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I'm curious as to what other potential buyers here on XDA plan to do with the Xoom and why they want it. Maybe we can discover new uses through other people?
HD recording and playback will be awesome. I've never owned a webcam, so the Xoom's cam on the front will be fun. I'm very excited for Honeycomb itself, the revamped apps should be really cool! Besides all that, I really like the Xoom's exterior and formfactor compared to some other tablets. The Notion Ink Adam has similar specs, but I simply don't like how it looks. Also, the imposed UI doesn't appeal to me personality.
As far as usage, being a musician, I want to put in all my sheet music/real books to have with me on the gig and for personal practice. Having to print off sheet music and also having to lug everything around isn't very convenient. With the Xoom, I'll have lots of music accessible with just a few clicks! Also, I've gotten quite a few eBooks recently that will be more comfortably read on the Xoom rather than my laptop or my tiny Eris (3.2" screen!)
Ok, I thought this was going to be more about "why Xoom and not another tablet", but reading your post, it sounds more like "what will you do with a tablet". Anyway, why I like the Xoom over other Andro-tablets is the stock Android Honeycomb experience paired with usually reliable Moto hardware. Other tablets are making waves and could steal my vote though, such as the upcoming Toshiba and HTC ones... All high end tablets are likely to feature Android 3.0, dual-core processors, 1Gb RAM, two cameras, 720p recording/1080p playback, HDMI and USB ports, and the usual WiFi and Bluetooth, so the price (and availability in Canada, for me!) will play a big part.
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Ok, I thought this was going to be more about "why Xoom and not another tablet", but reading your post, it sounds more like "what will you do with a tablet". Anyway, why I like the Xoom over other Andro-tablets is the stock Android Honeycomb experience paired with usually reliable Moto hardware. Other tablets are making waves and could steal my vote though, such as the upcoming Toshiba and HTC ones... All high end tablets are likely to feature Android 3.0, dual-core processors, 1Gb RAM, two cameras, 720p recording/1080p playback, HDMI and USB ports, and the usual WiFi and Bluetooth, so the price (and availability in Canada, for me!) will play a big part.
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I edited my first post adequately, thanks! I should have reworded the title.
Yeah, I am curious to see what HTC will come up with, though I really want a tablet now! Motorola has been reliable and blur won't be integrated in, so it should be a great device. However, if the Xoom's pricing is too high I'll probably just wait for a wifi-only device. By that time, there will probably be more info from HTC since leaks from them are common.
Hopefully it'll be available in Canada for you!
will regular android applications work on honeycomb? my main requirement is to use medical programs on android and it s currently running on my fascinate/galaxy tab/ipad.
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will regular android applications work on honeycomb? my main requirement is to use medical programs on android and it s currently running on my fascinate/galaxy tab/ipad.
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From what I know, If they work on your Galaxy Tab they'll work on the Xoom. As you're probably aware of, some apps aren't coded to run on a screen size bigger than a phones, so like in your Tab, they will have be scaled. Honeycomb might compensate somehow though!
As Honeycomb begins to settle, more and more developers will begin to adjust their apps to at least scale to the Xoom's size if not make full use it's screen res.
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I edited my first post adequately, thanks! I should have reworded the title.
Yeah, I am curious to see what HTC will come up with, though I really want a tablet now! Motorola has been reliable and blur won't be integrated in, so it should be a great device. However, if the Xoom's pricing is too high I'll probably just wait for a wifi-only device. By that time, there will probably be more info from HTC since leaks from them are common.
Hopefully it'll be available in Canada for you!
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I am curious just to see what HTC has to offer but I'm pretty sure i want the full Google experience and no sense ui so I definitely want the zoom over any HTC product right now.also HTC needs to start using better processors and screens
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I am curious just to see what HTC has to offer but I'm pretty sure i want the full Google experience and no sense ui so I definitely want the zoom over any HTC product right now.also HTC needs to start using better processors and screens
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And HTC should work on faster OS updates. I'm sticking with the Xoom unless it's too pricey...but even then I'll wait until I can afford it/prices lower! I hope the bootloader isn't locked...
I want it because I actually don't think it's too pricey (assuming 700 is what we're looking at). I'm in the market for a laptop replacement, and with an Android phone and a newly built desktop at home, I just don't need a full blown laptop replacement, especially if I can just remote into my desktop on said tablet. The (likely) dealbreaker for me is a locked bootloader. Has anyone seen any information on the bootloader?
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From what I know, If they work on your Galaxy Tab they'll work on the Xoom. As you're probably aware of, some apps aren't coded to run on a screen size bigger than a phones, so like in your Tab, they will have be scaled. Honeycomb might compensate somehow though!
As Honeycomb begins to settle, more and more developers will begin to adjust their apps to at least scale to the Xoom's size if not make full use it's screen res.
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Thanks, ma42091, for the input. The xoom will be an awesome tablet. Motorola has really step up in terms of top notch specs and design. The competion is really challenging htc and th they have a rumor tablet coming too.
