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HP Launching 7" webOS tablet in August

Thought this might interest some of us with tabs since we use a pretty niche 7" tablet.
I think my sgt is a great device but of all the mobile OS's out there, webOS has always been my favorite. If HP can confirm this rumor, I will be the first in line to buy one.
Article here: http://www.bgr.com/2011/06/24/hp-to-launch-7-inch-tablet-in-august-according-to-report/

hmm if it was made by anyone else i would think about it, i have been through 3 hp laptops in 2 years cos they keep dying due to geat issues

Nothing against HP myself, but I'll prolly be sticking with my GTab. It serves my purposes very well for the time being. Maybe if it were 3D.

I am dropping my Xoom for an SGT on Verizon asap, and plan on picking up the opal when it hits as well. 7 inch is perfect IMO, and I agree, webOS is the bee's knees. If it were rommable like android I wouldn't use android probably.
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HP Dumping tablet and phones

HP announced they are exiting the consumer biz and dumping their tablet,and smart phones claiming tablet was not successful.

I really hope WebOS gets picked up. It was starting to look promising.

Didn't the tablet just come out like a month ago? It must have really bombed.

I am not a shareholder but if I was, I would be really mad that some idiot paid 1.2 billion for something to discard it...
They can pay all the lip service they want. It is dead.
I feel sorry for any developer that has wasted time buidig apps for WebOS.

the touchpad actually seemed really cool. if i didnt get my transformer, that is the one i probably would have picked. it was smooth, and intuitive. the only thing that held it back was the small amount of apps that it had.

I'll be picking up a Touchpad in the fire sale, at a sub-$200 price it should be worth it.

It's gonna be a lot more expensive because it will become a rarity! And it's gonna be a collectible since it won't be made anymore, right? No fire sale for you! More like a water auction. ..
Hah. HAHahhaha.

I was thinking the same . Maybe be on the lookout for a dirt cheap tablet. It plays 1080 right
Nvm 720

HP's PC, tablet and phone businesses would really be in better hands if they were in any hands but HP's. HP products are generic and undistinguished. Maybe a spinoff could be a Lenovo starting with a lot more product depth. But they'll probably just part it out.

Q.Entity said:
I feel sorry for any developer that has wasted time buidig apps for WebOS.
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I alsmost did. I created an account yesterday to start learning webOS and several hours later... this. At least I didn't waste any more time.

no. WebOS needs to be shoved in a room with Android and let them do sweet love. and come up with WandroidOS...
WebOS was pretty slick with its home screen and cards. now that i think about it. android should do that. have cards that show the preview of what processes are running and just slide up to kill selected processes i know ATK, but this would be better... at least i would think so...

Frankly, I'd just open source it.

Q.Entity said:
I am not a shareholder but if I was, I would be really mad that some idiot paid 1.2 billion for something to discard it...
They can pay all the lip service they want. It is dead.
I feel sorry for any developer that has wasted time buidig apps for WebOS.
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Well if Google's recent purchase says anything they got a deal. They got all of palm's patents. Palm was a frontrunner in the touch screen PDA, gotta count for something.

I don't think WebOS is being canned all together, HP are just stopping their development on it, "discontinuing operations" as they say. I read a few articles like: http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/41592/hp-ditches-webos-devices-pre-touchpad
In this is states they'll explore options to optimise the value of WebOS which basically is going to be them selling/licensing it on and not keeping it exclusive to HP devices anymore. Personally this would be far better as HP want to focus on their B2B rather than B2C and obviously don't see it as profitable which it isn't as they'd need serious development to keep up with Apple. Opensource as mentioned or licensing it to manufacturers is the only way it's going anywhere. Who knows this could pick up where Meego never went. Only a few months ago there were whispers from inside HP suggesting contact had been made between Samsung and HP about use of WebOS in Samsung devices, WebOS is definitely not dead but instead this could be exactly what it needs.
On another note HP are also looking to pass off their Personal Systems Group, i.e. Desktop and Laptop business to focus on B2B. This could become the next Lenovo - IBM buyout, wonder who will take that on.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/18/hp-will-discontinue-operations-for-webos-devices/

I think what is more interesting is HP "spinning off" their PC business. Possibly dumping PCs by HP is huge, and really shows the impact of mobile devices like droid and ios. Clearly, the HP strategy to roll-your-own OS on mobile failed but Google and Apple have been great successes.
My TF from ASUS is very useful, more than I expected. So, I am interested to see who remains in a couple years.The elephant in the room is China.

