Hi all, after watching some videos of the SDK for HC, I have been both surprised and disappointed because I expected a revolution most notorious for this new OS and only seem to alter the appearance like Touchwizz style and I am surprised that the optimization by Tiamat, in my opinion provides a perfect scenario, much more possibilities both in appearance and applications than ICS
somevideos from SDK ICS Tablets
http://es.engadget.com/2011/10/19/un-primer-vistazo-a-ice-cream-sandwich-para-tablets/
I'm definitely happy with ICS. The improvements are good for phones. For tablets, think of it as a refinement to Honeycomb.
In anycase ICS does really deliver on Google's promise to unify phones and tablets.
I agree with you, for smartphone is an excellent update has new features, although almost everything is extrapolated from the HC
It was really meant for phones.
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It was really meant for phones.
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How do you figure that?
I frankly don't know what you were expecting exactly. This is an update to an existing OS, not a new OS. And there are a LOT of changes under the hood that haven't been really discussed at the Samsung/Google event. Something like turning the Recent button into an actual Task Manager is a very nice features. Built-in screenshot capabilities is another long-time requested feature that is in ICS. Sure, a lot of the other changes are targeted at phones, but Android is first of all a mobile device OS.
Look at http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-4.0-highlights.html for a closer detail at changes in 4.0. And look at all the non-visible, under-the-hood changes that are nonetheless major, even if they do not represent any visual or end-user impact at first: http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-4.0.html
To me, ICS looks exactly what it should have been: first of all a serious spit-shine done at Android, giving the bit of polish people often complained it lacked. And it also brings a lot of new goodies to the table.
Its because we have some of the features on our tablets that our phones had to live without....
I'm going to be happy when our tablets run most apps on the market like phones without issue.
Slightly unrelated note: Andy Rubin said at AsiaD that ICS should be opensourced a few weeks after the Galaxy Nexus launch. That will allow ROM modders to come up to plenty of new features for our tablets.
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I'm definitely happy with ICS. The improvements are good for phones. For tablets, think of it as a refinement to Honeycomb.
In anycase ICS does really deliver on Google's promise to unify phones and tablets.
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Agreed. Actually, ICS is what honeycomb should have been. Motorola actually rushed Google for the developement of 3.0 to release with the xoom. Anyways that's their reasoning for not releasing the source for HC and why they are going to be releasing the code for ICS. They didn't want people to developed a platform that was rushed.
Rushed or not it works great as a tablet os.
There is alot of honeycomb in ics you can easily tell that hc was a transitional os but alot better than most other transitional OS's like.....windows ME or vista....so not sure how rushed it was.
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Hi all, after watching some videos of the SDK for HC, I have been both surprised and disappointed because I expected a revolution most notorious for this new OS and only seem to alter the appearance like Touchwizz style and I am surprised that the optimization by Tiamat, in my opinion provides a perfect scenario, much more possibilities both in appearance and applications than ICS
somevideos from SDK ICS Tablets
http://es.engadget.com/2011/10/19/un-primer-vistazo-a-ice-cream-sandwich-para-tablets/
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Uh, no. I think if you were disappointed than your expectations were too high. If you've used Honeycomb, then very little in ICS should surprise you, given that Google is simply using ICS as a vehicle to link phones with the work already accomplished on their tablet OS. Honeycomb is great, and I look forward to getting ICS on both my Nexus S and my Xoom, given that Honeycomb (to me) is superior in almost every way to Gingerbread.
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I disagree. We lost features. The central complaint about the original Galaxy Tab was that it was basically a big phone. Not much has changed with Honeycomb and until very recently, that big phone had more functionality than our devices (which are bigger big phones.)
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Calling any iteration of Android "rushed" demonstrates a misunderstanding of Google's core development philosophy.
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Rushed or not it works great as a tablet os.
There is alot of honeycomb in ics you can easily tell that hc was a transitional os but alot better than most other transitional OS's like.....windows ME or vista....so not sure how rushed it was.
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Again Motorola pushed google for a tablet os to produce the xoom. Again, its their reason for not releasing the source for HC. Source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)#Licensing
Jellybean will focus more on tablets. With a plethora of quad core tablets about to be unleashed, devs should jump at the chance to develop richer applications that can harness the power of 4 cores.
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I disagree. We lost features. The central complaint about the original Galaxy Tab was that it was basically a big phone. Not much has changed with Honeycomb and until very recently, that big phone had more functionality than our devices (which are bigger big phones.)
