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Ipone 4 on list of this Year's failures (CNN)

Since I'm not a fan Apple I found this to be funny. Sure, you'll see some of Google's stuff listed but iPhone is first on the list.
http://m.cnn.com/primary/_pl3cVA-i2ZDb5bHzEG
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hmm, I'm having a problem opening that page, just gives me a white screen and no loading bar

NewZJ said:
hmm, I'm having a problem opening that page, just gives me a white screen and no loading bar
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just go to cnn.com, the article is super easy to spot...

Apples lawyers probably demanded it be taken down.
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http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/innovation/12/28/tech.fails.year/index.html?hpt=C1
Here's the article

Yeah but fanboys and girls still love it cuz there is an apple logo on it!
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lol, apple has two of the top ten fails and they're one of the most respected tech companies, if it were top 11 maybe the ipad sans camera would be on there.
The only reason the nexus one is on there is how they marketed it, suppose you can also thank AT&T for later selling it without subsidizing it (589.99 for a phone?). I had forgotten about the whole Kin thing honestly. Also the 3D's tv as a failure.... not surprising, way too expensive for what you're getting.

IMHO the iphone 4 is an awesome device, for many reasons. I personally had an iphone 4 but ATT drove me to the wall and jumped ship. Currently I have an Evo 4g and it is also a great device, both having its strengths and weaknesses. **Flame Suit On**

Can't disagree with this list.
Although between Apple's ability to put a spin on things and their customer base being blind to anything negative when it comes to apple "Antennagate" wasn't as big of a deal as it should have been.

aerajan said:
Since I'm not a fan Apple I found this to be funny. Sure, you'll see some of Google's stuff listed but iPhone is first on the list.
http://m.cnn.com/primary/_pl3cVA-i2ZDb5bHzEG
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We all should dream of one day "failing" as badly as the iPhone 4 did.
What a nonsense post. iPhone is one of the most incredible success stories in modern history. The fact that most of us choose to use an Android device right now doesnt mean we have to go around spewing sour grapes. What Apple has done with iOS is just as amazing as what Google has done with Android. Both OSs can learn from each other and prosper side by side.

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Yeah but fanboys and girls still love it cuz there is an apple logo on it!
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apple fans are like mindless drones. steve jobs basically dictates to them what they can and cannot do with the iphone and apple products. it's pretty much the same with wp7 atm.

Mactagonist said:
We all should dream of one day "failing" as badly as the iPhone 4 did.
What a nonsense post. iPhone is one of the most incredible success stories in modern history. The fact that most of us choose to use an Android device right now doesnt mean we have to go around spewing sour grapes. What Apple has done with iOS is just as amazing as what Google has done with Android. Both OSs can learn from each other and prosper side by side.
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Here's the thing, the article is not thinking as if it was an Apple lover.
It's being non-bias.
What happened with the iPhone 4 is ridiculous.
If any other manufacturer would have slipped up like that they would likely be removed from the world.
But because Apple has the ability to put a spin on things and because Apple owners tend to be...well... they'll buy into whatever Apple says...so drones...it wasn't as big of a disaster as it WOULD HAVE BEEN [and should have been] if it wasn't Apple.

mattykinsx said:
Here's the thing, the article is not thinking as if it was an Apple lover.
It's being non-bias.
What happened with the iPhone 4 is ridiculous.
If any other manufacturer would have slipped up like that they would likely be removed from the world.
But because Apple has the ability to put a spin on things and because Apple owners tend to be...well... they'll buy into whatever Apple says...so drones...it wasn't as big of a disaster as it WOULD HAVE BEEN [and should have been] if it wasn't Apple.
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So? Because Apple has been successful enough at building their brand that a minor issue which effected way under 1% of users (.55% of iPhone 4 users complained about it, 1.7% of iPhone 4s were returned for any reason) failed to significantly damage their sales what? It isnt fair? Please. Apple hasnt always been the darling of the tech world. They fought, innovated and built their way to where they are now after hitting a low point that could easily have finished them.
"antennagate" was a tempest in teapot built up to drive blog traffic. It just isnt an issue in the real world for the average user, as sales numbers prove.
Google could learn a lot from Apple, they have suffered unfairly in the past because they bungled their handling of PR problems and completely failed to sell users on their new products initiatives. Think Apple would whiff the launch of something like Google TV or Buzz?
Just to say it again, we can be Android fans and choose to use Android devices without being haters. Apple is a great company that does a lot of things very well. The fact that I prefer the phones from another company right now doesnt change that.

