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is there any differnt between them at perfomance when using class 4
or i should wait for cooked android rom ? is it coming?
Rumours are that a ROM might be available mid sept.
I would say dive in and try it now
With the latest builds such as mattc v1.5, class 4 sd should be enough to get a decent taste of what android has to offer.
Im running it on a 'dubious' class 6 card which performs like a decent class 4 card, and I'm LOVING the android experience so far.... much more than I had expected.
Try it, you wont be dissapointed
^^^^^ completely agree with thesweeney
how can u any one know the difference where there is no rom out ....this is stupid and getting worse in the hd2 android threads
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how can u any one know the difference where there is no rom out ....this is stupid and getting worse in the hd2 android threads
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Umm, no one in this thread has stated that there is a difference between a ROM or running off the SD card. It was just a general agreement on the fact that you should load up Android now to get a taste of how it runs on the HD2 due to how far superior it is over WM. If that statement was just a generalization of the whole Android section of the forum, that has nothing to do with this thread and you are taking it off topic.
But anyways... I agree with the first two replies to you Proz00. Ever since I put Android on my phone, I have never looked back.
I am running a class 6 right now and it is wayyyy faster than the MyTouch 3G that I have. As long as you have a decent class 4, I doubt you will notice a difference. For me, it runs just as fast as WM, if not faster, and apps like linpack, neocore, and quadrant backup all my statements.
Right now I am running the froyostone clean build and I'm hitting about 27 mflops on linpack. My quadrant results just come right under the performance of a Nexus One running 2.2
So basically what I'm trying to say is, it's definitely worth giving Android a chance right now. The worst that can happen is you don't like it, and all you have to do is restart the phone and you're back to WinMo
Hope this helps.
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Umm, no one in this thread has stated that there is a difference between a ROM or running off the SD card. It was just a general agreement on the fact that you should load up Android now to get a taste of how it runs on the HD2 due to how far superior it is over WM. If that statement was just a generalization of the whole Android section of the forum, that has nothing to do with this thread and you are taking it off topic.
But anyways... I agree with the first two replies to you Proz00. Ever since I put Android on my phone, I have never looked back.
I am running a class 6 right now and it is wayyyy faster than the MyTouch 3G that I have. As long as you have a decent class 4, I doubt you will notice a difference. For me, it runs just as fast as WM, if not faster, and apps like linpack, neocore, and quadrant backup all my statements.
Right now I am running the froyostone clean build and I'm hitting about 27 mflops on linpack. My quadrant results just come right under the performance of a Nexus One running 2.2
So basically what I'm trying to say is, it's definitely worth giving Android a chance right now. The worst that can happen is you don't like it, and all you have to do is restart the phone and you're back to WinMo
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i didnt say any one did say that what i am saying is why create another thread asking which is better when one isnt out yet
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i didnt say any one did say that what i am saying is why create another thread asking which is better when one isnt out yet
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I sort of see what you mean... i think.
The OP's question was a little misleading perhaps....
The first line suggests that they think an Android ROM for HD2 is available.
But the second line of the question makes it clear (IMHO) that they KNOW there is no flashable ROM available YET.
Therefore the way I read the question is like this....
'When the first Android roms for NAND are released, will they be MUCH faster than the current SD builds? and is it best to just wait for that flashable rom rather than use a 'slow' SD version'?.
Well thats the way I read it, in which case you were unnecessarily flaming the OP?
I dunno.
either way... Proz00... just install it!
Basically he was asking if there was a a big difference with the rom and the speeds for the sd card.
Not an installable rom.
My question is why we have a Q&A thread and questions like these dont get posted there.
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Basically he was asking if there was a a big difference with the rom and the speeds for the sd card.
Not an installable rom.
My question is why we have a Q&A thread and questions like these dont get posted there.
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thank you that was taken right off my lips
im wondered
i tested copying file from ROM to sd and it did around 1.6MB/s
[sd was class 2 2-2.5MB/s Bus capped to ~5MB/s]
so ROM is the bottle nech
so i asked my self if the ROM is not that fast why bother waiting for it
that all
but what about iops
Have you played with any Android based phones. Check out a Samsung galaxy s or a Droid x. Both cutting edge cpu's. The snapdragon is a little dated.
sent from my hd2.
I have to say, I really don't see what all the hoopla is about.
What does NAND give us that we don't get already?
With SD-based roms, we can change, update, switch, multiboot, and mess around with everything we want without danger to our device. If anything goes wrong, just reboot and be done with it.
With NAND, we run the risk of completely destroying our device (I have been assured that's not the case), not to mention the hassle of updating and changing roms which in itself is a process that can brick the device - (again, I was assured this can not happen).
And with RAM builds, speed and boot isn't an issue anymore.
