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Epic 4g vs tegra 2...

So I like many of you am thinking of jumping to tegra 2 within the.next year. I personally build pcs for myself and have always been a loyal fan of geforce gpu cards and nforce boards. So when I learned of tegra 2 I nearly creamed my pants. But after modding my phone running midnight I've turned this into a beast. Scoring 1100/2700 in smartbench and 2000 in quadrant I went looking for any benches tegra 2. I found a quadrant bench of the bionic and it scored around 2200. I know benches mean nothing but these scores are pretty close. What do you guys think are gonna be some advantages you see speed wise with tegra? Im trying to determine if the jump would be worth it...
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Tegra 2 will murder Epic's gpu,i would say its 3-4 times more powerfull.But who want Tegra without Super Amoled?lol,not me.

Good point lol I know samsung sucks at updates but I think if they get the sgs2 right ill be looking forward to it. Samoled is amazing. I want a 42 inch samoled tv. Wow I just really thought about that and it sounds amazing.
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lviv73 said:
Tegra 2 will murder Epic's gpu,i would say its 3-4 times more powerfull.But who want Tegra without Super Amoled?lol,not me.
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The Tegra 2 GPU is not 3-4 times more powerful...if anything the GPU is where the Epic is closest to the Tegra 2..(of course the Tegra 2 GPU supports some nice new protocols but in terms of raw power)
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So I like many of you am thinking of jumping to tegra 2 within the.next year. I personally build pcs for myself and have always been a loyal fan of geforce gpu cards and nforce boards. So when I learned of tegra 2 I nearly creamed my pants. But after modding my phone running midnight I've turned this into a beast. Scoring 1100/2700 in smartbench and 2000 in quadrant I went looking for any benches tegra 2. I found a quadrant bench of the bionic and it scored around 2200. I know benches mean nothing but these scores are pretty close. What do you guys think are gonna be some advantages you see speed wise with tegra? Im trying to determine if the jump would be worth it...
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Here is the things to consider besides quadrant being flawed:
1) The Tegra 2 right now is not optimized and is not using the dual core..its only using 1 core..Dual Core support and optimizations will come with Honeycomb..
2) The Hummingbird is also not optimized and will be optimized in Gingerbread
3) The GPU on the Epic dithers at 24bit while Tegra 2 still does 16bit dithering...
4) The GPU on the Epic is FPS locked...so its definitely capable of more..
Its kinda hard to say what the performance will be of both once the smoke clears..but the Tegra 2 is 40nm and is based of Cortex A9 which give it a lot of advantages..the disadvantages would lie in whether or not applications would support dual core and if they will when and how efficiently..
I estimate though Tegra 2 would definitely win on CPU processing from 25%-100% depending on whether or not it can use both cores..and in terms of GPU it would be around the same to 50% better depending if there is dual core support or not...(assuming that we unlock the FPS and find a way to make it dither the same amount of bits)
Edit: Forgot to add a conclusion~~
Conclusion is that a Tegra 2 is definitely an upgrade BUT until Honeycomb comes into play we would definitely be competitive...beyond that we won't be a slouch(I mean people still use EVOs even though ours is superior by a good margin)..but its no question Tegra 2 will surpass us..
Oh and on the Nvidia tibit...I am pretty pissed at them after what they did with the laptops..they have been serving faulty chipsets for laptops for YEARS and bribing manufacturers to use them..which has me pretty pissed...even though I hear latest chipsets 400+ series are ok..but I probably won't be buying a nvidia laptop for a while..desktop gpus are ok with me though..
RushAOZ said:
Good point lol I know samsung sucks at updates but I think if they get the sgs2 right ill be looking forward to it. Samoled is amazing. I want a 42 inch samoled tv. Wow I just really thought about that and it sounds amazing.
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Usually TVs tend to be Passive Matrix OLED and not Active Matrix OLED..anyways..that said I have seen an OLED TV at CES 2011..Don't now exact size it was as I viewed from a distance and had a person distracting me..I think it was 32"-46" somewhere there..and I'll tell you this IT WAS OUT OF THIS WORLD...or more precisely in this world..it was like looking through a glass window and they could pop out any time..thats how realistic it looked...I mean those 3rd TVs are suppose to "come out" but I think thats over-rated..look at an OLED TV and thats where its at..it was simply amazing...