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I want it because I actually don't think it's too pricey (assuming 700 is what we're looking at). I'm in the market for a laptop replacement, and with an Android phone and a newly built desktop at home, I just don't need a full blown laptop replacement, especially if I can just remote into my desktop on said tablet. The (likely) dealbreaker for me is a locked bootloader. Has anyone seen any information on the bootloader?
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It's not too much from what a high-end smartphone costs off-contract now in reality. Though, for a poor college student...
As far as the bootloader, there's no info yet. This is Motorola's latest statement:
We are working closely with our partners to offer a bootloader solution that will enable developers to use our devices as a development platform while still protecting our users' interests. More detailed information will follow as we get closer to availability.
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We'll have to see if anything new info leaks by the Xoom's release, hopefully it'll be unlocked.
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Thanks, ma42091, for the input. The xoom will be an awesome tablet. Motorola has really step up in terms of top notch specs and design. The competion is really challenging htc and th they have a rumor tablet coming too.
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You're welcome. I agree, Motorola has set high standards. Info on one of HTC's tablets is out already: Leak: Topaz Specs (Gizmodo)
The Xoom still looks better!
The Topaz is not an HTC tablet, its an HP WebOS one.
Edit: And now that I hink about it, I honestly do not believe Motorola set the bar high. There are several other tablets running stock Android 3.0 with Tegra 2 processors that are "promised" to be released this year. The few things that seperates this tablet from the others is it being on Verizon, and it being Google's lead Honeycomb device. Heck, in terms of specifications that yet-to-be named Toshiba tablet is already equal to or better than the Xoom, not including the Barometer. The Xoom is not at all a hard device to beat. Especially not in design (my favorite area).
I truly believe the only reason this will be so big is because of Verizon's power. Some say that they made Android what it is today because of the Droid line. With Verizon behind it this tablet will be successful. A very good competitor to the iPad.
Actually the Toshiba tab has only been said to be a tegra 2 processor, they havent given the full specs yet. Also you have to worry about updates, the 1st Droid on vzw because of stock android got all the Google updates before most devices on the market except the nexus. I'm pretty sure this pad will be getting updates long before any other pads out there
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Actually the Toshiba tab has only been said to be a tegra 2 processor, they havent given the full specs yet. Also you have to worry about updates, the 1st Droid on vzw because of stock android got all the Google updates before most devices on the market except the nexus. I'm pretty sure this pad will be getting updates long before any other pads out there
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Go here for the Toshiba tablet specs:
http://www.thetoshibatablet.com/
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Actually the Toshiba tab has only been said to be a tegra 2 processor, they havent given the full specs yet. Also you have to worry about updates, the 1st Droid on vzw because of stock android got all the Google updates before most devices on the market except the nexus. I'm pretty sure this pad will be getting updates long before any other pads out there
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Most if not all of the specs for the Toshiba Tab have been released on it's website: www.thetoshibatablet.com. And yes, I did take the update situation into consideration with my previous post. Hence the "because it is Google's lead device.."
Seems like a nice pad but I couldn't figure out how much memory it comes with? I plan on using about 25gbs just for music, I never plan on hooking this (or my sd card)to my desktop for music again. Also I don't see myself ever buying a Toshiba product, I would prefer LG slate over this but that's just me. If this pad has 32gb on board memory the only reason it will be cheaper is because of no 3g an obviously its Toshiba. Another thing don't drop it, it's not made with the gorilla glass so bumps and drops can crack the screen easily
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I have T-Mobile so I actually did take the LG-G Slate into consideration, but with an 8.9" screen I said never mind. Also, I'm sure Toshiba's tab will be "decent". Judging from photos, and small previews, people seem ok with the device so far.
Galaxy Tab running Honeycomb with a Super AMOLED display and LTE radio is my dream tablet. The Xoom and all the new tabs look amazing but after extensive use of the Galaxy Tab and the iPad in various situations, I find the iPad and soon to be Xoom sized tabs to be just slighty cumbersome on the whole. Though let me reitterate the 'on the whole' part because there certainly were circumstances where the extra real estate of the 10 inch tab was definately prefered. Anyone else have a similar or differing experience?
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The Topaz is not an HTC tablet, its an HP WebOS one.
Edit: And now that I hink about it, I honestly do not believe Motorola set the bar high. There are several other tablets running stock Android 3.0 with Tegra 2 processors that are "promised" to be released this year. The few things that seperates this tablet from the others is it being on Verizon, and it being Google's lead Honeycomb device. Heck, in terms of specifications that yet-to-be named Toshiba tablet is already equal to or better than the Xoom, not including the Barometer. The Xoom is not at all a hard device to beat. Especially not in design (my favorite area).
I truly believe the only reason this will be so big is because of Verizon's power. Some say that they made Android what it is today because of the Droid line. With Verizon behind it this tablet will be successful. A very good competitor to the iPad.
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Argh, don't know why I thought it was HTC!
