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ATT 8525 and ATT 8925 Email problems

The company I work for recently (3 months ago) bought 3 ATT 8525's for people who travel. All 3 of the phones have this issue where when they go into their power save mode, and they will not send or receive Email or produce notifications about new email. It appears to me that when the phones go into this power save mode they turn off the wireless card in the phone. I have made every effort to figure this out myself but I finally broke down and called ATT who then transfered me to HTC. HTC told me that this is a bug in the phone and that they do not have a solution for it other than trying Windows Mobile 6. However, since ATT has not released WM6 for the 8525, and I don't feel like bricking a phone, the company decided to go ahead and buy the ATT 8925, hopping that the new phone wouldn't have this problem. Unfortunately it dose.
So getting down to my question. Does anyone know how to get these phones to send and receive Email, through WIFI and not the cell network, when they are in their power save mode?
Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. Oh and BTW, after toying around with the 8925 I do have to say that the new features included in the phone are quite nice, hate the chrome though.
Thanks

Via WiFi? No. You wouldn't like the battery life if it did.

Battery life
I don't really care about that right now. I'm just looking for a solution to the problem i am currently having.

Could be connected to this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=332362

you need to disable the at&t proxie to use wifi to send mail/etc
To have the wifi alwayz on even in standby is not wise, you batter will die fast ......

I have no issues using Active sync with exchange 2007 i get emails even when in power save maybe you should get some exchange accounts

pwnage said:
I don't really care about that right now. I'm just looking for a solution to the problem i am currently having.
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You don't understand the gravity of what he told you. The battery life would literally be 2-3 hours.
Manually pressing the power button and tapping 'check for new messages' is a much better solution than being completely unable to access email for 3/4 of the workday because the battery has died.
Think about it.
Also, on your install CD, you'll find some AT&T software to push email to the phone automatically, waking up the phone using SMS. And, as other people have suggested, these phones were designed with Microsoft Exchange in mind and setting up an Exchange server would also help your problem.

Thank you for the replies.
Dose the "push" feature work with non exchange email servers. The only reason I ask is because we don't have an exchange server.

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Could be connected to this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=332362
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I took a look at this and it seems to describe the problem i have very well. In regards to the battery life, is there a way to have the WIFI turn on when its time to check mail and then turn off after its finished? I would really like these phones to be using WIFI most of the time even though we have an unlimited data plan, WIFI just seems to be faster.

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Dose the "push" feature work with non exchange email servers. The only reason I ask is because we don't have an exchange server.
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Try www.emoze.com

ringy2 thank you. I'll take a look at that.
You know I have been working off of the thread linked above and I have gotten the phone to the point where it seems to be checking our mail server over GPRS/3G (I have turned the WIFI antenna off). The problem now is that the when it goes to check messages it won't DL any new ones that may be on the server. Any ideas?

Do you not have unlimited data with at&t? If you do then there is absolutely no reason not to leave wifi off and just use that for email. As for checking emails and not getting anything new. You need to adjust the settings for your account.

surrept, Yes we have an unlimited data plan and at this point i have given up on getting the phone to check via WIFI. As for the settings, what are you refering to? I have the account setup and i have configured it exactly how it is supposed to be. i have it DLing full copies of messages w/ no attachments, and it is set to check mail every 5 min (will change this back to 15 once i have finished testing).

Um, BTW - AT&T did release WM6 for the 8525... VERY much worth it. However, I'm still going for a 8925 for the doubled RAM/ROM & GPS...

I highly doubt that. Again i have looked in every deep dark place that the internet has and haven't found any WM6 ROM that I can DL from ATT site. you are probably referring to the "official" ATT ROM that i have seen floating around. Im not going to put that on these phones because, one I work for a descent size company and I don't want to be breaking any law and such on there behalf. Two I don't feel like bricking any of these phones. I want the warranty to be valid on them. If it was my personal phone i might try it. but since these are the companies phones it ain't gonna happen.

To HTC Touch or Not ?