So what exactly is the big deal?
Please feel free to prove me wrong and provide some 'pros'/'yays' for NAND Android on HD2. The more we know.....
edit: In the meantime, I couldn't resist the temptation and tried out NAND. I take back everything I say, except the 'hassle' part. It's still a lot easier to change around and configure builds with SD based builds.
I don't have my HD2 yet, so it's kinda stupid to comment, but from what I heard RAM builds are not great for gaming.
I too am curious about this. I was about to flash the NAND Desire HD rom, but then thought about how rarely I need to reset my device (and thus wait for the boot-up, which isn't very long to begin with). The rom I'm using is JDMS 1.6.2, and, while I'd really like a RAM version, the thing runs really fast. And yeah, why not keep WM around, just in case it has something worthwhile to boot up with (doubtful... but one never knows). It is nice to just throw on another build and test it out, remove it if I don't like it.
Maybe someone has a good reason to flash the NAND roms... I guess, if JDMS came as one, I'd really like that.
I do, however, appreciate all the work the developers have put into this!
try it man! you will be amazed! Nand version blow every other build! stable fast !
can't give an unbiased view since ive no intention of trying a nand build/ rom.
main reasons:
i still like the option of having 2 OS's (if that's a word?), tho i haven't used winmo for some time i still want the option.
like being able to switch SD builds quickly
like being able to choose what size data img and not have to think about running out of space.
got to say tho... think it's a hugely impressive achievement what DFT have done.
interesting post, i was also thinking whats all the fuss about, but i know for some winmo is dead & buried.
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try it man! you will be amazed! Nand version blow every other build! stable fast !
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You'll see the difference.
NAND is amazing, i used to get serious lag when apps are installing/uninstalling.....it took care of that and market download speeds are flying
of course boot time is only seconds. i have tried sd and i have tried NAND.
NAND is better
I flashed nand because I wanted to get rid of WM. Booting Android form the sd card made everything feel unoffical and I hated it. It's strange I know. But Why not flash Android?
Windows mobile is Lame, boring and laggy at most no matter what, specially with the weather in the background, not to mention the lame/limited UN-icandy cheezy app store. Android is pure Icandy with tons and tons of apps/tools with stability and profromance.
What can Windows Mobile do that Android can't?
I would choose WP7 over WM 6.5 and Android over all.
Android Dominates.
Battery Life is also awesome, and download speeds are actually very fast. It's like having an actual Android phone.
also i must say i am disappointed to see a thread like this, on such a day in hd2 history. after dft and the devs have put in 3 plus month of work! this is not the type of threads that should be started....SMH
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also i must say i am disappointed to see a thread like this, on such a day in hd2 history. after dft and the devs have put in 3 plus month of work! this is not the type of threads that should be started....SMH
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Well, I agree that it's an amazing feat, but I don't think it's wrong to have the question posed anyway. Wasn't it DFT that got android working on the HD2 in the first place? So we're not really downplaying all their hard work, just wondering what's better about it.
There's just something cool about being able to tell someone, "Well, I can boot into WM, android, and linux... can your phone do that?" Our phones would seemingly be less unique. Well, whatever, I only use android anyway, so I should just take the plunge.
EDIT: Sorry, I realize that there are a lot of other developers that have gone into making android work. I just can't think of specifics
Pro:
- It's fast and stable. Little perks like slow market download speeds and slow wake-up time right after locking have been solved (although some SD builds had these fixed recently too)
- SD cards are now swappable and mountable (without corruption). I like this since I had a 2GB card laying around which I'd use just to store CoPilot maps on. With Android on SD, that wasn't possible.
- Uniformity across all devices (well, almost). No more different setups for everyone, which didn't exactly easen the process of debugging and smoothing things up. Also no more problems due to SD cards.
- Battery life? Haven't really checked this myself yet.
Cons:
- Not having WinMo. Nothing I care about, I tried WinMO for about 2 days, didn't like it (as I expected) and immediately switched to Android.
- A bit harder to switch builds, but still nothing too hard or time staking. Future easier solutions may appear too.
Overall, I'm very happy with this development. It doesn't bring any shocking innovations in se, but lays the (necessary) path for an even more complete HD2 android experience.
I have installed it and believe me I am really glad I got rid of WM! It's flying and not a single glitch or error so far, I will never go back to WM! And I never had SD android b4 so I can say installation was a breeze. Cheers and grats DFT!
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Yup I'm happy to hear DFT have released Nand but I still stick to RAM build as I can still switch to WinMo & Ubuntu build. It's amazing how things really work with our mighty HD2.
Nothing wrong about Nand build at least HD2 users can choose to use Nand or SD/RAM build.
can you get 2mah from running android on sd card? i dont think so..
