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So just looked at an update on it at engadget. Im a bit confused... Sony says it will deliver silky smooth play at 60 frames. Cool. How's this possible on g2 hardware? Snapdragon coupled with adreno 205. Am I missing something? Does Sony have some amazing optimization that unlocks some extra performance out of this hardware? Gotta admit I was a bit disappointed when I read the specs on it.
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Maybe its a newer gen snapdragon with 1.2 ghz like the hummingbird for the infuse
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No it says 1ghz snapdragon. Maybe it has something with the sony bravia graphics engine they talk about on all there xperia phones. I'm with you though I thought for a gaming specific phone the specs would be a little better. Verizon is said to get it exclusively here in the US.
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I can't wait for this thing to get released. The instant it is, I sure hope some devs start pulling it out and making it available for our phones. Using a game gripper would make it awesome on the Epic.
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I can't wait for this thing to get released. The instant it is, I sure hope some devs start pulling it out and making it available for our phones. Using a game gripper would make it awesome on the Epic.
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+1 on this. Since the phone gives companies to make controls for the xperia play, a game gripper in the style of the Play would be really cool
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Maybe its a newer gen snapdragon with 1.2 ghz like the hummingbird for the infuse
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Nah Engadget tested it as going up to 1 GHz, and it's got an Adreno 205.
There's always a chance that they upclocked the Adreno 205 even higher, but I doubt it.
More likely it's got some quality LPDDR2 memory in there. Mobile GPUs are usually bottlenecked by the RAM in the device.
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I can't wait for this thing to get released. The instant it is, I sure hope some devs start pulling it out and making it available for our phones. Using a game gripper would make it awesome on the Epic.
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The software will be open for other android phones as l9ng as they're 2.3 or higher. So, there should be no issues, assuming we get a fully functional GB port.
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Well me and my buddy just downloaded epic citadel on his i4 and its amazing. If this is what epic.can do with the.same gpu that's in the evo I don't know.what.our.powervx540 gpus can do. From my understanding adreno 205 is the.gen above whatever adreno is in the evo...
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They can always do the oldest trick in the book..render it for half the pixel size then rescale it...
Adreno 205 is a bit slower than our GPU, however, the Play is using dual channel ddr2 memory @ 300 Mhz, so it should be able to feed the Adreno205 quite nicely.
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Adreno 205 is a bit slower than our GPU, however, the Play is using dual channel ddr2 memory @ 300 Mhz, so it should be able to feed the Adreno205 quite nicely.
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Not sure where you're getting that info from... that chipset doesn't have a dual-channel memory controller; the MSM89xx series will be the first to support that ability. The LPDDR2 memory at 300 MHz sounds about right though.
I got it straight from the Sony Ericcson Dev Blog
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/developerworld/2011/02/13/xperia-play-announced/
I just noticed that some high end games are being released for tegra2 chips only. Shouldn't the hummingbird be fast enough to run these games. Our phones is on part with the iphone 4 correct? Take samurai 2, that game looks sweet but won't even show up in the market for me. It's only an iphone port. What do you guys think?
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Yes, the hummingbird is fast, but the Tegra 2 chipset is ridiculously faster.
Not ridiculously faster. Incrementally faster.
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Our gpu is more advanced than the iphone gpu
And I think the tegra 2 uses the same gpu as the humingbird, just clocked faster
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Here is a GPU comparison for some of the leading smartphones:
* Motorola Droid: TI OMAP3430 with PowerVR SGX530 = 7-14 million(?) triangles/sec
* Nexus One: Qualcomm QSD8x50 with Adreno 200 = 22 million triangles/sec
* iPhone 3G S: 600 MHz Cortex-A8 with PowerVR SGX535 = 7 million triangles/sec
* Samsung Galaxy S: S5PC110 with PowerVR SGX540 = 90 million triangles/sec
And for comparison a few consoles:
* PS3: 250 million triangles/sec
* Xbox 360: 500 million triangles/sec
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Tegra2 does ~85-90 mil/sec. Right on par with our phones. HOWEVER They have a different set of APIs that game designers can use to make calls directly to some Tegra2 specific stuff. That's not saying ours don't have the ass to do it, but we just don't have the same ****. Pretty simple enough answer eh?
My main point is that our phones are capable of running amazing games but we are not getting the opportunity. There is only one phone with a tegra2 chip but how many hummingbird phones as there?
