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Powersave & Wifi

Dear all,
I'm wondering about Wifi telephony on the QTEK 9100.
It works fairly well with various software soutions. However, the phone has to stay "fully on" (except backlight) in order for th Wifi connection to remain up. This alters battery life severely.
I'm wondering if it is possible to have the Wifi connection stay up during power save mode, with some kind of "Wake on WLAN" event that would wake up the phone so that IP phone software can process incoming data.
Some of it already happens for GSM. I'm wondering whether the GSM part is "fully independant" (like on a different processor), or if it's handled by the main processor. In the later case, it may be possible to achieve something similar with Wifi telephony.
Thanks in advance for any hint.

so there is no way having WIFI enabled and lettign the pda go to sleep mode / power save mode ??
is there an APP that leaves power save mode off if the WIFI is enabled, so only the screen goes of light, and the pda stays on ?
P.

nbougues said:
Some of it already happens for GSM. I'm wondering whether the GSM part is "fully independant" (like on a different processor), or if it's handled by the main processor. In the later case, it may be possible to achieve something similar with Wifi telephony.
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It's fully independent. It's very cleverly written; this is why, for example, listening to incoming IMAP IDLE or Push Mail callbacks don't require the CPU at all.

yes i got that part on my own, thats why the GPRS connection stays on... but still there should be a registry somewhere to prevent device to go to sleep if WIFI conneciton is made..
tried all the powermode stuff in regisrty, nothn worked... out of clue...

papizdono said:
yes i got that part on my own, thats why the GPRS connection stays on... but still there should be a registry somewhere to prevent device to go to sleep if WIFI conneciton is made..
tried all the powermode stuff in regisrty, nothn worked... out of clue...
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I don't think you can do this - the WI-Fi module is completely independent of the radio module. Furthermore, you'll constantly need a LOT of power to keep the Wi-Fi connection up, as opposed to GSM/GPRS, where handshaking is only done during roaming to another cell and/or every (AFAIK) 10-20 minutes. Otherwise, the PDA doesn't trasmit anything, a sopposed to the Wi-Fi case.
That is, it seem sit's impossible to do any long-term Wi-Fi "listening" in the current Wi-Fi / PPC architecture.

papizdono said:
yes i got that part on my own, thats why the GPRS connection stays on... but still there should be a registry somewhere to prevent device to go to sleep if WIFI conneciton is made..
tried all the powermode stuff in regisrty, nothn worked... out of clue...
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I don't think you can do this - the WI-Fi module is completely independent of the radio module. Furthermore, you'll constantly need a LOT of power to keep the Wi-Fi connection up, as opposed to GSM/GPRS, where handshaking is only done during roaming to another cell and/or every (AFAIK) 10-20 minutes. Otherwise, the PDA doesn't trasmit anything, a sopposed to the Wi-Fi case.
That is, it seem sit's impossible to do any long-term Wi-Fi "listening" in the current Wi-Fi / PPC architecture.

all i need is a tool that disables POWERSAVE mode if WIFI connections is made, or even if WIFI is enabled...
that would do all the work....
anyone ?

i think the closest thing is in phm powertoys (http://www.phm.lu/products/PocketPC/PowerToys/)
the screensaver option... what it does is turn off your touchscreen like in "sleep" mode but if u use this you might want to disable the power save option cause while u have screensaver on its still gonna count down n shut off ur ppc hope this helps!

Socket WIFI Companion - or sth similar...

hi
Im, almost proudly, WiFI Companon user. IMHO program is quite nice and helpful, but I've got a problem with one. The thing is - on the main screen there is buton Network Available - it gives me a list of available networks, also networks I was connected before. I can chose network I wont, connect etc. And it works simply and fine ...till I (or itselfs after e.g. 60sek) turn off (sleep). After waking up it program couldn't connect and list of networks is empty although searching and trying etc. There are networks available for sure but WiFI Companion couldn't "wake up" and work corectly and show it. After ordinery reset everything is good again, but it takes some time (windows loadnig) and its quite annoying. What's wrong with this software? Is it problem with one, or my new rom (1.17.707 10G pdaviet), or maybe me... Or someboudy could recomend me similar (maybe better) software?

have you tried closed the program in settings memory running programs and restarting it?

thanks for rapid answer
of corse I've tried it... No results.... Btw. it's quite impossible to completely close it because its quite deep integrated with system - I can't see it in running programes list when it's closed... It seems that software just don't wake up corectly... Also I've tried few versions - no difference...

