http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/08/does-apotheker-need-an-apothecary-why-hp-is-exiting-the-pc-business.ars
Pretty interesting article on how HP is leaving the pc business...
Kinda sucks as I was always thinking WebOS showed promise. They just didn't do enough with it. Almost seems like they didn't even try to make the most of it either. Sucks, but that's what happens. Look at RIM. Take the next step or bow out. My goodness, it just sucks when you see something promising and it just wilts and fades.
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WebOS was dead the moment HP bought Palm.
Anyone could see that.
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WebOS was dead the moment HP bought Palm.
Anyone could see that.
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Agreed. It was probably dead before then, since there was almost no developer support for it. A shame really, I really liked using WebOS for the short time I had a Pre. It just never got paired with the hardware that it deserved.
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WebOS was dead the moment HP bought Palm.
Anyone could see that.
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While maybe forecasted, some had hope. While it was evident that work needed to be put in, some expected there would be. It is a got dayum shame. As well as many, I was personally looking for the WebOS push, more than WP7.
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Agreed. It was probably dead before then, since there was almost no developer support for it. A shame really, I really liked using WebOS for the short time I had a Pre. It just never got paired with the hardware that it deserved.
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It was, but it could have possibly been revived if the right company would have bought Palm.
That didn't happen.
I remember being on the Precentral forums when the HP merger happened.
Everyone was jumping for joy... I and a few other forum members were attacked for not.
The problem in the beginning was hardware.
Then, once hardware never came [and subsequently took over a year to come], hardware was the least of the concerns.
I have more fingers on my hands than the amount of devs that were supporting WebOS when HP bought Palm.
HP didn't increase that number.
Yeah, hardware was only the first issue. In this day and age if you're going to introduce a new software ecosystem it needs to be ready to hit the ground running basically from day one. No one who already has a smartphone has the patience to wait for yet another operating system to catch up to its peers in terms of application availability.
HP never had a real vision for webOS; when I heard that they were going to shoe horn it into their printers I knew there was no hope for it.
HP was practically driven out of the consumer business by Apple.
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HP was practically driven out of the consumer business by Apple.
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And you base that claim on...?
HP has no one [No carrier, no manufacturer, no developer, no company] to blame for the failure of WebOS but themselves.
A person with a 55 I.Q. could have handled WebOS better.
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And you base that claim on...?
HP has no one [No carrier, no manufacturer, no developer, no company] to blame for the failure of WebOS but themselves.
A person with a 55 I.Q. could have handled WebOS better.
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HP said so themselves.
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2011/08/18/live-blog-h-p-on-pc-spinoff-oh-and-earnings-too/
The tablet effect is real, and sales of the TouchPad are not meeting our expectations,” Apotheker says, explaining the movement of consumers from PCs to tablets as one of the problems with the PC division. So H-P is exploring options for its unit that “may include separation through spinoff or other transactions.
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This isn't just WebOS, this is their entire consumer PC division. Apple/iOS not only killed WebOS, but it weakened their PC profits enough to consider selling it off.
HP gave WebOS/Palm their last breathe, WebOS/Palm was dead long before HP got to it.
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HP said so themselves.
This isn't just WebOS, this is their entire consumer PC division. The iOS not only killed WebOS, but it weakened their PC profits enough to consider selling it off.
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HP is a lot like Palm, I wouldn't believe them if they said the sky was blue.
They can "say" whatever they want...
Whether or not Apple's i-lineup hurt WebOS/PC sales [which we're all sure it did] HP had gold with WebOS.
What did they do with it?
Nothing. Less than nothing.
No one's fault... but themselves.
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HP is a lot like Palm, I wouldn't believe them if they said the sky was blue.
They can "say" whatever them want...
Whether or not Apple's i-lineup hurt WebOS/PC sales [which we're all sure it did] HP had gold with WebOS.
What did they do with it?
Nothing. Less than nothing.
No one's fault... but themselves.
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webos might have been good but as a platform it was already lost. hp picked up a dead platform the day they bought it. few companies could have turned it around at that point, maybe only apple themselves.
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webos might have been good but as a platform it was already lost. hp picked up a dead platform the day they bought it. few companies could have turned it around at that point, maybe only apple themselves.
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Maybe, but they chose it.
They could have went the Android route(or many others) but chose to try to start their own little ecosystem.
Either way, HP should look in the mirror if they want someone to blame.
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Maybe, but they chose it.
They could have went the Android route(or many others) but chose to try to start their own little ecosystem.