Personally I think I'll be keeping android on my SD card for now, because I have peace of mind knowing that I can run WM6.5 (god forbid) if my android build messes up (which I have to say is getting rare, so I might consider NAND in the not-too-distant future)
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The pros for me are that NAND is faster for me in all three builds for their categories, and battery consumption is low.
The cons however, if you're like me and install a good amount of apps say 20 or so, 100mb or so isn't really going to cut it. And for some reason i can't get superuser working, i keep trying to update it but it says it's up to date already, which it clearly is not, and it keeps force closing itself with every app it is required for.
i like the nand personally and i think it very innovative and if u read carefully and take ur time to understand u cant go wrong with the installation i am trying it right now it great and if i need to take my phone back just flash the orginal wm rom got to luv it for those who want to keep dual boot i respect that but u should give nand a shot
I saw it before but am apperantly oblivious to it now; can someone link me to NAND installation instructions? Would be grateful.
I currently have absolutely no liking of WM, so IMO dropping it has been needed for awhile now. The only benefit I've seen is netflix (lol?) and even that should be up for grabs off the android market soon enough. I want speed and battery, and from the sound of it, NAND is taking care of business.
@Truaim - regarding link to NAND install intructions
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=893948
Okay so I had the HD2 at launch and quickly traded it after two months for a nexus and I am now using the Vibrant I love android have since my G1 I loved the size potential that the HD2 but couldn't look past winmo so I got rid of the phone my question is do the NAND ROMS run good enough to where I could consider switching out my vibrant for it??? While I love my vibrant there are a few things about it that I would change (like the fact it is made by samsung) please fill me in and let me know if it would be a good idea to make the switch
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So far the only issue I have with my nandroid is small internal storage space. I run out relatively quickly. Otherwise it seems great. Even with the storage issue its way better than winmo. I guess you should try it for yourself. Another question is the battery. The only observation so far is that its better than it was with winmo out of the box.
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I am running MDJ Gingerbread NAND and in settings-internal storage it reads over 800mb. I read other people complaining about internal storage but my phone doesnt seem to have this issue.
Other than that I have ZERO issues with the build on my phone (well except GPS, but that should be fixed soon) It is very speedy and has never locked up at all.
Highly recommended. Sell your Vibrant and make some cash
If you get the Tmous hd2, u'll be fine. That's the one u must have, OGmackPLRcool.
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I am running MDJ Gingerbread NAND and in settings-internal storage it reads over 800mb. I read other people complaining about internal storage but my phone doesnt seem to have this issue.
Other than that I have ZERO issues with the build on my phone (well except GPS, but that should be fixed soon) It is very speedy and has never locked up at all.
Highly recommended. Sell your Vibrant and make some cash
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Dude seriously ><
The US-Tmob HD2 has 1Gb mem and the euro has 512 so thats why yours has 800mb free.
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Another question is the battery. The only observation so far is that its better than it was with winmo out of the box.
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Speaking of battery life in terms of hours how many are you getting off of heavy use? My vibrant can usually get me about 10 good hours before going into the red and yelling at me for a charge im currently running Nero v2 rom with destroyer of worlds kernel clocked @ 1.3ghz (my quadrant score is retarded fast) what is the current max oc speed foe the hd2 of there are any and are there any gibgerbread ROMS or clones?
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If your running a sd build and not nand you can overclock to 1.5. In battery I could get 50hrs with very light use and still have 10% left. That's on the regular battery too, not the extended one. With jdms build.
It depends on kernel for example with last kernel from m-deejay I can run up to 1.5 GHz on NAND.
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max speed is 1530mhz wit setcpu app on mdeejays desire hd build and its veeeery fast... i can run more than 15 hrs with speed clocked,now testing it wit setcpu turned off-26h and have 51% battery left,but its moderate usage (15-20 calls,some 10-15 messages and mail check here and there)
battery seems to be even better than winmo on it by the way,i have tmous hd2
Now that Nand is here I don't think I'll get rid of my HD2 for a long time. The way I see it, the builds will keep getting better and better. If I had an Android device I'm not sure I would get an HD2 tho but I can say if I got rid of this I'd miss it cause of the ability to switch builds so easily. One day I can have a Sense build, an HD Sense build, the MyTouch 4G build or plain Froyo (and now Gingerbread). Thats one thing I don't want to lose lol.
I got to say tho, my wife has a MyTouch 3G and I better data on mine and just tethered our laptop to watch an hour of Robot Chicken so its pretty much now an Android device lol.
