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Vibrant's GPU

Specs and benchmark wise, we all know the Vibrant's GPU is king.
Compared to other Android phones, say a Nexus One, or a G2, where can we see the GPU shine where others can't?
Basically, what can this GPU do that others can't

Gigamaster89 said:
Specs and benchmark wise, we all know the Vibrant's GPU is king.
Compared to other Android phones, say a Nexus One, or a G2, where can we see the GPU shine where others can't?
Basically, what can this GPU do that others can't
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It can do things faster. Both a Prius and Ferrari can drive 100 meters, why is the Ferrari better?

Mark271 said:
It can do things faster. Both a Prius and Ferrari can drive 100 meters, why is the Ferrari better?
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But Ferrari has no practice purpose for as a daily city driver. In the GPU perspective, it's like having a powerful GPU but no software to use the potential.
I believe OP is asking what software can make use of our GPU to its fullest extend.
I say it's emulators, the GPU benefits emulators more than anything.

PaiPiePia said:
But Ferrari has no practice purpose for as a daily city driver. In the GPU perspective, it's like having a powerful GPU but no software to use the potential.
I believe OP is asking what software can make use of our GPU to its fullest extend.
I say it's emulators, the GPU benefits emulators more than anything.
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Essentially, you think the OP is asking what uses a GPU. Anything you see uses the GPU. The Vibrant does it all better. What you can tell the difference on is completely subjective to the person in a lot of ways.

PaiPiePia said:
But Ferrari has no practice purpose for as a daily city driver. In the GPU perspective, it's like having a powerful GPU but no software to use the potential.
I believe OP is asking what software can make use of our GPU to its fullest extend.
I say it's emulators, the GPU benefits emulators more than anything.
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A Ferrari has just as much purpose as any other car?

Mark271 said:
A Ferrari has just as much purpose as any other car?
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Really? Try moving a couch (or an entire house) with one.
Seriously, get the right tool for the right job.
More to the point, if you want to demonstrate the graphical superiority of the Vibrant put some 3D games on it.

Col.Kernel said:
Really? Try moving a couch (or an entire house) with one.
Seriously, get the right tool for the right job.
More to the point, if you want to demonstrate the graphical superiority of the Vibrant put some 3D games on it.
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The purpose of a car is to provide transportation of something faster/easier than other means(walking, bicycle, rollerblading) i.e. convenience . You could move a couch with a Ferrari anyways, I take it you have never looked under a license plate before. (it would also do a lot better job at it than most cars)
Cars were not created to move couches, sorry buddy.
XDA posters are really starting to make me question if it is worth my time to log in.

what a DA
Mark271 said:
Essentially, you think the OP is asking what uses a GPU. Anything you see uses the GPU. The Vibrant does it all better. What you can tell the difference on is completely subjective to the person in a lot of ways.
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not too smart or just playing dumb, but ill play along. the op is asking what best displays the power of the gpu. like i have a ferrari and i want to show how much better than a prius it is, where can i go to show its full power.

Well, the iPhone4 uses the SGX535 for its gpu. The hummingbird uses the superior SGX540. And the G2 uses the Adreno 205. They're all great GPUs, but there's not much software out there which is designed to push it to its limits yet. Most Android games out there are designed to be playable on the NexusOne and Droid, so they're not gonna push the limits just yet.

ID Software is working on a game called RAGE. let's see how well the galaxy s runs this game compared to the nexus one! the gpu is more powerful. it runs faster, pushes more polygons, and has smoother textures. you won't notice any difference until games like RAGE are released. then you'll start to see the difference in these phones. the galaxy s phones, and those running the Tegra2 chipset are going to run away with it.

Mark271 said:
The purpose of a car is to provide transportation of something faster/easier than other means(walking, bicycle, rollerblading) i.e. convenience . You could move a couch with a Ferrari anyways, I take it you have never looked under a license plate before. (it would also do a lot better job at it than most cars)
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Riiiiiiight. So you're not talking about the type of vehicle that Ferrari is famous for, the little 2 seater sports cars.
I'd like to see the pic of you attempting to move a couch with one of those.
Mark271 said:
Cars were not created to move couches, sorry buddy.
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No kidding? That was my original point. Glad your Detect Obvious meter is working today.
Mark271 said:
XDA posters are really starting to make me question if it is worth my time to log in.
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Now this is the first smart thing you've said the entire conversation.
I'm new here, where's the Ignore button? If I want to deal with obnoxious 12 year olds I can go to the Star Wars:TOR boards or 10 billion other places on the 'Net.
NM, found the Ignore button.
Maybe I'm way outta line here but I expect some intelligence on a board devoted to development. Or at the very least, logic.
Now quit derailing this guy's thread. I won't be replying to you.

Leave it to xda to not answer the question at hand.
Mark271 said:
It can do things faster. Both a Prius and Ferrari can drive 100 meters, why is the Ferrari better?
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Sherlock Homes are we? No **** it can do things faster, I'm trying to see what it actually does better/where we can actually see a difference.
Besides, Ferrari > Prius is an opinion.
PaiPiePia said:
But Ferrari has no practice purpose for as a daily city driver. In the GPU perspective, it's like having a powerful GPU but no software to use the potential.
I believe OP is asking what software can make use of our GPU to its fullest extend.
I say it's emulators, the GPU benefits emulators more than anything.
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At least someone gets it.
Mark271 said:
A Ferrari has just as much purpose as any other car?
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Some cars can tow, some cars can go more than 10 miles without having to refuel, some cars can carry 2.5 people, some cars can hold more than a week's grocery, etc. etc. I'm not a doctor, but I am pretty sure the typical supercar can't do any of those.
Mark271 said:
The purpose of a car is to provide transportation of something faster/easier than other means(walking, bicycle, rollerblading) i.e. convenience . You could move a couch with a Ferrari anyways, I take it you have never looked under a license plate before. (it would also do a lot better job at it than most cars)
Cars were not created to move couches, sorry buddy.
XDA posters are really starting to make me question if it is worth my time to log in.
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The irony, it's delicious!

