Just placed pre-order for the Amazon tablet. Don't know if it will replace my galaxy tab but for $200 the Amazon tablet looks like a good deal. Also I like the 7 inch better than the 10. I think this will force all others to seriously think about their tablet pricing.
What are your thoughts?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0051VVOB2/ref=mp_s_a_1?qid=1317224821&sr=8-1
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HPs firesale was evidence that pricing can be king outside of the iOS ecosystem, Im personally not interested in one, but I do like the pricing, it could put pressure on other OEMs to drop their prices, look at RIM there are starting to move more playbooks since they are starting to price cut
This also goes to show you how big of a mark up these things have
I just preordered mine as well. I'm crossing my fingers that this thing has bluetooth. Otherwise no external keyboard.
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I just preordered mine as well. I'm crossing my fingers that this thing has bluetooth. Otherwise no external keyboard.
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No bluetooth. Complete specs at the Amazon Landing Page.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0051VVOB2/ref=tsm_1_bl_aw?tag=vglnk-c1655-20
But it does have USB 2.0, so you could plug in a Bluetooth adapter. Potential issue: battery life issues from adapter.
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No bluetooth. Complete specs at the Amazon Landing Page.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0051VVOB2/ref=tsm_1_bl_aw?tag=vglnk-c1655-20
But it does have USB 2.0, so you could plug in a Bluetooth adapter. Potential issue: battery life issues from adapter.
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Depending on the chipset used, it might have latent bluetooth, just like the Nook Color.
Doesn't look like it has a SD slot either. With just 8Gb storage a few movies etc will fill that up.
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There are two considerations I take in above all else these days when I consider a purchase, especially for phone/smaller computing devices.
1. Price to performance (lets be real, tablets are *finally* getting out of over priced stage.)
2. What the support here at XDA is going to be like.
I can handle getting a "mid ranged" device if the price is right.
IF there are enough tweaks, roms, and third party support.
A "Cheap" and "Midranged" tablet can go toe to toe with the best of them.
*if* I consider a tablet.. the lenovo A1 and Amazon Kindle Fire are going to be on the top of the list, because I am suspecting I'll see strong support on both.
Then again, being able to "reverse" whatever I do is also important.
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There are two considerations I take in above all else these days when I consider a purchase, especially for phone/smaller computing devices.
1. Price to performance (lets be real, tablets are *finally* getting out of over priced stage.)
2. What the support here at XDA is going to be like.
I can handle getting a "mid ranged" device if the price is right.
IF there are enough tweaks, roms, and third party support.
A "Cheap" and "Midranged" tablet can go toe to toe with the best of them.
*if* I consider a tablet.. the lenovo A1 and Amazon Kindle Fire are going to be on the top of the list, because I am suspecting I'll see strong support on both.
Then again, being able to "reverse" whatever I do is also important.
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I definitely think there will be lot of dev support for kindle fire given the price point.
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Depending on the chipset used, it might have latent bluetooth, just like the Nook Color.
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Ah! I see. Good point.
The Nook has "latent Bluetooth" but no antenna so it's not very useful.
The new Kindle looks nice, but no 3G/4G (yet). If they do offer it with mobile data it will probably be locked to one carrier. That and being stuck with Amazon's app store makes it a non-starter for me. I'll stick with my old Galaxy 7" for non-home use for now.
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The Nook has "latent Bluetooth" but no antenna so it's not very useful.
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Not quite true.
I'm not impressed what amazon did. Combine their services with good hardware and "real" Android Honeycomb/ice cream sandwich and they might have a winner.
But with this, medium hardware (RAM, int storage, display resolution), missing components, a bit heavy, depends on cyanogen mod to get a real taste of Android, I'm not sure. I see little more than a new Nook color.
With the support of the amazon services like music, video and appstore (since there is no market at least at the beginning) it might be interesting for some people. But for me the 7.7 seems like a much better choice if you look for something smaller than 10.1 or 8.9, even if it costs twice as much.
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I'm not impressed what amazon did. Combine their services with good hardware and "real" Android Honeycomb/ice cream sandwich and they might have a winner.
But with this, medium hardware (RAM, int storage, display resolution), missing components, a bit heavy, depends on cyanogen mod to get a real taste of Android, I'm not sure. I see little more than a new Nook color.
With the support of the amazon services like music, video and appstore (since there is no market at least at the beginning) it might be interesting for some people. But for me the 7.7 seems like a much better choice if you look for something smaller than 10.1 or 8.9, even if it costs twice as much.
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Price is the key though, look what the recent HP firesale did, this will be a mass product aimed at those wanting their first fray into tablets, other manufacturers will need to take note if they want their product to sell. At the way the current global financial state is in Amazon have got a winner here.
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Damn for $199, I'd love to buy it.
Does anyone know if true Android can be hacked or developed for the Kindle fire? It's android based but it doesn't run honeycomb or anything.
I know the Blackberry playbook you cant but that's cause it's RIM software and their security stuff.
It'd be cool if there was a lot of support for it and you can flash all different kinds of ROMs and stuff.
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Damn for $199, I'd love to buy it.