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Galaxy tab was a big phone..just as the ipad was. They are both running os built for phones....hc is nothing like a phone and was built with tablets in mind. So the comparision is kinda ridiculous.
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Again Motorola pushed google for a tablet os to produce the xoom. Again, its their reason for not releasing the source for HC. Source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)#Licensing
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I am fully aware of the history. But it was far from a bad release and does not feel rushed. It fits perfect. And ics is not filling very many holes in hc. So if you don't like hc then I'm afraid you wont like ics.
All they did was merge hc with the phone world and eliminated the phone only part. Ics is hc with a dialpad.
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Wow...I agree with you...crazy
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Wow...I agree with you...crazy
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So are you both saying that Google would never in a million years push production of a product while omitting some features to make a deadline? If honeycomb was what Android 3.0 was always meant to be, then Google would have had no problem with releasing the source for it as they have been doing for all previous versions. If you really understood androids history, then you either have insider knowledge or are demonstrating a misunderstanding of reality.
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So are you both saying that Google would never in a million years push production of a product while omitting some features to make a deadline? If honeycomb was what Android 3.0 was always meant to be, then Google would have had no problem with releasing the source for it as they have been doing for all previous versions. If you really understood androids history, then you either have insider knowledge or are demonstrating a misunderstanding of reality.
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Release early, release often is a core google philosophy.
The lack of a honeycomb source release has nothing to do with being "rushed". According to Rubin, it was to prevent the proliferation of phones with a non-phone optimized OS.
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http://androidandme.com/2010/11/news/verizon-motopad-first-to-launch-with-honeycomb-android-3-0/
Freaking gingerbread isn't out yet and there are rumors already on honeycomb, just thought I'd share
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Kind of reminds me of the NBA and free agent signings. Even if there isn't a story at all the writers just make up some stupid idea w/ some fake sources and post it as something concrete. Don't feed the lies brotha' stay strong and resist even acknowledging the honeycomb lies no matter how stupid they may be.
Correct me if I'm wrong but inst 3.0 (honeycomb) specifically for Tablets while 2.3 (gingerbread) is specifically for smaller screens such as phones and they are being worked on simultaneously thats why they are coming back to back?
i actually feel the same way, honey comb wasn't announced till the sudden spike of interest in pushing tablets, and they drop the build version of gingerbread from 3.0 to 2.3
So what I am understanding is that honeycomb will be for tablets only?
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I think Honeycomb is going to be tailored for tablets as well but I doub't they'll split it off 100%. Kinda how iOS 4.2 is going to be for both the iPad and the iPhone/iPod Touch but the versions for each type of device differenciate at some level to provide a better experience for each.
There is nothing different happening here than what has happened with each release of android.
When one release is cut (Froyo), the line is moved into open development (AOSP), and the next line (Gingerbread) begins development behind closed doors and is considered "experimental" line. Things that don't make the cut for Gingerbread release stay "live" in the experimental line.
This happens for EVERY RELEASE CUT. Development for android has always happened in two iterations. Some features developed for the second iteration sometimes make their way into the first iteration.
Current android works on tablets, but because there is very little tablets out it's not focused on, this is nothing like the iOS situation of having two versions of the OS.
The reason apps don't "work" properly on tablets is that developers simply haven't bothered to creat tablet sized layouts (LARGE/MDPI and Large/LDPI).
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So what I am understanding is that honeycomb will be for tablets only?
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yup unless some ports it for smaller screens
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yup unless some ports it for smaller screens
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Speculation only either way.
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Speculation only either way.
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True that.....
But they say, it's for the tablets. :-(
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/05/google-shows-off-android-3-0-the-entirely-for-tablet-honeycom/
EDIT : hopefully , we'll get video chat this time.
I'm actually happy its just for tablets. Tablets need something to make the special beyond "just big phones"
Plus I couldn't imagine how weird it would be with capacitive screen buttons on the phone but honeycomb virtual screen buttons as well?
Well played Google... Well played
Oh yes... sweet yes... portable?
Who knows.
agree 100%. theres got to be something that differentiates tablets and phones. google is moving in that direction. i only hope that there will be a version of HC that will run on phones in a "translated" form to make it more usable on a mobile interface.
Clueless on how to cope with two different sets... but seems they don't give ..... about it.