Hi, I need some help on deciding if I should get a HTC Touch or not. I have a Nextel/Sprint Hybrid ic902 currently but I played with my friend's iPhone and I like it. I wanted to get a PDA/Smartphone and the closest thing would be the Touch. I played with it at the Sprint store and it seems pretty nice. I don't really use my Nextel Direct Connect that much so I might want to switch over. I use over 500 texts a month and I check my Gmail periodically. I might want to use AIM if its capable on the HTC Touch. So if you guys can help me out with deciding to get the phone or should I wait and see what else Sprint comes out with. Tell me what you guys think. Thanks in advance for anybody who helps.

I had to make the exact same decision, and I decided to go with the touch, for several reasons.
First, I use the phone as a PDA as much (or even moreso) as a phone. You can't beat the syncing of the Touch. I use Sherweb for a hosted Exchange 2007 server (about $8 a month). I enter something in Outlook or on the web interface, and it shows up on my phone. Or, I enter a new contact in my phone, it shows up on my desktop. I *never* have to plug in my phone to sync it. Also, the Touch is much more customizable and has 3rd party apps. The iPHone has no apps without hacking right now, and I'm sure it's going to be a pain and expensive when they do finally come out. Also, EVDO >> EDGE for streaming (you can use vTap for Youtube, and Sprint TV comes on there).
However, the iPhone is a much better media player.
So, if you want a phone to play MP3s and videos, go iPhone. If you want it more as a business tool, go Touch.
What put it over for me was the price. I got the Touch for $250 after rebate, and a $30 SERO plan (500 minutes, unlimited text, data). The iPhone is gonna cost you $400 and run you $60 a month with only 200 text - you'll have to upgrade to get to 500.
So, now, you can do what I did. I got the Touch on SERO, and justified spending some of the $870 I'll save over 2 years and bought the $300 iPod Touch
I have a great media player, and the better phone., and still saved $600.

daveeckert said:
I had to make the exact same decision, and I decided to go with the touch, for several reasons.
First, I use the phone as a PDA as much (or even moreso) as a phone. You can't beat the syncing of the Touch. I use Sherweb for a hosted Exchange 2007 server (about $8 a month). I enter something in Outlook or on the web interface, and it shows up on my phone. Or, I enter a new contact in my phone, it shows up on my desktop. I *never* have to plug in my phone to sync it. Also, the Touch is much more customizable and has 3rd party apps. The iPHone has no apps without hacking right now, and I'm sure it's going to be a pain and expensive when they do finally come out. Also, EVDO >> EDGE for streaming (you can use vTap for Youtube, and Sprint TV comes on there).
However, the iPhone is a much better media player.
So, if you want a phone to play MP3s and videos, go iPhone. If you want it more as a business tool, go Touch.
What put it over for me was the price. I got the Touch for $250 after rebate, and a $30 SERO plan (500 minutes, unlimited text, data). The iPhone is gonna cost you $400 and run you $60 a month with only 200 text - you'll have to upgrade to get to 500.
So, now, you can do what I did. I got the Touch on SERO, and justified spending some of the $870 I'll save over 2 years and bought the $300 iPod Touch
I have a great media player, and the better phone., and still saved $600.
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Well I will have to buy the Touch from like eBay and pay like $300...And I get 25% discount from UPS off my bill...I was wondering how would get my contacts off of my SIM card to the HTC Touch..?..And I would be using Gmail for my email..Is it hard to get Gmail on the phone..?

Ah, forgot to mention the iPhone has the better browser. I mostly only browse news sites, which format well on the HTC Touch. If I have Wi-Fi available, I use my iPod Touch. Otherwise, I just make do with NetFront. Hopefully, Opera Mobile 9.5 will put the Sprint Touch more inline with the iPhone.

Getting the contacts off the SIM depends on what kind of phone you have. Can you sync it do a computer? If so, you can import them into Outlook. If not, you might be stuck. There are some USB SIM readers, I think, but I don't know how much they cost. Since you can just type the contacts into a computer (instead of keying them on the phone), if you don't have 100s of contacts, you might just be best off typing them in manually.
Getting Gmail on the Touch is easy. You can use IMAP or POP3, whichever you prefer. Obviously, IMAP is the best. Don't know what it does to your battery life, but I have mine on push mail, and I still have about 70% of the battery left when I go to bed (maybe down to 50 if I did a lot of surfing). IMAP should be comparable. (In contrast, my Moto Q was on push mail - I took it off the charger at 7am and it was completely dead by 10pm). Anyway, mail is easy on either phone.