Does anyone know if true Android can be hacked or developed for the Kindle fire? It's android based but it doesn't run honeycomb or anything.
I know the Blackberry playbook you cant but that's cause it's RIM software and their security stuff.
It'd be cool if there was a lot of support for it and you can flash all different kinds of ROMs and stuff.
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I think Amazon tablet will be locked to start with since it is running Amazon's customized Android. We will only know for sure when this is released.
But I think as usual developers will eventually crack it open.
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Price is the key though, look what the recent HP firesale did, this will be a mass product aimed at those wanting their first fray into tablets...
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What do HP touchpad firesale and every china tablet in common (other that the 99$ price tag)? You buy the thing, get frustrated that it doesn't do what you expected and you get a "real" tablet. We have a saying here, if you buy cheap you end up paying twice.
I'm not arguing that it won't sell,it will probably sell pretty good. but I'm saying it's not what it could've been. And I don't think 199$ is particularly cheap for that tablet. It's a good price but not really cheap considering what you give up.
And don't forget everyone who has no access to the amazon services like video and cloud music, which is half of europe. They would get even less out of it but I don't think that it'll be available here.
I think it takes more than a good price to make a winner.
But I don't think amazon really wants to play the tablet game. They want to give you an easier way to subscribe to and consume their content and that's what they can archive with the kindle fire.
I'll wait for the "Fire" app to show up. You know Amazon is going offer one before long.
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I'll wait for the "Fire" app to show up. You know Amazon is going offer one before long.
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I would think it would be more something like "Amazon Portal" that would manage all your Kindle, MP3, Amazon App store, etc on a non-Kindle device.
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I think Amazon tablet will be locked to start with since it is running Amazon's customized Android. We will only know for sure when this is released.
But I think as usual developers will eventually crack it open.
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I'm sure it can be cracked in one way or another. OMAP4 is something a lot of devs have experience with, and I doubt they're deviating much from the components we keep seeing on other platforms.
I'd like to believe that this will be as easy to root as the Nook Color, but given that Amazon has been playing cat-and-mouse with hackers and the older Kindles, I doubt it. Amazon didn't preen their own app store for the last year for nothing, and that's only one content channel they want to own. An open platform means most people will probably install the default Google Market and avoid Amazon's store altogether. The OMAP has some security features in the same vein as the Tegra2, and I'd be surprised if it's not as locked down as the Atrix was before the unlockable bootloader.
That being said, there's a nice tool out there for booting a kernel/ramdisk (read:recovery) OMAP4 over USB, so should Amazon decide to have a change of heart it will be a quick test to tell if the boot process is as easy to hijack as the Nook.
Why not just buy a Galaxy Tab 7" WiFi? Or a used 3g/carrier-branded version on Craigslist. Both can be had for about the same prices as the K-Fire, and they're a whole lot more functional.
Sure, it's single core, but it's single core Hummingbird/SGX540, which is still pretty competitive with the chipset in the PlayKindleBookFire, especially in relation to graphics.
It's also lighter, has a LOT more functionality (GPS, Bluetooth, light sensor, microphone, etc.). And, it's not locked down to the Amazon infrastructure, and has a pretty good XDA community already.
You can still use the Kindle app, but you can also read ePubs, use Google Music, Netflix, etc.
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I'm curious as to what other potential buyers here on XDA plan to do with the Xoom and why they want it. Maybe we can discover new uses through other people?
HD recording and playback will be awesome. I've never owned a webcam, so the Xoom's cam on the front will be fun. I'm very excited for Honeycomb itself, the revamped apps should be really cool! Besides all that, I really like the Xoom's exterior and formfactor compared to some other tablets. The Notion Ink Adam has similar specs, but I simply don't like how it looks. Also, the imposed UI doesn't appeal to me personality.
As far as usage, being a musician, I want to put in all my sheet music/real books to have with me on the gig and for personal practice. Having to print off sheet music and also having to lug everything around isn't very convenient. With the Xoom, I'll have lots of music accessible with just a few clicks! Also, I've gotten quite a few eBooks recently that will be more comfortably read on the Xoom rather than my laptop or my tiny Eris (3.2" screen!)
Ok, I thought this was going to be more about "why Xoom and not another tablet", but reading your post, it sounds more like "what will you do with a tablet". Anyway, why I like the Xoom over other Andro-tablets is the stock Android Honeycomb experience paired with usually reliable Moto hardware. Other tablets are making waves and could steal my vote though, such as the upcoming Toshiba and HTC ones... All high end tablets are likely to feature Android 3.0, dual-core processors, 1Gb RAM, two cameras, 720p recording/1080p playback, HDMI and USB ports, and the usual WiFi and Bluetooth, so the price (and availability in Canada, for me!) will play a big part.
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Ok, I thought this was going to be more about "why Xoom and not another tablet", but reading your post, it sounds more like "what will you do with a tablet". Anyway, why I like the Xoom over other Andro-tablets is the stock Android Honeycomb experience paired with usually reliable Moto hardware. Other tablets are making waves and could steal my vote though, such as the upcoming Toshiba and HTC ones... All high end tablets are likely to feature Android 3.0, dual-core processors, 1Gb RAM, two cameras, 720p recording/1080p playback, HDMI and USB ports, and the usual WiFi and Bluetooth, so the price (and availability in Canada, for me!) will play a big part.