Check out Galaxy S2.

I want the atrix on sprint. Seriously though has spelrint even announced any dual cores coming out this year?
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musclehead84 said:
I want the atrix on sprint. Seriously though has spelrint even announced any dual cores coming out this year?
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I'm sure i wasn't the only one that noticed that none of the big CES phones were for sprint.... I don't think sprint even had a showing at CES

Were waiting for the 12th for they're announcement. The attic does sound amazing... but I don't like Motorola at all. I hate the droids and every moto phone I've had screwed me one way or another. I just hope that sprint nails the best version of the sgs2. Epic 2 4g
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I thought it was Feb 7th?

ort84 said:
I thought it was Feb 7th?
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it Is 8)
http://www.androidcentral.com/whats-sprint-conjuring-feb-7

I'm personally waiting for orion to make the jump to dual core. The tegra 2 is a nice upgrade for a non-hummingbird
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What in your opinion is going to be the best dual core processors? Example tegra, Orion,nvida etc.
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Anybody know the specs on the supposed epic 2?
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Were waiting for the 12th for they're announcement. The attic does sound amazing... but I don't like Motorola at all. I hate the droids and every moto phone I've had screwed me one way or another. I just hope that sprint nails the best version of the sgs2. Epic 2 4g
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That is true of all phones except the razor. That was one well made phone, even see ones at least based off them these days. Those used to not break, remember when cell phones didn't break daily?

I'm sure soon the quadcore in the new ngp psp is going in a phone.
I just doubt seriously that it makes much of a difference at all as android at this point is not capable of running multiple threads from my understanding. The Nvidia GPU in the tegra 2 phones is pretty much on the same performance level as ours so thats not even a factor.
The rumor mill has GB offering up true multi core support on the phone, we will see how that goes, because the rumor mill had froyo supporting it too.
Multi core CPU's are awesome if you are endlessly running multiple cpu intensive tasks, on your phone I doubt you will be.

musclehead84 said:
What in your opinion is going to be the best dual core processors? Example tegra, Orion,nvida etc.
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Orion! I mean hummingbird is te best single core...so why would samsung pass the crown? Lol but nah the tegra is probably gonna be the worst since its the first, but just because its the worst does not mean its bad at all lol
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musclehead84 said:
What in your opinion is going to be the best dual core processors? Example tegra, Orion,nvida etc.
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Hard to say really...there really is no benchmarks or live phones to tell..
The Tegra 2 seems to support more new specs/features on their GPU...the Orion will be bundled with the MALI-400 and the snapdragon has its Adreno which seems to be promising performance on par with our current Hummignbird but will have a 1.2ghz dual core which might help it in cpu (Though Tegra 2.5 will come this year too with 1.2ghz), the OMAP chose the SGX540 which is hard to say how they will utilize it..
See its kinda a mixed bag...as we don't have any phones to try out..
IF I were to guess out of all the Dual cores this year..the best performance would either be the Tegra 2.5 or the Orion..:/
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I'm sure soon the quadcore in the new ngp psp is going in a phone.
I just doubt seriously that it makes much of a difference at all as android at this point is not capable of running multiple threads from my understanding. The Nvidia GPU in the tegra 2 phones is pretty much on the same performance level as ours so thats not even a factor.
The rumor mill has GB offering up true multi core support on the phone, we will see how that goes, because the rumor mill had froyo supporting it too.
Multi core CPU's are awesome if you are endlessly running multiple cpu intensive tasks, on your phone I doubt you will be.
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Multi-core support comes with Honeycomb :/..but yeh the 4 core CPU and a SGX543MP4+ does look rather sweet on that PSP..