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There are half a dozen incoming phones with tegra 2 not to mention 4 tablets while only the galaxy s has hummingbird
I'm jealous we won't see games like that for our phones.
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Tegra 2is gonna be the new snapdragon
I'm waiting for an exynos tablet :drool:
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Isn't there a way to trick the Market into thinking we're one of those phones? Of course the apps may not work if they are using any of those APIs...
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Here is a GPU comparison for some of the leading smartphones:
* Motorola Droid: TI OMAP3430 with PowerVR SGX530 = 7-14 million(?) triangles/sec
* Nexus One: Qualcomm QSD8x50 with Adreno 200 = 22 million triangles/sec
* iPhone 3G S: 600 MHz Cortex-A8 with PowerVR SGX535 = 7 million triangles/sec
* Samsung Galaxy S: S5PC110 with PowerVR SGX540 = 90 million triangles/sec
And for comparison a few consoles:
* PS3: 250 million triangles/sec
* Xbox 360: 500 million triangles/sec
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Tegra2 does ~85-90 mil/sec. Right on par with our phones. HOWEVER They have a different set of APIs that game designers can use to make calls directly to some Tegra2 specific stuff. That's not saying ours don't have the ass to do it, but we just don't have the same ****. Pretty simple enough answer eh?
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That's what I was going to say but I'm going to extend it a little further. I read somewhere that nVidia's Tegra GPU renders things the same way that desktop GPUs do. Meaning that depending on the game either the SGX540 or Tegra 2 will beat out the other drastically.
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Isn't there a way to trick the Market into thinking we're one of those phones? Of course the apps may not work if they are using any of those APIs...
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nVidia's Tegra Zone game market app showed up for me and I downloaded that. There's Fruit Ninja THD for $5.
I type tegra zone and was able to.download the app and it worked but i only saw like 7 games there and none were really special.
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The scary thing is that all the awesome games are going to be made exculsivley for tetra 2 chips leaving our awesome phones behind. There is only 1 tetra 2 phone out now with several soon to arrive. We have close 10 different hummingbirds variants out. Why no love?
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Nvidia is paying these devs to bring their game into nvidias world to temp buyers.
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Nvidia is paying these devs to bring their game into nvidias world to temp buyers.
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That makes sense and is something Samsung should have done.
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Yes, the hummingbird is fast, but the Tegra 2 chipset is ridiculously faster.
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If we're talking GPUs, no, it's not ridiculously faster. It does perform better, but not amazingly so.
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Our gpu is more advanced than the iphone gpu
And I think the tegra 2 uses the same gpu as the humingbird, just clocked faster
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No. The Tegra 2 GPU is an NVIDIA GPU, while the Hummingbird's PowerVR SGX540 is an Imagination Technologies GPU.
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That's what I was going to say but I'm going to extend it a little further. I read somewhere that nVidia's Tegra GPU renders things the same way that desktop GPUs do. Meaning that depending on the game either the SGX540 or Tegra 2 will beat out the other drastically.
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NVIDIA's Tegra 2 GPU has desktop GPU roots (it's based off of GeForce), but it does not render things the same way that desktop GPUs do. It's highly customized for power efficiency. Details here.
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This.
I wish Samsung pays developer good money to create games for their phone.
The data I have compiled comparing the Tegra 2 to the Hummingbird puts the Tegra 2 ahead by somewhere between 15-35% depending upon the application.
The "Tegra 2" only applications is just a way for an alliance between hardware and software devs. to sell more units. The SGX540 is in the same class of GPU compliance-wise and performance-wise and can certainly run most applications on-par with Tegra 2.
This reminds me of when you had to have Vista to get DX10 compliance. No reason other than Microsoft trying to give Vista sales a kick.
Welcome to market fragmentation... this was one of the reasons I waited so long to switch to Android from iOS. Only small groups of devices can run certain apps.
Who will win?
CPU Tegra vs A8 Cortex
RAM Ddr2'vs DDR
Harddrive 16gigs vs 4gigs
Screen 4inch Qhd vs 4.3 inch Qhd
Camera 5mp 1080p vs 1080 p dual back camera
Network Att hsupa vs Wimax
OS Froyo vs Leaked 2.3 on Evo 3d
CPU Speed Dual Core 1ghz vs Dualcore 1.2ghz on Evo 3d
So who will win?