Data connection full time

Hey guys.
One of these days I got an SMS from my carrier saying my data plan had been activated (I didn't ask for it) and that my cell would be self configured to use the data connection.
The problem is that since then, my phone seems to be connected full time.
The back plate is hot as hell, the battery doesn't last 6 hours, and every cheap pc speaker set (that suffers interference from cell phone waves) indicates it's connected the whole time.
The first time it happenned, I managed to turn it off with "HD Tweak".
Now I flashed Dutty's "R7 Thriller" and the problem is back, though now I use HD Tweak to disable the connection, set "always on" to false, set "auto disconnect" to 10 seconds and nothing seems to fix this. The only way to make my battery last for more then half a day is to put it in airplane mode.
I even tryied to set the 'priority' order of connections to "My Work Network", and I even deleted the data connection (There's "Vivo Zap", the Edge/3G one, and "Vivo MMS" - this MMS hasn't been deleted by me).
Anybody had any problem like this? How to fix this?!
Thanks in advance!

try this app http://rapidshare.com/files/88130685/MoDaCo_NoData.CAB.html
it disables data connection completely -- install then go to settings, connections and start no data and disable your decided connection!

Thanks a lot, I'll give it a try! ; )
Just outta curiosity: is this normal, this full time connection? I disabled it every way I found, and yet it didn't stop!
F*** Windows Mobile... ¬¬

shinobih2o said:
Thanks a lot, I'll give it a try! ; )
Just outta curiosity: is this normal, this full time connection? I disabled it every way I found, and yet it didn't stop!
F*** Windows Mobile... ¬¬
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Of course it aint normal, but I maybe wrong, cuz i have a completely different operator and completely different data connection(which is turned off for me by the operator)--- full time connection maybe active because something is wrong with your rom or something - try a hard reset if the nodata app doesnt help

NoData didn't run in my ROM (Onkolog's WM6.5 Full). : (
But I installed "Advanced Config Tool" and disabled "GPRS Auto Attach".
Description: "Automatically search GPRS/3G connection on start of radio, or only when a data connection must be estabilished".
It seems cooler now; as soon as I get to my work I'll test it with the desktop speakers (they make some pretty weird noises when there is a cell phone radio frequency emitter near them, like a cell phone trying to connect to the 3G or GSM network).
I'll post it back when I get back!

I disabled my data connection like this
Settings>Connections>Connections>Advanced>Select Networks...
And in those two drop down menus select "My Work Network"
Worked for me....

I tried that too, but that didn't work.
Indeed, the only way to make the battery last more then 6 hours is to use "Advanced Config" and disable that 3G lookup thing.
Weird, uh? Anybody had a similar problem...?

Auto-Off for WiFi when not at home

Hi,
i'd like to save some battery on my desire and i think WiFi is draining the battery a lot.
Like many people i use wifi only at home but i forget to turn off wifi often and then the phone is searching for new wifi networks all the time.
Is there an app out there which turns off wifi automatically when a certain wifi network is out of range? Switching on manually is no problem, cause when i use internet at home i realize quick that i am on 3G and not Wifi. I think there is no way for an auto-on/auto-off.
Any ideas?
thanks

There's an app called Sweet Dreams that turn Wi-Fi/Bluetooth/Ringer/ on or off based on some things like current day, hour of the day, location, sound in the room, movement of the handset.
It's more focused on saving battery and turning sound down when you sleep but works perfectly for what you need.
There's also something like Locale

thx, but i think both apps use GPS for the Location which drains the battery again
A Simple:
If wifi XXX is out of range for more than 5 minutes -> turn off wifi

Or you can use "Setting Profiles" which I use and prefer much more over "Locale"
With Setting Profiles you have the option to save a location based on either
Lat/lon or Cells ids or WIFI location.
Also has reverse logic
Info:
***.probeez.com
(replace *** with www as I am not allowed to post external links)
Best program in Market for this if you ask me.

How the hell do you set this up
LOL. I wanted to turn wifi off when away from home
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Might be easier to help you if you also tell us what program your trying to setup

y5 battery saver - used it on my g1 and hero with perfect results
more info: http://y5.polidea.pl/

y5 seems a good little app, will try it out this evening, thanks for the tip stingerpl

setting profiles its the app im trying too setup
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watercool said:
thx, but i think both apps use GPS for the Location which drains the battery again
A Simple:
If wifi XXX is out of range for more than 5 minutes -> turn off wifi
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Well both have the option of using GPS but it can work just fine with cell triangulation. If your GPS is off it can work just fine based only on approximation from GSM towers, similar to what Google Maps does for the "My Location" feature.

Guitarfreak26 said:
setting profiles its the app im trying too setup
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Well if you want it to turn off WIFI when your leaving home and get out of reach of your WIFI you do the following:
1. Press "locations" and press the menu button and press "New location". Choose "Wi-Fi AP Identified" and put a mark where it says the name of you WiFI at home. and name it like "Home"
2. Now press the profiles button and create 2 profiles. First one you can call "At Home" and set it up like you want you telefon with WiFi enabled and so on when your at home.
Next create another profile and call it something like " Away from Home" and set it up with WiFi disabled and so on like you want it.
3. Now press the "Rules" button and press menu again and create a new rule.
Again press "Menu" and then "Add condition" and choose location you just created before.
Now press Menu and choose "add action" and choose "Activate profile" and choose the profile "At Home" that you created before.
4. Now press the "Rules" button and press menu again and create a new rule.
Again press "Menu" and then "Add condition" and choose location you just created before. But this time put a mark in "Inverse condition logic"
Now press Menu and choose "add action" and choose "Activate profile" and choose the profile "Away from Home" that you created before.
Now your telefon is set to turn off Wifi and what else you want off when you leave reach of your network at home and also it is set to turn back WiFi on when you get back home in reach of your network.
Simple once you learn the logic of setting up profiles and so on. And extremely powerfull as you can basicly set and rule and action for anything you want and get it to do anything you want.
Hope that helped a bit.

