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Possible Port for Windows 8 ARM for mobile

Hello,
I've owed an x10 and SGS-II.
Windows 8 ARM hasn't been released as of now but is someone planning to port it to SGS-II?
The reason I ask is because it looks very nice & would love to see something different on SGS-II
This is just a discussion any constructive comments are welcome.

as a pure development project it might be fun to do such
but as a daily driver OS, Win8 is definitely a no go

maybe will see win8 in our sgs III with 2ghz quad core

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maybe will see win8 in our sgs III with 2ghz quad core
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i agree
as Win8 is basically = Win7 + Windows Mobile 7 Launcher + ARM CPU support
so that is basicaly a super beefup version of Win7, which translates into very heavy hardware requirement for it to run properly
basically you need a laptop the size of a phone, for it to run

Haven't people been able to "run" it with ancient Pentiums and 128 MB ram?
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AllGamer said:
i agree
as Win8 is basically = Win7 + Windows Mobile 7 Launcher + ARM CPU support
so that is basicaly a super beefup version of Win7, which translates into very heavy hardware requirement for it to run properly
basically you need a laptop the size of a phone, for it to run
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I've read that it has lower requirements. There are also some other changes(some of them also improvements like reduced boot time)

AllGamer said:
i agree
as Win8 is basically = Win7 + Windows Mobile 7 Launcher + ARM CPU support
so that is basicaly a super beefup version of Win7, which translates into very heavy hardware requirement for it to run properly
basically you need a laptop the size of a phone, for it to run
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I don't think so mate. The requirements for Windows 8 ARM is pretty low. Microsoft announced that it will run very smooth on tablets (they did a demo as well) and it requires pretty low resources (since windows 8 itself uses a Very low ram).
People at xperia x10 are looking forward to port it so I thought why not?
SGS-III? lol. I'd dream about it.

Neo said:
I don't think so mate. The requirements for Windows 8 ARM is pretty low. Microsoft announced that it will run very smooth on tablets (they did a demo as well) and it requires pretty low resources (since windows 8 itself uses a Very low ram).
People at xperia x10 are looking forward to port it so I thought why not?
SGS-III? lol. I'd dream about it.
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It works on my old desktop so our super fast dual core phone should take it easily
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+1 win 8 for sgsII is like child playing with toy... ARM version will req a very low hardware spec. Hoping too see it on this mean machine

Win8 ARM hardware drivers for the SGS2-specific hardware would need to be written from scratch, so don't hold your breath.

MaBlo said:
Haven't people been able to "run" it with ancient Pentiums and 128 MB ram?
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Don't make the mistake of comparing mobile to desktop. MHZ/GHZ processor speeds don't mean jack when comparing between CPU/GPU architecture types.
Just because some spec somewhere says it's designed to be able to run on ARM processors and some or our phones use ARM processors, doesn't mean we are go for launch. We may not be comparing apples with oranges here, but we certainly are comparing tangerines with oranges. Some of these chips can be much bigger and power-hungrier than anything we see in the SGS2

kal-el can totally Handel it perfectly.
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I guess they will eventually merge WP7 and W8 for ARM, same thing that is about to happen to Android.
For now I am quite happy with Android on my phone, and if the Win32 pogramms wont work on a W8 tablet I see no point in getting one either. Android is growing like crazy (software and hardware), so I can not see a reason to abandon this platform (except maybe for MeeGo, incredible what the people did with the n900).
Although Tablet+VLC would make a hell of a mediaplayer....

Win phone 8 on SGSII
Reviving this thread...considering now much is known about the platform, is there a chance of a port on SGSII?

i think we will see some tryout ports coming very soon.
ive run w8 on some really crappy machines, much more worse specs then s2.
however i think port is depending on the fact how many people will really want it and how many devs
are willing to do it..

whats the OS in nokia lumia 920 windows 8 or windows 7?