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So? Because Apple has been successful enough at building their brand that a minor issue which effected way under 1% of users (.55% of iPhone 4 users complained about it, 1.7% of iPhone 4s were returned for any reason) failed to significantly damage their sales what? It isnt fair? Please. Apple hasnt always been the darling of the tech world. They fought, innovated and built their way to where they are now after hitting a low point that could easily have finished them.
"antennagate" was a tempest in teapot built up to drive blog traffic. It just isnt an issue in the real world for the average user, as sales numbers prove.
Google could learn a lot from Apple, they have suffered unfairly in the past because they bungled their handling of PR problems and completely failed to sell users on their new products initiatives. Think Apple would whiff the launch of something like Google TV or Buzz?
Just to say it again, we can be Android fans and choose to use Android devices without being haters. Apple is a great company that does a lot of things very well. The fact that I prefer the phones from another company right now doesnt change that.
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You're kinda not looking at this whole "antennagate" the right way. If I can remember correctly, it messed with the signal when gripped a certain way in the person's left hand. Now having said that, the stats you posted are true, but let's look at the big picture here...left hand. If that were reversed and it messed up when gripped with the right hand, story would've been different; which is why it all blew up. Not that many complaints came from it as expected because not that many people are left handed, but the fact that the problem could be demonstrated on tons of devices is the bad part, and thats why they are saying it was a failure. Now looking at iPhones as a whole, no, it's not a failure. But that article isn't looking at the past, it's looking at the device Apple is pushing right now. And if they were looking into the past, then the iPhone 4 would really look like a failure since the other iPhone's didn't have that problem. It's easy for some people to overlook that problem because now everyone basically just texts and emails or uses bluetooth for calling..but still, since that problem was there in the first place, that's kinda sad. A phone should be able to make a call without dropping it.

Mactagonist said:
So? Because Apple has been successful enough at building their brand that a minor issue which effected way under 1% of users (.55% of iPhone 4 users complained about it, 1.7% of iPhone 4s were returned for any reason) failed to significantly damage their sales what? It isnt fair? Please. Apple hasnt always been the darling of the tech world. They fought, innovated and built their way to where they are now after hitting a low point that could easily have finished them.
"antennagate" was a tempest in teapot built up to drive blog traffic. It just isnt an issue in the real world for the average user, as sales numbers prove.
Google could learn a lot from Apple, they have suffered unfairly in the past because they bungled their handling of PR problems and completely failed to sell users on their new products initiatives. Think Apple would whiff the launch of something like Google TV or Buzz?
Just to say it again, we can be Android fans and choose to use Android devices without being haters. Apple is a great company that does a lot of things very well. The fact that I prefer the phones from another company right now doesnt change that.
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Your assumption that because I like Android I hate Apple is silly.
I have hated Apple before I ever owned an Evo/Android phone.
I don't like Apple for these reasons listed here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10148741&postcount=30
I hate Apple.
They block apps because THEY don't agree with whatever the app is.
They blocked google voice for a year and a half because it was google.
They blocked a magazine app because it had more Android articles than IOS.
They blocked a wikileaks app.
They try to sue because people are "jail breaking" their phone that they purchase and so Apple tries to make it so that you simply buy a license for their products....yeah...**** you apple. If I would have own any of their products when I heard that they would have been sold immediately.
Only four examples of a million.
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As you can see NONE of that has ANYTHING to do with Android.
I also take great exception to you suggesting that apple is a "great company"
I have never owned an Apple product and I'm proud to say I never will.
ms79723 post above me covers the rest of your post.

My hatred of Apple has NOTHING to do with my owning an Android. I have an Android becuase I hate Apple. I use to have a Motorola Brick phone too. I don't hate bricks now.
I think they have done some very shady things and that is why I don't like them. They are what MS was to me several years ago.

Start a thread bashing Apple = JOY.
Start a thread criticizing Evo phone flaws = Thread locked.
Hilarious forums these have become.
I think a lot of you guys have become really sensitive and take your phone too personal. Its a friggin phone - get on with your life.