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I edited my first post adequately, thanks! I should have reworded the title.
Yeah, I am curious to see what HTC will come up with, though I really want a tablet now! Motorola has been reliable and blur won't be integrated in, so it should be a great device. However, if the Xoom's pricing is too high I'll probably just wait for a wifi-only device. By that time, there will probably be more info from HTC since leaks from them are common.
Hopefully it'll be available in Canada for you!
will regular android applications work on honeycomb? my main requirement is to use medical programs on android and it s currently running on my fascinate/galaxy tab/ipad.
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will regular android applications work on honeycomb? my main requirement is to use medical programs on android and it s currently running on my fascinate/galaxy tab/ipad.
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From what I know, If they work on your Galaxy Tab they'll work on the Xoom. As you're probably aware of, some apps aren't coded to run on a screen size bigger than a phones, so like in your Tab, they will have be scaled. Honeycomb might compensate somehow though!
As Honeycomb begins to settle, more and more developers will begin to adjust their apps to at least scale to the Xoom's size if not make full use it's screen res.
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I edited my first post adequately, thanks! I should have reworded the title.
Yeah, I am curious to see what HTC will come up with, though I really want a tablet now! Motorola has been reliable and blur won't be integrated in, so it should be a great device. However, if the Xoom's pricing is too high I'll probably just wait for a wifi-only device. By that time, there will probably be more info from HTC since leaks from them are common.
Hopefully it'll be available in Canada for you!
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I am curious just to see what HTC has to offer but I'm pretty sure i want the full Google experience and no sense ui so I definitely want the zoom over any HTC product right now.also HTC needs to start using better processors and screens
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I am curious just to see what HTC has to offer but I'm pretty sure i want the full Google experience and no sense ui so I definitely want the zoom over any HTC product right now.also HTC needs to start using better processors and screens
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And HTC should work on faster OS updates. I'm sticking with the Xoom unless it's too pricey...but even then I'll wait until I can afford it/prices lower! I hope the bootloader isn't locked...
I want it because I actually don't think it's too pricey (assuming 700 is what we're looking at). I'm in the market for a laptop replacement, and with an Android phone and a newly built desktop at home, I just don't need a full blown laptop replacement, especially if I can just remote into my desktop on said tablet. The (likely) dealbreaker for me is a locked bootloader. Has anyone seen any information on the bootloader?
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From what I know, If they work on your Galaxy Tab they'll work on the Xoom. As you're probably aware of, some apps aren't coded to run on a screen size bigger than a phones, so like in your Tab, they will have be scaled. Honeycomb might compensate somehow though!
As Honeycomb begins to settle, more and more developers will begin to adjust their apps to at least scale to the Xoom's size if not make full use it's screen res.
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Thanks, ma42091, for the input. The xoom will be an awesome tablet. Motorola has really step up in terms of top notch specs and design. The competion is really challenging htc and th they have a rumor tablet coming too.
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I want it because I actually don't think it's too pricey (assuming 700 is what we're looking at). I'm in the market for a laptop replacement, and with an Android phone and a newly built desktop at home, I just don't need a full blown laptop replacement, especially if I can just remote into my desktop on said tablet. The (likely) dealbreaker for me is a locked bootloader. Has anyone seen any information on the bootloader?
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It's not too much from what a high-end smartphone costs off-contract now in reality. Though, for a poor college student...
As far as the bootloader, there's no info yet. This is Motorola's latest statement:
We are working closely with our partners to offer a bootloader solution that will enable developers to use our devices as a development platform while still protecting our users' interests. More detailed information will follow as we get closer to availability.
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We'll have to see if anything new info leaks by the Xoom's release, hopefully it'll be unlocked.
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Thanks, ma42091, for the input. The xoom will be an awesome tablet. Motorola has really step up in terms of top notch specs and design. The competion is really challenging htc and th they have a rumor tablet coming too.
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You're welcome. I agree, Motorola has set high standards. Info on one of HTC's tablets is out already: Leak: Topaz Specs (Gizmodo)
The Xoom still looks better!
The Topaz is not an HTC tablet, its an HP WebOS one.
Edit: And now that I hink about it, I honestly do not believe Motorola set the bar high. There are several other tablets running stock Android 3.0 with Tegra 2 processors that are "promised" to be released this year. The few things that seperates this tablet from the others is it being on Verizon, and it being Google's lead Honeycomb device. Heck, in terms of specifications that yet-to-be named Toshiba tablet is already equal to or better than the Xoom, not including the Barometer. The Xoom is not at all a hard device to beat. Especially not in design (my favorite area).
I truly believe the only reason this will be so big is because of Verizon's power. Some say that they made Android what it is today because of the Droid line. With Verizon behind it this tablet will be successful. A very good competitor to the iPad.
