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So, I'm new to the world of tablets - the only interaction with them being some light use on my mom's tablet (including rooting it via Iconia Root and installing Acer Recovery Installer v2.54) I was curious about updating via ARI (since she's rooted and being plagued by OTA popups). Back when she first got the tablet, she tried to update and it would stop mid-download, giving no error, and just sit there until she cancelled it (this was before the root). So, basically, my question is: Is it possible to run a stock update (Ie "Stock 3.1 4.010.42_EMEA_GEN3") without having to wipe during install? I have a backup via ARI and also Titanium backup installed but I'd really like to not have to re-install all the apps/set up the homescreen (she's on stock) and stuff. I know on my OG droid that when I installed CM7 I had to do a wipe for it to even get past the boot screen but I figure with this being a stock update maybe it's different...
If not is there some way that I can install an update while keeping the root/system data?
AliceInUnderland said:
So, I'm new to the world of tablets - the only interaction with them being some light use on my mom's tablet (including rooting it via Iconia Root and installing Acer Recovery Installer v2.54) I was curious about updating via ARI (since she's rooted and being plagued by OTA popups). Back when she first got the tablet, she tried to update and it would stop mid-download, giving no error, and just sit there until she cancelled it (this was before the root). So, basically, my question is: Is it possible to run a stock update (Ie "Stock 3.1 4.010.42_EMEA_GEN3") without having to wipe during install? I have a backup via ARI and also Titanium backup installed but I'd really like to not have to re-install all the apps/set up the homescreen (she's on stock) and stuff. I know on my OG droid that when I installed CM7 I had to do a wipe for it to even get past the boot screen but I figure with this being a stock update maybe it's different...
If not is there some way that I can install an update while keeping the root/system data?
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No. If you run the OTA, you WILL lose root. Not to mention I don't have a lot of faith in any device OTA updates. Prior experience, and hanging around various forums, well, you can read the horror stories.
I would advise, if you want to upgrade her OS and get rid of the "pesky" update notifications, is to flash one of the Stock rooted roms available. Or maybe a stripped down version of a Stock rom.
Search the developer section for a rooted version of the stock OTA, there are several in there. Install it via recovery, you only need to wipe dalvik and cache before the install. All of her data and programs will still be there. It will upgrade just fine. Remember wipe Dalvik and cache but do not wipe data and everything will be fine.
get and flash one of the honeylicious rom from the dev area .. good rom very basic apps.. but has a update to get the acer apps back.. and bunch of other cool mods.. the dev is also . kinda trustworthy..
Giggles.. ok he is kewl for a guy yukeeee guys smell..
good luck .. read read read read before you flash anything and of course back up and back up your backups .. then back them up again
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Search the developer section for a rooted version of the stock OTA, there are several in there. Install it via recovery, you only need to wipe dalvik and cache before the install. All of her data and programs will still be there. It will upgrade just fine. Remember wipe Dalvik and cache but do not wipe data and everything will be fine.
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Well... if the person was going to do an update to the exact same rom (different version) I would say ok.
But... if you are going to go to a totally different Rom, you NEED to wipe User Data.
Or, does anybody want to tell me you never have to?
3 Wipes. Mandatory when switching between roms, unless you are a dev and know exactly what you are doing.
Or.... you can forget about the safe side of things, and just flash away, and hope luck is with you.
The Market, SHOULD, allow you to re-download apps based on the market version you previously used. If not, it's a good time to clean house of the useless apps.
Moscow Desire said:
No. If you run the OTA, you WILL lose root. Not to mention I don't have a lot of faith in any device OTA updates. Prior experience, and hanging around various forums, well, you can read the horror stories.
I would advise, if you want to upgrade her OS and get rid of the "pesky" update notifications, is to flash one of the Stock rooted roms available. Or maybe a stripped down version of a Stock rom.
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I wasn't talking about an OTA, I was talking about the stock 'rom' updates via recovery. I've had experiences with phones that have been rooted and accidentally updated via OTA, it's not fun. My phone was actually put into something I like to refer to as the Root limbo lol, bricked it for a small period of time - that was fun fixing it. I didn't have a nandroid at the time so I had to start from scratch...
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Search the developer section for a rooted version of the stock OTA, there are several in there. Install it via recovery, you only need to wipe dalvik and cache before the install. All of her data and programs will still be there. It will upgrade just fine. Remember wipe Dalvik and cache but do not wipe data and everything will be fine.