Go to a sprint store they will do it for free.

daveeckert said:
I had to make the exact same decision, and I decided to go with the touch, for several reasons.
First, I use the phone as a PDA as much (or even moreso) as a phone. You can't beat the syncing of the Touch. I use Sherweb for a hosted Exchange 2007 server (about $8 a month). I enter something in Outlook or on the web interface, and it shows up on my phone. Or, I enter a new contact in my phone, it shows up on my desktop. I *never* have to plug in my phone to sync it. Also, the Touch is much more customizable and has 3rd party apps. The iPHone has no apps without hacking right now, and I'm sure it's going to be a pain and expensive when they do finally come out. Also, EVDO >> EDGE for streaming (you can use vTap for Youtube, and Sprint TV comes on there).
However, the iPhone is a much better media player.
So, if you want a phone to play MP3s and videos, go iPhone. If you want it more as a business tool, go Touch.
What put it over for me was the price. I got the Touch for $250 after rebate, and a $30 SERO plan (500 minutes, unlimited text, data). The iPhone is gonna cost you $400 and run you $60 a month with only 200 text - you'll have to upgrade to get to 500.
So, now, you can do what I did. I got the Touch on SERO, and justified spending some of the $870 I'll save over 2 years and bought the $300 iPod Touch
I have a great media player, and the better phone., and still saved $600.
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Cool. I have to try the ShareWeb to see what it's Like. That sounds awesome.
My two cents on the issue:
-iPhone doesn't have Bluetooth. (I use blutooth like crazy. I use the Motorola S9 stereo Bluetooth headset with the touch and also I got a Stereo Bluetooth receiver from Sony that I've installed in the car. So the touch is my media player at the Gym and in the Car. Its awesome.) You should install the HTC Adio Manager. It's not anything close to the iPhone's Media Player, but gets the job done.
-iPhone's Internet speed is really bad (unless you use the WiFi). GPRS vs EVDO and Soon RevA. It's no Brainer.
-The memory Card:with iPhone you can't increase the memoy size. You are stuck with 8GB max. With the Touch for now the largest is 8GB microSD, but you can have multiple of those. Maybe soon they will come out with larger cards than that.

I also heard people having problems when the phone goes in standby mode that they don't receive calls and stuff...Is this true..?

i get calls in standby an the new opera browser and the picsel browsers are awesome. I have no iphone envy. I dont even feel the need to copy its theme haha. The way I look at it, if you want a media player grab the iphone, if you want a handheld computer grab the touch. (I use it to freehand draw all the time)

Diplomat2387 said:
I also heard people having problems when the phone goes in standby mode that they don't receive calls and stuff...Is this true..?
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My girlfriend is on her third phone because of it.

ryan stewart said:
My girlfriend is on her third phone because of it.
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Now I'm in a dilemma...LoL....Wat should I do..LoL..

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Now I'm in a dilemma...LoL....Wat should I do..LoL..
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Honestly some people have problems others don't. I haven't had many of the problems many people have talked about and if they did they only happened once or twice. I love my touch and wouldn't change it for any other phone that sprint has right now.

Took the Plunge
Well - I took the plunge. I have two T-Mobile MDA's that are showing their age.
Went shopping. I was turned off by T-Mobile's inability to get a 3G network going. I saw the spec's on the Kaiser and loved it. But money drove me to Sprint. I get a 25% cut in the cellular plan thanks to my job. Kinda hard to pass that up. So it came down to the Titan or Vogue.
I chose the CPU & RAM boost. I dont think I will miss the WiFi. If RevA is as fast as I have been hearing...I should be happy. I'm coming from EDGE Speed, so anything should look like an improvment.
I ordered two of them today from LetsTalk.com and I should get them by Friday. I guess I will join the rest in "THE GREAT ROM WAIT" waiting for the GPS/REV A to get unlocked even tho I do have a BT GPS receiver I got for the MDA's
I guess I will update my Signature after I get the new toys