Either way, HP should look in the mirror if they want someone to blame.
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what would have hp done with android? everyone is on android and it sure isn't selling in the tablet market. they didn't care about phones either, they wanted in on the tablet market, the same market which is set to bring down their consumer pc market in the next couple of years.
they tried but right now nothing is taking down the iPad. a integrated direction with webOS/touchpad was a smart move but it was about dead already.
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what would have hp done with android? everyone is on android and it sure isn't selling in the tablet market. they didn't care about phones either, they wanted in on the tablet market, the same market which is set to bring down their consumer pc market in the next couple of years.
they tried but right now nothing is taking down the iPad. a integrated direction with webOS/touchpad was a smart move but it was about dead already.
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The tablet market is far too new for anyone to make a claim of victory.
The average person doesn't even have interest in a tablet[right now], much less own one.
Anyone that is backing out already, well, it shows they really don't know how to run this type of business.
HP could have turned their PC market into a tablet market.
They could have taken WebOS and transformed the industry.
They didn't even try.
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The tablet market is far too new for anyone to make a claim of victory.
The average person doesn't even have interest in a tablet[right now], much less own one.
Anyone that is backing out already, well, it shows they really don't know how to run this type of business.
HP could have turned their PC market into a tablet market.
They could have taken WebOS and transformed the industry.
They didn't even try.
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tablet market is new? yup. now look at the ipad sales figures. then consider that the ipad is single handily making hp get out of the pc market.
hp ships more pcs than anyone else. they know how to put products out, if not them then who? webos aint cutting, neither is android. i think microsoft and windows 8 will have the best shot but apple is killing everyone.
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tablet market is new? yup. now look at the ipad sales figures. then consider that the ipad is single handily making hp get out of the pc market.
hp ships more pcs than anyone else. they know how to put products out, if not them then who? webos aint cutting, neither is android. i think microsoft and windows 8 will have the best shot but apple is killing everyone.
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But its not just the ipad.
Its the whole "mobile market"
An example...
I have the Evo.
Just the Evo, no tablet.
Do you know when I go on a PC(laptop)?
When I have to write a paper or study stuff for school.
That's it.
Otherwise, I use my phone.
Apple/i-devices didn't make that true, mobile technology as a whole did
As I type its from my Evo, not a pc/laptop.
I'm not alone.
HP just sat there and 'road the wave' on laptop and desktop sales.
Their "attempt" at mobile technology was a joke.
You know I can already see other name brand pc companys going out of business. It's a lot cheaper building your own computer these days, who wants a bloated desktop with a dozen antivirus programs that expire in 30 days.. Not me..
I love webOS and this sucks but one good thing is the HP touchpad is going on sale for 100 bucks. I'm gonna snag at least 2....
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I love webOS and this sucks but one good thing is the HP touchpad is going on sale for 100 bucks. I'm gonna snag at least 2....
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SOLD out
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I just saw on the news that Andriod has surpassed iOS and blackberry's OS for most used OS on smartphones.
Congrats to google and all of the awesome devs that made me want to get an android phone!
Edit: My news channel sucks, after reading up on it, the report that was released showed Android as being the most popular purchased in the last six months. While not quite as impressive, it looks like we're making headway on Apple and Blackberry.
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I just saw on the news that Andriod has surpassed iOS and blackberry's OS for most used OS on smartphones.
Congrats to google and all of the awesome devs that made me want to get an android phone!
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Not really. It just became the most bought. Blackberry/iPhone is still #1/#2 in the US by about 10-12% (~31/28/19% - BB/iPhone/Android). Internationally (where the iPhone is available on multiple carriers) the gap is bigger. It's definitely growing though.
Edit: Just to be clearer, the numbers show that in the US people are leaving Blackberry, the iPhone is staying pretty constant, and Android is growing. So it looks like Blackberry (probably from Verizon/Sprint/T-Mo) users are moving to Android. And if Verizon gets the rumored CDMA iPhone (which is available in China now), it'll probably change the dynamics (Verizon Blackberry/Android users => iPhone) since iPhone retention among users is really, really high.
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Ok, so if it is the most bought, then doesn't that mean that more people have it than any other OS????
Cuz I'm pretty sure that's what I said and what you said.....
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The iPhone has been selling like crazy for years now. It's base of users are much larger than Androids. Right now the iPhone stands at 28% of the US market share, Android is at 19%. People have recently started buying more Android phones than any other type of phone, so it's still less but it's growing. Get it?