I had not seen specs for the Toshiba tablet until this morning. Looks pretty good. Looking at that, It does make the Xoom look like it's not hard to beat. As you said, the Xoom will be successful because it's the first Honeycomb tablet and it'll be under Verizon. Motorola has hinted at a Wifi-only and different sizes (7" variant?) as well, which will help later on in the year.
However, there's always something coming that's better with mobile devices. I want a tablet now, the Xoom is what I'm going to get!
Besides, even if it does become overshadowed by over tablets this year, I won't mind--I'm still rockin' a HTC Droid Eris proudly!
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Galaxy Tab running Honeycomb with a Super AMOLED display and LTE radio is my dream tablet. The Xoom and all the new tabs look amazing but after extensive use of the Galaxy Tab and the iPad in various situations, I find the iPad and soon to be Xoom sized tabs to be just slighty cumbersome on the whole. Though let me reitterate the 'on the whole' part because there certainly were circumstances where the extra real estate of the 10 inch tab was definately prefered. Anyone else have a similar or differing experience?
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There's supposed to be a Galaxy Tab 2, wonder what that will have in store. Motorola has hinted at releasing different sizes of the Xoom later on too. I personally want the larger screen size though for pdfs, documents, movies, etc
Played with the xoom today, I will be getting one. And yes the software is done and doesn't crash. I can't wait for this device. It is alot heavier then you expect but is soooooo sexy
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I am interested in buying a tablet come the next few months. I'm not really after spending a fortune on one so the 3d LG is put of the question at a expected 850 pound. The 2 I'm looking at are either HTC flyer and the mototola xoom. I am a little disappointed with the HTC specs single core was not what I had in mind. The question is should I buy the xoom at a estemated 430pound or get the cheaper HTC it or wait for ipad 2.
The tablet would mainly be used got uni work and reading up on course material etc. Also some "games " and other apps. I am in the market for an android one preferably, not the Playbook or something similar.
Any advice would be brilliant, thanks.
Jordan
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Its not single core, its a dual core tegra 2.
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I personally am getting the wifi Xoom. It hits my price point, and is something that I need. I travel a lot, and it is more portable than my Vaio.
I'm in college also, so the ebook reader is nice. I hate reading ebooks in half of my screen... I like the snap feature of win 7, but would rather have something dedicated if I don't have a hard copy.
The only reason I wouldn't get the Xoom is if the bootloader is locked. I'm not really interested in modifying the Xoom, because from what I've seen the OS looks great, but I just won't support closing down an open system.
I saw it was single core snapdragon 1.5
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I saw it was single core snapdragon 1.5
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Yea it's a single core 1.5
Yeh that's what I was thinking, honeycomb looks great along with tegra 2 the e book reader. If it foes come in around the 400 pound mark I will happily get one and ignore the ipad
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Of those three? The Xoom. It has a higher screen resolution than the others (most accounts say that the iPad 2 will get no boost in resolution), and I think Honeycomb is visually more interesting than HTC Sense or iOS.
Yeh I'm pretty interested to see honey comb. I like the sense and its ment to be integrated well into the HTC tab but the lack of dual core 3.0 dosent make it future proof in my opinion. Rather pay more the more powerful tablet that will rub future versions of honey comb.
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Right, the Xoom has a dual core 1Ghz Tegra 2, the Flyer has a single core 1.5Ghz Snapdragon. I thought the original post said the Xoom had a single core.
Anyhow, two very different devices that will sell for similar prices (from what I've seen so far, the Fly is $780?)
Shrug, Xoom all the way for me, no matter how much I like HTC products, they just fell short with the Flyer.
Smaller screen with lower resolution and no HDMI out. No thanks!
The one thing I DO like about the Flyer is integrated OnLive, but I'm hoping that eventually makes it out to other Android tablets as well. I'm not an OnLive subscriber, but if their catalog increases enough during the year, I very well could be.
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The one thing I DO like about the Flyer is integrated OnLive, but I'm hoping that eventually makes it out to other Android tablets as well. I'm not an OnLive subscriber, but if their catalog increases enough during the year, I very well could be.
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I've been using OnLive since release. It's neat, and I think it has a future, only if they can get first-run games on it. I don't want to play games that are a few years old, I want a release day game to play. I have yet to find a game I like that I haven't already played to death on it.
But yeah, hopefully it will come to all Android's in the future and this is just a flagship.
Yeh agreed the cloud services seem very nice. But as the last guy said the lack of hardware is disappointing. I'm hoping the prices of the xoom sent ridiculous as at the end of the day its a tablet not a PC. Looking forward to finding the release date for it, hoping March mabey early April if the states are "ment " to be getting it end of this month
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The Xoom ... of course
iPad 2.
The iPad was a pretty decent tablet, and the Flyer is a bit too small for my taste. I would have considered the Xoom, if it weren't for the ridiculous pricing option. I mean, when an Apple product is more economical than your device , you know you have done something wrong...
You have the right price for the xoom? 600 $ wifi version, lines up correctly with the 32 gb ipad 32gb .