Gratz on the choice, but I question your sanity for buying from Let's Talk. I assume the Touch is "free" after rebate. Just be sure to mark your calendar, because you usually have to send it in between 180 and 210 days after purchase, or something like that. Then expect to wait another 6 months for the money to show up. Besides that nonsense, they royally screwed up my port, and then delayed shipping. I was without a phone for a week, very annoying.
Anyway, since it's too late for you, I hope you enjoy the phone anyway

1st time around went ok
I purchaced the two MDA's from them and all went well. Made an issue of sending the rebates the day I received them. 2.5 months later the checks arrived. The whole "REBATE" thing is good business....so many people dont fill them out.
As for porting.... I guess I will find that out soon. Porting both #'s
Porting is a pain, I work as Tech Support for the local cable company and we offer digital phone service.....porting #"s is a crapshoot sometimes.
**********UPDATE************
The Phones have shipped Should get them Tuesday

Diplomat2387 said:
Now I'm in a dilemma...LoL....Wat should I do..LoL..
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I had a problem with my phone not waking from sleep until I disabled the time syncronization (under phone settings). My phone was freezing at least daily and, since disabling synchronization, it's been solid for three weeks.

avoges said:
I had a problem with my phone not waking from sleep until I disabled the time syncronization (under phone settings). My phone was freezing at least daily and, since disabling synchronization, it's been solid for three weeks.
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I second that statement.

You can can transfer your contacts through bluetooth. And I also had ic902 and bought HTC touch and I transfered my contacts through BT.

kmatthews said:
You can can transfer your contacts through bluetooth. And I also had ic902 and bought HTC touch and I transfered my contacts through BT.
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Yeah what he said... I had a Motorola v551 and just transferred the contacts over to my new Bell Touch (Actually its a Vogue... go figure). It was a pain to xfer them individually but hey why not...
Also I have only had my Touch a grand total of 5 1/2 days and already i dont know how i lived WITHOUT it!
If you have some iPhone/Blackberry envy like I did but want something more out of the phone then the Touch is the wayyyyy to gooooO!
Hope that helped sway your decision!

I have the touch and love it. 4gb mem card full of music no need for ipod. Highly customizable w/ free apps, Blue tooth with Jaybird gear headphones. Love it and can't put it down which is why it's 3:00 am and still mesing withit!

Reverting data plan

Ok so I've been with AT&T for a while, nearing 2 years; all under my 8525. It's old now, worn out, water logged, keys unresponsive; but hey, it's what I've got. So the reason I can afford to keep this phone is because I've been using the MEdiaMax200 bundle since date of purchase. Now I call up to go from 200 to 1500 messages and what does this representative do without my consent? She DROPS my plan. Now we're at the point of no return because after running in circles for 30 minutes she lets me know she can't revert back as it isn't allowed to be put on a PDA. I let her know I NEVER LET HER KNOW I wanted to do this but she didn't care. So now I have the PDA1500 plan for like $40 or 45 which I can't afford and I barely use the plan only for IM+ but that always exceeds the allotted MB with other plans so how do I go back manually?

Why not try to do it online? Log into AT&T Wireless and go to THIS PAGE. In the past, users have had success in selecting whatever features they want to have. I'm not sure what will happen in your case, as the REP might have put some kind of lock on your account (or AT&T might have changed the website so that users can't adjust this stuff anymore), but hey, it's worth a shot.
Good luck,
-pvs

Thanks for the reply but it won't show up as an option to add MEdiaMax bundles back =/
I do have an old AT&T cellphone in my home (just need to buy a charger for it - and it's not a PDA)
I remember if I put my sim card in it it'd work, still true?

8525_b0tch said:
Thanks for the reply but it won't show up as an option to add MEdiaMax bundles back =/
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Ahhh, too bad
8525_b0tch said:
I do have an old AT&T cellphone in my home (just need to buy a charger for it - and it's not a PDA)
I remember if I put my sim card in it it'd work, still true?
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I really don't know. I guess it wouldn't hurt to try it, but I kinda doubt their systems are that integrated, so that their website knows what type of phone is currently "live". I would think they're driving the webpages from a database that lists what they have on file as the currently active equipment.
But good luck, anyway ... let us know how you make out.
-pvs