This probably isn't possible because I think windows phones are partitioned differently. Basically its gonna be difficult or nearly impossible.
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You guys do realize that the GSII is more than capable of running WP8? The Lumia 920 has a S4 dual core and handles it effortlessly, the GSII would be able to handle it aswell since the Exynos 4210 is still very damn good.

Phistachio said:
You guys do realize that the GSII is more than capable of running WP8? The Lumia 920 has a S4 dual core and handles it effortlessly, the GSII would be able to handle it aswell since the Exynos 4210 is still very damn good.
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It's not the matter of hardware. There are many other things to consider too. Already we have problems with CM10. WP8 just spells more trouble.
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MarioFan1998 said:
It's not the matter of hardware. There are many other things to consider too. Already we have problems with CM10. WP8 just spells more trouble.
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I know, as everyone was just talking about hw, I gave my opinion I'm not even going to talk about the complications with porting the kernel, drivers, gpu drivers, adapting thethe mali to a whole new os, surfaceflinger, hwcomposer and so much more...

Debian vs windows 8

What would be fast on a old dell with 1.oghz
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Debian
Shark_On_Land said:
What would be fast on a old dell with 1.oghz
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I'm pretty sure Debian would run way faster than Windows 8 on your Dell. My old Toshiba Satellite is running Ubuntu 11.10 way faster than it did Windows Vista.

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What would be fast on a old dell with 1.oghz
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of course debian or at least just run windows 7 windows 8 is not PC friendly as much as windows 7 its a dev preview not even a beta yet so its not even worth keeping as a daily OS because march will come around and then youll need to install the beta
im not gonna be one of those ass holes and say its the wrong section lol but yeah dude watch out lucky this aint the android forum

atadres said:
of course debian or at least just run windows 7 windows 8 is not PC friendly as much as windows 7 its a dev preview not even a beta yet so its not even worth keeping as a daily OS because march will come around and then youll need to install the beta
im not gonna be one of those ass holes and say its the wrong section lol but yeah dude watch out lucky this aint the android forum
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Yeah, thanks for not completely burning me but I use Windows 8 as my daily OS and even though I mostly post on the Android forums, I think I have some rights to post here right?
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Windows will never be faster than linux, especially on slower/older computers!

When it comes to net books.
I've found that
Linux is faster than windows 7 32 bit. 64 bit windows is terrible to run.
Windows 8 64 bit runs great almost as good as Ubuntu.
Both the net books I've installed this on are atom based and have maxed memory.

windows 8 is much lighter and quicker than the older versions of windows but i think linux still takes the cake this round but it is still just a dev preview that we are seeing now.

Windows V Linux
There is a lot of populous opinion being regurgitated here. I have to agree though that on older hardware Linux has a better chance of performing well but just like any OS if you want it to feel snappy you wont be able to load it with all of the bells and whistles that a new machine will support.
Beyond that I've done some evaluations between Windows and Linux, Ubuntu specifically. Using a couple of models of laptop ranging from 1-3 years old Windows 7 booted faster and consistently ran better/faster than the same pc on linux. We ran the test as side by side comparisons then switch OS's and reran the test.
These were all default installs with only drivers or applications being tested added where necessary.
Overall Windows required fewer clicks and less time to perform the tasks being tested. The only area where Ubuntu was a clear winner wan in a simpler install and setup process than windows. After that it either tied or lost to windows.
We didn't include cost or time to train in our evaluation.