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mdj gingerbread works almost perfect for me. well, usb storage still not working, but that's going to be fixed i guess. battery is fine, 3mA while in standby and 150-300 when active. no lags at all, no wake up lag,data works fine
no need to buy a new phone for the next years, seriously
I'm in the same boat, I'm suppose to be trading my Samsung vibrant for an hd2 tomorrow, but I wasn't to sure if the nand builds could be as good as a regular android phone, but as someone said, I like the idea of switching builds so easily, and builds can only get better, while Samsung hasn't even release Froyo yet, so I doubt this phone will get Gingerbread, while the hd2 has it already.
Yes I know I can flash a custom rom, but It's just the fact that it isn't officially out yet.
Something i'm worrying about though is that I backed up all my apps via Titaniumbackup, and since it has low internal Storage with the Nand builds, I don't think I will be able to retrieve all my apps, which would be a huge bummer.
As smooth as it is, I have trouble believing that even my NAND HD2 would be as fast as a GalaxyS device with the filesystem fix.
But it's a lot cooler and has a better community.
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I'm in the same boat, I'm suppose to be trading my Samsung vibrant for an hd2 tomorrow, but I wasn't to sure if the nand builds could be as good as a regular android phone, but as someone said, I like the idea of switching builds so easily, and builds can only get better, while Samsung hasn't even release Froyo yet, so I doubt this phone will get Gingerbread, while the hd2 has it already.
Yes I know I can flash a custom rom, but It's just the fact that it isn't officially out yet.
Something i'm worrying about though is that I backed up all my apps via Titaniumbackup, and since it has low internal Storage with the Nand builds, I don't think I will be able to retrieve all my apps, which would be a huge bummer.
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You don't want to flash a custom Rom to your vibrant because its not official, but you're ok doing it with the hd2? You realize none of the hd2 Android builds are official, right?
I have nand Android on my hd2 right now, and It's definitely not as fast as a teamed galaxy s series phone, and battery isn't as good. Unless you're gonna make some extra money, or you want the hd2 for winmo or wp7 when its released, I wouldn't trade your vibrant or galaxy s for it. A native android phone will probably always be able to run Android better once they're properly teamed... and will definitely have better battery life.
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You don't want to flash a custom Rom to your vibrant because its not official, but you're ok doing it with the hd2? You realize none of the hd2 Android builds are official, right?
I have nand Android on my hd2 right now, and It's definitely not as fast as a teamed galaxy s series phone, and battery isn't as good. Unless you're gonna make some extra money, or you want the hd2 for winmo or wp7 when its released, I wouldn't trade your vibrant or galaxy s for it. A native android phone will probably always be able to run Android better once they're properly teamed... and will definitely have better battery life.
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Lol dude no way, I wouldn't have a vibrant, and wait for something official, that's crazy! Check my sig lol I'm rooted, oc, and changed my file system.
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I'm running the CM6.1 from NAND on my HD2 and it runs snappy and fast as hell, it's very stable with NO issues, and I can finally get power management like a native Android device. Not only this, but I have a global UC to 600mhz to get even better battery and am experiencing very minimal lags, so I would just hang on to this set-up over a Vibrant any day because for me it runs just as well with more ROMs, soon ability to run Android and WM6.5.5 from SD, and WP7 as well,
To me it's a no brainer HD2 > any other phone on the market.
Especially because I have 1GB ROM so I'm sure soon I will be able to run CM and WP7 from NAND on different partitions with no problems, just boot into MAGLDR and tell it which OS to boot, then launch NRG ROM from SD if I want that WM6.5.5 experience
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I'm running the CM6.1 from NAND on my HD2 and it runs snappy and fast as hell, it's very stable with NO issues, and I can finally get power management like a native Android device. Not only this, but I have a global UC to 600mhz to get even better battery and am experiencing very minimal lags, so I would just hang on to this set-up over a Vibrant any day because for me it runs just as well with more ROMs, soon ability to run Android and WM6.5.5 from SD, and WP7 as well,
To me it's a no brainer HD2 > any other phone on the market.
Especially because I have 1GB ROM so I'm sure soon I will be able to run CM and WP7 from NAND on different partitions with no problems, just boot into MAGLDR and tell it which OS to boot, then launch NRG ROM from SD if I want that WM6.5.5 experience
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Where do you hear that it's going to be possible to boot winmo from sd card? If that's true, it would be great, but unless you heard it directly from cotulla, I doubt that it's gonna happen. I hope it does, though, because not having winmo and the ability to boot multiple os's is what's gonna keep me from using magldr permanantly. I'm playing around with nand android right now, but in its current state, it takes away what makes the hd2 special to me and makes it just another android device.
come to think about it, I'm not sure where I got that from, but even if it's not possible, booting WP7, Android, and WM6.5 from MAGLDR will be possible, we'll just have to figure out the right configuration, having 1GB ROM helps a lot.
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Dude seriously ><
The US-Tmob HD2 has 1Gb mem and the euro has 512 so thats why yours has 800mb free.