Bob Smith42 said:
I think what is more interesting is HP "spinning off" their PC business. Possibly dumping PCs by HP is huge, and really shows the impact of mobile devices like droid and ios.
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This is really surprising since HP is the #1 PC maker. I guess they are following IBM. Maybe Lenovo can take over HPs business.

Where is the value in WebOS
I think what we will see is that HP will auction off the patent portfolio that they acquired with the purchase of Palm. When one considers the rush from Apple, MS, and Google to buy up whatever hits the open market, it's quite possible that HP can see that the patents have more value then the long, slow slug-fest that exists in the marketplace for Tablet's and Phones. Let's not forget that Nortel's patents sold for $4.5 Billion, and Google's purchase of Motorola Mobility for $12.5 Billion

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AvRS said:
I don't think WebOS is being canned all together, HP are just stopping their development on it, "discontinuing operations" as they say. I read a few articles like: http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/41592/hp-ditches-webos-devices-pre-touchpad
In this is states they'll explore options to optimise the value of WebOS which basically is going to be them selling/licensing it on and not keeping it exclusive to HP devices anymore.
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I see that as simple PR spin, trying to claim a negative is a positive. They aren't just going to flat-out say "we wasted a fortune bringing a product to market, only to ditch it a month later."
Honestly, discontinuing the Touchpad just a month after it went on sale, and leaving customers with what's basically expensive, unsupported bricks which nobody wants to develop for has already generated a storm of negative publicity for HP and WebOS, and will engender a lot of ill will with customers, along with the poor word-of-mouth that will bring.
What manufacturer would want to release a WebOS device when it was already struggling to get any visibility whatsoever against Android and iOS, even before a large portion of the remaining folks that were aware of it were suddenly given a reason to despise it?

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What manufacturer would want to release a <NAME THAT> device when it was already struggling to get any visibility whatsoever against Android and iOS, even before a large portion of the remaining folks that were aware of it were suddenly given a reason to despise it?
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Well, MS is not yet a manufacturer, but still....

HP just announced, will discontinue smartphones and tablets (and PCs)

I think this is fairly big news to say the least.
And I think it is relevant to a lot of Epic users given how many of us upgraded from a good ol Palm.
http://us.m.yahoo.com/w/news_americ....html?back=/&.ts=1313729427&.intl=us&.lang=en
NEWS UPDATE!
(I got this from SlickDeals)
"Rumors abound that the CEO (who was responsible for the great HP Touchpad snipe hunt) will be fired. Investors rejoice with HP up 10% in trading"
Maybe HP hardware will be around for a while after all!
NEWS UPDATE again!
JUST CONFIRMED in HP Press release.
PC business WILL CONTINUE. Good thing, I like HP's hardware.
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20111027006814/en/HP-PC-Division

Damn I was planning to buy another hp desktop next summer
Don't hp desktops look nice?
I know I think so
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and i just bought a hp laptop :O

Magic Oreo said:
and i just bought a hp laptop :O
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Me too... but its a desktop... so no support?
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i just bought 2 hp laptops about 10 weeks ago!

Wait so there going to software only?
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rulyskull said:
Wait so there going to software only?
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Probably maintaining their printers/copiers also. In the business sector they dominate the market for copiers.

deano0714 said:
Me too... but its a desktop... so no support?
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Unfortunately no, they're shutting everything but Copiers/Printers. WebOS is done for. Why HP would destroy Palm's legacy I'll never know.
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The previous CEO of Palm, Mark Hurd is the guy who bought Palm. He saw the purchase as a way for HP to become like Apple; a company that can marry Software and Hardware beautifully and sell products at high profit. It is very hard to do and you need to put a lot of resources and money in both hardware and software. Unfortunately he was kicked out of HP due to his Mistress expense report scandal.
The current CEO of Palm, Leo Apotheker doesn't share that same vision for Palm. He saw HP more as IBM; a company that can provide software solutions only. I think Apotheker tried out Hurd's way but he had a real short leash and didn't put much resource and money into it.