Actually the Toshiba tab has only been said to be a tegra 2 processor, they havent given the full specs yet. Also you have to worry about updates, the 1st Droid on vzw because of stock android got all the Google updates before most devices on the market except the nexus. I'm pretty sure this pad will be getting updates long before any other pads out there
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Actually the Toshiba tab has only been said to be a tegra 2 processor, they havent given the full specs yet. Also you have to worry about updates, the 1st Droid on vzw because of stock android got all the Google updates before most devices on the market except the nexus. I'm pretty sure this pad will be getting updates long before any other pads out there
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Go here for the Toshiba tablet specs:
http://www.thetoshibatablet.com/
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Actually the Toshiba tab has only been said to be a tegra 2 processor, they havent given the full specs yet. Also you have to worry about updates, the 1st Droid on vzw because of stock android got all the Google updates before most devices on the market except the nexus. I'm pretty sure this pad will be getting updates long before any other pads out there
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Most if not all of the specs for the Toshiba Tab have been released on it's website: www.thetoshibatablet.com. And yes, I did take the update situation into consideration with my previous post. Hence the "because it is Google's lead device.."
Seems like a nice pad but I couldn't figure out how much memory it comes with? I plan on using about 25gbs just for music, I never plan on hooking this (or my sd card)to my desktop for music again. Also I don't see myself ever buying a Toshiba product, I would prefer LG slate over this but that's just me. If this pad has 32gb on board memory the only reason it will be cheaper is because of no 3g an obviously its Toshiba. Another thing don't drop it, it's not made with the gorilla glass so bumps and drops can crack the screen easily
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I have T-Mobile so I actually did take the LG-G Slate into consideration, but with an 8.9" screen I said never mind. Also, I'm sure Toshiba's tab will be "decent". Judging from photos, and small previews, people seem ok with the device so far.
Galaxy Tab running Honeycomb with a Super AMOLED display and LTE radio is my dream tablet. The Xoom and all the new tabs look amazing but after extensive use of the Galaxy Tab and the iPad in various situations, I find the iPad and soon to be Xoom sized tabs to be just slighty cumbersome on the whole. Though let me reitterate the 'on the whole' part because there certainly were circumstances where the extra real estate of the 10 inch tab was definately prefered. Anyone else have a similar or differing experience?
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Eclair~ said:
The Topaz is not an HTC tablet, its an HP WebOS one.
Edit: And now that I hink about it, I honestly do not believe Motorola set the bar high. There are several other tablets running stock Android 3.0 with Tegra 2 processors that are "promised" to be released this year. The few things that seperates this tablet from the others is it being on Verizon, and it being Google's lead Honeycomb device. Heck, in terms of specifications that yet-to-be named Toshiba tablet is already equal to or better than the Xoom, not including the Barometer. The Xoom is not at all a hard device to beat. Especially not in design (my favorite area).
I truly believe the only reason this will be so big is because of Verizon's power. Some say that they made Android what it is today because of the Droid line. With Verizon behind it this tablet will be successful. A very good competitor to the iPad.
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Argh, don't know why I thought it was HTC!
I had not seen specs for the Toshiba tablet until this morning. Looks pretty good. Looking at that, It does make the Xoom look like it's not hard to beat. As you said, the Xoom will be successful because it's the first Honeycomb tablet and it'll be under Verizon. Motorola has hinted at a Wifi-only and different sizes (7" variant?) as well, which will help later on in the year.
However, there's always something coming that's better with mobile devices. I want a tablet now, the Xoom is what I'm going to get!
Besides, even if it does become overshadowed by over tablets this year, I won't mind--I'm still rockin' a HTC Droid Eris proudly!
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Galaxy Tab running Honeycomb with a Super AMOLED display and LTE radio is my dream tablet. The Xoom and all the new tabs look amazing but after extensive use of the Galaxy Tab and the iPad in various situations, I find the iPad and soon to be Xoom sized tabs to be just slighty cumbersome on the whole. Though let me reitterate the 'on the whole' part because there certainly were circumstances where the extra real estate of the 10 inch tab was definately prefered. Anyone else have a similar or differing experience?
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There's supposed to be a Galaxy Tab 2, wonder what that will have in store. Motorola has hinted at releasing different sizes of the Xoom later on too. I personally want the larger screen size though for pdfs, documents, movies, etc
Played with the xoom today, I will be getting one. And yes the software is done and doesn't crash. I can't wait for this device. It is alot heavier then you expect but is soooooo sexy
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considering the hardware is meant to be so similar, what is the chance of the playbook being flashable to an amazon fire?
and EVEN if it was possible, how would the amazon cloud stuff work?
hmmmm
They both have 1 GHz dual-core OMAP4 SoCs. It's not that beyond the realm of possibility for there to be a port. We obviously don't know how locked down the Fire will be, and I have no clue about the PlayBook's hacking status... One thing to note is that the PlayBook has a full gig of RAM and two cameras, whereas the Fire has no cameras and people guesstimate only half a gig.
Im glad theres no camera keeps the cost down and If I need to make a video call I can do it from my Infuse ,captivate, or gs2, coming to my hand very soon
I wish Fire's android can be ported to Playbook. I have a playbook but can't seem to do much due to lack of apps. I read from the news that Fire and Playbook shares the same hardware design and both developed by Quanta
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Im glad theres no camera keeps the cost down and If I need to make a video call I can do it from my Infuse ,captivate, or gs2, coming to my hand very soon
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infuse,captivate and gs2..you look like samsung fan all the way
just wanted to up this for more opinions now that the playbook is $199. i'm trying to decide between the two.
also wanted to know if there are any xda threads devoted to android on the playbook?