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You have the right price for the xoom? 600 $ wifi version, lines up correctly with the 32 gb ipad 32gb .
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This.
32GB Wifi-only iPad = $600
32GB Wifi-only Xoom = $600
Clearly thats a 2nd gen device vs a first-gen device, but still it shows the pricepoint is perfectly in line with the market. And with the Xoom, you're getting a true tablet OS and much more powerful hardware.
I am confused with this thread because sizes are different, First of all the user should decided which size tablet to use.
Flyer : 7''
Others : 10''
Also I wonder why Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is not listed in this comparison
All I want to say is that after having the iPhone 2G, iPhone 3G, and iPhone 3GS... the XOOM is well worth every penny. I feel that 500$ is overpriced for an iPad, but 800$ is not overpriced for a XOOM, though I don't want 3G since I have an EVO and look forward to the even cheaper 600$ WiFi XOOM.
The reason is flash. Before all you apple blossoms sigh, hear me out. I loved my iPhone, since I was previously using WinMo devices for personal use. I didn't like the Walled Garden, or being tied to iTunes, but overall I liked the device. However, I was constantly reminded that the phone was essentially useless when trying to use it outside of my home. When I was out I could never find up to date information on restaurants if they had flash websites. I recall having to call nearly a dozen Cold Stone Creamery's because the official website was flash, and the stores around me on Google Maps were out of business.
Another instance in the months before I bought the EVO was when I was trying to find some information about Fuddruckers. There are many more cases that I can't recall details of, but it was a royal pain in the ass. The fact of the matter is that flash is here to stay, and any device that claims web-browsing really needs to have at least a limited flash capability. I would love to know if anyone can honestly say they did any serious web-browsing on an iPad for an entire day without running into something they couldn't do or view. Also, MOBILE SITES ARE NOT DO NOT LET IT OFF THE HOOK.
As you can see, the issue sort of gets to me. I keep wanting to shake iPad users for spending 500$ on a device that is missing basic functionality. Flash has been here for 15 years and has been integral to a rich web experience for at least half that time.
So.. XOOM. My problem with the flyer is that I'm SICK of seeing Android 2.2 tablets. Considering the veritable failure of the Samsung Galaxy Tab, I am shocked that HTC would make such a choice. They are only further adding to the consumer confusion about Android by releasing another tablet with an OS that is crap for a tablet. Though on another hand, I hope that it does well enough to inspire other manufacturers to install digitizers on their devices. The one thing the digital age has robbed from me is the ability to doodle. I don't want all these damn games, just give me a stylus and digitizer so I can draw when I'm bored. I read questionablecontent religiously and have been looking for a way to try making a webcomic without having to actually invest in a wacom tablet.
I've got an iPad, and web browsing is a constant frustration that makes me want to toss it. Honestly, I can't stand it. My wife uses it for netflix, and that's all it has been relegated to lately. Watching videos we download or stream via netflix, and it's overpriced for that.
Even on sites with HTML 5, they don't work 100%. I've had issues shopping on it. I can select an item, add it to my shopping cart, but when it came time to choose a color or another option, crash...then crash again, and again. Pain in the arse. My EVO browses the internet far far better than my $600 iPad.
As for the Flyer, it's getting updated to Honeycomb. Why it isn't shipping with it, who the hell knows, but it's otherwise too similar to the Tab.
If you want a rockin device with a promise to be upgraded to Honeycomb, check out the Notion Ink Adam. Similar to the flyer, but with a larger screen and only $425 shipped, if you manage to become one of the lucky few allowed to pre-order it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI99t9k4aEE
this is what i think about the Ipad lol
Just placed pre-order for the Amazon tablet. Don't know if it will replace my galaxy tab but for $200 the Amazon tablet looks like a good deal. Also I like the 7 inch better than the 10. I think this will force all others to seriously think about their tablet pricing.
What are your thoughts?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0051VVOB2/ref=mp_s_a_1?qid=1317224821&sr=8-1
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HPs firesale was evidence that pricing can be king outside of the iOS ecosystem, Im personally not interested in one, but I do like the pricing, it could put pressure on other OEMs to drop their prices, look at RIM there are starting to move more playbooks since they are starting to price cut
This also goes to show you how big of a mark up these things have
I just preordered mine as well. I'm crossing my fingers that this thing has bluetooth. Otherwise no external keyboard.
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I just preordered mine as well. I'm crossing my fingers that this thing has bluetooth. Otherwise no external keyboard.
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No bluetooth. Complete specs at the Amazon Landing Page.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0051VVOB2/ref=tsm_1_bl_aw?tag=vglnk-c1655-20
But it does have USB 2.0, so you could plug in a Bluetooth adapter. Potential issue: battery life issues from adapter.
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No bluetooth. Complete specs at the Amazon Landing Page.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0051VVOB2/ref=tsm_1_bl_aw?tag=vglnk-c1655-20
But it does have USB 2.0, so you could plug in a Bluetooth adapter. Potential issue: battery life issues from adapter.