Lacedaemon said:
I'm pretty sure Debian would run way faster than Windows 8 on your Dell. My old Toshiba Satellite is running Ubuntu 11.10 way faster than it did Windows Vista.
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Well yeah, vista is the worst system hog Microsoft has ever released.
Windows 8 supposedly is the lightest Os Microsoft has released in a long time. I've seen it work better on some computers than XP. Just my 2¢

Lacedaemon said:
I'm pretty sure Debian would run way faster than Windows 8 on your Dell. My old Toshiba Satellite is running Ubuntu 11.10 way faster than it did Windows Vista.
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Well, Windows Vista was a hot mess, so I don't think that's a good metric
I've found that Windows 7 (and perhaps Windows 8, but it won't slim down enough to fit on my netbook) was much better at handling disk IO than Ubuntu. This was particularly important for my netbook, which has a very cheap 4gb SSD that locks up on writing. Windows XP and Ubuntu were about the same on this problem, Windows 7 seemed to understand that it needed no access time and a few other tweaks, and handled that right out of the box.
In your case, though, given the processor, I'd say Debian would probably run faster. If you want to do some anecdotal benchmarks, though, I'd be curious to see them.

Not really a fair question yet, as Win 8 is not even in beta yet....so none of us really know. I am sure that there is a significant amount of debugging loaded in the current Win 8 dev preview.
That being said, you mentioned old hardware. In that case I believe most responders are correct: debian/linux will likely run faster on that old hw.

I run win7 (re-installed win7 ultimate to get rid of asus bloatware) and ubuntu 11.04 on my Asus G53SX-A1 in dual boot. This laptop packs new hardware.
My observations:
Ubuntu with all graphical enhancements runs faster, and boots significantly quicker than win7. The installation of ubuntu was also quicker than that of windows.
Ubuntu picked pretty much all the hardware and with a few tweaks I got all laptop features working (function keys and all). Overall installation of "ubuntu 11.04 + tweaks and a couple of drivers (new wireless driver and newest binary nvidia drv from PPA" was half that of Windows 7 ultimate + all the drivers from cd and website.
I recently also switched from ubuntu to debian 6.0.3 on my fujitsu e8210 laptop and noticed that debian runs faster and more stable than ubuntu.

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gaming performece on window8

i own dell inspiron 1545(not good for gaming).just installed window 8cp and noticed that all my games now runs much smoother then on win7.as it is latest build there is no need of installing latest driver as it is the part of installation.
here is the list of working games list.
1.call of duty mw1,2,3
2.medal of honor 2010
3.assassins's creed 1&2
4.pop the forgotten sand
many old games like gta,pop, tomb raider works great on even in max setting.
please reply with any lattest games working for you

BF 2, 2142
Freespace 2 (SCP)
AVP 1, 2
Doom 3
F1 2011
any Steam game inc the hl series, supreme commander series
honestly cant say its faster but one things for sure, its not slower and given all the debug code running still and the early state of the drivers its only going to get quicker!

Most of the online games
Most of the online games
Warcraft 3
World of Warcraft
There are some small game
I use when the normal operation of the system above win8

World of Warcraft,
Half-Life Series
World of Goo,
Most of the Chrome NaCL/WebGL games
Revenge of the Titans,
Garry's Mod (Although very slowly due to my Graphics Card being an Intel GMA3150 with it's Intel Atom N450 counterpart xD)

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i have played crysis on it and its awesome NO LAG!!!

Games requiring OpenGL need you to install your manufacturer's graphics drivers, Apparently the Microsoft Drivers for Windows 8 are shipping without OGL support now.

gourav343 said:
i own dell inspiron 1545(not good for gaming).just installed window 8cp and noticed that all my games now runs much smoother then on win7.as it is latest build there is no need of installing latest driver as it is the part of installation.
here is the list of working games list.
1.call of duty mw1,2,3
2.medal of honor 2010
3.assassins's creed 1&2
4.pop the forgotten sand
many old games like gta,pop, tomb raider works great on even in max setting.
please reply with any lattest games working for you
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It has a better/newer version if direct X. I have a gaming system and my games run smoother now.
Counter Strike GO (beta)
TF2
Deus Ex HR
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Will get even better
BF3
MW3
TF2
AC Brotherhood
Metro 2033
Dead Island
Works generally better on Windows 8 due to optimized drivers and use of less resources. Windows 7 was never really "good" at games, but obviously depends on the game...
And as mentioned its just in pre-beta, and therefore will most likely get better and better, hopefully!

well there is a lot of game that runs really smooth.
its because w8 use less resources .
here is the list :
Bf2,3, Cod4,5,6,7,8 , Gta4 Eflc, Homefront, Crysis1,WH,2 , Mafia2, Skyrim, MOH, NFS UG1,2,MW,Carbon,Shift1,2,Run, and many other games

MTA won't work in win8 CP But other games runs just fine

Thanks for those info's. It seems Windows 8 would be really great when it comes out. Gonna try those games.