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So if I find a rooted version of stock OTA I can install it and only wipe Dalvik? I won't get stuck in a bootloop if I don't wipe data?
AliceInUnderland said:
So if I find a rooted version of stock OTA I can install it and only wipe Dalvik? I won't get stuck in a bootloop if I don't wipe data?
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If you stick with a stock pre-rooted ROM, you won't get stuck in a bootloop like you do some phones. You're just doing an upgrade.
But like doing an upgrade to any other OS without formatting first, you're writing good data over bad, so your mileage may vary.
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erica_renee said:
get and flash one of the honeylicious rom from the dev area .. good rom very basic apps.. but has a update to get the acer apps back.. and bunch of other cool mods.. the dev is also . kinda trustworthy..
Giggles.. ok he is kewl for a guy yukeeee guys smell..
good luck .. read read read read before you flash anything and of course back up and back up your backups .. then back them up again
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Hey I resemble....or is it resent that remark! lol
kjy2010 said:
If you stick with a stock pre-rooted ROM, you won't get stuck in a bootloop like you do some phones. You're just doing an upgrade.
But like doing an upgrade to any other OS without formatting first, you're writing good data over bad, so your mileage may vary.
I can't seem to find any pre-rooted stock Roms on the Developers forum. Links? I know I'm probably being a pain in the ass but I really don't want to get something by mistake and start with scratch on my mom's tablet - if it were mine I wouldn't care. lol
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The link in the post above yours in this thread. Is a link to the rom scroll up one post
Giggles
AliceInUnderland said:
kjy2010 said:
If you stick with a stock pre-rooted ROM, you won't get stuck in a bootloop like you do some phones. You're just doing an upgrade.
But like doing an upgrade to any other OS without formatting first, you're writing good data over bad, so your mileage may vary.
I can't seem to find any pre-rooted stock Roms on the Developers forum. Links? I know I'm probably being a pain in the ass but I really don't want to get something by mistake and start with scratch on my mom's tablet - if it were mine I wouldn't care. lol
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1290318
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kjy2010 said:
AliceInUnderland said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1290318
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Oh my god you rock, thanks so much!
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kjy2010 said:
Oh my god you rock, thanks so much!
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Yw
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kjy2010 said:
AliceInUnderland said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1290318
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Okay, this sent her into a bootloop so I had to nandroid. I wiped dalvik cache before installing this. Put it in the root of my SD card and installed via CWM in recovery. what am I doing wrong?
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kjy2010 said:
Okay, this sent her into a bootloop so I had to nandroid. I wiped dalvik cache before installing this. Put it in the root of my SD card and installed via CWM in recovery. what am I doing wrong?
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I've never heard of the A500 going into a bootloop simply from flashing one rooted stock ROM to another, but then again most people do all the necessary wipes when they do. Did you wipe dalvik and battery stats? That's about as minimal as you're going to get. If that doesn't work, you'll just have to flash the proper way. Instructions here complete with a video tutorial on how to flash by yours truly:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1390860
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kjy2010 said:
AliceInUnderland said:
I've never heard of the A500 going into a bootloop simply from flashing one rooted stock ROM to another, but then again most people do all the necessary wipes when they do. Did you wipe dalvik and battery stats? That's about as minimal as you're going to get. If that doesn't work, you'll just have to flash the proper way. Instructions here complete with a video tutorial on how to flash by yours truly:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1390860
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Nevermind, I fixed it XD I wiped dalvik and battery/partition and it worked fine lol.
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AliceInUnderland said:
kjy2010 said:
Nevermind, I fixed it XD I wiped dalvik and battery/partition and it worked fine lol.
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Uh huh....you're welcome!
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Hi,
Anyone else having the following issues with ICS (stock, rooted):
Locked screen, using power button doesn't work
Reboot and stuck on Asus Logo?
both resulting in pressing on and power up to restart..
seems like this update isn't fully tested. I haven't done a full wipe, I simply updated through OTA... should I try this? If I do, can I do an ADB backup and restore?
Thanks folks
garpunkal said:
Hi,
Anyone else having the following issues with ICS (stock, rooted):
Locked screen, using power button doesn't work
Reboot and stuck on Asus Logo?
both resulting in pressing on and power up to restart..
seems like this update isn't fully tested. I haven't done a full wipe, I simply updated through OTA... should I try this? If I do, can I do an ADB backup and restore?
Thanks folks
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its most likely because you were rooted and did modifications that caused the OTA to fail and mess something up.