I haven't heard too much good things about the Playbook to be honest. Where I live it costs very much more than the Kindle Fire too, for me it was quite an easy choice.
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I haven't heard too much good things about the Playbook to be honest. Where I live it costs very much more than the Kindle Fire too, for me it was quite an easy choice.
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with them being the same price here the decision is a little tougher because the fire is basically a stripped down version of the playbook. having the two cameras and gps etc seems like it may be worth it even though app selection and future support is questionable.
it also seems as though with the new beta os that adding android apps to the playbook is now possible.
So my friend is willing to sell me a Kindle Fire for $60.
I'm heavily thinking about buying it, but I also want to save for a Galaxy tab.
Either, way I can get the Kindle Fire for the right price. But is it actually a decent tablet like device? Performance wise that is. Also, I kinda want one because I know some group of intelligent people are going to port a working Gingerbread or even Honeycomb ROM. Thus making it a full tablet.
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Should I buy a Kindle Fire?
Is it good performance wise?
What do you want to do with it? I use it for web, forums, other basic Internet activities, and it works very well.
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60 bucks? What's your hold up? You can't go wrong at that price.
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It depends on what you need it for. The KFire doesn't come with Bluetooth, GPS, 3G, camera, or a built in microphone. So if you really depend on those features then I would get the Galaxy Tab. The KFire is still a great device though. You can read books, watch movies from Amazon Prime, get apps from Android Market, and much more.
Performance-wise the KFire's processing speed is 1Ghz, the same as the GTab but the Kindle Fire has 512mb of RAM while the Galaxy Tab has 1GB. Don't worry about the performance of the Kindle Fire because 512mb of RAM is more than enough. Even the Galaxy Tab only makes 512mb of its RAM usable anyway. The overall performance of the Kindle Fire and the Galaxy Tab are the same though.
Hope this helps!
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Thats good rate for stolen. Usually only get 50-25% off.
Thelgow said:
Thats good rate for stolen. Usually only get 50-25% off.
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That's exactly what I was thinking lol. Who would sell you a Kindle Fire for $60?
Well if you don't buy it send your friend my way.
I'd even up it to $100
I love mine. Awesome machine for the money!
Galaxy Tab 7 Plus and KF performs the same? HHmmmm. Not in my experience. The GTab is an android tablet where the KF (and NT) are really e-readers running android. Not that that is a bad thing. With all new shiny things there's a bit of giddiness and excitement as it should be. The KF is, and IMO will continue to be a serviceable unit primarily for reading and content consumption via Amazon. With all the new tabs coming out Devs are going to be hard-pressed to choose which to dig into. Likely choosing the ones with the greater return on time expended. Remember. most Devs do this because it's fun on their free time. HC and ICS on the KF? I have strong doubts on official releases. Ports perhaps but upgrading the OS doesn't have a return on investment for Amazon. They're making a buck or so on the units. Their profit is via content. I see Amazon releasing official upgrades ONLY if OS-specific content that they can charge for (locked down from their site/store). Heck even BN only released 2.2 from 2.1 on the NC after a year and that was for flash support (for BN content).
Perhaps I'm being cynical. Or realistic. But points to think about.
What are you waiting for? I though $199 was a steal! especially since it has an external mic capability is a bonus!
Actually nook Tablet is better for a low end Tablet
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What are you waiting for? I though $199 was a steal! especially since it has an external mic capability is a bonus!
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And we are also working on enabling the on-board Bluetooth
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Nice,
I would have definitely bought it as soon as I heard $60 come out of his mouth.
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What are you waiting for? I though $199 was a steal! especially since it has an external mic capability is a bonus!
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Literally...a steal. Tell your friend he could get more than $60 for stolen KF's.
If they do come out with a 10-incher, I hope it comes with bluetooth. I love accessories and it would make me totally happy if I can use a bluetooth keyboard with it.
I just want a bigger screen, different shelf styles, and that's pretty much it. Maybe Bluetooth, but I don't care too much about that. I got approved for an Amazon Rewards card yesterday, so I'm pretty much set for life, they officially own my soul.
Jessical said:
I just want a bigger screen, different shelf styles, and that's pretty much it. Maybe Bluetooth, but I don't care too much about that. I got approved for an Amazon Rewards card yesterday, so I'm pretty much set for life, they officially own my soul.
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What does a Amazon Rewards card give you that sets you for life?
As far as a tablet goes...if they add all that stuff. SD card slot, microphone, bluetooth, cameras, etc...they are basically entering the real tablet world (lets face it...the Fire is a color eReader) and that puts them into a different market going head to head with the Nexus 7, Galaxy Tab line, etc. They will have a hard time beating something like the Nexus 7...
Although if they had color eInk...that would be cool. I never realized how much eye strain reading a book on a non-eInk screen would cause until now. LOL
An micro SD card slot would be nice but doubt it will have one. Bluetooth would also be nice. Or maybe volume buttons on it. I don't mind the on-screen ones but I would like a physical button myself.