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Not necessarily, being most bought doesn't make it the most used, it just means it's growing. You can have 2 million BB users, 1 million iOS users and 500K Android users. Android is selling 3/day, iOS 2/day and BB 1/day. While Android is growing the quickest, it's still third in the smart phone market.
And if Verizon gets the rumored CDMA iPhone (which is available in China now) said:
Like most Apple products, they lock you into their ecosystem and sink their teeth into your wallet. Once you sell your soul to Stevie, it's tough to get it back.
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Like most Apple products, they lock you into their ecosystem and sink their teeth into your wallet. Once you sell your soul to Stevie, it's tough to get it back.
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Oh so you mean I can transfer my Android apps to a iPhone/WebOS/Blackberry? Nice!!
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Like most Apple products, they lock you into their ecosystem and sink their teeth into your wallet. Once you sell your soul to Stevie, it's tough to get it back.
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+1. Steve jobs and apple are really good at raping the customers in the wallet yet they willingly let it happen. I don't call their customers fanboys anymore, I prefer the term mindless zombie.
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Oh so you mean I can transfer my Android apps to a iPhone/WebOS/Blackberry? Nice!!
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Good luck trying to transfer anything non-apple to an iphone without having to use itunes at least once. I highly doubt android apps would be allowed onto an iphone let alone work correctly.
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Good luck trying to transfer anything non-apple to an iphone without having to use itunes at least once. I highly doubt android apps would be allowed onto an iphone let alone work correctly.
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Ever heard of Doubletwist? That's my point, use one platform and you get locked in unless you want to abandon all your paid apps.
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Oh so you mean I can transfer my Android apps to a iPhone/WebOS/Blackberry? Nice!!
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Well no, (yes) but you can transfer it to a wide variety of hardware manufacturers and carriers.
For instance, here is an incomplete list of where you can take your apps either now, or in the future.
Acer
Alcatel
Apple (oh right, android works on the iphone too)
ARCHOS
ASUS
Dell
Garmin
HP
HTC
Kyocera
Lenovo
LG
Motorola
MSI
Nokia
Panasonic
Philips
Samsung
Sharp
Sony Ericsson
ZTE
Or you can take your iOS apps to the following places:
Apple
Award Tour said:
Oh so you mean I can transfer my Android apps to a iPhone/WebOS/Blackberry? Nice!!
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that made no sense based off what you quoted him from
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Ever heard of Doubletwist? That's my point, use one platform and you get locked in unless you want to abandon all your paid apps.
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I still prefer android over anything apple even considering the paid apps. The android market is still growing and eventually there will be some sort of quality control much like how apple does their market.
As for paid apps, it's no different than buying games on an old phone and then not being able to use them anymore after getting a different phone.
Also, you can't beat the 24 hour refund period. I don't backup paid apps and then refund but it has saved me money refunding apps that did something I could already do. Bettercut is a recent example. My wife wanted to use some icons from the market but it couldn't be used without bettercut. The icons were free but not the app. I just hit refund and showed her how to use custom icons through launcherpro.
Apple doesn't do that. In fact, I remember when the apple market first came out an app was sold for $5+ and it was nothing more than a red button that did nothing. People literally got robbed on that one.
Yay another thread about how Apple does everything wrong and Android does everything right./s
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Well no, (yes) but you can transfer it to a wide variety of hardware manufacturers and carriers.
For instance, here is an incomplete list of where you can take your apps either now, or in the future.
Acer
Alcatel
Apple (oh right, android works on the iphone too)
ARCHOS
ASUS
Dell
Garmin
HP
HTC
Kyocera
Lenovo
LG
Motorola
MSI
Nokia
Panasonic
Philips
Samsung
Sharp
Sony Ericsson
ZTE
Or you can take your iOS apps to the following places:
Apple
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It's still the same ecosystem. My point is that you'll still be locked into Android. Its the way things work.
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You must be referring to this article:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/05/android-is-numero-uno-among-us-phone-buyers-over-the-last-six-mo/
This is just for the last 6 months by the way.
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I still prefer android over anything apple even considering the paid apps. The android market is still growing and eventually there will be some sort of quality control much like how apple does their market.
As for paid apps, it's no different than buying games on an old phone and then not being able to use them anymore after getting a different phone.
Also, you can't beat the 24 hour refund period. I don't backup paid apps and then refund but it has saved me money refunding apps that did something I could already do. Bettercut is a recent example. My wife wanted to use some icons from the market but it couldn't be used without bettercut. The icons were free but not the app. I just hit refund and showed her how to use custom icons through launcherpro.