I could write a monster post here, since comparing SoC architecture is a hobby of mine.
But, I'm tired, so I'm just going to drop links and say a few words.
http://briefmobile.com/lg-optimus-2x-benchmarked-defies-special-relativity
http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_90715.html
Obviously NVIDIA's stuff has to be taken with a grain of salt (it has a certain amount of marketing spin thrown in) but thus far has been fairly accurate when compared to actual performance numbers.
Samsung is using Tegra 2 (we've caught them accepting orders for large numbers of Tegra 2 processors) so Orion is either still in the works or has been placed on the backburner. TI is prepping their OMAP 4400, which hopefully will feature some tweaks (not something TI is known for however) to keep it competitive with the fairly hard-copy Tegra 2 ARM Cortex-A9.
And let's not forget Qualcomm. They may not be technically using Cortex-A9, but with their license to customize the ARM instruction set and CPU architecture as they see fit (something that NVIDIA, Samsung, and TI haven't paid to do), they have the ability to modify their SoCs to remain competitive, no matter what the other guys do. Their only major drawback is the time and money they need to spend on R&D.
Alright, I didn't want to write a book so I'm going to stop myself here. If you want to see me rattle on for pages about this stuff, read this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=907182

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Dungeon Defender on the Optimus 2X
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Runs exactly the same as it does on my epic, I'm not sure the point with that?
gTen we will see if its there when its released. Until then all those dual cores don't do much.

Atrix 4g vs evo 3d

Who will win?
CPU Tegra vs A8 Cortex
RAM Ddr2'vs DDR
Harddrive 16gigs vs 4gigs
Screen 4inch Qhd vs 4.3 inch Qhd
Camera 5mp 1080p vs 1080 p dual back camera
Network Att hsupa vs Wimax
OS Froyo vs Leaked 2.3 on Evo 3d
CPU Speed Dual Core 1ghz vs Dualcore 1.2ghz on Evo 3d
So who will win?
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nucentury08 said:
Who will win?
CPU Tegra vs A8 Cortex
RAM Ddr2'vs DDR
Harddrive 16gigs vs 4gigs
Screen 4inch Qhd vs 4.3 inch Qhd
Camera 5mp 1080p vs 1080 p dual back camera
Network Att hsupa vs Wimax
OS Froyo vs Leaked 2.3 on Evo 3d
CPU Speed Dual Core 1ghz vs Dualcore 1.2ghz on Evo 3d
So who will win?
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3D? That just seems "gimicky". They should have spent more on a single higher MP camera on the back and a better one on the front.

http://phandroid.com/2011/03/16/benchmark-shows-htc-pyramids-dual-core-snapdragon-cant-best-tegra-2/

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Who will win?
CPU Tegra vs A8 Cortex
RAM Ddr2'vs DDR
Harddrive 16gigs vs 4gigs
Screen 4inch Qhd vs 4.3 inch Qhd
Camera 5mp 1080p vs 1080 p dual back camera
Network Att hsupa vs Wimax
OS Froyo vs Leaked 2.3 on Evo 3d
CPU Speed Dual Core 1ghz vs Dualcore 1.2ghz on Evo 3d
So who will win?
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Yeah, I think we all know who wins there.