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ExploreMN said:
What does a Amazon Rewards card give you that sets you for life?
As far as a tablet goes...if they add all that stuff. SD card slot, microphone, bluetooth, cameras, etc...they are basically entering the real tablet world (lets face it...the Fire is a color eReader) and that puts them into a different market going head to head with the Nexus 7, Galaxy Tab line, etc. They will have a hard time beating something like the Nexus 7...
Although if they had color eInk...that would be cool. I never realized how much eye strain reading a book on a non-eInk screen would cause until now. LOL
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I've got one too, its a credit card for every dollar you spend from amazon purchase you get 3 points($0.03) back 2 points for gas and I think restaurants and 1 point for everything else.
Its a great card as long as you pay it off every month cause the interest rates are high. I buy everything with that card the just pay it off Like right now I have around 4000 points($40) I can use on an amazon purchase.
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I'd like to see Jelly Bean but doubt it. A camera would be nice, and bluetooth. Micro SD slot of course. The Play store. For internals I really would like to see a quad-core processor. Something that can handle games better. Tired of lag.
I expect that the specs for the Kindle Fire 2 will be about the same as the nexus tablet. It be great if Amazon tried to one up them though. Maybe include an sdcard slot or video out. Amazon isn't selling higher capacity Kindles so it couldn't hurt to have the sd slot.
Microphone, camera, volume buttons and Micro SD slot. Anything more would be nice.
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I say a micro SD card slot' camera and a mic. It would also be pretty cool if it came with the Amazon app store and Google play store. We shouldn't have to root it to get the apps we want.
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I'll be honest, I'd find it extremely unlikely that they are going to release a new Kindle at the end of this month without an actual announcement by now.
That said, I would like to see them compete with the Google Nexus for specs. It'd be really nice if they released an 10" tablet that's a competitive price rather than slapping a $500 price tag on it like most companies do.
I would have to doubt that they add the Play store because to sell it for $200 they planed to make the money that they were losing by selling large amounts of content.
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squeedps said:
I'll be honest, I'd find it extremely unlikely that they are going to release a new Kindle at the end of this month without an actual announcement by now.
That said, I would like to see them compete with the Google Nexus for specs. It'd be really nice if they released an 10" tablet that's a competitive price rather than slapping a $500 price tag on it like most companies do.
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I think the original info on this said that they would make an announcement on it by the end of this month. We'll see. I think it will do very well.
squeedps said:
I'll be honest, I'd find it extremely unlikely that they are going to release a new Kindle at the end of this month without an actual announcement by now.
That said, I would like to see them compete with the Google Nexus for specs. It'd be really nice if they released an 10" tablet that's a competitive price rather than slapping a $500 price tag on it like most companies do.
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If you've been googling "10 inch kindle fire" for the past few days like I have, then you can see that there are many rumors that Amazon is eyeing July 31 as an announcement day ^_^
Silly question, I suppose, but why isn't the nook hd+ just wildly popular. it's such a cool tablet, and you can get them cheap on ebay... or from barnes & noble, for that matter, what with the recent sales at various stores.
EDIT: 3 weeks later and I'm liking my nook more and more. It's just a joy to hold. The perfect size for me. I hope all the predictions about its demise are wrong. I'd love to see it continue to develop, keeping the hardware up-to-date as time goes on.
As a tablet it is fine and dandy with all that it has going for it but I felt it was too big to carry around as a reader. Obviously many many others disagree since the iPad is popular as a reader as well as being used as a tablet though so I don't know
I'm mostly unplugged from mainstream media, but I don't think it got nearly the exposure of the Nexus and Kindle Fire products. It also has the B&N app store dragging it down, and the original software (which is what most people experienced in-store last year, and maybe still do) was a bit laggy. Developers and tech lovers flocked to the Nexus 7/10 and "For Dummies" types looking for a media device went to Amazon and Apple. The low end of the tablet market is a lot more crowded than it used to be.
We have to remember, the Nook is targeted as an eReader. To be frank, it actually is - nothing more. Only once rooted, or once CM10 is installed, is it's true full potential unleashed, as a competitor against the Nexus 7, iPad etc. Without the XDA community, and the developers here (sincerely thankful to those), without them, this tablet would be basic eReader.
You can imagine the amount of people who have a Nook HD/+ and have no idea how to root, or install CM10. Those who simply use it as an eReader; they're not going to consider it competing against the likes of a Nexus 7. Once the developer community steps in, that's when it's popularity is increased.
So, as a stock ROM is shipped by default, and not many people are aware of it's "full-potential", we can assume this is the reason for lack of sales.
Boy, ain't that the truth. I think B&N are doing a huge disservice to themselves and their customers by being so uncooperative with all the developers who're making their tablets into useful multipurpose devices.
HiddenG said:
We have to remember, the Nook is targeted as an eReader. To be frank, it actually is - nothing more. Only once rooted, or once CM10 is installed, is it's true full potential unleashed, as a competitor against the Nexus 7, iPad etc. Without the XDA community, and the developers here (sincerely thankful to those), without them, this tablet would be basic eReader.
