobile sim in the phone, I make a call and get the "your call is being transfered to a representative who will take your credit card info to complete this call". Leave it to verizon to only allow the phone to connect to their network even after you unlock it...
Xt1609 doesn't have connection of gsm or 2g
Hi! I bought a "Moto 4G play" of Veirzon USA (XT1609). Unfortunately, My network operator in Mexico (Telcel) hasn't compatible with the VoLTE.
The cellphone doesn't have connection of GSM or 2G only LTE 4G. I did unlocked it and use everything, photo, video, WhatsApp. The cellphone recognize my SIM Card and network carrier, but I can't make, or receive, calls.
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Welp, TIFU. I bought two of the Moto g4 play at walmart... got home and found out that Verizon locks 4g phones again. Paid for an unlock, found the phone doesn't allow connecting to GSM networks, but that is because even with a GSM sim in the phone it still only connects to Verizon. With my t-mobile sim in the phone, I make a call and get the "your call is being transfered to a representative who will take your credit card info to complete this call". Leave it to verizon to only allow the phone to connect to their network even after you unlock it...
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Well, that's what the Moto E 2nd gen did out of the box as well, they removed the setting to swap CDMA/GSM in the menu, but the folks over in that part of the forum figured out that using the app "Network" from the play store, and a sequence of turning on/off airplane mode, they were able to switch it from CDMA to GSM and make it stick. Otherwise, it would keep trying to connect to Verizon just like you describe.
So it doesn't mean anything that you didn't get it to work immediately after unlocking. You probably have to force it off CDMA in a similar fashion. Bigger issue is whether or not the phone will be able to actually access the appropriate bands you'd need, whether because the hardware doesn't support it or because it is disabled in firmware. We don't really know for sure yet. But if you've come this far and have a penchant for torture but don't want to give up until you know for certain, give it a try!
A co-worker has a lightly used T-Mobile G6 I'm thinking about picking up. Obviously this phone is too new for custom ROMs to be out there yet, and from reading here it looks like there are no custom recoveries either; but when that all starts to happen, will separate custom ROMs have to be created for each carrier variant, or will any ROM run on any carrier variant?
Pardon me if this is a dumb question. I'm coming in from the Nexus 5, which didn't have carrier-specific models. Thanks.
From previous experience there's enough difference between carriers to requirements different ROMs.
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Good questions, I think most of the time this is necessary, but with the S7 for example it wasn't. This is my first LG too so we'll have to wait and see.
I have seen a few instances where two models have been compatible with one another. An old example would be the HTC Inspire 4g with the HTC Desire HD; the former was the domestic US models and the other was foreign. In another case, models both have bootloader unlocked and root available so the community choose to create roms compatible with both revisions.
I found the H850 and H830 (the LG G5?) had cross compatible development in some instances... Also, you could use Nexus 4 roms on the LG Optimus G once you completed the conversion process. I had the Optimus G and loved this capability!
Will it happen again, who knows.... we can only hope! I'm no developer, but just a rom junkie ;-p
But to answer the question directly: from the phones I've owned & read on the forums, you usually have carrier dependent roms. Now it seems more common to have no support on certain models altogether. This is why I sold my Galaxy Note 3 and now the LG G6 from at&t to get an unlocked T-Mobile variant.
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I have seen a few instances where two models have been compatible with one another. An old example would be the HTC Inspire 4g with the HTC Desire HD; the former was the domestic US models and the other was foreign. In another case, models both have bootloader unlocked and root available so the community choose to create roms compatible with both revisions.
I found the H850 and H830 (the LG G5?) had cross compatible development in some instances... Also, you could use Nexus 4 roms on the LG Optimus G once you completed the conversion process. I had the Optimus G and loved this capability!
Will it happen again, who knows.... we can only hope! I'm no developer, but just a rom junkie ;-p
But to answer the question directly: from the phones I've owned & read on the forums, you usually have carrier dependent roms. Now it seems more common to have no support on certain models altogether. This is why I sold my Galaxy Note 3 and now the LG G6 from at&t to get an unlocked T-Mobile variant.
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All the 2014 Moto Quarks run the same custom ROMs.
Droid Turbo XT1254,
U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250,
Moto Turbo XT1225 (India), and
"international" Moto Maxx XT1225 (LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17).
All the way from Lollipop, Marshmallow, and now Nougat.
[ROMs][Quarks][List for Moto Maxx/Moto Turbo and Droid Turbo]
The phones are split between two different XDA forums, but the same ROMs are used by all the phones. The original CM dev @Skrilax_CZ made sure the kernel was cross-compatible, and it's stayed the way ever since.
The Quark was released at the same time as the Moto Nexus 6, and was basically 5.2" version of that phone -- but had a 3900 mAh battery! The Droid Turbo was the best known of the series, but I owned three of the Moto XT1225 as it has all the AT&T LTE bands. For some reason, Motorola changed the model names depending on country/carrier, but they all had the same hardware. The Droid Turbo was actually a CLONE of the U.S. Moto Maxx XT1250, with the same FCC ID and radio bands (LTE/CDMA). The XT1250 would run on Verizon with a Verizon SIM card because it was the EXACT same device. You could cross flash Verizon Motorola stock firmware onto an XT1250 to convert it into a "Droid Turbo" if you wished.
The XT1225 models had different FCC ID and radio, but still all the custom ROMs were compatible with ALL the Quarks, thanks to @Skrilax_CZ talent and foresight. And remains so to this day, even with a bunch of other devs now maintaining a variety of ROMs.
It seems the T-Mobile variant has a locked bootloader (which is not un-lockable). I'm guessing that will probably limit the amount of development for this variation of the G6. The only US model that is un-lockable is the US997 (not the US997 from US Cellular).
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It seems the T-Mobile variant has a locked bootloader (which is not un-lockable). I'm guessing that will probably limit the amount of development for this variation of the G6. The only US model that is un-lockable is the US997 (not the US997 from US Cellular).
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Yeah, I wound up buying unlockable US997s from B&H, passing up T-Mo's $500 buy-one-get-one offer with real regret.
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Yeah, I wound up buying unlockable US997s from B&H, passing up T-Mo's $500 buy-one-get-one offer with real regret.
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Didn't realize the OP was that old. Whoops. Still probably good info to have on the thread.
Got mine from B&H too.