Who?
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nucentury08 said:
Who will win?
CPU Tegra vs A8 Cortex
RAM Ddr2'vs DDR
Harddrive 16gigs vs 4gigs
Screen 4inch Qhd vs 4.3 inch Qhd
Camera 5mp 1080p vs 1080 p dual back camera
Network Att hsupa vs Wimax
OS Froyo vs Leaked 2.3 on Evo 3d
CPU Speed Dual Core 1ghz vs Dualcore 1.2ghz on Evo 3d
So who will win?
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well if youre just purely going on specs, the atrix wins.
Tegra-supported games are out.
DDR 2 is technically faster
16gb is bigger than 4gb
4" qHD has a higher pixel density
3D is a gimmick
Once HSUPA is enabled, ATT 3g is much faster than Sprint's 3g. WiMax drains battery like no other
This is the only place where the evo 3d "wins," with 2.3 - but atrix will receive an update
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Games being supported is not really something that should be considered a win since they will be developed for hardware once it becomes available. Also higher pixel density is nice but you must also consider the larger screen space( thumbs on a smaller screen take up much more away from the viewing area) 3D may be a gimmick but the other doesn't have it so it cannot compare in that regard. Att service is spotty so if you do get service that doesn't mean it will be maxed out. What needs to be compared here is pure hardware, which cannot be changed or upgraded.
For instance the DDR2 like you mentioned earlier.
I am very interest in how these phone compare as well.

The Tegra is a really well made chip though, sorry but the speed of a CPU doesn't mean how efficient it is. If you have a chip that does high multimedia extremely well, it doesn't matter how fast it is. The A8 Cortex isn't made for high multimedia so it will lose in the long run.

EVO 3D has a single core CPU not dual core.
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EVO 3D has a single core CPU not dual core.
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umm. as far as i know, its a dual core
in theory. the EVO 3d is faster. much faster. the Cortex is amazing processor.
but because of the 3D and the way it needs to be rendered twice. the phone will be lag.
its intresting to see how it works. i have been eyeing the LG 3D for sometime now.
problem is EVO 3D wont work in my country if its CDMA. so i wont be able to import it. for that reason alone. go atrix go --_--

ll_l_x_l_ll said:
umm. as far as i know, its a dual core
in theory. the EVO 3d is faster. much faster. the Cortex is amazing processor.
but because of the 3D and the way it needs to be rendered twice. the phone will be lag.
its intresting to see how it works. i have been eyeing the LG 3D for sometime now.
problem is EVO 3D wont work in my country if its CDMA. so i wont be able to import it. for that reason alone. go atrix go --_--
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The Tegra 250 in the atrix is a dual core Cortex A9. The MSM8660 in the Evo 3D is a dual core with a custom Qualcomm ARM compatible core.
You can't compare different architecture processors by clockspeed alone. They also have totally different GPUs.

neer2005 said:
EVO 3D has a single core CPU not dual core.
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/qualcomm-ships-first-dual-core-snapdragon-chipsets-clocking-1-2g/
The Evo 3D uses the MSM8660
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011/03/19/htc-evo-3d-htc-evo-view-specifications-partially-leaked/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/19/htc-evo-3d-evo-view-4g-specs-revealed-ahead-of-sprints-ctia-an/

too early to talk about evo 3d..
3d monitor is not that useful right now,, unless google promotes it seriously.
what is more, i am expecting at least a quarter delay, because of what happens in japan and most 3d cellphone lcds made there.

so the htc evo 3D processor is faster than the one on my atrix ????

I played with my friends evo 3d and loved the camera. I would kill for a 3d dslr now.

It's not all about dual core or single core. It's about how software optimizes the GPU/CPU
Phandroid posted an article about a guy who ran 720p video Youtube using Adobe Flash and the SINGLE core Adreno 203 Qualcomm MSM 7230 clocked at 800mhz bested the Atrix.
Let's just say in terms of benchmarks, the Atrix may be better and such, but it's about real world performance.
No one is going to run 720p youtube video off their phone, but again, it's about optimization of software.
Motorola, good hardware, **** software. Get it? LOL
http://phandroid.com/2011/06/15/qua...re-tegra-2-for-flash-content-supremecy-video/

Evo 3d from the earth and the atrix from space. It is a shame to compare both. Motorola's both hardware and software is good. HTC 's dont offer more than a rainbow style ui which can't even resize its widgets. Its software is so ****ty that their phones don't even hold a charge for whole day. In the meantime motorola offers you flexibility and professional workspace with its ui + webtop.
I am really surprised to see how some people can continue to talk nonsense over here. Atrix pawns all and i think that wont change till the release of ip5. I know that it is really hard for these htc fanboys to accept motorola pawned them.
You'll get used to the reality hardly and slowly

Cortex-A8 is single core clocked between 600Mhz and 1GHz. My Nokia N900 has one.