Apple doesn't do that. In fact, I remember when the apple market first came out an app was sold for $5+ and it was nothing more than a red button that did nothing. People literally got robbed on that one.
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you mean this:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2008/08/iphone-i-am-ric.html
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Yay another thread about how Apple does everything wrong and Android does everything right./s
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Yes, you are in an android forum.
And if you don't like it, then quit trolling and move on.
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You must be referring to this article:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/05/android-is-numero-uno-among-us-phone-buyers-over-the-last-six-mo/
This is just for the last 6 months by the way.
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Read the OP all of the way.
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you mean this:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2008/08/iphone-i-am-ric.html
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That's the one. I didn't want to quote the actual price since spending more than $5 on a useless app is dumb enough, I tried to downplay it a bit. But that is the one I was referring to. Thanks for the link.
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It's still the same ecosystem. My point is that you'll still be locked into Android. Its the way things work.
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It might be the same OS but the selection is HUGE compared to Apples. Like the guy was saying, you have 10+ carriers with android; motorola, HTC, and samsung all use custom UI's. The processors, internal memory, ram and other hardware features can all be changed over different makers on the changeable OS.
For the iOS you have Apple, old version with an old UI and one with a slightly new UI. Which will probably stay the same over the coming years. There is no other company making the phone so what it comes with is what you get and the OS wont come any different (customized) then the other Apple phones being released. That is until they release another version.
Sorry if it is off topic but a 4g blackberry tablet with a dual core processor what do you guys think
http://now.sprint.com/playbook/
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BlackBerry? That's unexpected.
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BlackBerry? That's unexpected.
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It's been known for a while now. Well, except Sprint officially carrying it. But um, who'd want a RIM product? iOS, Android, and WP7 are going to have the most support by both developers and community.
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It's been known for a while now. Well, except Sprint officially carrying it. But um, who'd want a RIM product? iOS, Android, and WP7 are going to have the most support by both developers and community.
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Yeah, I did some research and it was supposed to be WiFi only and/or allow tethering to an existing BB phone to power the tablet.
Smart of them to change their minds, they would not be able to compete without data. 4G can't hurt.
idk it is a blackberry and running their os. could be drama in the long end, but if the hardware is in there for 4g, that makes me believe that you could set it up as a phone with a dialer... could be a combo of old school meets new school.
a Blackberry tablet ...
... who was the fool at Sprint who green-lighted backing this hot mess? RIMs target audience and the typical tablets target audience aren't even close to the same focus groups ... a square peg/round hole failure. Has RIM ever competed in the home user space? Apple at least has worked in that arena, Google clouds absolutely everything, RIM does ... well ... email.
I predict failure here.
looks nice probably be nice for corporate email? I just do not want a tablet tied to contract and do not want some just no name tablet.
From what I hear there's no built in support for calendar or email - those features won't work unless tethered to a blackberry. The os is actually supposed to be pretty impressive though.
Sent from my blah blah blah blah
The tablet looks well built..i hate blackberry os, but i would consider rocking this. I signed up for alerts.
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a Blackberry tablet ...
... who was the fool at Sprint who green-lighted backing this hot mess? RIMs target audience and the typical tablets target audience aren't even close to the same focus groups ... a square peg/round hole failure. Has RIM ever competed in the home user space? Apple at least has worked in that arena, Google clouds absolutely everything, RIM does ... well ... email.
I predict failure here.
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To answer that question I'd have to say yes! I love that there is this huge envisioning by the tech world that BB is only used by businesses.
BB may not do nearly as much marketing and focus on non-business users, but I can say that 35-45% of my friends have a BB as their PERSONAL phone. Not because all of the "business" advantage, but because BB makes attractive, ergonomic, simple to use phones and people do buy them. Not to mention brand recognition, how many people do you know that wouldn't know what "blackberry" is?
Now ask that same person about "android" or "WP7"...
The re-written BB OS is actually pretty sleek looking IMO, so I wouldn't say it's a completely horrible idea for Sprint to take this on. Plus many of the businesses would certainly fall into the potential for stocking these up given their employees are all robots equipped with BBs...
Meh...
Just because it's not Google/Apple/Microsoft doesn't mean it won't be a success or that it's a "hot mess".
Les we forget that RIM was top of the mobile world for a long time.
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Meh...