I play only one game, and it works very well with Windows 8 CP: FIFA 12

Will the improvements of windows 8 be really noticable when you have a high-end computer?
I can imagine the difference being quit big on a old/cheap computer that doesn't have that many resources, but when your using high-end the recources needed to run windows 7 is just a fraction of the resources available.

Not Truly Evil said:
MTA won't work in win8 CP But other games runs just fine
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^ The only game I play

mathijs727 said:
Will the improvements of windows 8 be really noticable when you have a high-end computer?
I can imagine the difference being quit big on a old/cheap computer that doesn't have that many resources, but when your using high-end the recources needed to run windows 7 is just a fraction of the resources available.
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My laptop is i7 990x, 12gb ram, 560m nvidia 1.5gb card... and windows 8 makes it even smoother. I get random crashes on occasions from some drivers that i guess still need work, but all my games load alot faster with windows 8. Its alot more noticable.
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Dri94 said:
My laptop is i7 990x, 12gb ram, 560m nvidia 1.5gb card... and windows 8 makes it even smoother. I get random crashes on occasions from some drivers that i guess still need work, but all my games load alot faster with windows 8. Its alot more noticable.
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The drivers probably need a lot of work still. We are only in the previews right now lol.
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Any chance somebody compared it to Ubuntu? And come to think of it, I don't know how Ubuntu compares to Windows 7 for that matter! I'm thinking of having a dual OS setup, Windows 7 for work (since it never crashes) and one of either Windows 8 or Ubuntu for gaming (since Windows 7 requires alot of resources).

zedxda said:
Any chance somebody compared it to Ubuntu? And come to think of it, I don't know how Ubuntu compares to Windows 7 for that matter! I'm thinking of having a dual OS setup, Windows 7 for work (since it never crashes) and one of either Windows 8 or Ubuntu for gaming (since Windows 7 requires alot of resources).
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Gaming on Ubuntu is quite the hassle. I run steam through Ubuntu, but getting each game to work is a process. I'd stick to windows for gaming for now. More developers are porting to Linux, which is great, though. (Today's Humble Indie Bundle, for example)

ShadowEO said:
The drivers probably need a lot of work still. We are only in the previews right now lol.
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I know lol. Nvidia actually did good with updating theirs quickly. Most of my errors are with audio now, which could eidther be realtek or the nvidia hd manager. But its so rare that its not even a bother

Not Truly Evil said:
MTA won't work in win8 CP But other games runs just fine
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DarkSeL said:
^ The only game I play
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MTA is working on windows 8.
There is alot of lagg when playing mta on windows 8 so if you are playing mta only you should stay with windows 7 for now.
Edit:i didnt tried mta on build 8400.i tried it on older windows 8, maybe lagg is gone.

When I tried installing Windows 8, I get a Black Screen and a Boot Error.

When I tried installing Windows 8 on an old piece of hardware (Dell Dimension 4600C, 512 Mb RAM, Pentium IIII Processor, Windows XP), It seemed to install right. When it booted, I was greeted with a black screen that said something like:
Boot Error
Something went wrong... (Yada yada, restart, blah blah...)
File: NDIS.SYS
Error: 0xc0000221
Does anyone know what causes this? I've installed windows 8 on several computers with success, so I'm not sure what's wrong.