I'm pretty sure they're still advertising the Atrix as the "World's most powerful smartphone." I did see a commercial for the Evo 3d, and go "damn. now I have to get that." but then I remembered I have an Atrix, and 3d vs. Webtop would be the only noticeable difference to me (aside from UI of course).

Thinking of getting one

Have an evo but I'm getting a Verizon dealer line. Is it worth it I'm a big gamer and will be getting an evo 3d to replace my evo. However I'm worried that the lack of good hardware will make the phone obsolete pretty quick..... thinking of getting a Droid x2 just for the tegra..... but not sure what advantages it would have. I'm also kind of worried about Sony portinhg enough stuff over to make it worth it.
Tho being able to run Rome on the built in emulator would be Perth awesome.
If I'm a huge gamer is it worth it. I really just want opinions on the device so any comments would be great.
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thorpe24 said:
Have an evo but I'm getting a Verizon dealer line. Is it worth it I'm a big gamer and will be getting an evo 3d to replace my evo. However I'm worried that the lack of good hardware will make the phone obsolete pretty quick..... thinking of getting a Droid x2 just for the tegra..... but not sure what advantages it would have. I'm also kind of worried about Sony portinhg enough stuff over to make it worth it.
Tho being able to run Rome on the built in emulator would be Perth awesome.
If I'm a huge gamer is it worth it. I really just want opinions on the device so any comments would be great.
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The evo 3Ds bootloader, recovery and kernel are locked down and signed, devs have said theres no way to get past it either lol so get a play
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Like games. Get a play. Simple.
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Thanks for the replies. I'm going to have two phones and figure the evo 3d would be pretty cool for some stuff. Hopefully I can use it to tether.... if not ill just use the play.
How well do the touchpads work?
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Like games. Get a play. Simple.
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I agree. This thing is Awesome and I'm so glad I moved from my iPhone to the X Play. Playing the old PSX games as well as the new games like the Spiderman is a lot better with the buttons.

thorpe24 said:
How well do the touchpads work?
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They take some getting use to but they work well.

thorpe24 said:
Thanks for the replies. I'm going to have two phones and figure the evo 3d would be pretty cool for some stuff. Hopefully I can use it to tether.... if not ill just use the play.
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surprisingly they work a lot better than i thought.

thorpe24 said:
However I'm worried that the lack of good hardware will make the phone obsolete pretty quick..... thinking of getting a Droid x2 just for the tegra..... but not sure what advantages it would have.
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I dont think the hardware will be obsolete quick. With the controls alone you can play thousands of roms on emulators. Even if sony laggs on releases. FPSE works fine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20Uc10kZABg
Sony Ericsson Xperia Arc vs LG Optimus 2x "Face Off". With the play and the arc being similiar id say its probably not to far off. The processor obviously would kick the plays arse. But at the moment dual core is not needed, only a few apps and games are tailored for it. What the point of all that power with nothing to use it.

Trust me the processor in the xperia play is amazing. It is currently the fastest single core CPU on android. Also the Xperia play has a GPU much more powerful than the one in tegra devices. Its even faster than the ipad2 GPU.
Hardware wise it is pretty advanced.