Just because it's not Google/Apple/Microsoft doesn't mean it won't be a success or that it's a "hot mess".
Les we forget that RIM was top of the mobile world for a long time.
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RIM is a sinking ship. Of all the OS', BBOS is destined to have the least support from developers. Their SDK is also based on AIR/Flash, a dying platform if I ever seen one.
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RIM is a sinking ship. Of all the OS', BBOS is destined to have the least support from developers. Their SDK is also based on AIR/Flash, a dying platform if I ever seen one.
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I think with a nice breath of fresh air they can be a competitor again.
Having the user base, even though it is dwindling, definitely puts them in a good position still.
I think it's really silly to count anyone out at this point in any mobile business, ESPECIALLY tablets.
Per example, Android was practically NOTHING last year...
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Per example, Android was practically NOTHING last year...
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The difference is that Android was a startup that was growing from nothing. RIM is a dinosaur that is dying and making mistakes by frantically looking for solutions.
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The difference is that Android was a startup that was growing from nothing. RIM is a dinosaur that is dying and making mistakes by frantically looking for solutions.
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I can come up with 100 logical reasons why Android shouldn't be where it's at right now.
I think this tablet could help revive BB.
And I certainly don't think it's silly for Sprint to carry it.
With the lack of Sprint news from CES I was very surprised by this move.. Of all the tablets with that mobile focus mentioned a few months ago the PlayBook was the one I was most excited about. Unfortunately I doubt it will be a star by the time it releases as I've already seen a number of tablets from CES that would mop the floor with the PlayBook.
It'll be 4-6 months before we make another mover forward with a new halo handset IMO.
I would buy one of the blackberry tablets before I bought a crummy apple tablet... Apple is a joke and there os is even more of joke... But android on the other hand is far superior to any other tablet out there. If the android tablets didnt exist I would definitley buy a blackberry tablet though.
iamr00t
Award Tour said:
The difference is that Android was a startup that was growing from nothing. RIM is a dinosaur that is dying and making mistakes by frantically looking for solutions.
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Apple was a dying dinosaur before Steve Jobs came back and then they came up with new computer designs and took off with the ibook, ipod, etc.
HP announced they are exiting the consumer biz and dumping their tablet,and smart phones claiming tablet was not successful.
I really hope WebOS gets picked up. It was starting to look promising.
Didn't the tablet just come out like a month ago? It must have really bombed.
I am not a shareholder but if I was, I would be really mad that some idiot paid 1.2 billion for something to discard it...
They can pay all the lip service they want. It is dead.
I feel sorry for any developer that has wasted time buidig apps for WebOS.
the touchpad actually seemed really cool. if i didnt get my transformer, that is the one i probably would have picked. it was smooth, and intuitive. the only thing that held it back was the small amount of apps that it had.
I'll be picking up a Touchpad in the fire sale, at a sub-$200 price it should be worth it.
It's gonna be a lot more expensive because it will become a rarity! And it's gonna be a collectible since it won't be made anymore, right? No fire sale for you! More like a water auction. ..
Hah. HAHahhaha.
I was thinking the same . Maybe be on the lookout for a dirt cheap tablet. It plays 1080 right
Nvm 720
HP's PC, tablet and phone businesses would really be in better hands if they were in any hands but HP's. HP products are generic and undistinguished. Maybe a spinoff could be a Lenovo starting with a lot more product depth. But they'll probably just part it out.
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I feel sorry for any developer that has wasted time buidig apps for WebOS.
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I alsmost did. I created an account yesterday to start learning webOS and several hours later... this. At least I didn't waste any more time.
no. WebOS needs to be shoved in a room with Android and let them do sweet love. and come up with WandroidOS...
WebOS was pretty slick with its home screen and cards. now that i think about it. android should do that. have cards that show the preview of what processes are running and just slide up to kill selected processes i know ATK, but this would be better... at least i would think so...
Frankly, I'd just open source it.
Q.Entity said:
I am not a shareholder but if I was, I would be really mad that some idiot paid 1.2 billion for something to discard it...
They can pay all the lip service they want. It is dead.
I feel sorry for any developer that has wasted time buidig apps for WebOS.
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Well if Google's recent purchase says anything they got a deal. They got all of palm's patents. Palm was a frontrunner in the touch screen PDA, gotta count for something.