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Depending on the chipset used, it might have latent bluetooth, just like the Nook Color.
Doesn't look like it has a SD slot either. With just 8Gb storage a few movies etc will fill that up.
--bill
There are two considerations I take in above all else these days when I consider a purchase, especially for phone/smaller computing devices.
1. Price to performance (lets be real, tablets are *finally* getting out of over priced stage.)
2. What the support here at XDA is going to be like.
I can handle getting a "mid ranged" device if the price is right.
IF there are enough tweaks, roms, and third party support.
A "Cheap" and "Midranged" tablet can go toe to toe with the best of them.
*if* I consider a tablet.. the lenovo A1 and Amazon Kindle Fire are going to be on the top of the list, because I am suspecting I'll see strong support on both.
Then again, being able to "reverse" whatever I do is also important.
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There are two considerations I take in above all else these days when I consider a purchase, especially for phone/smaller computing devices.
1. Price to performance (lets be real, tablets are *finally* getting out of over priced stage.)
2. What the support here at XDA is going to be like.
I can handle getting a "mid ranged" device if the price is right.
IF there are enough tweaks, roms, and third party support.
A "Cheap" and "Midranged" tablet can go toe to toe with the best of them.
*if* I consider a tablet.. the lenovo A1 and Amazon Kindle Fire are going to be on the top of the list, because I am suspecting I'll see strong support on both.
Then again, being able to "reverse" whatever I do is also important.
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I definitely think there will be lot of dev support for kindle fire given the price point.
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Depending on the chipset used, it might have latent bluetooth, just like the Nook Color.
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Ah! I see. Good point.
The Nook has "latent Bluetooth" but no antenna so it's not very useful.
The new Kindle looks nice, but no 3G/4G (yet). If they do offer it with mobile data it will probably be locked to one carrier. That and being stuck with Amazon's app store makes it a non-starter for me. I'll stick with my old Galaxy 7" for non-home use for now.
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The Nook has "latent Bluetooth" but no antenna so it's not very useful.
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Not quite true.
I'm not impressed what amazon did. Combine their services with good hardware and "real" Android Honeycomb/ice cream sandwich and they might have a winner.
But with this, medium hardware (RAM, int storage, display resolution), missing components, a bit heavy, depends on cyanogen mod to get a real taste of Android, I'm not sure. I see little more than a new Nook color.
With the support of the amazon services like music, video and appstore (since there is no market at least at the beginning) it might be interesting for some people. But for me the 7.7 seems like a much better choice if you look for something smaller than 10.1 or 8.9, even if it costs twice as much.
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I'm not impressed what amazon did. Combine their services with good hardware and "real" Android Honeycomb/ice cream sandwich and they might have a winner.
But with this, medium hardware (RAM, int storage, display resolution), missing components, a bit heavy, depends on cyanogen mod to get a real taste of Android, I'm not sure. I see little more than a new Nook color.
With the support of the amazon services like music, video and appstore (since there is no market at least at the beginning) it might be interesting for some people. But for me the 7.7 seems like a much better choice if you look for something smaller than 10.1 or 8.9, even if it costs twice as much.
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Price is the key though, look what the recent HP firesale did, this will be a mass product aimed at those wanting their first fray into tablets, other manufacturers will need to take note if they want their product to sell. At the way the current global financial state is in Amazon have got a winner here.
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Damn for $199, I'd love to buy it.
Does anyone know if true Android can be hacked or developed for the Kindle fire? It's android based but it doesn't run honeycomb or anything.
I know the Blackberry playbook you cant but that's cause it's RIM software and their security stuff.
It'd be cool if there was a lot of support for it and you can flash all different kinds of ROMs and stuff.
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Damn for $199, I'd love to buy it.
Does anyone know if true Android can be hacked or developed for the Kindle fire? It's android based but it doesn't run honeycomb or anything.
I know the Blackberry playbook you cant but that's cause it's RIM software and their security stuff.
It'd be cool if there was a lot of support for it and you can flash all different kinds of ROMs and stuff.
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I think Amazon tablet will be locked to start with since it is running Amazon's customized Android. We will only know for sure when this is released.
But I think as usual developers will eventually crack it open.
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Price is the key though, look what the recent HP firesale did, this will be a mass product aimed at those wanting their first fray into tablets...
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What do HP touchpad firesale and every china tablet in common (other that the 99$ price tag)? You buy the thing, get frustrated that it doesn't do what you expected and you get a "real" tablet. We have a saying here, if you buy cheap you end up paying twice.
I'm not arguing that it won't sell,it will probably sell pretty good. but I'm saying it's not what it could've been. And I don't think 199$ is particularly cheap for that tablet. It's a good price but not really cheap considering what you give up.
And don't forget everyone who has no access to the amazon services like video and cloud music, which is half of europe. They would get even less out of it but I don't think that it'll be available here.
I think it takes more than a good price to make a winner.
But I don't think amazon really wants to play the tablet game. They want to give you an easier way to subscribe to and consume their content and that's what they can archive with the kindle fire.