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Who will win?
CPU Tegra vs A8 Cortex
RAM Ddr2'vs DDR
Harddrive 16gigs vs 4gigs
Screen 4inch Qhd vs 4.3 inch Qhd
Camera 5mp 1080p vs 1080 p dual back camera
Network Att hsupa vs Wimax
OS Froyo vs Leaked 2.3 on Evo 3d
CPU Speed Dual Core 1ghz vs Dualcore 1.2ghz on Evo 3d
So who will win?
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3D? That just seems "gimicky". They should have spent more on a single higher MP camera on the back and a better one on the front.
http://phandroid.com/2011/03/16/benchmark-shows-htc-pyramids-dual-core-snapdragon-cant-best-tegra-2/
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Who will win?
CPU Tegra vs A8 Cortex
RAM Ddr2'vs DDR
Harddrive 16gigs vs 4gigs
Screen 4inch Qhd vs 4.3 inch Qhd
Camera 5mp 1080p vs 1080 p dual back camera
Network Att hsupa vs Wimax
OS Froyo vs Leaked 2.3 on Evo 3d
CPU Speed Dual Core 1ghz vs Dualcore 1.2ghz on Evo 3d
So who will win?
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yeah, I think we all know who wins there.
Who?
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Who will win?
CPU Tegra vs A8 Cortex
RAM Ddr2'vs DDR
Harddrive 16gigs vs 4gigs
Screen 4inch Qhd vs 4.3 inch Qhd
Camera 5mp 1080p vs 1080 p dual back camera
Network Att hsupa vs Wimax
OS Froyo vs Leaked 2.3 on Evo 3d
CPU Speed Dual Core 1ghz vs Dualcore 1.2ghz on Evo 3d
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well if youre just purely going on specs, the atrix wins.
Tegra-supported games are out.
DDR 2 is technically faster
16gb is bigger than 4gb
4" qHD has a higher pixel density
3D is a gimmick
Once HSUPA is enabled, ATT 3g is much faster than Sprint's 3g. WiMax drains battery like no other
This is the only place where the evo 3d "wins," with 2.3 - but atrix will receive an update
See benchmarks
Games being supported is not really something that should be considered a win since they will be developed for hardware once it becomes available. Also higher pixel density is nice but you must also consider the larger screen space( thumbs on a smaller screen take up much more away from the viewing area) 3D may be a gimmick but the other doesn't have it so it cannot compare in that regard. Att service is spotty so if you do get service that doesn't mean it will be maxed out. What needs to be compared here is pure hardware, which cannot be changed or upgraded.
For instance the DDR2 like you mentioned earlier.
I am very interest in how these phone compare as well.
The Tegra is a really well made chip though, sorry but the speed of a CPU doesn't mean how efficient it is. If you have a chip that does high multimedia extremely well, it doesn't matter how fast it is. The A8 Cortex isn't made for high multimedia so it will lose in the long run.
EVO 3D has a single core CPU not dual core.
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EVO 3D has a single core CPU not dual core.
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umm. as far as i know, its a dual core
in theory. the EVO 3d is faster. much faster. the Cortex is amazing processor.
but because of the 3D and the way it needs to be rendered twice. the phone will be lag.
its intresting to see how it works. i have been eyeing the LG 3D for sometime now.
problem is EVO 3D wont work in my country if its CDMA. so i wont be able to import it. for that reason alone. go atrix go --_--
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umm. as far as i know, its a dual core
in theory. the EVO 3d is faster. much faster. the Cortex is amazing processor.
but because of the 3D and the way it needs to be rendered twice. the phone will be lag.
its intresting to see how it works. i have been eyeing the LG 3D for sometime now.
problem is EVO 3D wont work in my country if its CDMA. so i wont be able to import it. for that reason alone. go atrix go --_--
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The Tegra 250 in the atrix is a dual core Cortex A9. The MSM8660 in the Evo 3D is a dual core with a custom Qualcomm ARM compatible core.
You can't compare different architecture processors by clockspeed alone. They also have totally different GPUs.
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EVO 3D has a single core CPU not dual core.
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/qualcomm-ships-first-dual-core-snapdragon-chipsets-clocking-1-2g/
The Evo 3D uses the MSM8660
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011/03/19/htc-evo-3d-htc-evo-view-specifications-partially-leaked/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/19/htc-evo-3d-evo-view-4g-specs-revealed-ahead-of-sprints-ctia-an/
too early to talk about evo 3d..