I don't think WebOS is being canned all together, HP are just stopping their development on it, "discontinuing operations" as they say. I read a few articles like: http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/41592/hp-ditches-webos-devices-pre-touchpad
In this is states they'll explore options to optimise the value of WebOS which basically is going to be them selling/licensing it on and not keeping it exclusive to HP devices anymore. Personally this would be far better as HP want to focus on their B2B rather than B2C and obviously don't see it as profitable which it isn't as they'd need serious development to keep up with Apple. Opensource as mentioned or licensing it to manufacturers is the only way it's going anywhere. Who knows this could pick up where Meego never went. Only a few months ago there were whispers from inside HP suggesting contact had been made between Samsung and HP about use of WebOS in Samsung devices, WebOS is definitely not dead but instead this could be exactly what it needs.
On another note HP are also looking to pass off their Personal Systems Group, i.e. Desktop and Laptop business to focus on B2B. This could become the next Lenovo - IBM buyout, wonder who will take that on.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/18/hp-will-discontinue-operations-for-webos-devices/
I think what is more interesting is HP "spinning off" their PC business. Possibly dumping PCs by HP is huge, and really shows the impact of mobile devices like droid and ios. Clearly, the HP strategy to roll-your-own OS on mobile failed but Google and Apple have been great successes.
My TF from ASUS is very useful, more than I expected. So, I am interested to see who remains in a couple years.The elephant in the room is China.
Bob Smith42 said:
I think what is more interesting is HP "spinning off" their PC business. Possibly dumping PCs by HP is huge, and really shows the impact of mobile devices like droid and ios.
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+1
This is really surprising since HP is the #1 PC maker. I guess they are following IBM. Maybe Lenovo can take over HPs business.
Where is the value in WebOS
I think what we will see is that HP will auction off the patent portfolio that they acquired with the purchase of Palm. When one considers the rush from Apple, MS, and Google to buy up whatever hits the open market, it's quite possible that HP can see that the patents have more value then the long, slow slug-fest that exists in the marketplace for Tablet's and Phones. Let's not forget that Nortel's patents sold for $4.5 Billion, and Google's purchase of Motorola Mobility for $12.5 Billion
Steve Jobs is like: "All your base are belong to us!"
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AvRS said:
I don't think WebOS is being canned all together, HP are just stopping their development on it, "discontinuing operations" as they say. I read a few articles like: http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/41592/hp-ditches-webos-devices-pre-touchpad
In this is states they'll explore options to optimise the value of WebOS which basically is going to be them selling/licensing it on and not keeping it exclusive to HP devices anymore.
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I see that as simple PR spin, trying to claim a negative is a positive. They aren't just going to flat-out say "we wasted a fortune bringing a product to market, only to ditch it a month later."
Honestly, discontinuing the Touchpad just a month after it went on sale, and leaving customers with what's basically expensive, unsupported bricks which nobody wants to develop for has already generated a storm of negative publicity for HP and WebOS, and will engender a lot of ill will with customers, along with the poor word-of-mouth that will bring.
What manufacturer would want to release a WebOS device when it was already struggling to get any visibility whatsoever against Android and iOS, even before a large portion of the remaining folks that were aware of it were suddenly given a reason to despise it?
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What manufacturer would want to release a <NAME THAT> device when it was already struggling to get any visibility whatsoever against Android and iOS, even before a large portion of the remaining folks that were aware of it were suddenly given a reason to despise it?
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Well, MS is not yet a manufacturer, but still....
I am guessing that HP is going to sell the touchpads for practically nothing. Anyone thinking about picking one up just or the hell of it?
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Depends how low might get in he missus one lol
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I might get one at $200 for my mother...
No more than that...
I really want one!
I will only get one of they decide to Open Source the OS. Otherwise I won't because I don't think there will be any developer support for it and new apps coming out.
I hope you live in a supported country.
I had one and sold it within a week.
It really sucks, and its slow.
My advice save the 200 and get something else.
There's a lot of great android tablets available for 200 usd.
The touchpad has done nothing for me except make me use webos gestures on my sgs2 and the xoom......
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HP's biggest mistake was putting WebOS on it. I guess they learned nothing from the failed attempt called the Palm Pre.
Hey speaking of which, the Touchpad sounds like it will be pulled from the market completely. I suppose they were embarrassed when WebOS ran faster on the iPad when they gave it a test run. They are said to be working on another tablet, a 7 inch tablet I believe. Since it most likely will not be running WebOS, and since the only open source OS is Android... I think I know what will happen next! Hmmm...
I would personally never touch any tablet that isn't running the Android OS. Not the Playbook, the Touchpad, and definitely not the iPad!