Fun With AT&T

Some strange events happened to me yesterday. I've had my g1 since december of 2008. I bought it off someone at craigslist because I am on a AT&T family plan and didn't want to switch carriers. I unlocked the phone soon after and have been using my phone happily since then. I also do no have a data plan and make sure to remove all APN information after each flash.
I have been happily flashing roms going from 1.1 to 1.5 and to 1.6. Lately I was using "NonSense Cupcake revolution" but yesterday I decided to update to cyanogen 5. Right after the upgrade, I got a text from AT&T congratulating me on my new smartphone and telling me that I now need a data plan. 10 minutes later we found out that AT&T deactivated all our sim cards and none of my family were able to make phone calls.
Does anyone have any idea what the heck happened? How did AT&T know all of a sudden I was using a smartphone. Is there something about android 2.1 that raises a red flag? I really DO NOT want a data plan and will rather stop using my g1 than pay $350+/year on one. My current plan is to give them my old Nokia IMEI when I get my new SIM card and then pop it into my g1 after downgrading back to the 1.5 rom I was using.
Thanks for reading and I look forward to hearing your ideas.
Edit: New theory; found this elsewhere:
"Note: If an AT&T customer puts their SIM card into a Nexus One device, our smartphone data requirement policy and control rules will apply; this allows customers to enjoy the benefit of using data services from AT&T. The following welcome message will be delivered:
Your Smartphone is active! A data plan is required and if omitted, will be added to your account. For details, see your sales rep or att.com/smartphoneplans."
So AT&T thinks I put my sim in a nexus one so I think if I downgrade I should be fine. Any way to make a 2.1 rom look like a 1.6 one? build.prop maybe? I cant test anything myself until I get my new sim.

Call them and tell them you put your sim card in a borrowed phone lol. Push a build.prop from any 1.6 to change your id. For fun, open the build.prop with notepad and change g1 to Nokia 1100. If you don't use data they can't charge you

mejorguille said:
Call them and tell them you put your sim card in a borrowed phone lol. Push a build.prop from any 1.6 to change your id. For fun, open the build.prop with notepad and change g1 to Nokia 1100. If you don't use data they can't charge you
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Ha we think alike; I told them exactly that yesterday. What value of the build.prop would I need to change to make it look like a nokia?

There you go=p I just changed every time it said dream, htc, or passion and changed it to nokia=p I don't think that market will work right though. You could try pushing the build.prop from a 1.6 build to cm5 but then i don't think video would work, so you will probably need to merge the 1.6 build.prop with the 2.1 build.prop.
Rename to build.prop and push to /system/

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There you go=p I just changed every time it said dream, htc, or passion and changed it to nokia=p I don't think that market will work right though. You could try pushing the build.prop from a 1.6 build to cm5 but then i don't think video would work, so you will probably need to merge the 1.6 build.prop with the 2.1 build.prop.
Rename to build.prop and push to /system/
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Thanks dude. I'll be sure to report back on Tuesday or Wednesday and tell you guys what happened.

Odd. I never had this issue.
I've been using my G1 with AT&T for some time now.
The update to 2.1 (CyanogenMod) didn't result in any variation for me.
Of course, I am using AT&T's "dumb-phone" unlimited internet... even still, there appears to be no indication on their side that I have a smart phone let alone a Nexus One.

Same with me. I am also using the $15 dumb phone data plan and a switch to CM5 did not trigger any notification from AT&T's side.

Quick update: I wussed out and flashed the backup I made of the 1.5 rom I was using. I didn't feel like risking getting "caught" again. I got to play with cyanogen's new rom for a few days and while great it did not drastically give me anything I didn't have before. I ended up giving them an old nokia imei as my phone and putting the new sim in my g1 shortly after. No texts forcing me to get a smartphone plan yet. I doubt I'm the only one that will have this problem so I'll just give a warning:
If you have AT&T with a g1 without any kind of data plan, after updating to android 2.1 they might try to force one on you.
Thanks for the help and ideas. I'll post again if they try to get me to get a plan again.

If AT&T actually offered 3G coverage in my area (a major city, imo) I might consider it. Otherwise, they can polish my knob.