Pentium III? Maybe that's why
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It's a Pentium 4, actually. And it's much better than my Netbook's Atom processor. I paid $20 for this desktop, so I'm trying to get some usability from it. I'll probably pour about $30 into some more RAM. Until Christmas, I've got no computer to use, except for my Netbook. It can't even run Metro apps. The monitor has a 1024x768, so I can run Metro on it. I'd hook the monitor up to my netbook, but every time I do that, metro apps make my netbook crash. I'm used to low performance machines (My previous laptop was a Compaq Presario V5000- It had 2Gb RAM max, a 1.46 Ghz Processor, and ran Windows 8 fine. My netbook has an Atom 1.6Ghz, and 1Gb of Ram. For Xmas, I'm getting a Sony Vaio, 8Gb RAM, 2Gb Graphics card, 750Gb HDD- It'll be like I'm in heaven, never had something so good... I'm done ranting now...) But I'm just curious as to why this happens. I've tried installing it twice, to no avail.

Oh sorry. When I saw the Is I thought it was 3 because 4 was never named that way. Anyways I don't think the Pentium 4 had NX (and PAE depending on the model), both of which are required for Windows 8. Didn't the upgrade advisor tell you?
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Nope. I've tried to install it twice, and both times it has worked... Until the boot, of course.

Hardware is just too old, you need to upgrade, RAM and processor...then it should work!
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Nope. I've tried to install it twice, and both times it has worked... Until the boot, of course.
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The installer runs on older hardware, the actual OS needs much more powerful hardware.

Ah, okay. Then I might try to find new uses for the hardware. That'd be $100, probably... At the cheapest. I'm already getting a new laptop, and I'm building a PC for senior project... so that's not going to happen. Thanks, though!

Are maybe that copy you downloaded is ****ed
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Perhaps your processor doesn't support PAE or it's not enabled in your BIOS.

Ram too less......processor ok.
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Its a combination of not enough ram and unsupported chip. I don't think it will even run metro with only half a gig of ram
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I'm agreeing with everyone else, if you want a more up to date useable system then I'd try putting some form of Linux on there
X10mam
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Shall I sell my NOTE Pro 12.2 and get the Surface Pro 3?

The SP3 has been announced. It is of similar weight as the Note PRO, same size, has stylus and touch screen, similar or better power consumption and run Windows. Is there any reason that I should keep the PRO 12.2 rather than trading it in for the SP3?

Have to admit that I'm tempted as well. The only thing is that many android apps aren't available for win8.1. Although you could run android in a virtual machine...
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If CyanogenMod can add the SM-P900 to their build list, pretty sure I'd keep it...
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What kind of Android apps that do not have an equivalent or superior version under Windows or Mac OS? If that SP3 were running Mac OS, I would definitely trade in.

hajime_android said:
The SP3 has been announced. It is of similar weight as the Note PRO, same size, has stylus and touch screen, similar or better power consumption and run Windows. Is there any reason that I should keep the PRO 12.2 rather than trading it in for the SP3?
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I sold mine. Not for a windows tablet though.
Just couldn't stand the lack of development for the tablet.

What's the price of the Surface Pro 3? I read somewhere that it's in the $1900 range . .
Edit: Guess thats the high end one, low end starts at $800.

Mine is on the way.. Damn. If the pen technology is the same, i will keep the note, as the surface pro will likely retail at around 750 gbp since its 800 dollars. The note pro was recently discounted thus bought it cheaper at 500 gbp. I hope the note taking is not better than the note
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Yeah the surface pro 3 is going to be a good laptop replacement. I'll stick with android though, I like my toys and want to tinker with things. When development gets going on this tablet things should be fun.
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Will it though?
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It's tempting, VERY tempting, untill you take a look at this:
Intel Core i3, 64 GB storage and 4 GB of RAM—$799
Intel Core i5, 128 GB storage and 4 GB of RAM—$999
Intel Core i5, 256 GB storage and 8 GB of RAM—$1,299
Intel Core i7, 256 GB storage and 8 GB of RAM—$1,549
Intel Core i7, 512 GB storage and 8 GB of RAM—$1,949
I'd want the one I could use as a real PC, and I'd want to be able to play my Games on it. And for 1949, I'll just buy my own gaming laptop(i7 3.2Ghz, 2TB, 16GBRAM, GT740M 4GB) again and take that with me. (Size and weight are of no importance to me, what's 1.5kg on an average 40kg backpack?). And still have enough money left to buy a TabPro for portable entertainment purposes.
12.2" is not enough for my work usage (As a graphic designer I require at least 22").
Also, it runs a Intel HD 4400 integrated GPU. No way in hell am I paying 2000 quid for that nightmarish piece of rubbish! Running Photoshop CS6 on an Intel HD, as if! Also, as a serious Gamer (Skyrim, Mass Effect), it's useless.
Once it starts having serious Nvidia GPU's, I'll consider it. For now I'm more than happy with my NotePro.