Open source+Android+Google=Win.
diablo2224 said:
Hey speaking of which, the Touchpad sounds like it will be pulled from the market completely. I suppose they were embarrassed when WebOS ran faster on the iPad when they gave it a test run. They are said to be working on another tablet, a 7 inch tablet I believe. Since it most likely will not be running WebOS, and since the only open source OS is Android... I think I know what will happen next! Hmmm...
I would personally never touch any tablet that isn't running the Android OS. Not the Playbook, the Touchpad, and definitely not the iPad!
Open source+Android+Google=Win.
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+1 We think alike.
Android on Touchpad
Those tablets have an open bootloader, they can run android. It might be time to start a forum for doing just that?
The official line is that only the hardware side is dead, and the platform will continue for development & licensing. But no doubt an outright sale is preferred, given the strategic direction change with the $10B+ planned acquisition of Autonomy. Either way, WebOS will be mothballed for the foreseeable future, with no dev support.
The common line among pundits is that HP muffed the tablet & phone launches, with mediocre hardware and half-baked software, and decided to cut its losses. IMO, WebOS never had much of a chance, even if the launches went off well. On one side, there is the iPad with its polished UI and many apps. On the other, you have a legion of low-cost Android tabs. There is no breathing room.
HP's announced strategy for WebOS adoption was to piggyback on Windows as a shell in HP PCs & printers, where its vast market share is a strength. But WebOS' chance went from slim to none the moment MS announced that Win8 would encompass tablets, has a touch-friendly GUI, and run on ARM. The rationale to include it as a Windows touch-GUI was no longer viable. Thus the sole chance of WebOS penetration rests on the tablet doing well, which it didn't. But the tablet was never the main plan for WebOS, the PC was.
The bigger impact by far to HP's stock walloping is the announcement of exiting the PC market. Not sure what the thinking is here, to announce it way before it had a deal lined up. HP PC sales will suffer, especially going into the all-important back-to-school and holiday shopping periods. Apotheker has a lot to answer for.
The other shoe left to drop is when RIM would cry uncle with the Playbook.
HP should license the OS or certain features in it if they arent going to make it Open Source. The OS is awesome but they didn't put any money into hardware. Can you imagine a 4 in+ HTC device running WebOS? That would be awesome. The software is awesome but the hardware, marketing and acquisitions direction was horrible.
The purchased may have been for the patents since it was a steal. If we are lucky Google makes an offer they can't refuse on those patents.
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$99 new price starting tomorrow
I should buy like 3 and give out 2 for christmas.
Wow Epic Fail. Maybe I should buy .one for modding purposes.
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Funny that the processor and gpu are great, seriously. It's a slight variation on the Qualcomm in the HTC Sensation/Evo3d, and I'm not sure there's anything in the mobile market (released) that outdoes the Adreno 220.
TouchPad fire sale at $100 (sold out for now)
http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3220862
In the thread, people are buying them by the dozens, no doubt to fleabay them afterward. If you want one, be fast.
Does anyone know if Netflix is on this (homebrew/exploit/etc.) this would a partial dealbreaker (although I already bought it)?
I ended up ordering two 32gb TouchPads, the total cost came to $269, I could not go wrong for $134.50 for a device priced at $599 not even a year ago? It looks like they are all gone on HP's site now though.
the specs of the touchpad are not that impressive plus it boots very slow.. and its webOS not Android..and its the heaviest slate around !!
you can get an Android based tablet with the same specs for a better price.. unless someone ports Android to touchpad and HP will sell it for $150 or lower then it would worth spending the money on it.
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..and its the heaviest slate around !!.
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You mean theres a slate heavier than the Xoom??
I think this is fairly big news to say the least.
And I think it is relevant to a lot of Epic users given how many of us upgraded from a good ol Palm.
http://us.m.yahoo.com/w/news_americ....html?back=/&.ts=1313729427&.intl=us&.lang=en
NEWS UPDATE!
(I got this from SlickDeals)
"Rumors abound that the CEO (who was responsible for the great HP Touchpad snipe hunt) will be fired. Investors rejoice with HP up 10% in trading"
Maybe HP hardware will be around for a while after all!
NEWS UPDATE again!
JUST CONFIRMED in HP Press release.
PC business WILL CONTINUE. Good thing, I like HP's hardware.
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20111027006814/en/HP-PC-Division
Damn I was planning to buy another hp desktop next summer
Don't hp desktops look nice?