This doesn't have anything to do with the version of android you are running. They can't detect that. They CAN detect your IMEI and compare it to the database to determine if it is a smartphone or not.
Alternatively, the thing tried to connect to a data service when you plugged your card into it, and they looked at the data and determined that it was consistent with a smartphone, i.e., dumbphones don't try to connect to google on port 5228.
Very likely the reason this happened so suddenly is one of the two things;
1) it corresponds to the end of their infinite data plans.
2) it corresponds to you "activating" your google account on your phone.

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This doesn't have anything to do with the version of android you are running. They can't detect that. They CAN detect your IMEI and compare it to the database to determine if it is a smartphone or not.
Alternatively, the thing tried to connect to a data service when you plugged your card into it, and they looked at the data and determined that it was consistent with a smartphone, i.e., dumbphones don't try to connect to google on port 5228.
Very likely the reason this happened so suddenly is one of the two things;
1) it corresponds to the end of their infinite data plans.
2) it corresponds to you "activating" your google account on your phone.
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Interesting. I'm not sure about the IMEI thing since it is a t-mobile phone runnning on an AT&T network. I just find it too much of a coincidence that the problem occured right after updating so I doubt its that. They also haven't reported anything since putting my new sim in my phone 2 days ago.
I guess you're right about them not knowing what version of android I'm running but there must be something in 2.1 that raised a red flag. I deleted an APN file from /system/ before I even booted the rom for the first time so I don't even think its possible that it tried to connect to them. Strange stuff.

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Interesting. I'm not sure about the IMEI thing since it is a t-mobile phone runnning on an AT&T network.
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You don't think that ATT can read the IMEI from a phone sold by tmobile? I can guarantee that they can. Or if you're worried about ATT being able to link up an IMEI to a type of phone... they can link the IMEI to a lot more than that.... I'm not sure if you realize this, but the IMEI exists ***FOR A REASON*** and it isn't just to look pretty....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_Allocation_Code
wikipedia said:
The Type Allocation Code (TAC) is a portion of the 15-digit IMEI code used to uniquely identify wireless devices.
The Type Allocation Code is an 8-digit number that identifies a particular model (and often revision) of wireless telephone for use on a GSM, UMTS, or other IMEI-supporting wireless network.
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I just find it too much of a coincidence that the problem occured right after updating so I doubt its that.
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The coincidence is that you happen to be updating your phone when ATT happened to be changing their policies.
They also haven't reported anything since putting my new sim in my phone 2 days ago.
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That's because they probably do it cyclically, or they put your account into a freeze period after a manual adjustment.
It may ALSO have related to rebooting the device -- connecting to their network that first time after they initiated a policy change may have triggered a routine.
I guess you're right about them not knowing what version of android I'm running but there must be something in 2.1 that raised a red flag. I deleted an APN file from /system/ before I even booted the rom for the first time so I don't even think its possible that it tried to connect to them. Strange stuff.
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Nope. Nothing special in 2.1. In fact, it would be quite a security violation if it were to broadcast itself out to them.

So I guess it's only a matter of time before they detect my g1. Pitty since I was using my phone for over a year before all this happened. It's weird that they make you read out your IMEI to them while activating a sim card as if they can't see it. I'm just going to keep using my phone as is for as long as I can. The vibration on it no longer functions so I won't be supper crushed if I have to change phones to avoid a data plan.
I have 3-4 friends who have t-mobile branded blackberrys and android phones without a data plan on AT&T. Our school has wifi everywhere so it is truly unneeded. I guess their "check" cycle is fairly slow as none of them have had problems yet. Maybe the process isn't automated yet.
I really do appreciate the information although it's not exactly what I wanted to hear.
edit: http://androidandme.com/2010/06/carriers/att-introduces-new-lower-priced-tiered-data-plans-june-7th/
This isn't terrible. I can always do this but there's no rush I guess.
edit 2: Is it possible that an attempted apn connection (data) is what caused the detection? I said I deleted a file but looking back on it, it may not have been the correct one to prevent connections.

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edit: http://androidandme.com/2010/06/carriers/att-introduces-new-lower-priced-tiered-data-plans-june-7th/
This isn't terrible. I can always do this but there's no rush I guess.
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Yep, that's what I was referring to.
edit 2: Is it possible that an attempted apn connection (data) is what caused the detection? I said I deleted a file but looking back on it, it may not have been the correct one to prevent connections.
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It is possible.
Note that the rep you read the IMEI out to may NOT have had a read-out of the device model ID. In fact, doing that might freak some people out -- you know, the whole big brother knows too much thing.