Col.Kernel said:
Riiiiiiight. So you're not talking about the type of vehicle that Ferrari is famous for, the little 2 seater sports cars.
I'd like to see the pic of you attempting to move a couch with one of those.
No kidding? That was my original point. Glad your Detect Obvious meter is working today.
Now this is the first smart thing you've said the entire conversation.
I'm new here, where's the Ignore button? If I want to deal with obnoxious 12 year olds I can go to the Star Wars:TOR boards or 10 billion other places on the 'Net.
NM, found the Ignore button.
Maybe I'm way outta line here but I expect some intelligence on a board devoted to development. Or at the very least, logic.
Now quit derailing this guy's thread. I won't be replying to you.
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I see why Samsung doesn't care about it's smart customers figuring out problems with its devices, it has all these stupid ones that will keep buying it. Any car can tow a couch, you must have never heard of Uhaul.
Back on point, IT IS A GRAPHICS PROCESSOR. Name graphics that need processed and the Vibrant does it better. Movies, video games, youtube high definition videos, ANYTHING you can see on this phone is better than any other non SGS android phone because of it's GPU. It is completely subjective which ones you can tell the difference on, some people can tell the difference between 55 and 60 fps, others cannot tell the difference between 30 and 60

Mark271 said:
I see why Samsung doesn't care about it's smart customers figuring out problems with its devices, it has all these stupid ones that will keep buying it. Any car can tow a couch, you must have never heard of Uhaul.
Back on point, IT IS A GRAPHICS PROCESSOR. Name graphics that need processed and the Vibrant does it better. Movies, video games, youtube high definition videos, ANYTHING you can see on this phone is better than any other non SGS android phone because of it's GPU. It is completely subjective which ones you can tell the difference on, some people can tell the difference between 55 and 60 fps, others cannot tell the difference between 30 and 60
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You're basically asking, what can I do to see the difference between video cards or what will show it? Think about it this way, the g2 has a radeon 4800 and the vibrant has a radeon 4850. They do the same thing, one is better at it.
P.S. I just realized using analogies on the XDA forums is like explaining electromagnetic currents to a psychology major. I don't expect the previous repliers to my post to get this either.

this is like comparing the xbox360 to the xbox, or the ps3 to the ps2. or even better, a 2GHz dual core AMD anthlon cpu vs. the 3.2GHz AMD Phenon x6 multicore processor. they all have the same functions, but the faster more powerful ones do things faster, and more efficiently. we don't see a huge difference in the graphics yet, because there isn't any games that even come close to pushing the galaxy s gpu to it's limits. like i said, the first game that may actually push it, looks to be RAGE, from ID software. other 1GHz phones, such as the EVO 4g, may not be able to play this game considering it has a weaker gpu. whereas, the galaxy s should run this game smoothly. also, RAGE may also include options with the graphics. you may be able to turn on/off certain special effects/graphical features, depending what phone you have. with so many different phones, with a multitude of abilities, games may start being designed for the top of the line phones, with the most powerful cpu/gpus, but may give the ability to tone down the graphics for those with lesser phones. as for now, the gpu in the galaxy s is one of the best, if not the best gpu in today's phones. we don't see it as much as we should for the mere fact that there is nothing that is pushing it to it's limits. it may be a waste for the moment, but at least we are ready to future titles that will push the graphics to it's limits.

nemesys06 said:
this is like comparing the xbox360 to the xbox, or the ps3 to the ps2. or even better, a 2GHz dual core AMD anthlon cpu vs. the 3.2GHz AMD Phenon x6 multicore processor. they all have the same functions, but the faster more powerful ones do things faster, and more efficiently. we don't see a huge difference in the graphics yet, because there isn't any games that even come close to pushing the galaxy s gpu to it's limits. like i said, the first game that may actually push it, looks to be RAGE, from ID software. other 1GHz phones, such as the EVO 4g, may not be able to play this game considering it has a weaker gpu. whereas, the galaxy s should run this game smoothly. also, RAGE may also include options with the graphics. you may be able to turn on/off certain special effects/graphical features, depending what phone you have. with so many different phones, with a multitude of abilities, games may start being designed for the top of the line phones, with the most powerful cpu/gpus, but may give the ability to tone down the graphics for those with lesser phones. as for now, the gpu in the galaxy s is one of the best, if not the best gpu in today's phones. we don't see it as much as we should for the mere fact that there is nothing that is pushing it to it's limits. it may be a waste for the moment, but at least we are ready to future titles that will push the graphics to it's limits.
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Ding ding, somebody gets it.

Gigamaster89 said:
Leave it to xda to not answer the question at hand.
Sherlock Homes are we? No **** it can do things faster, I'm trying to see what it actually does better/where we can actually see a difference.
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Seriously, man? Is it douchebag hour at home? It's a GPU. It's just ****ing faster than other GPUs. It's not going to give you a reach-around if you love it enough.
You want to see actual differences? Go get a friend with an Evo and play Asphalt side by side.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RkfWYxgfU0&p=F9C3D79BA94C26EA&playnext=1&index=18
quit arguing, it makes you all look like idiots in a tech forum...

What is it from my OP that people don't understand?
I explicitly said I know the Vibrant's GPU is better so obviously it's faster, I don't need you to tell me that.
I was asking what it can actually do better because I'm debating on picking up G2 but specs wise, people say the GPU is better. So yeah, it's better, but I would like to know where and how we can see this difference in graphical power. As far as I know, watching movies and playing a majority of the games in the market right now, there is no noticeable difference.
Is that clear enough for you guys? Or maybe the next few idiotic posters can just continue to tell me IT'S FASTER.