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sigh, it does NOT say tablet only, it says designed for tablets, a whole of difference.
Told y'all the CNN Honeycomb article leaned toward tablets: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10001097#post10001097
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Told y'all the CNN Honeycomb article leaned toward tablets: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=10001097#post10001097
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have you never heard of marketing?
"designed for tablets" is marketing bs. Until someone shows a significant change in the tablet and cell phone hardware, it will continue to be bs. A few applications will need to be changed (like GMail) but the rest is marketing.
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have you never heard of marketing?
"designed for tablets" is marketing bs. Until someone shows a significant change in the tablet and cell phone hardware, it will continue to be bs. A few applications will need to be changed (like GMail) but the rest is marketing.
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The screen size is that significant change. It requires quite different application layout concepts (which in turn require OS support).
It could well be, that honeycomb development is focused solely on tablet issues (like being in essence sort of gingerbread "tablet edition") and is worthless in the smartphone context.
Again, Andy Rubin at D: Dive into the mobile said the focus was on tablet but that the new views/pane could be adapted to phones.
That being said wouldn't be to surprise if we have to wait until Google I/O for some of this eyecandy on cell phones.
Oh and Gtalk Video is there...
Honeycomb looks great. I agree that "designed for tablets" its good marketing. They can play the angle that the ipad was based on a phone OS & Honeycomb has been built for the ground up with tablets in mind.
My guess (or atleast what I hope) is that Google will announce Honeycomb for phones as well. They would share the same UI just with one designed for smaller screens in mind. Ideally the phone OS wouldn't need the dual core processing (so fragmentation doesn't kick in). And this way both tablets and phones share the same platform making it a bit easier for developers. Ofcourse this is just the way I am dreaming things up but it does make a bit of sense with Google making Gingerbread 2.4 after all the initial speculation that it would be 3.0. It makes me wonder if Gingerbread was rushed in order to get the next Nexus flagship phone out before the holidays.
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They can play the angle that the ipad was based on a phone OS & Honeycomb has been built for the ground up with tablets in mind
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Sure the markets will play that angle I'm sure. Of course the reality is that the iPad was actually designed before the iPhone. So the iPhone is using a tablet OS, not the other way around!
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Honeycomb looks great. I agree that "designed for tablets" its good marketing. They can play the angle that the ipad was based on a phone OS & Honeycomb has been built for the ground up with tablets in mind.
My guess (or atleast what I hope) is that Google will announce Honeycomb for phones as well. They would share the same UI just with one designed for smaller screens in mind. Ideally the phone OS wouldn't need the dual core processing (so fragmentation doesn't kick in). And this way both tablets and phones share the same platform making it a bit easier for developers.
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Provided el goog did not invent any new kind of wheel, I think it is quite safe to assume, that honeycomb "tablet edition" changes are geared to support those new additional screen layouts typical to the tablets.
Like currently developer can define several different layouts, for example one for portrait and one for landscape, screen form factor, docking state, night/day mode etc.
So, there will be additional modes for tablets. And additional UI controls utilizing those modes.
Then google will need to modify all the system apps, I think this makes the most of the honeycomb overhead. To do it properly it is by far not enough to "inflate" your present smartphone apps. Samsung already hacked this into the most of the apps shipped with galaxy tab.
It is actually quite boring if you look at it from the smartphone point of view. More like the new UI skin if at all.
only (put your curse here) would presume Google is ditching the mobile phones to tablets by providing new 'cool' updates to tablets and let the phones rot. almost every person has a phone not every person has a tablet or planning on getting one. Not very good for Google business, so they won't keep (put any Android version here) exclusive to a certain platform.
So this means that Gingerbread 2.3 will remain the flagship OS for phones till the year end or will the Dual Core Motorola Atrix & Optimus 2X can have 3.0 sometime later
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So this means that Gingerbread 2.3 will remain the flagship OS for phones till the year end or will the Dual Core Motorola Atrix & Optimus 2X can have 3.0 sometime later
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No. All this means is that 3.0 will be shipping on some tablets in a few months. We don't yet know anything about Android releases for phones beyond Gingerbread.
damn right it looks great!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CenYofDGwoU
edit: thank god that now the confusion that many have regarding the difference between "gingerbread" and "android 3.0" will be cleared up. yes, there are folks like that :eek
Perhaps facets of the UI are Tablet only.