HP is apparently going into the "Cloud" biz, they are making a run at buying Autonomy, a vendor that provides document viewing capabilities (amongst other things) for $10 M.

I think this is a huge mistake as they could have been poised to eventually take advantage of all the RIM screwups.
As one who eventually crossed over to the "dark side" of Android from 10+ years of Palm and a 2 Pre family, this is really dissapointing. Over time (about 36 hours to be exact) I learned to really appreciate the Android OS and leave that beautiful, silky smooth, digital honey of an OS (WebOS) behind. As a past WebOS dev, I recently received a nice temptation in $100 off the new WebOS tablet. Dont think I am going to purchase one now.
WebOS to this day is still the only true multi-tasking mobile OS and I hope Google has the "smarts" to gobble it up before Apple jumps on it.
RIP WebOS

WebOS should have been huge. Shame how it was mismanaged. I'm glad to be on Android but competition really is good for everyone.

This is very interesting. Seeing that my entire company is primarily a HP shop!

HP would be smart to license out WebOS to tablet and phone manufacturers. The problem with Palm was the crappy hardware. I would think Samsung's, HTC's, etc high end hardware running WebOS could be an instant hit.

I understand why they are stopping tablets and phones they didn't stand a chance. They would have been better off using either windows or android instead of thinking their os was gonna be some big welcoming although some of you seemed to have liked it I didn't really care for it. But stopping or selling their pc business that's a dumb move on their part I think and there stock is suffering already from it pretty bad.

jbadboy2007 said:
I understand why they are stopping tablets and phones they didn't stand a chance. They would have been better off using either windows or android instead of thinking their os was gonna be some big welcoming although some of you seemed to have liked it I didn't really care for it. But stopping or selling their pc business that's a dumb move on their part I think and there stock is suffering already from it pretty bad.
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I love webos I just needed a bigger screen and keyboard, and they shouldn't have stopped then pc
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HP would be smart to license out WebOS to tablet and phone manufacturers. The problem with Palm was the crappy hardware. I would think Samsung's, HTC's, etc high end hardware running WebOS could be an instant hit.
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It wasn't just hardware issues. Their ad campaign was awful, they shouldn't have made the Pre exclusive to Sprint (much as I love them), and they had a months-long delay between announcement and launch. If they would have done just those things better, WebOS and Palm would probably be thriving today. No one wants WebOS anymore for phones, it's going to be Android dominance of everything except Apple's loyal niche. If MS didn't have so much cash to burn Windows Phone 7 would already be in a hospice. I wonder if they will eventually give up on it.

There's probably going to be a IP auction over webos patents and palm remains now. And microsoft, apple and google could all use the bits and pieces even to just screw with the competition...
As for the pcs, u will get support. Besides, it will be a phase out and they'll likely just spin off compaq as the hardware devision. Or sell it like ibm. But pcs r dying. They will go the way of the cd soon... lol
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Web OS failed cuz of the hardware. They didnt know how to implement it.
I wouldve got a pre if the screen was bigger. I got excited for the pre 2 (mind you i was on epic) but they messed it up by pulling a rim and releasing the same exact form factor.
The pre 3 is stupid looking.
I hope sammy gets some rights to WebOS...can you imagine it running on a gsii? I think id leave android..
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Man, my friend ordered 2 tablets for $100 each! There are going to be good specials popping up for sure
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Another one bites the dust

http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/08/does-apotheker-need-an-apothecary-why-hp-is-exiting-the-pc-business.ars
Pretty interesting article on how HP is leaving the pc business...

Kinda sucks as I was always thinking WebOS showed promise. They just didn't do enough with it. Almost seems like they didn't even try to make the most of it either. Sucks, but that's what happens. Look at RIM. Take the next step or bow out. My goodness, it just sucks when you see something promising and it just wilts and fades.
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WebOS was dead the moment HP bought Palm.
Anyone could see that.

mattykinsx said:
WebOS was dead the moment HP bought Palm.
Anyone could see that.
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Agreed. It was probably dead before then, since there was almost no developer support for it. A shame really, I really liked using WebOS for the short time I had a Pre. It just never got paired with the hardware that it deserved.