Gigamaster89 said:
What is it from my OP that people don't understand?
I explicitly said I know the Vibrant's GPU is better so obviously it's faster, I don't need you to tell me that.
I was asking what it can actually do better because I'm debating on picking up G2 but specs wise, people say the GPU is better. So yeah, it's better, but I would like to know where and how we can see this difference in graphical power. As far as I know, watching movies and playing a majority of the games in the market right now, there is no noticeable difference.
Is that clear enough for you guys? Or maybe the next few idiotic posters can just continue to tell me IT'S FASTER.
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Gonna repeat what I said few posts above, its gotta be emulators.
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Galaxy S II

Hi, I was an andorid user and when i had one i loved it too bits then came windows phone 7 and im not going to lie i loved that more, however I am due a upgrade and the sheer power of the new andorid phones overpower windows phone 7 handsets and adter watching some youtube videos web browising is faster. However I have a few questions, would you recommened it? How is the batter life with e-mail updates constant/instant and few web browsing. My old android x8 had soem lag, has this now been sorted due to the power or is it jsut andorid os?
Thanks

Here's some things to consider with the SGS2. Some of what's listed effects different users to different degrees.
- Display
There's a band on the left side that seems discolored on a gray background at 20% brightness in the dark. Some see it in everyday use, some don't. I'd venture a guess that more don't or the hue and cry would be louder. If you're anal retentive about your display, check out the 60 page thread.
- Wi-Fi
Seems wonky for some users. It may be equipment specific (EG: router) or strangeness with a particular handset. There's a couple of threads running on that.
- 2G/3G/4G
There's some connectivity issues depending on what network you're on. Make sure your location and/or carrier aren't ones people may be having issues with.
- Audio
If you're an audiophile there's a couple of threads on audio performance which, due to a number of factors, has been deemed by pros to be below that of the original Galaxy.
- Camera
There's a bunch of threads on stills and video. Read them if you're a heavy camera user. Biggest issue now is a pink spot showing up photographing white backgrounds in natural light.
- Battery
Average at best. As things currently are, plan on 10-16 hours depending on how you use the phone. There's an issue in 2.3.3. that effects dual-core phones and Samsung's issuing an update to 2.3.4. any day now which is supposed to correct it.
Based on the way I (and only I) use the phone I'm very happy and the above issues either don't bother me or don't effect me. The phone's fast, the display is beautiful, and it's a great all around device. Compare your hot buttons to those of others and if you think you're good, by all means get the phone.

Don't forget the color banding, gradients don't appear smooth but look banded like they did in the 90's with 16 bit color

godutch said:
Don't forget the color banding, gradients don't appear smooth but look banded like they did in the 90's with 16 bit color
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There's a thread on whether the phone's fully using its 24bit capabilities via the display. The theory is that when software is directly addressing the screen its fine. When drivers get involved it drops to 16bit. The same thing happened to the Nexus S and was fixed in 2.3.4. We're hoping the same thing happens.

I would just like to that all you for your comments, so far all the problems are actully scaring me lol. However with all these problems would you still reccommened this phone? If so do you like it more than your previous andorid phone?
Thanks

andoridkiller said:
I would just like to that all you for your comments, so far all the problems are actully scaring me lol. However with all these problems would you still reccommened this phone? If so do you like it more than your previous andorid phone?
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Problems i have none of the above and suggest the ones that do are in a minority as always .
Choice is yours but remember that a forum like tis does not get may saying its brilliant by its very nature those that perceive a problem post those that dont have the problem dont post .
Plus the posters of xxx problem always manage to post multiple threads saying exactly the same .
jje

JJEgan said:
Problems i have none of the above and suggest the ones that do are in a minority as always .
Choice is yours but remember that a forum like tis does not get may saying its brilliant by its very nature those that perceive a problem post those that dont have the problem dont post .
Plus the posters of xxx problem always manage to post multiple threads saying exactly the same .
jje
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+1 nicely put
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andoridkiller said:
I would just like to that all you for your comments, so far all the problems are actully scaring me lol. However with all these problems would you still reccommened this phone? If so do you like it more than your previous andorid phone?
Thanks
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Look, if your just using it as a device that can phone, text, take pics when you need that arent for a magazine or something, play some tunes whilst you are on the bus or whatever, do some modding if you are that way inclined then buy it. If you are fussy about anything like that find something else. People will always find problems with devices like this as they are used to better maybe or compare it to a device thats is specifically for playing music or taking photos. This is a great phone, best i have had and i am well pleased. Just my opinion anyway.

Im so tired of people summing up everyones experience. I have a sgs2 from first batch and I have none of the problems youll find on the first 2-3 pages of threads. Remember like the member above me said, people with complaint threads will post before a postive thread. Complaint threads will get the most attention and see the most post. There might be less then 10 members actually having the problem if you read through the thread.
Display: gradients on screen is really only not that noticable unless your anal. Only time I see it is when I open xda app(takes ages to load on brown screen) and others are seeing it on the intro to angry birds. Not while actually playing but the intro lol. Screen is beautiful and works 99.9% correctly.
Wifi: I have no issues with connection or speed. I download lost of big files daily. Mostly mixtapes and other files usually around a 100mb+. I get connection and my 15-20mbs download no matter where im at in my house.
2g/3g/4g/ My device stays connected through 3g all day. When im actually downloading or using data it switches in 1sec to H+. Real world usage is really fast in North florida but if im playing with speedtest apps I will get mixed reviews.
Audio- I start my music at work around 9am everyday. I work with loud ass dogs and other various animals on a daily basis. Never had a problem with audio coming through my handset and I use the included headphones. At 50% I can hear my audio over barking dogs. In my vehicle with my 2 12s and 1000w amp you can hear me from a block away. Easily matches my wifes iphone4 if not better with poweramps eq.
Camera- No issues here. Just getting back from short trips to jacksonville fl, orlando, and north georgia(mostly ATL) and no pink spots on my photos.
Battery life is all user to user. I myself have the luxury of charging my phone over night unlike others on the website. I can do my heavy using from 9-6 everyday and still have 30-50% when I get home. Music is always playing through headphones(9-6) 2 emails checking hourly, check xda 1000times, browse atleast 20 websites throughout the day and other numerous stuff and can make it home after a work day. If I was anal I could get 2days out of my phone before it actually dies. Remember with android most problems are User Error.
Unless you are in love with Sense, theres no phone that can match it until the next sgs comes out.
BarryH_GEG said:
Here's some things to consider with the SGS2. Some of what's listed effects different users to different degrees.
- Display
There's a band on the left side that seems discolored on a gray background at 20% brightness in the dark. Some see it in everyday use, some don't. I'd venture a guess that more don't or the hue and cry would be louder. If you're anal retentive about your display, check out the 60 page thread.
- Wi-Fi
Seems wonky for some users. It may be equipment specific (EG: router) or strangeness with a particular handset. There's a couple of threads running on that.
- 2G/3G/4G
There's some connectivity issues depending on what network you're on. Make sure your location and/or carrier aren't ones people may be having issues with.
- Audio
If you're an audiophile there's a couple of threads on audio performance which, due to a number of factors, has been deemed by pros to be below that of the original Galaxy.
- Camera
There's a bunch of threads on stills and video. Read them if you're a heavy camera user. Biggest issue now is a pink spot showing up photographing white backgrounds in natural light.
- Battery
Average at best. As things currently are, plan on 10-16 hours depending on how you use the phone. There's an issue in 2.3.3. that effects dual-core phones and Samsung's issuing an update to 2.3.4. any day now which is supposed to correct it.
Based on the way I (and only I) use the phone I'm very happy and the above issues either don't bother me or don't effect me. The phone's fast, the display is beautiful, and it's a great all around device. Compare your hot buttons to those of others and if you think you're good, by all means get the phone.
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intruda119 said:
Display: gradients on screen is really only not that noticable unless your anal. Only time I see it is when I open xda app(takes ages to load on brown screen) and others are seeing it on the intro to angry birds. Not while actually playing but the intro lol. Screen is beautiful and works 99.9% correctly.
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If you call this "not that noticable" I give up :
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(Nexus One vs S2 @ "the Impossible Game" )
Do you think this is a normal IQ for a High End device like the S2?
As to Angry Birds 1 & Rio (and other games too) it is not only noticable in the intros my friend ... if you play them you will see !