Ahh i see.. Ive set that up..
Now i need to figure a way to turn bluetooth on when im in the car lol...

thyttel said:
Well if you want it to turn off WIFI when your leaving home and get out of reach of your WIFI you do the following:
1. Press "locations" and press the menu button and press "New location". Choose "Wi-Fi AP Identified" and put a mark where it says the name of you WiFI at home. and name it like "Home"
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That isn't going to work, when coming back from 'Away from Home' the wifi is in an off state therefore it won't detect that it is back in the home wifi range.
You need to set-up lon/lat for the wifi to turn back on again.

Ive set it up with location.. surely tht needs gps on tho?

Guitarfreak26 said:
Ive set it up with location.. surely tht needs gps on tho?
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No, I think it works out your location using the mobile network masts

I thought the HTC desire switched over to the 3G network when out of range of the wifi anyway.
How do you know for sure that it continues scanning for a wireless network?
And if this is certain, does it do this only when the phone is on and not in stand-by?

I think the best way to approach this is something like Nokia have.
Get the networks (wifi or 3g) in order of preference to connect. Then when sync is need if you have wifi network in a major priority of an 3g, the phone try to connect first to the wifi, if not in range go to 3g.

i downloaded the y5 app form the market and used it for a full day, i say it works amazing like how you want it...
at first i thought it was not working because when i was out of range, the wifi didnt turn off...but i found out why
when you first got your y5 app, open it and it will auto remember your wifi AP(if you are connected to the wifi AP when opening the app)
ok now the tricky part is setting it to turn off, you have to go out of range from the wifi(just go out the house until there is clearly no signal), then manually turn off the wireless.....
ok now go back into the wifi range, voila it will turn itself back on! and go away from it, will turn wifi off!
=D tried and tested....
ps: if you dont manually turn it off when you go out of range for the first time, it somehow wont auto turn wifi off after that......for me at least...

Does it have to be automatic? ToggleWifi shows a not connected icon in the topbar when you have wifi on and not connected. And it is not a widget, so you can customize the icon for wifi (which acts as a wifi toggle)

msc4985 said:
I thought the HTC desire switched over to the 3G network when out of range of the wifi anyway.
How do you know for sure that it continues scanning for a wireless network?
And if this is certain, does it do this only when the phone is on and not in stand-by?
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- cause i get a notification when an open wifi is awailable, and in addition, how should the phone know that i am at home without scanning (and do an auto connect)?
- second is true, i set at the wifi-policies that wifi is turned off when in standby

data connection

how can i do that my data connection stay alive when i standby the device?
(for example holding icq or fim working in standby)
i found something that does exactly this with WiFi but not with data connections...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=636656 in this thread the seventh app

When you say data connection do you mean Wifi?
To keep wifi you can use any register editor (SKTools for example). Then search for this entry "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\BCMSDDHD1\Parms".
When you've found it look for a key named "HTCKeepWifiOnWhenUnattended=0" and modify the 0 and type 1. It must be like this: HTCKeepWifiOnWhenUnattended=1
I did this way and it worked. Anyways if you are not sure how to do it you can search for a .cab "WiFi Stay Awake" that do the step above.
You must be aware that use this trick to enable wifi while staying in "stand by" drains your battery faster and depending how much you use your htc mega won't last for a day. Hope this help

no i dont mean wifi i mean the internet connection
on german its called "Datenverbindung" in english this would be data connection that why i wrote that
but i mean the internet (GPRS/EDGE/HSDPA)
the connection closes when i lock my phone and turn display off (standby i guess)

Oh, I looked at the 7th app and saw "7th cab - Makes ur WiFi stay awake when the phone get's locked , usefull when using Skype(or similar) or dont want to connect/disconnect/reconnect every time u leave it for a minute and it goes in standby". That's why I thought that.
I'm not sure then because I don't use data connection but maybe there is an entry like the "HTCKeepWifiOnWhenUnattended". Try to look @ it.

ok i searched but didn't found anything...

nobody any idea?..

Spacii said:
nobody any idea?..
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Try these two applications.

these 2 tools are only to disable the GPRS/EDGE/3G connection...
i want some help keeping the connections alive when i turn of my phones screen....

still having this issue :/