What a stupid thing it would be to fragment Android even further.
Nice UI..BB Playbook task switching still is miles ahead in terms of wow factor and ease of switching.
The apps themselves look great. Once again I have great fear of these 3d aspects bogging things like the Froyo Gallery.
If it doesnt load at lightning speed they will be guilty of overshooting the programming for available HW.
I cant see that UI running smoothly on any current phone including the Nexus S.
The real question, which has yet to have a definitive answer, is when can i actually buy something that runs this?!
Its safe to say that I will be picking up a tablet with Honeycomb this year.
hey all, i found this little guy floating around cyberspace and though maybe we should sign, who knows we can try right?
http://www.petitiononline.com/honey30/
Why? It will be released when it's ready.
This is dumb. Why would they release it before its done?
People are angry because the xoom has honeycomb, and honeycomb hasnt been released.
The xoom has an unfinished build of honeycomb. The SD card slot doesn't even work yet.
Also, when you say things like "found this floating around", when in reality you actually created it yourself... That doesn't help you gain any support.
Yea because google is somehow required to release honeycomb to the public, grow up
Okay, I know that everyone is infuriated by this petition. But there are still many devs that would enjoy making the source better by working on it now. Not to mention larger companies would like to have the source like barnes and noble and notion ink. It would just be nice if google posted the source with a disclaimker kf its problems
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This is dumb. Why would they release it before its done?
People are angry because the xoom has honeycomb, and honeycomb hasnt been released.
The xoom has an unfinished build of honeycomb. The SD card slot doesn't even work yet.
Also, when you say things like "found this floating around", when in reality you actually created it yourself... That doesn't help you gain any support.
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Totally agree with you...
Google have some very good reasons for not releasing the source code. Mainly it's because of a key change in their strategy AGAINST the open source nature you love.
They are worried about issues like fragmentation and want to ensure anyone picking up an android device will feel its a 'high quality' device. By releasing the source code anyone can do what they like with it and some devices will fail badly. This makes android look bad. By keeping the source code in house Google can control who develops it and who can use it in their devices. This is all an attempt to maintain a 'high quality' feel to devices running android.
I know this goes against the open source nature everyone says Google has but at the end of the day they REALLY want to dominate the mobile OS war. I dont think a little online petition will send them running to think about their actions and then return to hand over the source code.
Agreed its unfinished. Why would you release code on an unfinished product? This is not about open source or fragmentation, blah blah blah. Its the fact they shoehorned Android on a tablet to compete with the iPad. When the code is finished they'll release it. For now we have gingerbread
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Google have some very good reasons for not releasing the source code. Mainly it's because of a key change in their strategy AGAINST the open source nature you love.
They are worried about issues like fragmentation and want to ensure anyone picking up an android device will feel its a 'high quality' device. By releasing the source code anyone can do what they like with it and some devices will fail badly. This makes android look bad. By keeping the source code in house Google can control who develops it and who can use it in their devices. This is all an attempt to maintain a 'high quality' feel to devices running android.
I know this goes against the open source nature everyone says Google has but at the end of the day they REALLY want to dominate the mobile OS war. I dont think a little online petition will send them running to think about their actions and then return to hand over the source code.
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What? You are completely wrong.
Honeycomb ISNT FINISHED. It has nothing to do with fragmentation. Google's new stance wont even effect the end user or even rom devs much, its simply to stop big companies from slapping their own terrible UI over the top.
The honeycomb source will be released when its good and ready. I'm pretty sure Google are required by law to release it anywany so just be patient.
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its simply to stop big companies from slapping their own terrible UI over the top.
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Galaxy Tab 8.9 and the new 10.1 have TouchJizz 4.0 all over them.
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its simply to stop big companies from slapping their own terrible UI over the top.
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Its actually to discourage them from doing it.
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What? You are completely wrong.
Honeycomb ISNT FINISHED. It has nothing to do with fragmentation. Google's new stance wont even effect the end user or even rom devs much, its simply to stop big companies from slapping their own terrible UI over the top.
The honeycomb source will be released when its good and ready. I'm pretty sure Google are required by law to release it anywany so just be patient.
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Completely wrong! The chief editor of engadget agrees that there is huge pressure for Google to change their strategy. Have a look at this article he wrote...