I'll wait for the "Fire" app to show up. You know Amazon is going offer one before long.
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I'll wait for the "Fire" app to show up. You know Amazon is going offer one before long.
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I would think it would be more something like "Amazon Portal" that would manage all your Kindle, MP3, Amazon App store, etc on a non-Kindle device.
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I think Amazon tablet will be locked to start with since it is running Amazon's customized Android. We will only know for sure when this is released.
But I think as usual developers will eventually crack it open.
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I'm sure it can be cracked in one way or another. OMAP4 is something a lot of devs have experience with, and I doubt they're deviating much from the components we keep seeing on other platforms.
I'd like to believe that this will be as easy to root as the Nook Color, but given that Amazon has been playing cat-and-mouse with hackers and the older Kindles, I doubt it. Amazon didn't preen their own app store for the last year for nothing, and that's only one content channel they want to own. An open platform means most people will probably install the default Google Market and avoid Amazon's store altogether. The OMAP has some security features in the same vein as the Tegra2, and I'd be surprised if it's not as locked down as the Atrix was before the unlockable bootloader.
That being said, there's a nice tool out there for booting a kernel/ramdisk (read:recovery) OMAP4 over USB, so should Amazon decide to have a change of heart it will be a quick test to tell if the boot process is as easy to hijack as the Nook.
Why not just buy a Galaxy Tab 7" WiFi? Or a used 3g/carrier-branded version on Craigslist. Both can be had for about the same prices as the K-Fire, and they're a whole lot more functional.
Sure, it's single core, but it's single core Hummingbird/SGX540, which is still pretty competitive with the chipset in the PlayKindleBookFire, especially in relation to graphics.
It's also lighter, has a LOT more functionality (GPS, Bluetooth, light sensor, microphone, etc.). And, it's not locked down to the Amazon infrastructure, and has a pretty good XDA community already.
You can still use the Kindle app, but you can also read ePubs, use Google Music, Netflix, etc.
So my friend is willing to sell me a Kindle Fire for $60.
I'm heavily thinking about buying it, but I also want to save for a Galaxy tab.
Either, way I can get the Kindle Fire for the right price. But is it actually a decent tablet like device? Performance wise that is. Also, I kinda want one because I know some group of intelligent people are going to port a working Gingerbread or even Honeycomb ROM. Thus making it a full tablet.
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Should I buy a Kindle Fire?
Is it good performance wise?
What do you want to do with it? I use it for web, forums, other basic Internet activities, and it works very well.
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60 bucks? What's your hold up? You can't go wrong at that price.
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It depends on what you need it for. The KFire doesn't come with Bluetooth, GPS, 3G, camera, or a built in microphone. So if you really depend on those features then I would get the Galaxy Tab. The KFire is still a great device though. You can read books, watch movies from Amazon Prime, get apps from Android Market, and much more.
Performance-wise the KFire's processing speed is 1Ghz, the same as the GTab but the Kindle Fire has 512mb of RAM while the Galaxy Tab has 1GB. Don't worry about the performance of the Kindle Fire because 512mb of RAM is more than enough. Even the Galaxy Tab only makes 512mb of its RAM usable anyway. The overall performance of the Kindle Fire and the Galaxy Tab are the same though.
Hope this helps!
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Thats good rate for stolen. Usually only get 50-25% off.
Thelgow said:
Thats good rate for stolen. Usually only get 50-25% off.
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That's exactly what I was thinking lol. Who would sell you a Kindle Fire for $60?
Well if you don't buy it send your friend my way.
I'd even up it to $100
I love mine. Awesome machine for the money!
Galaxy Tab 7 Plus and KF performs the same? HHmmmm. Not in my experience. The GTab is an android tablet where the KF (and NT) are really e-readers running android. Not that that is a bad thing. With all new shiny things there's a bit of giddiness and excitement as it should be. The KF is, and IMO will continue to be a serviceable unit primarily for reading and content consumption via Amazon. With all the new tabs coming out Devs are going to be hard-pressed to choose which to dig into. Likely choosing the ones with the greater return on time expended. Remember. most Devs do this because it's fun on their free time. HC and ICS on the KF? I have strong doubts on official releases. Ports perhaps but upgrading the OS doesn't have a return on investment for Amazon. They're making a buck or so on the units. Their profit is via content. I see Amazon releasing official upgrades ONLY if OS-specific content that they can charge for (locked down from their site/store). Heck even BN only released 2.2 from 2.1 on the NC after a year and that was for flash support (for BN content).
Perhaps I'm being cynical. Or realistic. But points to think about.
What are you waiting for? I though $199 was a steal! especially since it has an external mic capability is a bonus!
Actually nook Tablet is better for a low end Tablet
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What are you waiting for? I though $199 was a steal! especially since it has an external mic capability is a bonus!
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And we are also working on enabling the on-board Bluetooth
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Nice,
I would have definitely bought it as soon as I heard $60 come out of his mouth.