The key consideration in question is the 800 quid model
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Yeah i am probably getting it. I have the original Surface pro and needed a larger screen - i like it thinned down alittle and all the other refinements they did. If you are in the US looking for a good deal on the Note pro- PM me.

hajime_android said:
What kind of Android apps that do not have an equivalent or superior version under Windows or Mac OS? If that SP3 were running Mac OS, I would definitely trade in.
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Android and iOS are great for consumption. Windows is great for productivity and business connectivity. Android fakes productivity better than Windows fakes consumption. Windows is Windows. With driver issues, desktop apps not designed for touch or an ultra HD display, and having to rely on a browser for a lot of things where apps aren't available. The SP3 changes none of that. My Note is a far better laptop supplement than the SP3 is a stand-alone tablet. My "laptop replacement" is still a laptop and Samsung's Pros and the SP3 haven't changed my thinking. What has changed is I can now leave my laptop and its bag full of paraphernalia at home 50% of the time because of the productivity and performance gains Samsung's introduced with the Pro's.
The second vignette in this commercial says it all...
P.S. - For those who handwriting is important, research N-trig. It's what MS is using in place of an active digitizer and Wacom which Samsung uses on the Notes. It's a pretty big compromise and I'll bet highly problematic on such a high-res display.

BarryH_GEG said:
Android and iOS are great for consumption. Windows is great for productivity and business connectivity. Android fakes productivity better than Windows fakes consumption. Windows is Windows. With driver issues, desktop apps not designed for touch or an ultra HD display, and having to rely on a browser for a lot of things where apps aren't available. The SP3 changes none of that. My Note is a far better laptop supplement than the SP3 is a stand-alone tablet. My "laptop replacement" is still a laptop and Samsung's Pros and the SP3 haven't changed my thinking. What has changed is I can now leave my laptop and its bag full of paraphernalia at home 50% of the time because of the productivity and performance gains Samsung's introduced with the Pro's.
The second vignette in this commercial says it all...
P.S. - For those who handwriting is important, research N-trig. It's what MS is using in place of an active digitizer and Wacom which Samsung uses on the Notes. It's a pretty big compromise and I'll bet highly problematic on such a high-res display.
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Mines got the retina thingy lmao
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ryant100 said:
Mines got the retina thingy lmao
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You have to give Samsung credit. In less than a minute they took out the iPad Air, Surface, Kindle, and iPad Mini.

BarryH_GEG said:
Android and iOS are great for consumption. Windows is great for productivity and business connectivity. Android fakes productivity better than Windows fakes consumption. Windows is Windows. With driver issues, desktop apps not designed for touch or an ultra HD display, and having to rely on a browser for a lot of things where apps aren't available. The SP3 changes none of that. My Note is a far better laptop supplement than the SP3 is a stand-alone tablet. My "laptop replacement" is still a laptop and Samsung's Pros and the SP3 haven't changed my thinking. What has changed is I can now leave my laptop and its bag full of paraphernalia at home 50% of the time because of the productivity and performance gains Samsung's introduced with the Pro's.
The second vignette in this commercial says it all...
P.S. - For those who handwriting is important, research N-trig. It's what MS is using in place of an active digitizer and Wacom which Samsung uses on the Notes. It's a pretty big compromise and I'll bet highly problematic on such a high-res display.
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Yeah if the note taking is expected to be better in Note pro 12, then I am sticking to it. mine is on the way. but microsoft made a fuss about their pen technology being really good with surface pro 3..