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/09/editorial-androids-problem-isnt-fragmentation-its-contamina/
He says exactly the same as me, except I took it one step further by suggesting this is the reason Honeycomb hasn't been released yet. I agree with you that honeycomb still has improvements to be made before its source is released. I just don't believe that's all there is to it. There are other considerations too!
Also note this was released today, after my my comment was made
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Galaxy Tab 8.9 and the new 10.1 have TouchJizz 4.0 all over them.
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The touchwiz ux on the tabs looks real nice. Much easier to tell what some things do. Just my opinion.
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Cyanogen himself said Honeycomb was probably a pile of hacks. Google needs to clean it up a little before we get a bunch of half assed horrible android tablets. I just wish they would put a hardware requirement and requires companies to update their devices at least once (like 2.2 -> 2.3) in a timely manner (like 2-3 months after the code is pushed to AOSP)
I am planning to buy a galaxy tab 10.1. But i am a little bit confused here. Some of my friend told me that Untill ICS is released dont buy a Android Tab because HC will not get much apps and all developers are waiting for ICS.
Is ICS worth waiting for??
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i should grab one as soon as i can?? will Samsung give an upgrade to ICS??
---I am sure a noob in android as i havent used any android devices before.----
There's a good chance Samsung will update the Tab to ICS but there's no way of being sure.
It's a headline device, it would be bad press to leave it stuck on an older version of Android.
The Tab 10.1 is a great tablet, wonderful hardware but depending on what your needs are, it might be worth waiting for the 7.7 which will have a better screen and better CPU.
I just got the Galaxy Tab and I am completely satisfied with it. I feel ICS will come when it's ready.
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yup, also hoping that the tab will be upgradable to ICS
We really don't know much about ics yet. As for apps it will still be the same until devs start developing more for tablets.
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We really don't know much about ics yet. As for apps it will still be the same until devs start developing more for tablets.
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It will have some effect on app availability.
ICS combines Gingerbread and Honeycomb into a single OS, so apps that work on phones will work on tablets.
The other thing it seems set to spark is the leap into phones with WXGA screens (ie the same res as the Tab), which means that apps designed to run natively on those phones will work fine on tablets - it really is a matter of tablets being over-sized phones.
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It will have some effect on app availability.
ICS combines Gingerbread and Honeycomb into a single OS, so apps that work on phones will work on tablets.
The other thing it seems set to spark is the leap into phones with WXGA screens (ie the same res as the Tab), which means that apps designed to run natively on those phones will work fine on tablets - it really is a matter of tablets being over-sized phones.
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I dont think ICS will ever come to tab 10.1. Big companies behave badly towards their customers, and Samsung is a big, very big player now. People still wait for Samsung to release a Gingerbread update to their Gtab 7 around the world. Some have received it and some installed themselves. One of their froyo updates had wifi issues and they havent even bother to fix it. Samsung releases too many devices within a short period of time. Companies with lesser amount of models try to give their best to the customers. Samsung will go on releasing new Tab models and forget the older ones. I will be surprised if the contrary happens.
There's a couple of awesome devs in this forum that will make sure we get ICS regardless of Samsung intentions.
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There's a couple of awesome devs in this forum that will make sure we get ICS regardless of Samsung intentions.
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+1 Always trust the community
I too think Samsung will never release ICS for this device... Tablet technology goes forward so fast that Tab 10.1 will be obsolete in a few months... and that is very unfortunate.
You are forgetting one thing, Google announced at IO that they made a agreement with most large manufacturers (including Samsung) to provide updates to the latest Android version at least for 18 months after device launch . So Samsung must update the GT10.1 to ICS at some point.
That scheme was mooted but hasn't been implemented in any way.
There are no guarantees of receiving support for a device for a particular length of time.
Apps are apps...they can be tweaked to work with any version of Android post 2.2, really. We don't know that ICS is going to be the holy grail or anything.
I think the same rule applies here that would to any gadget: if you want/need one now then go get one. There will always be something newer/shinier/better released in a few months that will make you more appealing to the opposite sex and make your life utterly complete. Worrying that you don't have the absolute latest toy is missing the point of using the things entirely.
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It will have some effect on app availability.
ICS combines Gingerbread and Honeycomb into a single OS, so apps that work on phones will work on tablets.
The other thing it seems set to spark is the leap into phones with WXGA screens (ie the same res as the Tab), which means that apps designed to run natively on those phones will work fine on tablets - it really is a matter of tablets being over-sized phones.