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Trust me the processor in the xperia play is amazing. It is currently the fastest single core CPU on android. Also the Xperia play has a GPU much more powerful than the one in tegra devices. Its even faster than the ipad2 GPU.
Hardware wise it is pretty advanced.
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I totally agree with this. Just because it doesn't do well in benchmarks doesn't mean it's not faster in real world applications. My DroidX will smoke the Play in Quadrant. But if I were to do a side-by-side comparison on Dungeon Defenders, or load times, the Play will destroy it.
So for current processors, the Play has a very nice one indeed. Tegra is over-hyped in my book.
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Trust me the processor in the xperia play is amazing. It is currently the fastest single core CPU on android. Also the Xperia play has a GPU much more powerful than the one in tegra devices. Its even faster than the ipad2 GPU.
Hardware wise it is pretty advanced.
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What?! how is the Adreno 205 (single core) more powerful than a dual/quad core Tegra 2? its no where near and as for being more powerful than the gpu in the ipad 2, not a chance lol.
I love my Play but let's not get carried away with false claims
It can hold it's own against the rest of the mid range phones (iphone 4, galaxy s, desire hd etc) at the moment but it isn't in the same league hardware wise compared to the high end devices appearing now.
And yup, the cpu is one of the best single cores around but that's not saying much when the rest of the competition have moved on to dual core cpu's (and quad core by the end of the year) now....

FK1983 said:
What?! how is the Adreno 205 (single core) more powerful than a dual/quad core Tegra 2? its no where near and as for being more powerful than the gpu in the ipad 2, not a chance lol.
I love my Play but let's not get carried away with false claims
And yup, the cpu is one of the best single cores around but that's not saying much when the rest of the competition have moved on to dual core cpu's (and quad core by the end of the year) now....
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Yeah but its all about optimization.
Lets look at my PC vs a PS2 for example.
PS2 Specs: 32mb RAM, CPU 300mhz EE, GPU GS 4mb
My PC: 12gb Trichannel RAM, CPU i7 4 cores, 2 threads each @ 2.7ghz, GPU ATi 5870 1gb GDDR5
^My PC spanks the HELL out of those specs, but guess what? Through emulation my PC can not even play all games smoothly.
The Xperia Play hardware and the chip sets mentioned above have a MUCH less difference.
Meaning...
Any games and software designed around the Xperia Play will look vastly superior and play vastly superior on the Play vs those other chip sets, and believe me being the only phone on the market that is ALSO a dedicated gaming platform means that the system will see games that are much much better than those other chip sets. The Play basically owns the gaming market by default right now, the support is going to be insane.

Im wanting one to i hope i can afford it
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FK1983 said:
What?! how is the Adreno 205 (single core) more powerful than a dual/quad core Tegra 2? its no where near and as for being more powerful than the gpu in the ipad 2, not a chance lol.
I love my Play but let's not get carried away with false claims
It can hold it's own against the rest of the mid range phones (iphone 4, galaxy s, desire hd etc) at the moment but it isn't in the same league hardware wise compared to the high end devices appearing now.
And yup, the cpu is one of the best single cores around but that's not saying much when the rest of the competition have moved on to dual core cpu's (and quad core by the end of the year) now....
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Tegra is nothing special you know, it's total clock speed is only 1ghz just like ours, just because is dual core dosent make it super amazing. and as have been proven by chainfire, the GPU is not much better than ours. anyway imo the play is not a mid range device, it is quite easy in the high end category

gunstar3035 said:
Yeah but its all about optimization.
Any games and software designed around the Xperia Play will look vastly superior and play vastly superior on the Play vs those other chip sets, and believe me being the only phone on the market that is ALSO a dedicated gaming platform means that the system will see games that are much much better than those other chip sets. The Play basically owns the gaming market by default right now, the support is going to be insane.
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You can say that about any device though, if a game is made for the samsung galaxy s 2 and is optimized for that devices hardware (the better cpu/gpu and ram) it would wipe the floor with the play version, same as ipad 2, atrix, lg optimus 2 etc.
And yes, the play has the gaming pad which hopefully will expand the life a bit of the device and mean we do get some decent support (I hope) but obviously it depends how the Play sells (not sounding great at the moment tbh)