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Well seeing as I dont live in Europe Im not sure how I was supposed to know there is a difference.
Thanks for the info. I thought thats what forums were for. Seriously ><
As for battery life I will get a full day easily with normal use. If I was conservative probably 2 days.
Sell the Vibrant and HD2 it up!!
I have had Android 2.2.1 with gingerbread bits on my HD2 since 12-31-10 when that $hit launched and I must say it is quick and stable as hell!! I have only had one issue with my data connection but I created a new apn and have had zero problems with it! I was using a Mytouch slide and I will use this HD2 until it is ran into the ground and then go get another one and do it all over again! The HD2 is the best phone in my opinion because of all the shista you can do with it! Get that 6.5 wm crap off of it and you are set!
now it is one week since magldr was released, thanks to DFT.
it was like the end of the year gift to us, we were very happy (and we still happy) because it really bring our HD2 to life again, one day before the release of MAGLDR i was thinking of replacing it with Desire because and that because SD/RAM builds was not stable and even if it is stable it will not last more than one month before start giving FCs etc...
i opened this thread (i hope it is in the correct section, and if it is not i am sorry about that MODs will move it) to share our opinions about nand roms, is it stable as we were expect, are you happy with it or not, if no please let us know why.
for me i am very happy with it till now, it is stable, fast and reliable, and we dont need to boot into 2 os every time we are restarting the phone, and i think HD2 Became an android phone.
I think it's incredible what DFT were able to accomplish. After NAND hit, I sent Cotulla a donation, and have been trying to figure out who else to donate to for their hard work.
As far as NAND, I haven't noticed a major difference in the quality of the builds (SD vs NAND). I think it's probably there, but I'm not technically knowledgeable to notice the difference. I hear some people say the battery life is better, but I still end up plugging my phone in every night to recharge it anyway. The one nice thing the SD builds had was that it was very simple to compare builds in case there were problems with one. I could have one build stored away in a folder called 'Android2' while I dinked around with another build to test things out. It's not a huge deal (and I could probably get Titanium Restore... er, whatever it's called, backup?), but it was simpler to just move around folders.
Anyway, WM sucked so bad, I'm very much happy to rid my phone of it. I'm thankful to all of the developers who made my phone MUCH better than it originally came as (this includes WM ROM developers obviously).
Oh... and I think this thread should've gone into the 'HD2 Android General Discussion' section.
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Oh... and I think this thread should've gone into the 'HD2 Android General Discussion' section.
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+1 for that.....
Guess MODS have to do some extra work
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Very much agree. For 1, wrong forum. This is development not 'how do you like this new feature'. More, 'how do we make this new feature work'.
Anyway, I love the NAND, and you are right, the SD was alot more convient to test and use new builds. Copy the folder and launch. Cant get easier than that indefinitly.
Although, the SDcard is not made to be read/written that many times. The SDcard itself, AND the SD reader in the phone were not made to be used that much.
The hardware im sure has got ALOT better since the G1 days, but this is exactly how my G1 died. Back in the day we used the SD to swap files, and used the ext3/4 to give the G1 a boost. Needless to say, the phone wouldnt read ANY sd card after like 8 months I think it was. Thats when I had to get a new phone because we had it so you needed the SDcard to flash a new build and w.out it, the phone could never be updated.
So my opinion? The phones come with NAND for a reason. Lets use it . Use MyBackup or Titanium and youll be okay. The flash doesnt take too long, AND its just like a REGULAR ANDROID .
THANKS DEVELOPERS! You saved me $500 and my SDcard slot.
Well, well, well. Happy to leave my comment here 'bout NAND.. This is Dream come true and the best that ever happened to my lovely HD2. With NAND, my HD2 has been on daily use without any single fault or malfunction. It works very well and the battery life is very very very GOOD. I really don't know how to start thankin' DFT and all those who put their efforts, ideas, time, compromise and and and.. THANKSSSSSSSSS. I'm done with testing NAND and now up toooooooo Donate. They deserve it.
I have not noticed any difference with nand, all the same issues still exist, but now its more inconvenient to change builds, mod system files, change kernels, etc.. Battery life is no different compared to SD. Boot time is not shorter compared to dual boot with EBL. From a developing stand point magldr is a milestone, but from a usability/practical point, its underwhelming. I think RAM smokes nand by far and wish more development is put towards RAM. I'm anxiously waiting for DS's nand+ram.
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I have not noticed any difference with nand, all the same issues still exist, but now its more inconvenient to change builds, mod system files, change kernels, etc.. Battery life is no different compared to SD. Boot time is not shorter compared to dual boot with EBL. From a developing stand point magldr is a milestone, but from a usability/practical point, its underwhelming. I think RAM smokes nand by far and wish more development is put towards RAM. I'm anxiously waiting for DS's nand+ram.