The OTA itself was tested by ASUS, its you who did mods to the tablet that made the OTA fail for you. You'll most likely have to wipe and start all over. Or just DL a custom ROM.
zephiK said:
its most likely because you were rooted and did modifications that caused the OTA to fail and mess something up.
The OTA itself was tested by ASUS, its you who did mods to the tablet that made the OTA fail for you. You'll most likely have to wipe and start all over. Or just DL a custom ROM.
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I wiped, totally cleaned the system, installed WW latest full blob then the update, and it occured. Just to note, my only mod was root, nothing else.
garpunkal said:
Hi,
Anyone else having the following issues with ICS (stock, rooted):
Locked screen, using power button doesn't work
Reboot and stuck on Asus Logo?
both resulting in pressing on and power up to restart..
seems like this update isn't fully tested. I haven't done a full wipe, I simply updated through OTA... should I try this? If I do, can I do an ADB backup and restore?
Thanks folks
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WTF? You have errors. You no you didn't wipe.....Always Wipe. Always. ..Always... IF you don't and then get errors. wipe. Seriously....Wipe it. lol did I mention you should have wiped it?
zephiK said:
its most likely because you were rooted and did modifications that caused the OTA to fail and mess something up.
The OTA itself was tested by ASUS, its you who did mods to the tablet that made the OTA fail for you. You'll most likely have to wipe and start all over. Or just DL a custom ROM.
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All I did was root... that shouldn't affect the OTA, especially as the OTA unrooted my device anyway!
I'll wipe now and let you know the outcomes.
fonix232 said:
I wiped, totally cleaned the system, installed WW latest full blob then the update, and it occured. Just to note, my only mod was root, nothing else.
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Why did you do this; installed WW latest full blob then the update
Full wipe and then install the Full ICS WW. Thats all that should be needed.
so if I'm using stock rom and recovery... whats the best way to wipe.. through recovery or just through rom?
garpunkal said:
so if I'm using stock rom and recovery... whats the best way to wipe.. through recovery or just through rom?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1514658
OPTION B:
FULL version
In recovery do a full system reset. Delete that mofo.
Then install the Full US ICS zip.
can I use adb backup to restore all my apps and settings if I go for option B?
garpunkal said:
can I use adb backup to restore all my apps and settings if I go for option B?
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I wouldn't. Atleast not right away. You have an issue. You don't no whats causing it. First Wipe and then reinstall. If after that you can't make the problem appear again, I would do a nandroid, and then attempt the restore of your apps. If no issues; Profit. But if you find issues after you can then restore to the nand and go through your apps one at a time to figure it out.
ok.
I still can't understand why this OTA on stock (rooted but unmodified) has problems.
I shouldn't have to wipe it.
garpunkal said:
ok.
I still can't understand why this OTA on stock (rooted but unmodified) has problems.
I shouldn't have to wipe it.
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I have no real answers for you.
But I would assume its cause ICS updates the framework and countless other stuff that can't just be "updated". You would have thought they would have made the OTA auto Wipe. I would have. I could be completely off tho. Maybe its just broke. Lol
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Why did you do this; installed WW latest full blob then the update
Full wipe and then install the Full ICS WW. Thats all that should be needed.
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- No ICS blob currently available
- This is the exact way everyone (I mean, every home user, without development background, etcetera, the "noobs") did it, who got the errors
So basically I did how officially it's done.
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tweaked said:
I have no real answers for you.
But I would assume its cause ICS updates the framework and countless other stuff that can't just be "updated". You would have thought they would have made the OTA auto Wipe. I would have. I could be completely off tho. Maybe its just broke. Lol
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You're wrong. Asus made it in a way it shouldn't affect the system, yet, in some cases it does.
fonix232 said:
- No ICS blob currently available
- This is the exact way everyone (I mean, every home user, without development background, etcetera, the "noobs") did it, who got the errors
So basically I did how officially it's done.
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You're wrong. Asus made it in a way it shouldn't affect the system, yet, in some cases it does.
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Well I said I could be wrong.
I wouldn't have done it that way.
On other Devices I have if you mess with the framework you have to full wipe. You can't just update. But, really what do I know. Im just a retard truely.
tweaked said:
I have no real answers for you.
But I would assume its cause ICS updates the framework and countless other stuff that can't just be "updated". You would have thought they would have made the OTA auto Wipe. I would have. I could be completely off tho. Maybe its just broke. Lol
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I bet people (non tech saavy) would throw a fit if the update did a full wipe, even if it had a warning beforehand.