AndroHero said:
Tegra is nothing special you know, it's total clock speed is only 1ghz just like ours, just because is dual core dosent make it super amazing. and as have been proven by chainfire, the GPU is not much better than ours. anyway imo the play is not a mid range device, it is quite easy in the high end category
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The play is NOT a high end device lol, it sits slap bang in the mid range hardware wise, check all the review sites, all of them class this device as a mid range device,
CNET UK:
All indications seem to be that the Play is a good mid-range smartphone. Whether you should choose it over any other phone will hinge entirely on how often you think you will want to play games on it.
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Single core 1ghz cpu (classed as mid range), adreno 205 gpu (while good still classed as mid range), ram is 512mb but has 378mb usable (classed as mid range, the desire s and desire hd even beat it with 768mb of ram), internal storage is 400mb (mid range), the screen is standard lcd (and not S-LCD or AMOLED etc) so is also mid range,
I knew the Xperia Play was a mid range device before I bought it, I have no issues about that, but it does make me laugh when people try and say it is high end when its nowhere near, check the reviews, check the specs, check the benchmarks, they ALL scream mid range!
And yes, the Play can play the recent Tegra 2 games using chainfire but remember those games are 1st generation Tegra 2 games, give it a few months and none of the Tegra 2 games will work on the Adreno 205 gpu, and theres games on tegra 2 already that won't even run on the Play due to the inferior gpu and ram on the Play (monster madness and bang bang racing for example) even with chainfire.

The X-Play is great the controls feel great minus the analogs they get a bit getting used to, at first I thought they were just broken. I had been having a few problems with the power button getting stuck when pressed but I just used a razor blade to shave the sides of the cover and it works just fine. The auto bright feature is just annoying due to it constantly changing hope an update will allow to turn off auto bright. Gaming on it is enjoyable especially at work when nothing is going on. Battery life last me about 6 hours of gaming it could be better but once r800x model can be rooted to uninstall verizon's bloatware and auto bright disabled battery life just be greatly extended.

video performance

Hi, can anyone point me in the direction of the CPU/GPU specs for this, I know it isnt tergra so it might actually be able to handle some decent video specs.

most say that its the ti omap 4 series processor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Instruments_OMAP#OMAP_4
as there is only one model @ 1ghz in the 4 series, its the OMAP 4430
CPU 1-1.2 GHz Dual-Core ARM Cortex-A9
GPU PowerVR SGX540 @ 304 MHz
thats my guess

I want it!!!!! That's the gpu in my epic and it still tops smartbench 2011 in gaming performance!
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I want it!!!!! That's the gpu in my epic and it still tops smartbench 2011 in gaming performance!
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actually in epic its clocked to 200mhz and in the latest omap processor the sgx540 is clocked to 300mhz i have it in my optimus 3d and its the fastest GPU right now in a smartphone!

That extra 100mhz will go towards driving the extra resolution on the screen so your optimus 3d most likely will still be slightly better than the fire but should be the same as my epic
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shame its not going to have HDMI as those specs should be able to play FULL HD in High profile, still well with the money if we can get some decent cooked ROMS, definately keeping an eye on forum.

As the Archos 80 G9 has proven, the 4430 can play hi def video well, but Archos made special drivers to support the codecs. I doubt the Fire will have them. Higher def vid plays weak on the Droid 3 and Playbook. Especially MKV 720p.
That all said, what is the point, since no storage space? Unless going to store a few vids, there is only a few gigs (literally) of open storage for media and no card slot.

Can the gs4 play xbox 360 games?