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WebOS was dead the moment HP bought Palm.
Anyone could see that.
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While maybe forecasted, some had hope. While it was evident that work needed to be put in, some expected there would be. It is a got dayum shame. As well as many, I was personally looking for the WebOS push, more than WP7.
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Agreed. It was probably dead before then, since there was almost no developer support for it. A shame really, I really liked using WebOS for the short time I had a Pre. It just never got paired with the hardware that it deserved.
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It was, but it could have possibly been revived if the right company would have bought Palm.
That didn't happen.
I remember being on the Precentral forums when the HP merger happened.
Everyone was jumping for joy... I and a few other forum members were attacked for not.
The problem in the beginning was hardware.
Then, once hardware never came [and subsequently took over a year to come], hardware was the least of the concerns.
I have more fingers on my hands than the amount of devs that were supporting WebOS when HP bought Palm.
HP didn't increase that number.

Yeah, hardware was only the first issue. In this day and age if you're going to introduce a new software ecosystem it needs to be ready to hit the ground running basically from day one. No one who already has a smartphone has the patience to wait for yet another operating system to catch up to its peers in terms of application availability.
HP never had a real vision for webOS; when I heard that they were going to shoe horn it into their printers I knew there was no hope for it.

HP was practically driven out of the consumer business by Apple.

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HP was practically driven out of the consumer business by Apple.
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And you base that claim on...?
HP has no one [No carrier, no manufacturer, no developer, no company] to blame for the failure of WebOS but themselves.
A person with a 55 I.Q. could have handled WebOS better.

mattykinsx said:
And you base that claim on...?
HP has no one [No carrier, no manufacturer, no developer, no company] to blame for the failure of WebOS but themselves.
A person with a 55 I.Q. could have handled WebOS better.
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HP said so themselves.
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2011/08/18/live-blog-h-p-on-pc-spinoff-oh-and-earnings-too/
The tablet effect is real, and sales of the TouchPad are not meeting our expectations,” Apotheker says, explaining the movement of consumers from PCs to tablets as one of the problems with the PC division. So H-P is exploring options for its unit that “may include separation through spinoff or other transactions.
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This isn't just WebOS, this is their entire consumer PC division. Apple/iOS not only killed WebOS, but it weakened their PC profits enough to consider selling it off.
HP gave WebOS/Palm their last breathe, WebOS/Palm was dead long before HP got to it.

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HP said so themselves.
This isn't just WebOS, this is their entire consumer PC division. The iOS not only killed WebOS, but it weakened their PC profits enough to consider selling it off.
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HP is a lot like Palm, I wouldn't believe them if they said the sky was blue.
They can "say" whatever they want...
Whether or not Apple's i-lineup hurt WebOS/PC sales [which we're all sure it did] HP had gold with WebOS.
What did they do with it?
Nothing. Less than nothing.
No one's fault... but themselves.

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HP is a lot like Palm, I wouldn't believe them if they said the sky was blue.
They can "say" whatever them want...
Whether or not Apple's i-lineup hurt WebOS/PC sales [which we're all sure it did] HP had gold with WebOS.
What did they do with it?
Nothing. Less than nothing.
No one's fault... but themselves.
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webos might have been good but as a platform it was already lost. hp picked up a dead platform the day they bought it. few companies could have turned it around at that point, maybe only apple themselves.

detusueno said:
webos might have been good but as a platform it was already lost. hp picked up a dead platform the day they bought it. few companies could have turned it around at that point, maybe only apple themselves.
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Maybe, but they chose it.
They could have went the Android route(or many others) but chose to try to start their own little ecosystem.
Either way, HP should look in the mirror if they want someone to blame.