You can imagine the amount of people who have a Nook HD/+ and have no idea how to root, or install CM10. Those who simply use it as an eReader; they're not going to consider it competing against the likes of a Nexus 7. Once the developer community steps in, that's when it's popularity is increased.
So, as a stock ROM is shipped by default, and not many people are aware of it's "full-potential", we can assume this is the reason for lack of sales.
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We tend to forget that B & N is in the book business not the hardware business. While I wish they would let this device be fully and easily converted to an Android tablet, why would they? I use the few hacks available and find it to be good as an Android Tablet and happy to have it.
dbrickg said:
Boy, ain't that the truth. I think B&N are doing a huge disservice to themselves and their customers by being so uncooperative with all the developers who're making their tablets into useful multipurpose devices.
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Yes, of course they're in the book business. But they do sell other stuff, nice coffee cups, for instance, with cute book-related quotes printed on the outside. And they don't lock the top, making them useless for coffee, on the grounds that they're a book business and don't want to allow their customers to actually use their mechandise for anything other than reading. Or, maybe if they were selling sports cars, they'd take the wheels off, insisting that people only use them to sit in the driver's seat and read books on the heads-up video display. In short, it seems to me that, more than being in the book business, they're in the business of selling stuff, and, no matter what that stuff, it seems silly to deliberately cripple it. It's as if they started censoring their books based on some arbitrary rule....
diajohn said:
We tend to forget that B & N is in the book business not the hardware business. While I wish they would let this device be fully and easily converted to an Android tablet, why would they? I use the few hacks available and find it to be good as an Android Tablet and happy to have it.
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diajohn said:
We tend to forget that B & N is in the book business not the hardware business. While I wish they would let this device be fully and easily converted to an Android tablet, why would they?
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They just took a big step in that direction: http://liliputing.com/2013/05/bn-adds-google-play-store-to-nook-hd-nook-hd.html
If they would just let other launchers override the native button/notification bar and recent apps, I wouldn't need CM10.
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Yes, of course they're in the book business. But they do sell other stuff, nice coffee cups, for instance, with cute book-related quotes printed on the outside. And they don't lock the top, making them useless for coffee, on the grounds that they're a book business and don't want to allow their customers to actually use their mechandise for anything other than reading. Or, maybe if they were selling sports cars, they'd take the wheels off, insisting that people only use them to sit in the driver's seat and read books on the heads-up video display. In short, it seems to me that, more than being in the book business, they're in the business of selling stuff, and, no matter what that stuff, it seems silly to deliberately cripple it. It's as if they started censoring their books based on some arbitrary rule....
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Comparing a tablet and a coffee mug is like me comparing a car and a tank.. Two COMPLETELY different things.. I'm pretty sure it probably cost B&N about 2 dollars to "make" that coffee mug and sell it at a 90% profit when they sell them.. Tablets are very content driven.. B&N probably isn't making any money on the Nook itself.. More off the content that people buy on it (Newspapers, books, magazine subscriptions, ect..)
Yes, of course you're right: they're very different things. Just like books and cups and nooks are all very different things. All I'm saying it *whatever* they sell, whatever *anybody* sells, they should probably sell the best stuff they can. I still buy ebooks from the B&N store, but I would never have bought a nook in the first place if it couldn't be uncrippled. As it is, I've bought 4 of them. But no thanks to B&N. A big thanks to xda developers.
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Comparing a tablet and a coffee mug is like me comparing a car and a tank.. Two COMPLETELY different things.. I'm pretty sure it probably cost B&N about 2 dollars to "make" that coffee mug and sell it at a 90% profit when they sell them.. Tablets are very content driven.. B&N probably isn't making any money on the Nook itself.. More off the content that people buy on it (Newspapers, books, magazine subscriptions, ect..)
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I don't think the Kindle Fire HD 8.9 is selling well, either. It has had several $50-off sales, and has been marked down to $269 (16GB) from $299. Likewise, from the latest IDC report, the whole KFHD line hasn't had the same success as the orig KF had. A reasonable conclusion can be drawn that, as tablet users become more savvy and demanding of their tablets, walled-garden-style tablets with limited ecosystem are losing out to more "open" tablets. Perhaps that's the same conclusion drawn by B&N in adopting Goog Play.
http://www.geekwire.com/2013/amazons-kindle-fire-dips-4-market-share/
It'll be interesting to see how Amazon adjusts to the slowdown in adoption rate. It can't rely on low pricing to push KFs any more, not with low-end tabs dropping down to $170 for 7" and $250 for 10". From the B&N CEO's allusions, we can surmise that B&N is ditching the hardware route and concentrating on packaging its core IPs for existing ecos. There's no good business reason for B&N to do its own hardware, now that the walled-eco strategy has failed.
I just got the Nook HD+ a couple of days ago, about a day before the new 2.1.0 update, so have had experience with both the old and new software. The improvement is night and day. I'm hoping that this will kickstart the Nook line and get more users into the Nook fold, if for nothing else than to get more bodies into these forums. The hardware is great, and now the (stock) software is good enough. But for the long term, I do expect the HD line to be the last of the Nooks.