I know I think so
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and i just bought a hp laptop :O
Magic Oreo said:
and i just bought a hp laptop :O
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Me too... but its a desktop... so no support?
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i just bought 2 hp laptops about 10 weeks ago!
Wait so there going to software only?
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Wait so there going to software only?
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Probably maintaining their printers/copiers also. In the business sector they dominate the market for copiers.
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Me too... but its a desktop... so no support?
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Unfortunately no, they're shutting everything but Copiers/Printers. WebOS is done for. Why HP would destroy Palm's legacy I'll never know.
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The previous CEO of Palm, Mark Hurd is the guy who bought Palm. He saw the purchase as a way for HP to become like Apple; a company that can marry Software and Hardware beautifully and sell products at high profit. It is very hard to do and you need to put a lot of resources and money in both hardware and software. Unfortunately he was kicked out of HP due to his Mistress expense report scandal.
The current CEO of Palm, Leo Apotheker doesn't share that same vision for Palm. He saw HP more as IBM; a company that can provide software solutions only. I think Apotheker tried out Hurd's way but he had a real short leash and didn't put much resource and money into it.
HP is apparently going into the "Cloud" biz, they are making a run at buying Autonomy, a vendor that provides document viewing capabilities (amongst other things) for $10 M.
I think this is a huge mistake as they could have been poised to eventually take advantage of all the RIM screwups.
As one who eventually crossed over to the "dark side" of Android from 10+ years of Palm and a 2 Pre family, this is really dissapointing. Over time (about 36 hours to be exact) I learned to really appreciate the Android OS and leave that beautiful, silky smooth, digital honey of an OS (WebOS) behind. As a past WebOS dev, I recently received a nice temptation in $100 off the new WebOS tablet. Dont think I am going to purchase one now.
WebOS to this day is still the only true multi-tasking mobile OS and I hope Google has the "smarts" to gobble it up before Apple jumps on it.
RIP WebOS
WebOS should have been huge. Shame how it was mismanaged. I'm glad to be on Android but competition really is good for everyone.
This is very interesting. Seeing that my entire company is primarily a HP shop!
HP would be smart to license out WebOS to tablet and phone manufacturers. The problem with Palm was the crappy hardware. I would think Samsung's, HTC's, etc high end hardware running WebOS could be an instant hit.
I understand why they are stopping tablets and phones they didn't stand a chance. They would have been better off using either windows or android instead of thinking their os was gonna be some big welcoming although some of you seemed to have liked it I didn't really care for it. But stopping or selling their pc business that's a dumb move on their part I think and there stock is suffering already from it pretty bad.
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I understand why they are stopping tablets and phones they didn't stand a chance. They would have been better off using either windows or android instead of thinking their os was gonna be some big welcoming although some of you seemed to have liked it I didn't really care for it. But stopping or selling their pc business that's a dumb move on their part I think and there stock is suffering already from it pretty bad.
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I love webos I just needed a bigger screen and keyboard, and they shouldn't have stopped then pc
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HP would be smart to license out WebOS to tablet and phone manufacturers. The problem with Palm was the crappy hardware. I would think Samsung's, HTC's, etc high end hardware running WebOS could be an instant hit.
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It wasn't just hardware issues. Their ad campaign was awful, they shouldn't have made the Pre exclusive to Sprint (much as I love them), and they had a months-long delay between announcement and launch. If they would have done just those things better, WebOS and Palm would probably be thriving today. No one wants WebOS anymore for phones, it's going to be Android dominance of everything except Apple's loyal niche. If MS didn't have so much cash to burn Windows Phone 7 would already be in a hospice. I wonder if they will eventually give up on it.
There's probably going to be a IP auction over webos patents and palm remains now. And microsoft, apple and google could all use the bits and pieces even to just screw with the competition...
As for the pcs, u will get support. Besides, it will be a phase out and they'll likely just spin off compaq as the hardware devision. Or sell it like ibm. But pcs r dying. They will go the way of the cd soon... lol
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Web OS failed cuz of the hardware. They didnt know how to implement it.
I wouldve got a pre if the screen was bigger. I got excited for the pre 2 (mind you i was on epic) but they messed it up by pulling a rim and releasing the same exact form factor.
The pre 3 is stupid looking.
I hope sammy gets some rights to WebOS...can you imagine it running on a gsii? I think id leave android..
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Man, my friend ordered 2 tablets for $100 each! There are going to be good specials popping up for sure
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