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Maybe, but they chose it.
They could have went the Android route(or many others) but chose to try to start their own little ecosystem.
Either way, HP should look in the mirror if they want someone to blame.
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what would have hp done with android? everyone is on android and it sure isn't selling in the tablet market. they didn't care about phones either, they wanted in on the tablet market, the same market which is set to bring down their consumer pc market in the next couple of years.
they tried but right now nothing is taking down the iPad. a integrated direction with webOS/touchpad was a smart move but it was about dead already.

detusueno said:
what would have hp done with android? everyone is on android and it sure isn't selling in the tablet market. they didn't care about phones either, they wanted in on the tablet market, the same market which is set to bring down their consumer pc market in the next couple of years.
they tried but right now nothing is taking down the iPad. a integrated direction with webOS/touchpad was a smart move but it was about dead already.
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The tablet market is far too new for anyone to make a claim of victory.
The average person doesn't even have interest in a tablet[right now], much less own one.
Anyone that is backing out already, well, it shows they really don't know how to run this type of business.
HP could have turned their PC market into a tablet market.
They could have taken WebOS and transformed the industry.
They didn't even try.

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The tablet market is far too new for anyone to make a claim of victory.
The average person doesn't even have interest in a tablet[right now], much less own one.
Anyone that is backing out already, well, it shows they really don't know how to run this type of business.
HP could have turned their PC market into a tablet market.
They could have taken WebOS and transformed the industry.
They didn't even try.
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tablet market is new? yup. now look at the ipad sales figures. then consider that the ipad is single handily making hp get out of the pc market.
hp ships more pcs than anyone else. they know how to put products out, if not them then who? webos aint cutting, neither is android. i think microsoft and windows 8 will have the best shot but apple is killing everyone.

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tablet market is new? yup. now look at the ipad sales figures. then consider that the ipad is single handily making hp get out of the pc market.
hp ships more pcs than anyone else. they know how to put products out, if not them then who? webos aint cutting, neither is android. i think microsoft and windows 8 will have the best shot but apple is killing everyone.
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But its not just the ipad.
Its the whole "mobile market"
An example...
I have the Evo.
Just the Evo, no tablet.
Do you know when I go on a PC(laptop)?
When I have to write a paper or study stuff for school.
That's it.
Otherwise, I use my phone.
Apple/i-devices didn't make that true, mobile technology as a whole did
As I type its from my Evo, not a pc/laptop.
I'm not alone.
HP just sat there and 'road the wave' on laptop and desktop sales.
Their "attempt" at mobile technology was a joke.

You know I can already see other name brand pc companys going out of business. It's a lot cheaper building your own computer these days, who wants a bloated desktop with a dozen antivirus programs that expire in 30 days.. Not me..

I love webOS and this sucks but one good thing is the HP touchpad is going on sale for 100 bucks. I'm gonna snag at least 2....

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I love webOS and this sucks but one good thing is the HP touchpad is going on sale for 100 bucks. I'm gonna snag at least 2....
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SOLD out
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iPad mini

hmmmmm i still think my Xoom is very relevant and will better suit me for what i use a tablet for. heck my first gen kindle fire is still relevant (for me anyways)
what are your thoughts?
http://www.apple.com/ipad-mini/overview/

My thoughts are that comparing the too is like comparing oranges and carrots. The only thing they have in common is the color orange (they're both tablets).
They are damn near 2 generations apart tech wise and 2 completely different form factors.

exactly, thats what i meant, no need to get something new like the ipad mini (or any ipad) when my xoom still fits the bill. apple has always innovated, now with the mini, they are trying to get in on the smaller tablet market that Google and Amazon have already taken the lead in
ever since the world lost steve jobs, apple has taken a slide downward, pretty soon they will be irrelevant

dodgefan67 said:
exactly, thats what i meant, no need to get something new like the ipad mini (or any ipad) when my xoom still fits the bill. apple has always innovated, now with the mini, they are trying to get in on the smaller tablet market that Google and Amazon have already taken the lead in
ever since the world lost steve jobs, apple has taken a slide downward, pretty soon they will be irrelevant
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Honestly it sounds like you just want to chat about how Apple is bad and the Xoom is still a masterpiece (its not - its quite outdated). Apple is still quite relevant to the mobile market (phones and tablets). They make solid products with good hardware, have fantastic marketing, provide options and on the tablet front, are destroying Android in terms of app support (the OS, IMO, is **** compared to Jellybean). Regardless, they're not going anywhere, no matter how hard you pray.
I love my Xoom but it is far far out of date. I can't wait to see the Nexus 10 and may very well upgrade to that.