Yeah I consider that not noticable in my book.
1st photo is a picture of the battery charging when phone is turned off if I'm correct. I don't stare at my screen when its just charging. In my real world use ill never see that long enough to annoy me.
2nd pic is when its connected to kies. When I actually use keis I'm not looking at the phone. I'm not saying its not there but the first 2 pics is not something I see daily. Im guessing the 3rd is a game but I don't play it. But the gradient is there.
I'm pretty sure I've heard its a software issue and not hardware. I find the pictures you posted funny. It shows me how hard it is to reproduce the gradients. But like I've said before I must have crap standards to accept a phone with imperfections. Can't believe I spent 700 on the best phone out to date.
To me this is a small issue that's resolved with a software update or one of the amazing devs come up with something. We don't have a ton of choices and I rather have gradients on a FEW screens vs what HTC is doing.
I understand that im a early adaptor of a device. Things may be changed/fixed in the next couple of months like nfc or something.
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intruda119 said:
Im so tired of people summing up everyones experience.
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So your solution is to sum up yours and assume your individual device and personal expectations trump all? All hail the king.

Grand Theft Auto : San Andreas LAG

Morning all !
Grand Theft Auto : San Andreas
Did anyone else buy this via the play store yesterday on release ?
When they finally made a usable release !!
1.03 now I think
Does anyone else think the performance is very bad for a new phone that's meant to be one of the more powerful handsets on the market ?
I've tried everything to get the game to run as smooth as it does on the Note 2 and other Mali 400 devices( which look like the can run the game as nice as the iPhone's do ! , the game lets us take control of the Graphics settings but ...everything set to low it runs above 30-40 but looks like a Lego city with no nice effects :crying:
everything on high it runs 10-15 fps.
Just stumbled really ! Is the Snapdragon 800 really not capable of keeping up ?
any suggestions or workarounds would be really appreciated - or even if you can confirm your device is choppy with this game.

that's because the note 2 has a 720p display so on ""max"" its gpu has to draw only 1280x720 pixels, meanwhile the N3 has fullhd display so the cpu has to draw more pixels and you want it to bear with highest settings. That's the bad thing about android - every time a more powerful procesor comes out it gets nerfed down by the more pixel displays, so performance of games stays about the same (sometimes even worsens)
Worst part is the batteries evolve with speed nowhere close to the speed of pixels and cpus evolution
after fullHD I think all companies should take a 2 year break and focus on making more powerful and more power efficient processors + better batteries instead of adding more useless pixels which in normal conditions u can't even see...

mitaka963 said:
that's because the note 2 has a 720p display so on ""max"" its gpu has to draw only 1280x720 pixels, meanwhile the N3 has fullhd display so the cpu has to draw more pixels and you want it to bear with highest settings. That's the bad thing about android - every time a more powerful procesor comes out it gets nerfed down by the more pixel displays, so performance of games stays about the same (sometimes even worsens)
Worst part is the batteries evolve with speed nowhere close to the speed of pixels and cpus evolution
after fullHD I think all companies should take a 2 year break and focus on making more powerful and more power efficient processors + better batteries instead of adding more useless pixels which in normal conditions u can't even see...
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I get that but, how is it that this phone runs more intensive games better than my note 2 would
also in regards to the resolution, I'm having it set to the lowest in game ( looks like minecraft )
But yeah, They should stop being stupid with silly resolutions now, its almost UN-noticeable anymore

side dontryn
dude if u are set on lowest and u have lag, (i see you are using xnote) install latest xnote (version 7, based on ML2) and then try it, I was on xnote 6.0 and did a clean install (with wipe data) and am using the AOSP theme, no other mods/OCs and i just tested cracked SA (1.02) and on highest everything i have REALLY little lag idk, i would tell you to wipe cache but im not a dev and idk what might happen (i dont think anything bad can happen tho) xD
P.S. Are you sure you disabled Power Saving mode because that thing makes graphic intense games lag as **** because it forces cpu and gpu to use lower frequences than their max (to saving battery lol) so of course it will lag