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Just nit picking a little, but there will never be a "nand + ram" as you say. The ram build loads the build into ram memory, thereby making it analogous to the rom memory. In nand, the build uses ram in much the same way your normal computer does. Therefore, even if it was possible to do a nand/ram build (anything is possible for darkstone, really), I don't see the benefit because you would have less ram to work with, and rom read/write speed is actually slower than many sd card read/write speeds.
Back to topic! Only time will tell, but i think the best thing about nand is, as another user pointed out earlier, data stability. So tired of having to reload apps after a week or two because the build craps out on me.
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not a dream come true for me, but i am happy to be able to be able to copy files through the usb cable without having to reboot afterwards.
no,
it wasn't what i expected, i tought it would delete hspl.
but it didn't, it's even better like this.
it's amazingly stable.
i'm statified, expect that my data wasn't working yesterday[ppp]
hopefully that won't come along.
but if i have to restart it every night to fix it i'm fine
Im loving MAGLDR and what it has brung to the table but there iw one disappointment in that as far as I can remember it was said by cotulla or somebody else that we would have option of keeping WinMO on NAND and booting Android from SD via MAGLDR instead of via WM.
I kind of liked the idea of having that additional option also.
But its no big loss really and im just happy to have the ability to boot directly into android
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Im loving MAGLDR and what it has brung to the table but there iw one disappointment in that as far as I can remember it was said by cotulla or somebody else that we would have option of keeping WinMO on NAND and booting Android from SD via MAGLDR instead of via WM.
I kind of liked the idea of having that additional option also.
But its no big loss really and im just happy to have the ability to boot directly into android
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That was my biggest disappointment about it, too. But it lists booting wm65 under future developments, so hopefully soon it will have that capability. I'm happy that he released the nand Android part of it for the community.
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My phone has never run this good. Nand is absolutely amazing.
My phone stays unplugged longer and runs better. What isn't to like?
Currently unplugged 13 hours and still at 50% sd builds never came close to that.
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about the only problem with magldr is the usb charging bug (big problem!)
and difficulty with clockwork recovery
hoping both are fixed soon
wm7 seems already future supported and WM 6.5 can rot in hell
magldr made me buy the hd2
I'm satisfied with NAND. SD versions were a ton of fun to test and switch, which I did like crazy....however I've found a NAND flavor that is deathly fast, stable on which everything works (TMOUS) and battery life is better than average.
can i just ask - what would be the point of MAGLDR having a WM 6.5 boot feature if a 6.5 rom boots just fine without magldr? its not like WM will run from SD card..... ?
it would be a pain for WM chefs (me included) to re-tool and create MAGLDR compatible ROMS when our current methods work just fine. Remember, MAGLDR is just a flash away at any rate.....
Yes !!! I got my expectings pleased with nand and all the things are working on mdeejays HD Revolution,and battery is so good-i might say-better than with winmo on it...
Thanx to DFT for MAGLDR and mdeejay for all the goodies with his roms
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can i just ask - what would be the point of MAGLDR having a WM 6.5 boot feature if a 6.5 rom boots just fine without magldr? its not like WM will run from SD card..... ?
it would be a pain for WM chefs (me included) to re-tool and create MAGLDR compatible ROMS when our current methods work just fine. Remember, MAGLDR is just a flash away at any rate.....
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Because with magldr, you can have it boot directly into Android on your SD card without having to go into winmo first.
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In my opnion yes..
VERY satisfied with NAND. No more wake up lag or during call black screen, which was pretty much the trouble I was having with SD and RAM builds.
Thx DFT!
Hi guys,
I appreciate most of the things I'm going to ask have some explanation somewhere already on the forum, but I'm not entirely confident I know my way around well enough to get to where i want with my HD2.
So first off, I have a UK HD2, with HSPL2 and a couple month old WM energy rom flashed. I am running Android Froyo from my SD card, and i find myself using it most of the time. Because of this it seems sensible to get Android on my NAND and stop using WM. However I'm having some problems with my phone and I'm not sure if some may be caused by android.
Firstly the battery is lasting less than a day on a full charge without using any power craving features like wifi, gps or even a constant data connection. My phone is less than a year old, so hopefully HTC will issue me with a replacement [PENDING].
Secondly, when I do want to use the data connection I find I rarely get one where I normally would on WM.