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Also, while the iPad Mini is the thing everyone is talking about....I think the updated iMac and the Macbooks were much more newsworthy.

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Also, while the iPad Mini is the thing everyone is talking about....I think the updated iMac and the Macbooks were much more newsworthy.
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I agree with this and on a different note the surface isn't to shabby looking either. This is my favorite time of the year.
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Cubanluke88 said:
Honestly it sounds like you just want to chat about how Apple is bad and the Xoom is still a masterpiece (its not - its quite outdated). Apple is still quite relevant to the mobile market (phones and tablets). They make solid products with good hardware, have fantastic marketing, provide options and on the tablet front, are destroying Android in terms of app support (the OS, IMO, is **** compared to Jellybean). Regardless, they're not going anywhere, no matter how hard you pray.
I love my Xoom but it is far far out of date. I can't wait to see the Nexus 10 and may very well upgrade to that.
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you may be right, but it is just an opinion, never liked apple, but its not like i look for opportunities to bash them....no wait :cyclops:
and yeah as long as the Nexus 10 isn't built by LG i might get one too
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thats true as well

To be honest my xoom2 sound way better than mini ipad mini.

Cubanluke88 said:
Honestly it sounds like you just want to chat about how Apple is bad and the Xoom is still a masterpiece (its not - its quite outdated). Apple is still quite relevant to the mobile market (phones and tablets). They make solid products with good hardware, have fantastic marketing, provide options and on the tablet front, are destroying Android in terms of app support (the OS, IMO, is **** compared to Jellybean). Regardless, they're not going anywhere, no matter how hard you pray.
I love my Xoom but it is far far out of date. I can't wait to see the Nexus 10 and may very well upgrade to that.
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A wolf in sheep clothing is what you are, I see no apple product in your signature all android and yet you downgrade android, Our two year old Xoom run rings around both the iPad2 and mini. 4.3 ratio is so sixties, Bless Motorola who invented cellphone all others are just carbon copy, you mention out of date and yet mini a week old is selling itself on dual band radio when we all know the Xoom was the first tablet to incorperate it. The mini is in Colby league not Xoom..

tumpy said:
A wolf in sheep clothing is what you are, I see no apple product in your signature all android and yet you downgrade android, Our two year old Xoom run rings around both the iPad2 and mini. 4.3 ratio is so sixties, Bless Motorola who invented cellphone all others are just carbon copy, you mention out of date and yet mini a week old is selling itself on dual band radio when we all know the Xoom was the first tablet to incorperate it. The mini is in Colby league not Xoom..
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So now I need to be an Apple user in order to have an unbiased opinion? Please tell me where I downgraded Android wrongly rather than just shrugging it off. Android tablet app support is atrocious. Its getting better and its nice that Android apps "scale" upward but in doing so, a lot of the screen real estate of a tablet is simply not used efficiently. You can compare it to mobile websites. Have you ever looked at a mobile website on a desktop? They look horrible because they're not using the screen real estate efficiently. With all that said, the user interface of the OS itself and the features and speed have finally surpassed that of iOS.
And yes, the Xoom in the tech world of tablets is very out of date. Hardware tech moves fast; its still relevant and useful but the Tegra 2 processor is simply not up to par with newer chips. One of the main Eos devs even said in their nightly thread that the Xoom is old (coming up on 2 years) and people should start looking to upgrade. It was a bit of an off hand comment (as in I don't think they plan on dropping support any time soon) but people were discussing speed and such and the simple fact is the Xoom's hardware is holding it back from taking full advantage of Jellybean (its fast but not nearly as fast as a Galaxy Nexus or Nexus 7 with Project Butter).
Back to my original point, as I stated, comparing the Xoom and Mini is silly and to me comes across as nothing more than a fishing attempt to bash on Apple and circle jerk about the Xoom with other Xoom owners. They are two products that simply don't compare well to one another. A proper comparison would be the Nexus 7 and the Mini; they are much closer in release dates and are actually of similar sizes and targeted at similar customers.
dodgefan67 said:
so what would be the point of buying an ipad mini?
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People that want a smaller tablet and are already invested in the iOS arena or simply prefer it? Tablets that are 9.6" or 10.1" aren't for everyone, just as phones that are 4.7" aren't for everyone. I know quite a few iPhone users who never got iPads because they saw the device as too large and cumbersome. The Mini introduces another option for iOS users at a different price and size.