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What are you waiting for? I though $199 was a steal! especially since it has an external mic capability is a bonus!
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Literally...a steal. Tell your friend he could get more than $60 for stolen KF's.
hmmmmm i still think my Xoom is very relevant and will better suit me for what i use a tablet for. heck my first gen kindle fire is still relevant (for me anyways)
what are your thoughts?
http://www.apple.com/ipad-mini/overview/
My thoughts are that comparing the too is like comparing oranges and carrots. The only thing they have in common is the color orange (they're both tablets).
They are damn near 2 generations apart tech wise and 2 completely different form factors.
exactly, thats what i meant, no need to get something new like the ipad mini (or any ipad) when my xoom still fits the bill. apple has always innovated, now with the mini, they are trying to get in on the smaller tablet market that Google and Amazon have already taken the lead in
ever since the world lost steve jobs, apple has taken a slide downward, pretty soon they will be irrelevant
dodgefan67 said:
exactly, thats what i meant, no need to get something new like the ipad mini (or any ipad) when my xoom still fits the bill. apple has always innovated, now with the mini, they are trying to get in on the smaller tablet market that Google and Amazon have already taken the lead in
ever since the world lost steve jobs, apple has taken a slide downward, pretty soon they will be irrelevant
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Honestly it sounds like you just want to chat about how Apple is bad and the Xoom is still a masterpiece (its not - its quite outdated). Apple is still quite relevant to the mobile market (phones and tablets). They make solid products with good hardware, have fantastic marketing, provide options and on the tablet front, are destroying Android in terms of app support (the OS, IMO, is **** compared to Jellybean). Regardless, they're not going anywhere, no matter how hard you pray.
I love my Xoom but it is far far out of date. I can't wait to see the Nexus 10 and may very well upgrade to that.
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Also, while the iPad Mini is the thing everyone is talking about....I think the updated iMac and the Macbooks were much more newsworthy.
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Also, while the iPad Mini is the thing everyone is talking about....I think the updated iMac and the Macbooks were much more newsworthy.
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I agree with this and on a different note the surface isn't to shabby looking either. This is my favorite time of the year.
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Cubanluke88 said:
Honestly it sounds like you just want to chat about how Apple is bad and the Xoom is still a masterpiece (its not - its quite outdated). Apple is still quite relevant to the mobile market (phones and tablets). They make solid products with good hardware, have fantastic marketing, provide options and on the tablet front, are destroying Android in terms of app support (the OS, IMO, is **** compared to Jellybean). Regardless, they're not going anywhere, no matter how hard you pray.
I love my Xoom but it is far far out of date. I can't wait to see the Nexus 10 and may very well upgrade to that.
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you may be right, but it is just an opinion, never liked apple, but its not like i look for opportunities to bash them....no wait :cyclops:
and yeah as long as the Nexus 10 isn't built by LG i might get one too
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Also, while the iPad Mini is the thing everyone is talking about....I think the updated iMac and the Macbooks were much more newsworthy.
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thats true as well
To be honest my xoom2 sound way better than mini ipad mini.
Cubanluke88 said:
Honestly it sounds like you just want to chat about how Apple is bad and the Xoom is still a masterpiece (its not - its quite outdated). Apple is still quite relevant to the mobile market (phones and tablets). They make solid products with good hardware, have fantastic marketing, provide options and on the tablet front, are destroying Android in terms of app support (the OS, IMO, is **** compared to Jellybean). Regardless, they're not going anywhere, no matter how hard you pray.
I love my Xoom but it is far far out of date. I can't wait to see the Nexus 10 and may very well upgrade to that.
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A wolf in sheep clothing is what you are, I see no apple product in your signature all android and yet you downgrade android, Our two year old Xoom run rings around both the iPad2 and mini. 4.3 ratio is so sixties, Bless Motorola who invented cellphone all others are just carbon copy, you mention out of date and yet mini a week old is selling itself on dual band radio when we all know the Xoom was the first tablet to incorperate it. The mini is in Colby league not Xoom..
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A wolf in sheep clothing is what you are, I see no apple product in your signature all android and yet you downgrade android, Our two year old Xoom run rings around both the iPad2 and mini. 4.3 ratio is so sixties, Bless Motorola who invented cellphone all others are just carbon copy, you mention out of date and yet mini a week old is selling itself on dual band radio when we all know the Xoom was the first tablet to incorperate it. The mini is in Colby league not Xoom..
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So now I need to be an Apple user in order to have an unbiased opinion? Please tell me where I downgraded Android wrongly rather than just shrugging it off. Android tablet app support is atrocious. Its getting better and its nice that Android apps "scale" upward but in doing so, a lot of the screen real estate of a tablet is simply not used efficiently. You can compare it to mobile websites. Have you ever looked at a mobile website on a desktop? They look horrible because they're not using the screen real estate efficiently. With all that said, the user interface of the OS itself and the features and speed have finally surpassed that of iOS.