mitaka963 said:
dude if u are set on lowest and u have lag, (i see you are using xnote) install latest xnote (version 7, based on ML2) and then try it, I was on xnote 6.0 and did a clean install (with wipe data) and am using the AOSP theme, no other mods/OCs and i just tested cracked SA (1.02) and on highest everything i have REALLY little lag idk, i would tell you to wipe cache but im not a dev and idk what might happen (i dont think anything bad can happen tho) xD
P.S. Are you sure you disabled Power Saving mode because that thing makes graphic intense games lag as **** because it forces cpu and gpu to use lower frequences than their max (to saving battery lol) so of course it will lag
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Wow - This actually worked a little, the FPS has defiantly gone up quite a bit, Its playable with decent settings now, bit laggy here and there on Max where as before it was just a constant lag fest.
Nah I always make sure my power saving mode is disabled before playing games !
Can i just ask what settings you use for a constant framerate 30-40+ ?
Display ( Heres mine ) this gets 30+ and very little below that
Visual Effects : High
Resolution: 100%
Draw distance: 70%
Shadows: Classic
Car reflections: Low
Ive thanked your prev post tho

(fsdgjakfhgkjhsafdgkjsdhgfjkhsdafsdaf my first thanks *dies*)
just installed fps tracking program
on complete max settings i get 25-30 fps with only sometimes dropping to 16-19fps (btw if you bought game from google play it may be different since its 1.03 and im using 1.02 (no-one has cracked 1.03 yet))
*2 minutes into testing random options*
WHAT THE STIH I GET LOWER FPS WHEN I LOWER DOWN GRAPHICS/VIEW DISTANCE/ RESOLUTION
LMAO
dude I don't think 25-30 fps is unplayable, i know that if you're a pc gamer most things under 60fps look kinda laggy (console peasants and their 30fps with upscaled resolution don't) but on phone it isn't really that noticable. I have no idea why the framerate drop appears at lower settings, am currently using
visual effects high
resolution 100
draw distance 50
shadows classic
car reflections detailed
and it drops to 5-9 fps every 20-30 seconds and it lasts about 5-10 seconds each time
*2 more minutes later*
I can confirm that on highest settings it runs smoother than on mid settings
i don't know how i feel about this...
just tried lowest settings and the program im using (FPS Meter, google play id - com.aatt.fpsm) shows 30-35 fps
ok now i think you were right, this game is fu**ed up
P.S. LOL im so dumb, just noticed, every time i said i was using max i actually had everything max except car reflection which was on detailed instead of max. just tested with max and it has GREAT impact on the fps, whenever a car runs into scene framerate drops from 25-30fps to 10-15 fps.
Ok so after this P.S. i decided to play around with car reflection options. It's the only thing that really changes framerate a lot. When everything else is max and car reflections is off i have stable 30 fps
i didn't get any 40+ fps tho, maybe its the fps tracking program, So i think best settings are everything max with car reflections off

mitaka963 said:
(fsdgjakfhgkjhsafdgkjsdhgfjkhsdafsdaf my first thanks *dies*)
just installed fps tracking program
on complete max settings i get 25-30 fps with only sometimes dropping to 16-19fps (btw if you bought game from google play it may be different since its 1.03 and im using 1.02 (no-one has cracked 1.03 yet))
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Haha, Good post.
I doubt 1.03 is much different apart from fixing the loading issue they had.
Yeah , coming from PC gaming has really given me a bad eye for fps, if its under 30 it drives me wild ! I just love having a silky smooth game
I think that whenever you change some of the settings in game, it needs to be restarted to have the full effect ! Playing around with the settings a lot laggs me a lot more so maybe it just gets a bit confuzzled with all the changes.
I use fps meter too and i think it does actually have a negative impact on the game's fps.
Ive upped everything now to Max apart from car reflections and shadows set to classic, running a smoother 30fps + with a dip every now and then so happier now, its just dissapointing to think the Snap800 cant handle this! But lets hope its just not the best optimized yet and they update it - I think the other 2 GTA games run slightly laggy with the snapdragon chip as its mainly optimized for the Mali gpu's
no doubt i'll continue to play around and if i find something that sorts it, i'll post it here.
but thanks for your help dude, much appreciated :good:

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FYI: The game was closed and restarted AND removed from memory after each graphics change.
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FYI they brought out an update which should fix many issues
And you screenshots are like 100x50px if i try to look at em
hit 'thanks' if i helped you
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Does anybody know what is the problem? Seems to affect only our device...Whyyyyy? I bought myself a GameKlip for this game And it lags even on high settings(not to mention max)
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Ah they should expand... They do on the desktop site.
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Killberty said:
FYI they brought out an update which should fix many issues
hit 'thanks' if i helped you
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The update was to fix the loading crash error nothing was changed in regards to performance
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GeorgEveS said:
Does anybody know what is the problem? Seems to affect only our device...Whyyyyy? I bought myself a GameKlip for this game And it lags even on high settings(not to mention max)
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Try using low effects setting, full everything else, that helped me a lot.. I turn down shadows and reflections too lol.
It's not just our device, it seems more optimised for Mali gpu.. Where as we have the Snapdragon 800 (ironically the best mobile gpu out currently)
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Guys,I lost my save when I updated, I thought I saved it on Cloud, but didn't see that for Cloud saves are the last two in the save menu, I'll give you my "Social Club" acc if you can save your saves on cloud,last mision I did was with Big Smoke on the bike changing those dudes on the train, any save would be ok,I don't have the Nerv to Start from the bottom
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Anyone, Please

what about
limitator of frame?
on or off?
thanks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmSs_wByJc4
Okay, so you can clearly see that this guy has no lags on MAX settings. But he is using the Octa-core version... So I guess poor performance on Qualcomm chipsets?