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But, if an app is developed for say 4inch phones, it will look distorted or pixelated no matter what os your running.
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Not if they have the same screen resolution.
get the tablet. ICS will be out before the next Samsung tablet. The galaxy tab 7.7 is not going to be sold in the united states.
thanx for help buddies. I have decided to buy a GTab10.1 .
google has been organizing developer days to get android developers hyped up and taught about the features of honeycomb as well as having a tablet/phone single app and having features be backwards/fowards compatible.
it's surprisingly not that hard to update an app to look reasonable on a tablet
ICS will be open-source. Enough said.
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ICS will be open-source. Enough said.
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We hope......
With the release of Ice Cream comes the "merger" of the Android OS. One OS for both tablets and phones. But Google isn't quite that interested in tablets right now, it wants to work more at developing phones with it's acquired Motorola and partnership with Samsung. And with good reason.
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http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/20/tech/...ablets-wired/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn
all speculation
I agree with rmxo it is all speculation, to be fair I can see how tablets are less lucrative than phones. People seem to think google is something more than a business.
Not that I wouldn't like to see ICS on the galaxy tab I suspect this awesome community will a get ics rom cooked before an official tab build gets released.
I actually think samsung should be on googles back regarding ics on the tab.
That's bull****. If Google didn't "care about tablets", they wouldn't have spent millions on Honeycomb development, risked alienating the user base by locking up source code, etc.
They care a great deal about tablets. They just weren't ready for tablets at the same time the manufacturers were ready to start making them.
There's a big difference.
the article's author's opinion is really biased imo...
so.. nah... if Google decides to do this which imo won't happen... they are pissing a lot of people off...
if google doesn't care about tablets... why bother making ICS 1280x720 as a default resolution?
Ridiculous. In terms of development, you focus on phones because it is a larger market, but failing to see the rise of the next big mass media device (tablets) is not the problem Google has here. They simply are saying, right now, we are focusing on bringing the tablet experience to phones. They are making development on both platforms more efficient with single dev on ICS. Tablets likely weren't talked big because really, ICS is HC for phones AND tablets. And although it brings more features that HC does not have, it is more or less HC at it's core experience.
Asus already announced the Transformer Prime and original transformer will have ICS by end of Dec.
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Asus Transformer - 3.2 Revolver
Why did you post this here? It's pure speculation by one tech analyst, and has basically nothing to do with this forum.
Stupid article. Sometimes these tech writers have to make logic leaps to justify a story.
At first i thought it was curious that they didnt even mention tablets. Then it started to make sense.
1, this was a samsung and google event. It was supposed to highlight ICS and samsung's latest and greatest hardware. Showing a prototype Xoom would have taken away from samsung and you cant do that.
2, this was also google's opportunity to counter iOS 5. Sorta phone vs. phone. Ipad 3 is on the horizon and why would Google show their cards this early in the game. ICS is ready for tablets but I'm sure there will be a more advanced version released in a few months (around the time Ipad3 shows up) that will add new features.
I'm tired of "journalists" who write articles full of speculation and opinion and then arrive at some concrete 'conclusion' based on nothing but whatever thoughts flitted between their ears. Perhaps it's just me, but it seems like the vast majority of "technology journalists" are brain-dead iJobs fanboys looking to grind an axe and make Android as unattractive to the masses as they possibly can. It's like they're all part of some out-of-control confirmation bias machine, seeking to stroke each other's ego for their intelligence and good taste in selecting the latest iToy.
Unrelated: my wife who is deeply embedded in the Apple ecosystem was ready to throw her iPhone 4 against a wall last night when she realised that editing a contact record is disabled by default on iOS 5. Seriously, she had to dive into phone settings to enable the ability to add a phone number to an existing contact. WTF.
(please excuse my mini-rant, I have a cold and am medicating with a cocktail of OTC goodness)
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what's a tablet?
What's a tablet? Is a 5" screen device a tablet? Like for example the galaxy note? Is the Nexus Prime a bit of a tablet? No, maybe? The Galaxy Note with it's 5"+ screen is definitely almost a tablet. It has a split screen design of the software when turning the device in landscape. So it is running definitely tablet like software.
The boundary between tablets and phones isn't clear cut. And in the future the boundary will become more vague. For Android that is. That's why they focused with ICS on a sort of OS that will run on both "tablets" and "phones". From that perspective one can say that tablets are equally well supported as phones.