And yes, the Xoom in the tech world of tablets is very out of date. Hardware tech moves fast; its still relevant and useful but the Tegra 2 processor is simply not up to par with newer chips. One of the main Eos devs even said in their nightly thread that the Xoom is old (coming up on 2 years) and people should start looking to upgrade. It was a bit of an off hand comment (as in I don't think they plan on dropping support any time soon) but people were discussing speed and such and the simple fact is the Xoom's hardware is holding it back from taking full advantage of Jellybean (its fast but not nearly as fast as a Galaxy Nexus or Nexus 7 with Project Butter).
Back to my original point, as I stated, comparing the Xoom and Mini is silly and to me comes across as nothing more than a fishing attempt to bash on Apple and circle jerk about the Xoom with other Xoom owners. They are two products that simply don't compare well to one another. A proper comparison would be the Nexus 7 and the Mini; they are much closer in release dates and are actually of similar sizes and targeted at similar customers.
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so what would be the point of buying an ipad mini?
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People that want a smaller tablet and are already invested in the iOS arena or simply prefer it? Tablets that are 9.6" or 10.1" aren't for everyone, just as phones that are 4.7" aren't for everyone. I know quite a few iPhone users who never got iPads because they saw the device as too large and cumbersome. The Mini introduces another option for iOS users at a different price and size.
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In my opinion the xoom is still a far superior device to any of Apple's closed system devices and will be for some time to come.
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In my opinion the xoom is still a far superior device to any of Apple's closed system devices and will be for some time to come.
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And why do you think that?
Tech_Zealot said:
In my opinion the xoom is still a far superior device to any of Apple's closed system devices and will be for some time to come.
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great point, open source has always been better at providing better and faster support to products which make them more reliable and longer lasting. look how many old PCs are running linux
on the flip side, proprietary software like drivers from nvidia (on my LG phone) take forever to get updates. LG/Nvidia and T-Mobile have only just recently upgraded my phone to GB 2.3.4 (back in March) where as my Xoom is running the latest JB
I think that apple products are great! They give people who are new to the computer world a chance to learn hope to use a computer...
That being said anything beyond being new to computers in respect to acceptable customer support, software support, getting the most out of your device, power, and topping on the cake ethical business operation, you don't find it in apple.
I won't go to far into detail and try not to hate on apple to much, but I think that if you want a device that actually allows you to fully use the hardware then you have to look elsewhere. I also think that you pay far to much money for devices in that brand since they already get their hardware cheap as hell. sure they build solid hardware, but its not always high end, nor is it reasonably priced.
I bought a laptop from an off brand that was twice the power of the average apple computer today and half the price. I received it a year ago.
Ok enough with apple. Sorry that organization irritates me.
So on the xoom. I bought mine fairly recently. Some of the things I love about it is that it's build Pretty solid. I feel like I could throw this thing at a friggin wall! People claim the hardware is outdated, I don't agree. My xoom has EOS Wingray 153 currently and doesn't have any issues at all with lag. The only problems I've had with running apps is that I can't find enough that I want to use. That is to say ones relevant for me to use. I have about 64GB to fill and not enough apps to fill it with
Now this isn't as if I'm saying there aren't enough apps made for android to be honest I think there are plenty. I like that you don't need to use a ca authority to make an app attachable to the store, and I like that they don't pull root apps from the market. I also haven't heard of people being sued for hacking android devices.
I haven't been able to take full advantage of my xoom hardware yet, though it's mostly due to a lack of trying. I mostly use it for a few games and internet use when I'm not home. I also do ebooks and PDFs as well as ssh and some research. To say the xoom is outdated is in my opinion grossly wrong. The software that does a pretty damn good job of efficiently using the hardware, and I've yet to see an app thus far have trouble functioning properly or have any sort of lag. Well I did once, but that could have been so to a new build I literally just installed it also could have just been the app. In any case I no longer have lag.
To close to the question of iPad mini vs xoom. If you have a reason to use something smaller than a xoom then by all means support a terrible organization, but otherwise I think the xoom will be good for me for another year.
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I hate Apple's policies for market share! But over hating their policies I hate those iSheeps who keeps saying that their iPoops of them is better than Android, which was com proved by Geekbench that it's the opposite! For all those saying that Xoom is better than any Apple device, it's a lie, BUT even with it's 2 y.o. hardware it's only worse than the new iPhone 5, which is worse to GNote 10.1, GNote 2 and GS3! And there's still missing the new devices that'll come now, like RAZR HD, HTC One X+, Xperia T, etc... And on the iPad mini topic, all I can say is that it's not worth in ANY F-Word WAY! N7 is the best 7" tablet you'll see, Xoom 2 ME is way better too! But I else think that's not fair compare a 7" tablet to a 10" one, they were built for different functions and there's no way you can be fair to both sides when comparing utility, for example: I have my Xoom, which is amazing, and today I used a little my mom's Xoom 2 ME tablet, and it was way better to read than my 10.1" screen! That's why I'm keeping my Xoom and getting a Nexus 7, as I don't need another high end 10" tablet for now and need a tablet for better mobility.
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