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I bet people (non tech saavy) would throw a fit if the update did a full wipe, even if it had a warning beforehand.
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But I bet they would have still updated.
I swear Asus should fix these problems and they are more OTA updates issues and not the fact I didn't wipe.
Other people must be having these problems?!!?
garpunkal said:
I swear Asus should fix these problems and they are more OTA updates issues and not the fact I didn't wipe.
Other people must be having these problems?!!?
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I had no real issues with ICS when I was running it. I just preffered OC and UV.
Once a kustom kernel is available I'll switch for good.
That said, there are a few threads with issues. Give a look through the first 4 pages for so.....
just reading a few of the other forums threads and loads of people are having these issues...
confused why it's not been fully tested...
garpunkal said:
just reading a few of the other forums threads and loads of people are having these issues...
confused why it's not been fully tested...
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lol, you'd have to contact ASUS for that question and then you'd get some engrish answer about highly tested awesome upgrade.
If I somehow brick my custom ROM and need to back up to a previous state, will this security app cause problems and not allow me to fix my phone?
Just wondering! Thanks.
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If I somehow brick my custom ROM and need to back up to a previous state, will this security app cause problems and not allow me to fix my phone?
Just wondering! Thanks.
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I always used that,and never had a problem flashing roms (didnt turn it off before flashing)
i think it only stops say if you lost your phone, and somebody found it, and they did the hard reset option in storage (factory reset)
doesnt think it stops it at all at the custom recovery/ODIN level
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I always used that,and never had a problem flashing roms (didnt turn it off before flashing)
i think it only stops say if you lost your phone, and somebody found it, and they did the hard reset option in storage (factory reset)
doesnt think it stops it at all at the custom recovery/ODIN level
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Ah, that makes me feel a lot better. Thanks man.
But does that mean they could instead flash a backup or something onto the phone to bypass that "hard" reset?
PercMastaFTW said:
Ah, that makes me feel a lot better. Thanks man.
But does that mean they could instead flash a backup or something onto the phone to bypass that "hard" reset?
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yes, if a computer geek finds it you're done
but with sprint you can have them blacklist the EMEI
on GSM they could still use your phone
I've read that some people like to install twrp, root, etc. and then re lock the bootloader. Is there any benefits to doing that? And is there a way to unlock/lock without wiping every time you unlock again?
It's better to relock it as if your phone is lost or stolen unlocking it ends up wiping the phone. Your data is safer.
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It's better to relock it as if your phone is lost or stolen unlocking it ends up wiping the phone. Your data is safer.
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Can you still flash roms with the bootloader locked?
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Can you still flash roms with the bootloader locked?
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No, you can't if bootloader is locked, first thing is to unlock the bootloader.
yangqi said:
No, you can't if bootloader is locked, first thing is to unlock the bootloader.
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which wipes your data.
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which wipes your data.
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Which kind of forces you into a clean wipe each time you flash. Like you should.
Besides, with Nandroid + titanium backups = not a big deal. You can always go back to where you were before flash or restore apps after.
Is there even a working TWRP for the N6P yet?!
With these new bootloaders, on a locked status, can you temp boot into an external recovery?
Re-locking your bootloader can be risky. If you're on a custom rom and rooted, if something goes wrong, and you can't boot into Android, you could be stuck in a loop and have to either re-flash the rom in recovery (hopefully custom recovery) or wipe and re-flash stock via fastboot. Alternatively, you could experience the same issues using a custom kernel on stock for root. Basically, with the new verity checks and security framework, at this point with the phone being so new, you're better off sticking with it locked or unlocked and keeping it that way for optimal use.
TWRP should add a password function.
It won't unlock features until you enter a password. This protects the phone even with an unlocked bootloader.
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Re-locking your bootloader can be risky. If you're on a custom rom and rooted, if something goes wrong, and you can't boot into Android, you could be stuck in a loop and have to either re-flash the rom in recovery (hopefully custom recovery) or wipe and re-flash stock via fastboot. Alternatively, you could experience the same issues using a custom kernel on stock for root. Basically, with the new verity checks and security framework, at this point with the phone being so new, you're better off sticking with it locked or unlocked and keeping it that way for optimal use.
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I hadn't thought it of it that way! Good point, and thanks for the advice!
Elnrik said:
Which kind of forces you into a clean wipe each time you flash. Like you should.