After official update to KitKat, GTA San Andreas crashes. I try to start the game, then after loading bar reaches half, music stops and the game crashes.
Btw my graph. settings:
visual: low
res: 63%
draw dst: 55%
shadows: off
car reflections: off
With this setting I have great graphics, and have no lag at all.
But can anyone tell me why the game crashes, I tried with reinstalling and everything but with no success?
I'm using v1.03

GTA San Andreas on Galaxy Note 10.1 Gameplay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZEqgWE1EvI

hrvoje334 said:
After official update to KitKat, GTA San Andreas crashes. I try to start the game, then after loading bar reaches half, music stops and the game crashes.
Btw my graph. settings:
visual: low
res: 63%
draw dst: 55%
shadows: off
car reflections: off
With this setting I have great graphics, and have no lag at all.
But can anyone tell me why the game crashes, I tried with reinstalling and everything but with no success?
I'm using v1.03
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I thought I was alone but it seems that KitKat has ruined GTA SA

It doesn't work for me as well... Guess I'll wait for an update for the game to come out...
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Aggressive Method to prevent throating on Stock ROM (Fan)

Ive been so sick of how poorly LG handles software heat management that I decided to create a portable yet practical fan heatsink case for my G3. At the time I didn't want to load any custom ROMs and then mess with the Kernal in order to solve the overheating throating issues we all face with the Stock G3 at some point.
Supplies = Aluminium Foil, Double sided tape, 40mm fan
Heres how I did it with spending less than $10:
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Take a look at the red areas in the picture above, These are the areas (that I believe) are where most of the G3s heat is accumulated.
-I took at least 5 sheets of paper size aluminium foil and I folded and compressed them into a poor man's heatsink about the size of those red areas in the picture.
- After that I was able to snap on the normal backcover with the help of some double sided tape
- Then I put some thermal compound (optional) onto the back cover near the red areas
- Applied 2-3 layers of aluminium foil on top of the thermal compound (or double sided tape)
-Stuck the 40mm on the back cover.
Done, the fan never gets in the way and allows my temps to remain a tad lower.
Let me know if anyone found this interesting so ill post some pics.

Have you tried the CTT MOD (Custom Thermal Throttling)? You have to have ROOT+TWRP installed but it does wonders.
You should definitely try it if throttling really bothers you.

Not sure how effective it is but definitely impressive.

post some pics, thermal compound from pc its ok to the smarphones?

i'd really like to see some pics. this sounds like a great DIY idea for me.

A for effort but this makes no sense . i put in a copper shim and the back never gets hot anymore . all the heat goes to the frame .

Definitely seems rather, coutner intuitive if you ask me.... I can understand putting some sort of 'heat sink' there if it was thin enough, but adding a fan??? That... just completely takes away any and all point to have the phoen be 'slim'. it wont work in 'cases' anymore without cutting a giant hole in the case. It wont fit in some (key word there) docks/car docks. It'll make the phone have a constant 'fan noise' unless you did some magical software tweak that only makes the fan turn on once it hits a certain internal temp... But I doubt that was done. Yea, sure, keeping the phone cool should be a good thing, but this just sounds like one hell of a horrible way to go about it. I do think its awesome that you managed to do it, and it is definitely an interesting way to go about it, but from a practical standpoint, its just obtrusive and inefficient.. As a previous commentor stated, just slip a piece of thin copper or something there and presto, problem solved.
And yea, I'm definitely with you there about the whole 'LG needs to stop being lazy with thermal issues' stuff. I've used many roms in the past with my G3, and I ONLY have a 'heat problem' whenever using roms that are 'close to stock'... which is very annoying... But, most of the time when I'm experiencing such thermal issues, is when I'm in the car and using Torque and Google Maps at the same time. But this is negated thanks to my car's A/C. I just spin the air duct around to face upwards and it blows directly onto the phone and the dock, cooling the phone down considerably.

awesome, ill post some pics once I get a hold of a camera that's not my phone .

My heatsink design, is definitely inefficient, if I had the time and money, I would definitely use better materials. At the time I just did it for fun lol. Thxs for the copper shim idea, I was gonna gravitate towards one of those tiny heatsinks like the ones that are used on the Raspberry Pi, but found it hard to incorporate it in because of the curve plastic.

I didn't even know overheating was a thing on the G3. I've used it pretty heavily, and I've never even felt the slightest bit of warmth. Is this only for certain models? I've got the D850 and you'd think with all the bloatware it'd be likely to heat up even faster. Though it never did on stock, and even now with an international rom it still doesn't. Regardless, that's pretty cool what you did! Never would've thought of it.. Would've been pretty useful on my Nexus 4 though

Frist off sorry for the “enguish”.
I can definitely understand your point, for the majority of “general consumers” who want no frills phone.
But the way I use my “phone” (if you want to describe the device by that small function), tends more towards this device as a true “pocket PC” and because of that I prefer my governor at MAX freq. At that governor I run an multitude of overlays which sum up to using at least ~30%-100% CPU usage FOR WHAT I CONSIDER “CAUSAL USE” (others deff don’t).
In regards to your points on it not even being a portable anymore, I’m trying to work within "reasonable" constraints, and honestly that 40mm fan only adds 10mm of height(that may be too extreme for some but not I). It still fits in my pocket just fine .
The fan currently runs on a slim 1000mah battery and sits underneath the fan (ripped out of battery case).
I can connect the fan to my phone via a 4pin to USB adapter, SO IM CLOSE to FAN PROFILES all I need to do it figure out a way I could vary the voltage output on the G3 (if its possible via the kernel), and then all I need to do is set some custom Tasker strings and BAMB ---> “Fan Profiles”. ---> tbh Still not sure if this can work.
I believe the reason that the G3 has heat issues is not so much in its strict governor (that’s actually supposed to pervert it) but actually its a fundamental fault (or tradeoff) with the G3s thermal design, If you get a chance to see an IFIXIT takedown of the G3, ull see how the (Vol Up/Vol Down + PWD buttons) sort-of choke the 801. I had found some studies comparing temps of various loads among other 801 devices (ill post them once I find them). But I realize the impracticality of the comparison.
And at least for me, most of the AOSP ROMs on my G3 I've flashed I've noticed higher temps ave temps (w/o using it with overlays or anything fancy).
--> Not 100% sure so do call me out im im deff wrong :good:

Citaafox said:
I didn't even know overheating was a thing on the G3. I've used it pretty heavily, and I've never even felt the slightest bit of warmth. Is this only for certain models? I've got the D850 and you'd think with all the bloatware it'd be likely to heat up even faster. Though it never did on stock, and even now with an international rom it still doesn't. Regardless, that's pretty cool what you did! Never would've thought of it.. Would've been pretty useful on my Nexus 4 though
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Yah see the problem is a lot of people don't realize that their phone is overheating because the plastic(along with the back buttons) does not conduct the heat away from the processor fast enough for most to physical feel the immense heat under the hood, therefore causing the CPU to throttle to a slowdown.
If I wasn't confusing enough, heres an example:
HTC One M9 (Metal body (better conductor of heat)) vs LG G3 (plastic)
The HTC One M9 will feel hotter (and thusly more people realize and complain about heat) but the CPU temps will be relatively lower and thus throttle less vs the G3 "feeling" cooler but the CPU temps run much hotter causing throttling.