Here's an interesting interview with Rubin http://allthingsd.com/20111019/andy-rubin-video-highlights-from-asiad-video/ In it Androids position on tablets is very clearly explained. They just want to make an OS that supports all screensizes. (Btw Rubin says they sold 6 million tablets.. that's like 100% more than what the CNN article says)
I don't necessarily agree with Rubin's position on this, but at least it is a interesting one Again, what's a tablet anyway for a mobile operating system? A phone with a big screen? (Without calling abilities)
The strategy seems that Google is leaving it to hardware manufacturers if they want to support tablets. The software is ready for it.
My only question with this strategy is if Google can trigger developers enough to make specific outstanding tablet software. They expect developers to target all screensizes. And with the new ICS this is possible and easy. So that's okay. Nevertheless, for a developer who only wants to target the tablet because his design only fits on a tablet this won't work. Either s/he has to make a poor small screen implementation of his software or s/he sticks to a tablet only version. But the last decision will only work if they make a clear cut separation on the Android market. But then they have to make a separation after all.....
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They care a great deal about tablets. They just weren't ready for tablets at the same time the manufacturers were ready to start making them.
There's a big difference
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I agree with this part...and that's why we ended up with betas
I think it would be cool if devs made apps that would scale up and have a tablet UI if the app is downloaded on a tablet and scale down and have a phone ui if its on a phone. Yeah it would be annoying to make 2 ui but its better than making 2 apps when trying to promote your app.
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Serious_Beans said:
I think it would be cool if devs made apps that would scale up and have a tablet UI if the app is downloaded on a tablet and scale down and have a phone ui if its on a phone. Yeah it would be annoying to make 2 ui but its better than making 2 apps when trying to promote your app.
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In my experience, most well written apps already scale quite well the way you want already. However, it's really up to the devs because some of them may want to make a bit more money by having two separate apps (a phone one and a tablet / HD one).
Serious_Beans said:
I think it would be cool if devs made apps that would scale up and have a tablet UI if the app is downloaded on a tablet and scale down and have a phone ui if its on a phone. Yeah it would be annoying to make 2 ui but its better than making 2 apps when trying to promote your app.
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The question is if every tablet app can have a small screen counter app. One can't demand from developers that they (for example) design a great word processor for tablets and also create a mobile phone counterpart at once.
If the market won't have clear cut tablet sections in the future, I don't expect much tablets apps for the future. It's not worthwhile for a developer to invest in good tablet design if its app will be hidden in the market between the "scalable apps"
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The question is if every tablet app can have a small screen counter app. One can't demand from developers that they (for example) design a great word processor for tablets and also create a mobile phone counterpart at once.
If the market won't have clear cut tablet sections in the future, I don't expect much tablets apps for the future. It's not worthwhile for a developer to invest in good tablet design if its app will be hidden in the market between the "scalable apps"
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True. That's why I like the way Apple has structured their market -- iPad only / iPhone only / iPad+iPhone (with that '+' sign to indicate such apps).
The new Android market does provide recommendations specifically for tablets though.
True. That's why I like the way Apple has structured their market -- iPad only / iPhone only / iPad+iPhone (with that '+' sign to indicate such apps).
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You see thats the **** part about apple strategy.
Why should I pay twice for the same app?
best example angry birds.
Its perfectly playable on android phones and tablets and most importantly we have it for free or 99p/$
on iDevices you pay for the same app twice just so it looks a little bit better on the iPad than iPhone.
If you think about it. If Apple releases new iPad with higher resolution all iBoys will have to buy the app again..
I think best example of how Android market (and apps) should be is by looking at apps like Flixter or IMDB
Ugh I should of never got this tab, I love android I really disapointed.
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MattSkeet said:
You see thats the **** part about apple strategy.
Why should I pay twice for the same app?
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AFAIK, Apple leaves it up to the developer -- there are several apps which you can buy once and they will work on both the iPad and iPhone at the appropriate resolution for each device (the ones with the '+' sign indicated). However, there are developers who would rather make you buy two different versions instead.
So I don't know if it's fair to blame Apple (or Google) for separate tablet / phone apps. However, Google is to be blamed for not making it easy to determine which apps will function correctly on tablets (and quite a few don't).
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iloveandroid16 said:
Ugh I should of never got this tab, I love android I really disapointed.
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Out of curiosity, what is it about Android that you love and is not present on the tablet?