Yahoo! Sounds like they're starting to get the message.
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They just took a big step in that direction: http://liliputing.com/2013/05/bn-adds-google-play-store-to-nook-hd-nook-hd.html
If they would just let other launchers override the native button/notification bar and recent apps, I wouldn't need CM10.
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Nicely said. Yes, yes, and yes. And I imagine you're right, too, about the HD being the end of the line for nooks. But I hope not. I really like my HD+ and would love to see them continue to upgrade it!
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I don't think the Kindle Fire HD 8.9 is selling well, either. It has had several $50-off sales, and has been marked down to $269 (16GB) from $299. Likewise, from the latest IDC report, the whole KFHD line hasn't had the same success as the orig KF had. A reasonable conclusion can be drawn that, as tablet users become more savvy and demanding of their tablets, walled-garden-style tablets with limited ecosystem are losing out to more "open" tablets. Perhaps that's the same conclusion drawn by B&N in adopting Goog Play.
http://www.geekwire.com/2013/amazons-kindle-fire-dips-4-market-share/
It'll be interesting to see how Amazon adjusts to the slowdown in adoption rate. It can't rely on low pricing to push KFs any more, not with low-end tabs dropping down to $170 for 7" and $250 for 10". From the B&N CEO's allusions, we can surmise that B&N is ditching the hardware route and concentrating on packaging its core IPs for existing ecos. There's no good business reason for B&N to do its own hardware, now that the walled-eco strategy has failed.
I just got the Nook HD+ a couple of days ago, about a day before the new 2.1.0 update, so have had experience with both the old and new software. The improvement is night and day. I'm hoping that this will kickstart the Nook line and get more users into the Nook fold, if for nothing else than to get more bodies into these forums. The hardware is great, and now the (stock) software is good enough. But for the long term, I do expect the HD line to be the last of the Nooks.
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dbrickg said:
Nicely said. Yes, yes, and yes. And I imagine you're right, too, about the HD being the end of the line for nooks. But I hope not. I really like my HD+ and would love to see them continue to upgrade it!
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I'm doubtful whether there will even be another generation of eink Nooks, though I'd love to see a reader with the screen and lighting of the new Kobo Aura, but running Android.
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You just need a bigger carry bag
Seriously, though, one of the reasons I like the HD+ is that it fits in my small Eagle Creek side bag... just barely. Whereas all the 10" tablets are too big. And I love that it's big enough to display a usable full hacker's keyboard in portrait mode. On my 7" tablets, the keys are too small for my big fingers. The keyboard works well on the 7"s in reduced mode, but it's kind of nice to have working Ctrl and Tab keys accessible all the time.
koreanschoolkid said:
As a tablet it is fine and dandy with all that it has going for it but I felt it was too big to carry around as a reader. Obviously many many others disagree since the iPad is popular as a reader as well as being used as a tablet though so I don't know
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Had it released with Google Market, it would have been. That of course would defeat the business model purpose of the device in the first place.
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Had it released with Google Market, it would have been. That of course would defeat the business model purpose of the device in the first place.
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You are absolutely right. I was in the market for a tablet in last November and checked out Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD 7, and Nook HD. I ruled out Nook quickly after checking what's available in the B&N App store. I have Amazon Prime but still refused to pay for a KFHD due to the locked environment. In the end, I bought Nexus 7 and later received KFHD as a free gift. Now I just bought a new Nook HD+ as I prefer a larger tablet for reading books and technical manuals. I would not have bought one if they didn't add Google Play support.
I was able to take advantage of the Mother's Day sale on barnes&noble.com, got me a Nook HD+ for $228 with taxes and shipping—still a great steal at that. I wish B&N would turn the walled ecosystem biz model on its head and compete head-on with the other tablet giants. Heck, ship them all rooted, and watch the buyers drop the Kindle and iPad mini lines en masse once they realize what Nook HD+ can do. (the hope of course being that B&N can sell more books despite having that open platform)
I do hope they don't discontinue the Nooks; with their specs, they can price it up to $300 and it'd still be an attractive alternative to the other better-marketed options from Samsung, Apple and Amazon.
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They just took a big step in that direction: http://liliputing.com/2013/05/bn-adds-google-play-store-to-nook-hd-nook-hd.html
If they would just let other launchers override the native button/notification bar and recent apps, I wouldn't need CM10.
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? I installed apex launcher from Google Play and everything worked fine sorry for bumping an old post
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CubeCloudOS said:
? I installed apex launcher from Google Play and everything worked fine sorry for bumping an old post
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Ya I ran go launcher HD pad version and it works fine on stock nook HD+
I am running cm 10.1 now rooted.
I would have been ok with running stock rom, but got too many "you can't do that" messages lol.
So I'm running CM 10.1 and love it. This is a fantastic tablet for the value. I got the HD+ 32gb for $ 179
then added a 64GB sandisk class 6 (one of the very few 64gb sdcards that actually works without problems on nook)
so I have a 96gb tablet that still cheaper than a Nexus or Asus.
Very happy with it and recommended to all my friends.
I think if more people were fully aware how awesome it was for the low cost, they would quickly be bought up!