Topic title = genius

Pfeffernuss said:
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Where do you power the fan exactly ?
EDIT:Sorry I was trying to post but I could only reply ,
I still don't get how this forum works completely.

It would be nice to see some pics

WstrKuNoužč said:
Have you tried the CTT MOD (Custom Thermal Throttling)? You have to have ROOT+TWRP installed but it does wonders.
You should definitely try it if throttling really bothers you.
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Which version would you recommend to use? I'm on cloudy g3 1.2 rom
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mab71 said:
Which version would you recommend to use? I'm on cloudy g3 1.2 rom
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Well, i use 75 degree one and it's great. If you think the phone is too hot for you, you could always try 70, 65 or even stock-like 60 degree one.

Image in the OP is broken, just thought I'd let you know. Although I don't get throttling problems. I heavily underclock the CPU to 960 mHz. One thing I have to agree to would heat issues. About 20 minutes of light use and I'm getting temperatures of about 60 degrees Celsius.
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My opinion about the Z1.

It's been a long time since I held a Sony mobile device.
My psvita looks like a joke compared to it.
The speed and features are stunning and the battery life is not bad at all.
The whole out side body is sturdy and i love the device.
Well done Sony.
Won't be rooting it, wont be modding it for a long time.
Will be looking forward to have more devices from the Z series in my hand.

Compared with ps vita?
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Rly dude?

odie70 said:
Compared with ps vita?
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Compared to several devices i have held and modded.
So far my Z1 is a damn fine device.
If I could run my vita games on her "and yes she has the power" I would.
I know, I know everyone is expecting me to burst out with "what a pile of **** ***** and ****** ** The * *********"
nope i love this device.

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No i'm lying.. pfft.
XD you cannot troll the troll.
On a serious note it's a awesome device.
I just want the textures fixed for doom 3.
:edit and that seems to be fixed after the 5.1.1 update.

I'm very curious about how to made such a perfect FW like this. When I use my Z1, I find it seems to be made by computer like CM buildbot. I guess it's japanese style.
They should know how to google at least.

PielunA said:
I'm very curious about how to made such a perfect FW like this. When I use my Z1, I find it seems to be made by computer like CM buildbot. I guess it's japanese style.
They should know how to google at least.
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I think they spent a lot of time looking at fine detail and features.
I personally wish i could select a much darker theme.
But yeah Sony has always been good at making stuff look sexy.

I'm using a z1 right now the only thing I am not satisfied with is the battery life

Ohhdayumm said:
I'm using a z1 right now the only thing I am not satisfied with is the battery life
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I think the chip is clocked way too high to keep cool and be power efficient unfortunately.
The 3G, LTE radio is set way too fast and this adds more drain and heat.
So in fact the device is cooking itself to death just like the x10 did.

OmegaRED^ said:
I think the chip is clocked way too high to keep cool and be power efficient unfortunately.
The 3G, LTE radio is set way too fast and this adds more drain and heat.
So in fact the device is cooking itself to death just like the x10 did.
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Yea you are right my phone heats up while using data very quickly and the battery drains

Ohhdayumm said:
Yea you are right my phone heats up while using data very quickly and the battery drains
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They could pull down the speed on the 3G/LTE radio more.
As over 1MB a sec is overkill.
And i think this will be the thing that makes me root and drop in a custom kernel.
:edit
So yeah I suggest adding a 3G/LTE speed limiter in future builds for the phone.

Z1 is one of the best devices in the market

OmegaRED^ said:
They could pull down the speed on the 3G/LTE radio more.
As over 1MB a sec is overkill.
And i think this will be the thing that makes me root and drop in a custom kernel.
:edit
So yeah I suggest adding a 3G/LTE speed limiter in future builds for the phone.
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Cant relate to it. My Z1 is around 25 degrees in standby (battery) and CPU less than 40 degrees with ambient temp of 20-22 degrees. All power saving functions disabled and no queue for data. With use battery is 30-35 seldom reaches 40 and CPU between 45 and 60 depending on work. It's even less when on 4G instead of 4G + WiFi. I also got tons of background services running constantly like Adguard Premium (high quality for all apps filtering), KIS Security checking all connections and all file operations, Whatsapp, KiK, Messenger, Dumpster, GSAM monitor, ACR, Apex Launcher, AppLock, Clipper+, Gmail, Gravity Screen (proximity auto lock/unlock for flipcover), Greenify, HeadsOff, Notifyer+, TrueCaller, Type Machine, Weather Timeline, KCAL LCD calibrator and more.
Screen brightness 40-45%, sound enhancements on, X-Reality off, SOT around 4 hours (includes around 50 photos captured, photo editing on mobile and more).
Only time ever it heats to the battery to 45 degrees and CPU to 70-72 degrees is when clearing dalvik cache and it rebuilds it at boot (ambient temp 25).