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Please be civil and respectful of each other. Thanks.

In my opinion the xoom is still a far superior device to any of Apple's closed system devices and will be for some time to come.
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In my opinion the xoom is still a far superior device to any of Apple's closed system devices and will be for some time to come.
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And why do you think that?

Tech_Zealot said:
In my opinion the xoom is still a far superior device to any of Apple's closed system devices and will be for some time to come.
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great point, open source has always been better at providing better and faster support to products which make them more reliable and longer lasting. look how many old PCs are running linux
on the flip side, proprietary software like drivers from nvidia (on my LG phone) take forever to get updates. LG/Nvidia and T-Mobile have only just recently upgraded my phone to GB 2.3.4 (back in March) where as my Xoom is running the latest JB

I think that apple products are great! They give people who are new to the computer world a chance to learn hope to use a computer...
That being said anything beyond being new to computers in respect to acceptable customer support, software support, getting the most out of your device, power, and topping on the cake ethical business operation, you don't find it in apple.
I won't go to far into detail and try not to hate on apple to much, but I think that if you want a device that actually allows you to fully use the hardware then you have to look elsewhere. I also think that you pay far to much money for devices in that brand since they already get their hardware cheap as hell. sure they build solid hardware, but its not always high end, nor is it reasonably priced.
I bought a laptop from an off brand that was twice the power of the average apple computer today and half the price. I received it a year ago.
Ok enough with apple. Sorry that organization irritates me.
So on the xoom. I bought mine fairly recently. Some of the things I love about it is that it's build Pretty solid. I feel like I could throw this thing at a friggin wall! People claim the hardware is outdated, I don't agree. My xoom has EOS Wingray 153 currently and doesn't have any issues at all with lag. The only problems I've had with running apps is that I can't find enough that I want to use. That is to say ones relevant for me to use. I have about 64GB to fill and not enough apps to fill it with
Now this isn't as if I'm saying there aren't enough apps made for android to be honest I think there are plenty. I like that you don't need to use a ca authority to make an app attachable to the store, and I like that they don't pull root apps from the market. I also haven't heard of people being sued for hacking android devices.
I haven't been able to take full advantage of my xoom hardware yet, though it's mostly due to a lack of trying. I mostly use it for a few games and internet use when I'm not home. I also do ebooks and PDFs as well as ssh and some research. To say the xoom is outdated is in my opinion grossly wrong. The software that does a pretty damn good job of efficiently using the hardware, and I've yet to see an app thus far have trouble functioning properly or have any sort of lag. Well I did once, but that could have been so to a new build I literally just installed it also could have just been the app. In any case I no longer have lag.
To close to the question of iPad mini vs xoom. If you have a reason to use something smaller than a xoom then by all means support a terrible organization, but otherwise I think the xoom will be good for me for another year.
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I hate Apple's policies for market share! But over hating their policies I hate those iSheeps who keeps saying that their iPoops of them is better than Android, which was com proved by Geekbench that it's the opposite! For all those saying that Xoom is better than any Apple device, it's a lie, BUT even with it's 2 y.o. hardware it's only worse than the new iPhone 5, which is worse to GNote 10.1, GNote 2 and GS3! And there's still missing the new devices that'll come now, like RAZR HD, HTC One X+, Xperia T, etc... And on the iPad mini topic, all I can say is that it's not worth in ANY F-Word WAY! N7 is the best 7" tablet you'll see, Xoom 2 ME is way better too! But I else think that's not fair compare a 7" tablet to a 10" one, they were built for different functions and there's no way you can be fair to both sides when comparing utility, for example: I have my Xoom, which is amazing, and today I used a little my mom's Xoom 2 ME tablet, and it was way better to read than my 10.1" screen! That's why I'm keeping my Xoom and getting a Nexus 7, as I don't need another high end 10" tablet for now and need a tablet for better mobility.
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