3d monitor is not that useful right now,, unless google promotes it seriously.
what is more, i am expecting at least a quarter delay, because of what happens in japan and most 3d cellphone lcds made there.
so the htc evo 3D processor is faster than the one on my atrix ????
I played with my friends evo 3d and loved the camera. I would kill for a 3d dslr now.
It's not all about dual core or single core. It's about how software optimizes the GPU/CPU
Phandroid posted an article about a guy who ran 720p video Youtube using Adobe Flash and the SINGLE core Adreno 203 Qualcomm MSM 7230 clocked at 800mhz bested the Atrix.
Let's just say in terms of benchmarks, the Atrix may be better and such, but it's about real world performance.
No one is going to run 720p youtube video off their phone, but again, it's about optimization of software.
Motorola, good hardware, **** software. Get it? LOL
http://phandroid.com/2011/06/15/qua...re-tegra-2-for-flash-content-supremecy-video/
Evo 3d from the earth and the atrix from space. It is a shame to compare both. Motorola's both hardware and software is good. HTC 's dont offer more than a rainbow style ui which can't even resize its widgets. Its software is so ****ty that their phones don't even hold a charge for whole day. In the meantime motorola offers you flexibility and professional workspace with its ui + webtop.
I am really surprised to see how some people can continue to talk nonsense over here. Atrix pawns all and i think that wont change till the release of ip5. I know that it is really hard for these htc fanboys to accept motorola pawned them.
You'll get used to the reality hardly and slowly
Cortex-A8 is single core clocked between 600Mhz and 1GHz. My Nokia N900 has one.
I'm pretty sure they're still advertising the Atrix as the "World's most powerful smartphone." I did see a commercial for the Evo 3d, and go "damn. now I have to get that." but then I remembered I have an Atrix, and 3d vs. Webtop would be the only noticeable difference to me (aside from UI of course).
Yep so I just found out that the atrix has an 8 core GPU thanks to the forum members below.
This seems amazing considering the SGSII has a quad core GPU
Check this out:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra-2.html
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Check this out:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/tegra-2.html
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OMG 8 cores?
So it is better than the SGS2
8 core GPU
Seems like so. From what i'm reading just now, the SGSII has a Mali-400MP4 which is only a quad core. Wow, Nvidia you outdid yourself. lol
Why dont they advertise the 8 core GPU?
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Why dont they advertise the 8 core GPU?
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probably cause not many people know or even care what it is and moto and att didnt see it as a selling point
Dang, and to think I was always of the opinion that the Galaxy S phones had more GPU power than my Atrix.. Damn you AT&T.
not surprised as it's a geforce core
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probably cause not many people know or even care what it is and moto and att didnt see it as a selling point
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well they advertise the dual core CPU
Says it supports 12mp primary camera?
The next tegra is a quad core cpu, 12 core gpu. Its going to be a monster.
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well they advertise the dual core CPU
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that is always a big selling point in todays market
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OMG 8 cores?
So it is better than the SGS2
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Holy Moly. 8 core GPU?
And the SGSII only has 4 core GPU?
The Atrix wins overall. No question about it.
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Extra cores do not necessarily translate to win. Tegra is awesome, but has its limits, which are far more apparent than in the new Galaxy 2, which appears to be the most powerful Android phone to date.
YAY! 8 CORE GPU! what ever that means? lol
as far as i know. the SGS2 oxynes or whatever its called is more powerful than tegra 2.
not my much tho.
however Nvidia has an advantage of Tegra zone. games specific to take advantages of the Tegra 2.
and that alone is way better than playing the same game the nexus S plays well only smoother.
this makes Tegra 2 a better GPU imho hands down. but not the most powerful.
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Extra cores do not necessarily translate to win. Tegra is awesome, but has its limits, which are far more apparent than in the new Galaxy 2, which appears to be the most powerful Android phone to date.
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What drugs are you on? SGS II? The most powerful to date? No ways Laydee
The Atrix hasn't even shown its true colours yet. Wait till Gingerbread is released. This will be the REAL test.
Only then will it be clear whether Atrix or SGS II is the better handset.
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as far as i know. the SGS2 oxynes or whatever its called is more powerful than tegra 2.
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Its called Exynos, and NO, the reports out there peg the Tegra 2 to be better clock for clock.