Finally, I regularly get process terminated messages while running android from boot until the inevitable low-battery shutdown. (fairly sure this is purely android)
So, bearing this in mind, I would like to have a newer (preferably Gingerbread) build of android running from my NAND, presumably requiring MAGLDR. Would this APN settings thing, and 'rooting' I've read about recently help with these problems? Also I can't find anything about gingerbread with sense and assume this is because there have been no HTC gingerbread devices yet; is this the case? If so would you recommend Froyo with sense or gingerbread without? (personally I'm not keen on the curved sense home menu at the bottom, but i like the other features of sense)
A final thing to further complicate the situation is that I'd REALLY like to have a play with WP7, and last i read it had been ported and was running without LIVE services (making it practically useless), but then not too long ago a hack to make it pretend to be a HD7 was made allowing this. Is this a proper solution which makes the whole phone like a WP7 device (with the few performance niggles here and there) or is it like a demo or a shell of a phone which isn't really usable? The 'average user' review on the front page was posted before this LIVE hack, so i'm not sure it takes it into account.
So in summary, if I could get some guidance with the best choices in having Android NAND (and possibly WP7 on dual boot) covering what preparation and fixes I will need to apply it would be much appreciated. Possibly a list of tutorials I should follow in order, or even something more customised to my situation. Alternatively, if there is a guide covering all this I haven't found, that would be great!
As far as getting NAND working correctly check out this tutorial
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=893948
And dual booting wp7 and android
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=913815
However if you dual boot wp7 would be the main os and you'll still be booting android from sd and as far as fixes and tweaks most of the time it depends which build your using I find that most of the time what works doesn't always work for others
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Hi guys,
I appreciate most of the things I'm going to ask have some explanation somewhere already on the forum, but I'm not entirely confident I know my way around well enough to get to where i want with my HD2.
So first off, I have a UK HD2, with HSPL2 and a couple month old WM energy rom flashed. I am running Android Froyo from my SD card, and i find myself using it most of the time. Because of this it seems sensible to get Android on my NAND and stop using WM. However I'm having some problems with my phone and I'm not sure if some may be caused by android.
Firstly the battery is lasting less than a day on a full charge without using any power craving features like wifi, gps or even a constant data connection. My phone is less than a year old, so hopefully HTC will issue me with a replacement [PENDING].
Secondly, when I do want to use the data connection I find I rarely get one where I normally would on WM.
Finally, I regularly get process terminated messages while running android from boot until the inevitable low-battery shutdown. (fairly sure this is purely android)
So, bearing this in mind, I would like to have a newer (preferably Gingerbread) build of android running from my NAND, presumably requiring MAGLDR. Would this APN settings thing, and 'rooting' I've read about recently help with these problems? Also I can't find anything about gingerbread with sense and assume this is because there have been no HTC gingerbread devices yet; is this the case? If so would you recommend Froyo with sense or gingerbread without? (personally I'm not keen on the curved sense home menu at the bottom, but i like the other features of sense)
A final thing to further complicate the situation is that I'd REALLY like to have a play with WP7, and last i read it had been ported and was running without LIVE services (making it practically useless), but then not too long ago a hack to make it pretend to be a HD7 was made allowing this. Is this a proper solution which makes the whole phone like a WP7 device (with the few performance niggles here and there) or is it like a demo or a shell of a phone which isn't really usable? The 'average user' review on the front page was posted before this LIVE hack, so i'm not sure it takes it into account.
So in summary, if I could get some guidance with the best choices in having Android NAND (and possibly WP7 on dual boot) covering what preparation and fixes I will need to apply it would be much appreciated. Possibly a list of tutorials I should follow in order, or even something more customised to my situation. Alternatively, if there is a guide covering all this I haven't found, that would be great!
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The battery issue is definitely an Android issue and I would recommend using a Froyo based Android build, which also has less problems with data connections. Unfortunately to say is that you might expect some problems using either Android or WP7 on the HD2, because it's still a WnMO device, although it can handle other OS's as well.
regards, Kuzibri
@SpiderVenom
Thanks for the links
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if you dual boot wp7 would be the main os and you'll still be booting android from sd
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I got the impression this may be the case, which emphasizes my question, is Windows Phone 7 on HD2 good enough to be usable, is it worth it?
@Kuzibri
kuzibri said:
The battery issue is definitely an Android issue and I would recommend using a Froyo based Android build, which also has less problems with data connections.
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Well I'm using Froyo now, and I have all these problems, and I think the battery problem currently exists on both WM and android, so I'm relatively convinced it's the battery.
Nintynuts said:
@SpiderVenom
Thanks for the links
I got the impression this may be the case, which emphasizes my question, is Windows Phone 7 on HD2 good enough to be usable, is it worth it?
@Kuzibri
Well I'm using Froyo now, and I have all these problems, and I think the battery problem currently exists on both WM and android, so I'm relatively convinced it's the battery.