The snapdragon is a 600 series with 4 cores that's more then xbox which uses only a 3 core cpu.. And is much much older then the snapdragon 600 plus the ati graphics card of 512mb in xbox 360 is garbage to the snapdragon 600 and it 2gigs of ram. The gs4 beats hands down the xbox360 in all specs sooooooo can I run 360 games on it?? I can't think of anything in the xbox360 that the snapdragon 600 in gs4 won't be able to handle the only thing that comes remotely close is the surrounded system 5.1 dolby digital dts I know for a fact snapdragon can't do that but I think that's about it on all front the gs4 blows the xbox 360 in all specs and hardware so when shall we start the emulation....
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Hope this was a joke. The sd600 is no where near xbox 360
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Mod, close this thread please
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The snapdragon is a 600 series with 4 cores that's more then xbox which uses only a 3 core cpu.. And is much much older then the snapdragon 600 plus the ati graphics card of 512mb in xbox 360 is garbage to the snapdragon 600 and it 2gigs of ram. The gs4 beats hands down the xbox360 in all specs sooooooo can I run 360 games on it?? I can't think of anything in the xbox360 that the snapdragon 600 in gs4 won't be able to handle the only thing that comes remotely close is the surrounded system 5.1 dolby digital dts I know for a fact snapdragon can't do that but I think that's about it on all front the gs4 blows the xbox 360 in all specs and hardware so when shall we start the emulation....
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The Snapdragon 600 can't even beat Intel's Core 2 Duo series, and you want it to beat Xbox 360?

gabrielpina4 said:
The snapdragon is a 600 series with 4 cores that's more then xbox which uses only a 3 core cpu.. And is much much older then the snapdragon 600 plus the ati graphics card of 512mb in xbox 360 is garbage to the snapdragon 600 and it 2gigs of ram. The gs4 beats hands down the xbox360 in all specs sooooooo can I run 360 games on it?? I can't think of anything in the xbox360 that the snapdragon 600 in gs4 won't be able to handle the only thing that comes remotely close is the surrounded system 5.1 dolby digital dts I know for a fact snapdragon can't do that but I think that's about it on all front the gs4 blows the xbox 360 in all specs and hardware so when shall we start the emulation....
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You've made my day hahahha LMAO

Mobile processors, especially tablets, are approaching the 360 in raw power (but not there yet), but emulating it is a completely different story. Emulation means simulating hardware through software, which is an extremely intensive task. You need a processor that's about *100* times as powerful as what you're trying to emulate. So check back in a decade or two...

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I've read you need hardware that's 10x more powerful. We had perfect psx emulation on older android phones. I know they were not 100x more powerful. I see Xbox 360 emulators running on android in another 5 years
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We need a much better gpu for an Xbox 360 emulator
For the most part a 360 has weak hardware....but that's cause its not really multi tasking, its built for multimedia mainly games...so they just put in a killer gpu -at least based on my understanding
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Whats the point of emulation when the battery can only last your phone through the intro? Haha
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The Snapdragon 600 can't even beat Intel's Core 2 Duo series, and you want it to beat Xbox 360?
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Almost every Core 2 Duo is miles faster than a 360....
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Of course you can! My note 2 runs PS4 and Wii-U games like a charm /bigfatlie.
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This is the best thread ever created.
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Mobile processors, especially tablets, are approaching the 360 in raw power (but not there yet), but emulating it is a completely different story. Emulation means simulating hardware through software, which is an extremely intensive task. You need a processor that's about *100* times as powerful as what you're trying to emulate. So check back in a decade or two...
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This ^ but probably about 5 years.
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I thought april fool's day was last monday? Maybe the OP has his own april fool's week.

Is there literally nothing better than the SGS4 LMAO.... This thread has really made my day!!!
I heard from my mates uncles hamster who's an underground technical guru that the SGS4 can play god... yes it's that good!

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This ^ but probably about 5 years.
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No chance.... 15 - 20 years, even longer for a phone.
It's not just the CPU you're emulating, but the GPU, and that is going to be extremely tough going.

No... Just no.. 1) like someone else said you'd need to emulate the gpu. 2) you'd be emulating the ENTIRE cpu. Xbox360's CPU is PowerPC based. Plus it has 3 cores/6 threads. More threads than the quad snapdragon does.
So it'll be pretty much impossible.
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Can the GS4 play X-Box games? HECK YES! The GS4 will be the most powerful device on this planet! It's a gaming console on its own! BEST OF THE BEST! GREATEST THING EVER MADE!
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