Why do you think Samsung overclocked the Exynos to 1.2Ghz? To be competitive, because at 1Ghz it wasn't.
Samsung has won the Quadrant war for the moment, but lets see what the Tegra 2 overclocked to 1.2Ghz (unlock that bootloader damit!) and with AOS 2.3.3 can do. And the hardware war can't be won on just a SAMOLED+ screen thats still can't be viewed in direct sunlight, and is heavily pixelated at 4.3" & 800x480 resolution (I certainly prefer qHD).
The Geforce ULV GPU in the Tegra 2 SoC is based on the Nvidia Geforce 6 series GPU architecture from 2004.
Computer GPU's at the time where still using "pipelines" before introduction of "unified shaders" (those are easier to be called multi-core) with the release of the nvidia G80 GPU in late 2006.
Piplines architecture has dedicated instructions shaders (nvidia like to call them cores for marketing reasons and to piss off Intel!) for each of pixel and vertex processing tasks. A GPU of this kind can't help itself if the load was heavier at one side of those tasks.
Where in "unified shaders" architecture those shaders can morph to handle any instructions tasks based on the load.
So it's more correctly to say the nvidia GPU in the Atrix has 8 shaders, But and it's a big BUT.. 4 of them must be preserved for the pixel processing and the other 4 must be preserved for vertex processing.
Which is the best processor of these?
i) Snapdragon
ii)ARM Cortex A8
Most likely the Arm because of its gaming score and all that animation stuff. The snapdragon is a beast at CPU speed though. So I guess its opinion of what u want?
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Snap dragon = ARM CORTEX A7
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Snap dragon = ARM CORTEX A7
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That's not correct at all
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Snap dragon = ARM CORTEX A7
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Not at all...
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Snapdragon all the way!! as its pretty much similar to Cortex-A8, but has better performance altogether
Complicated question....
Which coretex A8 are you taking about? The one in the sgs or droid? And which snapdragon? Depending on the generation/series of chip they are pretty similar.
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Complicated question....
Which coretex A8 are you taking about? The one in the sgs or droid? And which snapdragon? Depending on the generation/series of chip they are pretty similar.
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x10i and galaxy s processor
The adreno gpu in snapdragon is a dog. The cortex power vr ones are far better. As far as the CPU, it's much the muchness...
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Consolation summed it up perfectly!
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Core i7 and the top model of that series.
So far the most power i have seen in a mobile phone cpu and gpu...
Dualcore cpu. Nvidia tegra2 gpu.
That little tegra chip is severely aggressive.
I love the way it can stream several sources of video at the same time.
Plus the ability for dual view... on a phone.. A phone!
Too awesome.
Nvidia Tegra
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Nvidia Tegra
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tegra isn't the cpu, tegra is a dual core cortex a9
these votes make me laugh, the cortex is a much better processor. Hence why androids technology is going towards cortex currently...
The qualcomm stuff is getting outdated quick.
Buying a phone with a qualcomm processor now would be a huge mistake imo
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these votes make me laugh, the cortex is a much better processor. Hence why androids technology is going towards cortex currently...
The qualcomm stuff is getting outdated quick.
Buying a phone with a qualcomm processor now would be a huge mistake imo
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Depends on which qualcoms you are talking about. The one in arc is outdated. The new ones are right up there.
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Depends on which qualcoms you are talking about. The one in arc is outdated. The new ones are right up there.
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Many/most newer phones are going to be cortex-based (tegra 2 specifically) due to the better graphical performance for games, etc...
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Many/most newer phones are going to be cortex-based (tegra 2 specifically) due to the better graphical performance for games, etc...
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It's true.. tegra2 FTW
fiscidtox said:
these votes make me laugh, the cortex is a much better processor. Hence why androids technology is going towards cortex currently...
The qualcomm stuff is getting outdated quick.
Buying a phone with a qualcomm processor now would be a huge mistake imo
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Snapdragon = a8 CPU. BUT, the GPU is much crappier. However, if you have a device without a very high Res screen and you don't play games, you won't notice the difference.
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Snapdragon = a8 CPU. BUT, the GPU is much crappier. However, if you have a device without a very high Res screen and you don't play games, you won't notice the difference.
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Lol that isn't true at all. a snapdragon is not a cortex a8.....
Snapdragon is made by qualcomm.....