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Well, I'm not really convinced that it's your battery. Check your SD Card and my advice would be: shut down device - remove SD Card - insert in to PC - backup you data to PC - do a slow format with PC - after formatting with PC, reinsert SD Card in device and power up - format SD Card with the device's SD formatting tool (windows - tools - SD Formatting tool). Power off device, remove SD Card and insert into PC and restore your data. Reinsert after that your SD Card in to device and power up again and see what your battery does. Should be much better.
regards, Kuzibri
OK, thanks, I will try it and get back to you, but this isn't the main point of my question, and I don't want the subject veering off on a tangent
Personally I don't think wp7 is worth it right now. The devs are doing great work on it but as of right now as a main OS I think because of the limitations and all the hoops and hurdles you have to go through for it. I'm sticking with NAND personally.
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OK, thanks, I will try it and get back to you, but this isn't the main point of my question, and I don't want the subject veering off on a tangent
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you're right about that, but this can solve most of your battery problems.
Regarding WP7 on HD2: see reaction of SpiderVenom
Regarding Android on the HD2: well the NAND version is much better than the SD card one, but it's and will be a personal choice.
i personaly stick to WinMo 6.5.5 with Artemis ROM on it.
regards, Kuzibri
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you're right about that, but this can solve most of your battery problems.
Regarding WP7 on HD2: see reaction of SpiderVenom
Regarding Android on the HD2: well the NAND version is much better than the SD card one, but it's and will be a personal choice.
i personaly stick to WinMo 6.5.5 with Artemis ROM on it.
regards, Kuzibri
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wp7 on hd2 is as useful as it is on any native wp7 device...actually, even better than any native device, because you can dual boot with a good android build off sd card...i would suggest you first try the sd card gingerbread ram version from mdj and superram froyo from darkstone..to checkout the differences. i personally use mdj desire hd 4.6 on sd card (it cannot be replaced by any non-sense build..tried them all, but had to come back to it)and wp7 on nand...
as for the battery, try the sd card format as described above.
also..try this....confirmed to work...but no one knows why it works.. charge your phone for 8 hrs (even though it says 100%)...then switch off phone...charge for 1hr..then switch on and charge for 1hr..........you will see a gross difference in battery
SpiderVenom said:
Personally I don't think wp7 is worth it right now. The devs are doing great work on it but as of right now as a main OS I think because of the limitations and all the hoops and hurdles you have to go through for it. I'm sticking with NAND personally.
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I agree completely with SpiderVenom.
Right now, you do have some hoop jumping to go through in order to get wp7 working correctly.
I'm also using MDJ's NAND Gingerbread install with zero issues and excellent battery life. It's also nice that all of the purchased android apps are usable on both of my android devices. (I have an Archos 5IT.)
Thanks for all your comments, I'm getting the impression (from SpideVenom and apallohadas) that getting WP7 going is troublesome, I would be interested to hear from people who have already jumped the necessary hoops (pakure?) to see if they think it's worth the effort. I don't mind jumping hoops as long as I only have to do it once (when I install).
pakure said:
try the sd card gingerbread ram version from MDJ and superram froyo from darkstone
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I assume these are 'RAM' builds, and I guess they're somehow better than plain SD versions? Still not sure about the whole Gingerbread w/o Sense vs Froyo with Sense situation. Do others agree with these suggestions?
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also..try this....
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Thanks, I'll try that too
Nintynuts said:
Thanks for all your comments, I'm getting the impression (from SpideVenom and apallohadas) that getting WP7 going is troublesome, I would be interested to hear from people who have already jumped the necessary hoops (pakure?) to see if they think it's worth the effort. I don't mind jumping hoops as long as I only have to do it once (when I install).
I assume these are 'RAM' builds, and I guess they're somehow better than plain SD versions? Still not sure about the whole Gingerbread w/o Sense vs Froyo with Sense situation. Do others agree with these suggestions?
Thanks, I'll try that too
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the ram versions are faster even than nand android
well, you wont get to know, unless you try wp7 for yourself..anyway, you can always fall back to wm6.5/android..its all one flash away.
I have been trying a NAND gingerbread build and it's running a lot better than froyo was off my SD, and the battery drain is reduced too.
However I'm finding android without sense intolerable. So I think I need to switch back to a froyo build (unless anyone knows of a Gingerbread build with sense).
I was wondering what's the best way of switching; Is there any way of keeping applications in tact? If not, is it possible to backup my existing NAND contents to SD card so I can flash it back if need be?
Also, is Android RAM ACTUALLY better/faster than NAND, and would it be worth having a WP7 NAND and Android from SD on RAM?
Finally, can anyone recommend a Froyo Sense RAM build? I find it very difficult to filter through the forum threads picking out the one that's right for me. I found a site which gives VERY brief overviews of the current builds, but it doesn't cover stuff like what's not working etc and not all the associated forum threads do.
isnt it a matter of personal choice...what may suit me the best may not be good for others...so its just keep trying till u figure which one is the best for yourself