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I agree that clean wipes are the way to go, but it wipes everything including pictures, media, anything you might want to flash. You have to move everything to a pc, and then move it back which can be a hassle.
yangqi said:
No, you can't if bootloader is locked, first thing is to unlock the bootloader.
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What I meant is, if I unlock the bootloader and install twrp, can I re lock the bootloader and have twrp continue to work and be able to wipe, flash, etc.
tech_head said:
TWRP should add a password function.
It won't unlock features until you enter a password. This protects the phone even with an unlocked bootloader.
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This times a million!!
tech_head said:
TWRP should add a password function.
It won't unlock features until you enter a password. This protects the phone even with an unlocked bootloader.
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This won't effectively do anything. TWRP is just the recovery component. As long as your bootloader is unlocked, a thief can just boot into the bootloader and overwrite your recovery with his own (a new TWRP without a password, CWM, stock, etc).
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This won't effectively do anything. TWRP is just the recovery component. As long as your bootloader is unlocked, a thief can just boot into the bootloader and overwrite your recovery with his own (a new TWRP without a password, CWM, stock, etc).
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When did the average pickpocketer, street mugger or armed robber become an expert Android developer? Chances are, the thug who steals your phone never heard of XDA anyways
I say keep your bootloader unlocked and stop overestimating **** Dastardly's IQ :silly:
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When did the average pickpocketer, street mugger or armed robber become an expert Android developer?
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Never. I was just pointing out the flaw in the belief that putting a password on TWRP will somehow stop a determined thief from accessing your data.
Elnrik said:
Which kind of forces you into a clean wipe each time you flash. Like you should.
Besides, with Nandroid + titanium backups = not a big deal. You can always go back to where you were before flash or restore apps after.
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Your Nandroid would get wiped also, though.
Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
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Your Nandroid would get wiped also, though.
Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
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Nope. Why would someone store backups on the device they are backing up? That's just crazy talk. :silly:
http://amzn.com/B00Q4U7LIO
Of course, I'm going to have to get something like this to replace it. Hopefully something comes along which will fit on my key ring.
Edit: Or This or That.
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Nope. Why would someone store backups on the device they are backing up? That's just crazy talk. :silly:
http://amzn.com/B00Q4U7LIO
Of course, I'm going to have to get something like this to replace it. Hopefully something comes along which will fit on my key ring.
Edit: Or This or That.
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Or this may be mo betta.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/accessories/mini-microsd-reader-redux-type-c-t3235374
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Or this may be mo betta.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/accessories/mini-microsd-reader-redux-type-c-t3235374
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Looks interesting. Might have to just do this though. http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=115950
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Looks interesting. Might have to just do this though. http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=115950
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Nah, Kickstarter one looks better and only $11 bucks. Plugs have lots of faster cards lying around.
tech_head said:
TWRP should add a password function.
It won't unlock features until you enter a password. This protects the phone even with an unlocked bootloader.
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I also would like it, but here it says why they don't want to add this function: https://twrp.me/faq/securetwrp.html.
There are a trwp skin that adds a simple password protection. but I have never proved it.
Is it Possible to have root and encryption at the same time on the Galaxy Tab A (SM-P580) If not is there a way to go back to stock. Also will I be able to root again if I update to stock 7.0. I would really Like to keep encryption if at all possible. I am already rooted with twrp.
Skizzlo said:
Is it Possible to have root and encryption at the same time on the Galaxy Tab A (SM-P580) If not is there a way to go back to stock. Also will I be able to root again if I update to stock 7.0. I would really Like to keep encryption if at all possible. I am already rooted with twrp.
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Yes but not advised.
So then it is best to stay where I am then with a custom rom. Was hoping to to get encryption back. Also is it not advise since of possible brick?
Skizzlo said:
So then it is best to stay where I am then with a custom rom. Was hoping to to get encryption back. Also is it not advise since of possible brick?
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If you encrypt you have no way of backing up and restoring your data. The one thing that most value.
If you do somehow end up in a no boot situation you'll have no backup to restore and will have to start afresh.
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If you encrypt you have no way of backing up and restoring your data. The one thing that most value.
If you do somehow end up in a no boot situation you'll have no backup to restore and will have to start afresh.
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Ah ok. I see. I usually have a back up of all my important stuff backed up on my PC and starting over isn't a big deal. I just like to have root and encryption at the same time. Starting the whole process over doesn't bother me. After a few times ya get use to the process. That is all I am looking for, root and encryption.