Finally some resolution. Turns out a woman stole my mom's identity and went to a wal-mart and bought 5 blackberries under our AT&T account (probably to sell on the black market). Our SIMs where soon deactivated like I said in the OP and the smart phone text had to do with those phones rather than my phone. Upgrading to android 2.1 had NOTHING to do with it (of course). It was all just a coincidence. The strange thing is that AT&T never told us about these new numbers, even when we were reactivating our new SIMs, and we found out when checking our monthly bill.
Now we have to go to the wal-mart where the people committed fraud and try to find out who did it and file a police report. We might end up being charged $400 in deactivation fees. Well that's how it all went down. Funny. I upgraded to android 2.1 at 4:30 on that day and booted my phone at the EXACT moment they bought the fraud blackberries. Ugh. I know this is largely unrelated to android or my g1 but I thought I would let you guys know in case you were curious.

Sorry to hear about that. Your mom might have to pay the fees but as long as the individual(s) in question are found, you can always take civil action.
Surprised no one brought this up but, ATT and all the other services can't turn your service off just because you're using a smartphone and don't have a data plan. That is an optional addition to your monthly bill and as long as you are not using data, they can't charge you or force you to buy the data.
If you're dumb enough to sign a two year contract that requires a data charge monthly for the duration of the contract..well, yeah.

If the phones were added by someone other than the account owner, the service provider has no legal grounds to hold you accountable for it. Fact is that this was a failure in THEIR security and/or walmart's. The service provider should have some procedure to make sure that the person adding the phones is actually who they claim to be.
If not, then you sue ATT AND WALMART for this.

[Q] Smart or Dumb?

Hello! I'm new to the forum and just recently purchased a DVP. First, thank you all for your posts and info. You've already answered many of my questions.
Now, I've searched the forum for awhile and I haven't been able to answer this one question:
For those of you using the DVP with an AT&T account, does AT&T recognize the DVP as a smartphone or will it be considered a "dumbphone"? My reason for asking is due to a decent price difference between data plans for smarthphones and dumbphones.
If this has already been answered, please redirect me!
Thanks in advance!

Well I got my answer. ATT does not recognize the phone as a smartphone and will only charge for the $10 unlimited data plan.
However, as I'm sure most of you already know there is no 3G when using this phone with ATT and for whatever reason, EDGE data doesn't seem to be working either. I can make calls and send sms but no web. Perhaps I am doing something wrong on my end because the EDGE "E" logo apears next to my signal whenever I turn data on in my settings (which means my phone recognizes the data signal?).
At any rate, any and all insight is welcome. Thanks!

idliketoknow said:
Well I got my answer. ATT does not recognize the phone as a smartphone and will only charge for the $10 unlimited data plan.
However, as I'm sure most of you already know there is no 3G when using this phone with ATT and for whatever reason, EDGE data doesn't seem to be working either. I can make calls and send sms but no web. Perhaps I am doing something wrong on my end because the EDGE "E" logo apears next to my signal whenever I turn data on in my settings (which means my phone recognizes the data signal?).
At any rate, any and all insight is welcome. Thanks!
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You might need to adjust the apn for ATT under settings->cellular->add apn
apn: wap.cingular
username:[email protected]
password:CINGULAR1
what is your OS version and firmware version? Did u have Nodo pre-installed?

Perfect timing. I was just about to start looking into that. Works perfect now, a thousand times thank you!!!!!!!!!!
I just got this phone yesterday, came with 32G card already installed, and had my unlock code from dell in under 4 hours. I was thinking about pulling the card out to see what kind it was so I could post it on here but it's been working so well I just don't want to risk it (Sorry!!). The phone hasn't had a single glitch so far (knock on wood) and I've been using pretty heavily, wifi included. I haven't installed any updates yet, I think I might just let it go unless it starts acting up. By the way, it's a 12/16 build, the firmware is 2250.1500.7004.105, and the OS version is 7.0.7004.0 . And now that I have my $10 unlimited data plan I can start using all the goodies!!
Thanks again!

Sorry forgot to mention it was an ebay purchase. Pretty important part for the 32G card!