nesx87 said:
Yeah if the note taking is expected to be better in Note pro 12, then I am sticking to it. mine is on the way. but microsoft made a fuss about their pen technology being really good with surface pro 3..
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Good point. Though I'm still not convinced of the Windows 8.1 as a tablet interface. Android feels more comfortable for tablet use, and I can customize it quite a lot (Switchr + NotesMobile which I feel is the best note taking app, beats even OneNote though misses on the online sync).
So for extensive reading and writing(wacom!) Note Pro really is the best available. For more productive work I still can't forego windows, and that is on a laptop with a big screen (14+).
Maybe Windows 9 and Office 2015 can change my mind. But will wait and see.

ShadowLea said:
It's tempting, VERY tempting, untill you take a look at this:
Intel Core i3, 64 GB storage and 4 GB of RAM—$799
Intel Core i5, 128 GB storage and 4 GB of RAM—$999
Intel Core i5, 256 GB storage and 8 GB of RAM—$1,299
Intel Core i7, 256 GB storage and 8 GB of RAM—$1,549
Intel Core i7, 512 GB storage and 8 GB of RAM—$1,949
I'd want the one I could use as a real PC, and I'd want to be able to play my Games on it. And for 1949, I'll just buy my own gaming laptop(i7 3.2Ghz, 2TB, 16GBRAM, GT740M 4GB) again and take that with me. (Size and weight are of no importance to me, what's 1.5kg on an average 40kg backpack?). And still have enough money left to buy a TabPro for portable entertainment purposes.
12.2" is not enough for my work usage (As a graphic designer I require at least 22").
Also, it runs a Intel HD 4400 integrated GPU. No way in hell am I paying 2000 quid for that nightmarish piece of rubbish! Running Photoshop CS6 on an Intel HD, as if! Also, as a serious Gamer (Skyrim, Mass Effect), it's useless.
Once it starts having serious Nvidia GPU's, I'll consider it. For now I'm more than happy with my NotePro.
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I don't think SP3 is designed for game lover. It is a replacement for laptop. So it is very tempting for the people who have Note Pro or is considering Note Pro.
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Alexsandra said:
I don't think SP3 is designed for game lover. It is a replacement for laptop. So it is very tempting for the people who have Note Pro or is considering Note Pro.
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If it has to replace my laptop, it has to be game-capable. Particularly if it's 500 quid more expensive than my laptop.... (Yes, my laptop was 1300 euro.)
Because my laptop is used 70% of the time for gaming. (and the other 30% for Photoshop)
They can't give it a general tagline and after the fact say "Oh, but we didn't mean that..".

The thing is though that the need for portability and the power requirements of high performance gaming graphics chipsets compete against each other. Desktops always trump laptops in gaming and because the tablet form factor is expected to be smaller than laptops they will always be trumped by laptops.
As for development on this tablet hopefully it will come; in the meantime modifications using Xposed fill the void quite well.
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ShadowLea said:
It's tempting, VERY tempting, untill you take a look at this:
Intel Core i7, 512 GB storage and 8 GB of RAM—$1,949
Also, it runs a Intel HD 4400 integrated GPU. No way in hell am I paying 2000 quid for that nightmarish piece of rubbish! Running Photoshop CS6 on an Intel HD, as if! Also, as a serious Gamer (Skyrim, Mass Effect), it's useless.
Once it starts having serious Nvidia GPU's, I'll consider it. For now I'm more than happy with my NotePro.
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2 grand for the one I would want, and stupid on board intel HD graphics? Going to have to pass on that. Zeesh.