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Cant relate to it. My Z1 is around 25 degrees in standby (battery) and CPU less than 40 degrees with ambient temp of 20-22 degrees. All power saving functions disabled and no queue for data. With use battery is 30-35 seldom reaches 40 and CPU between 45 and 60 depending on work. It's even less when on 4G instead of 4G + WiFi. I also got tons of background services running constantly like Adguard Premium (high quality for all apps filtering), KIS Security checking all connections and all file operations, Whatsapp, KiK, Messenger, Dumpster, GSAM monitor, ACR, Apex Launcher, AppLock, Clipper+, Gmail, Gravity Screen (proximity auto lock/unlock for flipcover), Greenify, HeadsOff, Notifyer+, TrueCaller, Type Machine, Weather Timeline, KCAL LCD calibrator and more.
Screen brightness 40-45%, sound enhancements on, X-Reality off, SOT around 4 hours (includes around 50 photos captured, photo editing on mobile and more).
Only time ever it heats to the battery to 45 degrees and CPU to 70-72 degrees is when clearing dalvik cache and it rebuilds it at boot (ambient temp 25).
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4G seems less problematic than 3G.
Low signal also effects heat.
Try playing Nova 3.
The phone turns into a nuclear reactor.

Yeah.. Now i am raging..
This phone is a cancer to unlock... Its a pain to figure out what roms will work and a total witch to fine tune. My s4mini took 1 day to get on a fully stable custom rom.
Idk wtf sony is thinking.. The cpu clock is way to high and the heat output is brutal.
Not everyone lives in a liquid nitrogen jar.
.

You live in the djungle or? How hot is the weather Tarzan?

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You live in the djungle or? How hot is the weather Tarzan?
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Its about 25 to 30*c ambiently normally.
Plus with the increase in heat from global warming i see a sad future ahead for mobile chip developers.
My sgs4 mini never overheated this badly even when clocked to 2GHz
Im hoping that there is something i can do like disable 2 of the cores or drop the clock a bit once i finally get it properly on a custom rom else me and this device are going to be tough on each other.
My X10i also bloody overheated like this when downloading over 3G or gaming heavy stuff it drove me insane.

OmegaRED^ said:
Its about 25 to 30*c ambiently normally.
Plus with the increase in heat from global warming i see a sad future ahead for mobile chip developers.
My sgs4 mini never overheated this badly even when clocked to 2GHz
Im hoping that there is something i can do like disable 2 of the cores or drop the clock a bit once i finally get it properly on a custom rom else me and this device are going to be tough on each other.
My X10i also bloody overheated like this when downloading over 3G or gaming heavy stuff it drove me insane.
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Well I do agree they are putting in and/or clocking CPUs at such levels the heat dissipation aint really adequate and thus makes phones throttle CPU/GPU. Just look at early SD810 equipped mobiles. They IRL with random above normal workload performed worse than A SD800 equipped phone due to constantly throttling creating hitches. They design thermal dissipation to just be enough for benchmarks (where many are worthless and or easy to cheat 'legally'). Few mobiles you can run at 100% CPU and GPU load without them throttling at some point, earlier or later. Though the Z1 has quite good thermal characteristics and throttling should seldom if ever happen unless something is locking the CPU and GPU to 100% for prolonged periods.
For normal use, movies 4k, Youtube it is far from reaching throttling levels. Games I cant comment since I dont play on my mobile. Not interested and my opinion is almost all games are coded in a ****ty way using unecessary resources and the fact you cant even chose render resolution ingame is ridicolous. A game like Prey for PC would be perfectly doable on the SD800 at 1080 yet no Android game even comes close to such visuals.

EQ2000 said:
Well I do agree they are putting in and/or clocking CPUs at such levels the heat dissipation aint really adequate and thus makes phones throttle CPU/GPU. Just look at early SD810 equipped mobiles. They IRL with random above normal workload performed worse than A SD800 equipped phone due to constantly throttling creating hitches. They design thermal dissipation to just be enough for benchmarks (where many are worthless and or easy to cheat 'legally'). Few mobiles you can run at 100% CPU and GPU load without them throttling at some point, earlier or later. Though the Z1 has quite good thermal characteristics and throttling should seldom if ever happen unless something is locking the CPU and GPU to 100% for prolonged periods.
For normal use, movies 4k, Youtube it is far from reaching throttling levels. Games I cant comment since I dont play on my mobile. Not interested and my opinion is almost all games are coded in a ****ty way using unecessary resources and the fact you cant even chose render resolution ingame is ridicolous. A game like Prey for PC would be perfectly doable on the SD800 at 1080 yet no Android game even comes close to such visuals.
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Im a gamer that often ends up putting a device thru the acid test via extended gaming.
The heat generated in the Z1 is not good and could easily damage the hardware over time.
Now this concerns me as a device that can run games should not just be able to do this for demo purposes alone... Thats cheating. Sacrificing stability and device life expectancy for a mere chart topping benchmark score or to merely capture the eye of a consumer. Thats cheating and not a welcome trait.
Losing my respect for sony again.
The fact that the psvita was canned so early too.
It's not funny. Nova 3, neon shadow, all use unity.
Doom3 using Diii4A for example is nearly the same engine used for prey and the game runs flawlessly on the sd800 but the heat... Even when lowering the quality brutally the throttle on the cpu is too high. Nova 3 sadly has no quality settings so the 1080p resolution brings brutal overheating.

OmegaRED^ said:
Im a gamer that often ends up putting a device thru the acid test via extended gaming.
The heat generated in the Z1 is not good and could easily damage the hardware over time.
Now this concerns me as a device that can run games should not just be able to do this for demo purposes alone... Thats cheating. Sacrificing stability and device life expectancy for a mere chart topping benchmark score or to merely capture the eye of a consumer. Thats cheating and not a welcome trait.
Losing my respect for sony again.
The fact that the psvita was canned so early too.
It's not funny. Nova 3, neon shadow, all use unity.
Doom3 using Diii4A for example is nearly the same engine used for prey and the game runs flawlessly on the sd800 but the heat... Even when lowering the quality brutally the throttle on the cpu is too high. Nova 3 sadly has no quality settings so the 1080p resolution brings brutal overheating.
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Well pretty much all brands have phones that throttle early even the Iphone. If anything Sony phones are those that take the longest time to throttle due to relatively good design, aluminium besel and rigid 'heatsink' plate. Though it varies depending on SoC.