I don't hate Apple, in fact I think their user interface was revolutionary at the time.
My problem is that many people act like the iPhone is the genesis of smartphones. The reality is that Windows Mobile still had more features when the iPhone was first released (cough...multitasking and a huge software base). Unfortunately windows mobile was just plagued with a crappy interface.
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[OFFTOPIC] nokia and microsoft get engaged....

Ah bless. It should eventually produce some truly boring phones. Nokia should have gone android IMO? We will have to wait a long time for a Nokia Nexus N!

If that means they drop Meego, they can have a kick in the nuts from me!!!!
If not i forgive them

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If that means they drop Meego, they can have a kick in the nuts from me!!!!
If not i forgive them
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Symbian and meego are to be 'sidelined' according to BBC news so a swift kick to the nuts is in order. They putting all their chips on MS.....what an exciting partnership. I am sure apple are already living in fear

I don't get it.
I think Microsoft is a mistake, but if it works out it will benefit both sides.
It will be interesting to see what this will yield.
On another Note I see Meego can run Dalvik Turbo.
It seems to be something similar to Wine for linux, but for Android on Meego.
Basically you can run Android apps seamlessly on Meego.
I want to post link but I can't yet. So the Source is Linuxfordevices.com
Title is: "Dalvik ported to MeeGo, promising instant Android app compatibility"
With this development, I think they should have stuck to what they were doing, and made a deal with google to allow Android Market on their Meego Phones.
I understand there would be some sort of premium for them to do that, but damn that would be awesome, it might have killed android.
As much as I love Maemo for it's Multitasking capabilities, I don't like the provided Market on it. Not to mention Qt for Meego.
I hope they still release a Meego device.
Peace.
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This is going to be interesting
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This decision definitively benefits Microsoft more than Nokia. MSFT gets a great handset maker with international market. Nokia gets.... a new OS. I think Android would have definitively been a better choice.

I just think this partnership will produce some very dull devices that are locked down to the extreme. Now if they put some good Xbox functionality in a device.....that might be interesting.

willcpfc said:
Ah bless. It should eventually produce some truly boring phones. Nokia should have gone android IMO? We will have to wait a long time for a Nokia Nexus N!
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Yeah after i saw the news this morning i was like
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/11/us-nokia-elop-idUSTRE71A2T820110211
Nokia may you rest in peace
1979 - 2011

AllGamer said:
Yeah after i saw the news this morning i was like
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/11/us-nokia-elop-idUSTRE71A2T820110211
Nokia may you rest in peace
1979 - 2011
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LOL I cannot pretend I will miss them while they rest in peace...its been a long time since I thought "Damn I wish I had that Nokia"

I disagree entirely (having come from an n900 to a Nexus s just one week ago).
I hope for great things on the Nokia experimental side, and will be rooting for Meego in any form factor..
Win Mobile looks OK, but it's not my kinda thing, i would rather Android/Meego/Maemo anyday!
Symbian was good in it's day, it's just a bit "old hat" ...it for me is hard to fathom how they could make that maemo device and then stick with symbian as a main platform, lost respect from me for that alone!
I hope to see them thrive though, even if i will not buy the win7 devices, ALL mobile companies (inc. google) could do with the kick up the arse that comes from competition, any competition, is good for us all i say!
nyway .. ramble over ....out with the meego allready!!
the only thing i want to see RIP, is fanboi's ...they suck (from apple or android, or any other brand)

willcpfc said:
I just think this partnership will produce some very dull devices that are locked down to the extreme. Now if they put some good Xbox functionality in a device.....that might be interesting.
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I look at it this way:
When the iPhone was released it was absolutely, bar-none the best, easiest-to-use, most powerful smartphone on the market. It offered a device that anyone could jump into and use without much of a learning curve and as a result it gained a huge amount of market share. When the G1 launched it brought open-source and entirely different UI that allowed users to truly customize their phone experience. It took Google a bit longer but then started to take away from Apple's dominance. Now we have WP7 and I ask myself, what new or interesting features does it bring? You can't copy and paste, you can't customize it, you can't even add storage and the UI is basic and bland. I guess its sort of cool that it has the XBox live support, but that would only be a cool feature to XBox owners and I sold my XBox to get a PS3 because I was tired of paying Microsoft just to watch Netflix which I was already paying to watch. Besides, what is WP7 except Kin with a little more power? And I'm sure I don't need to explain how that worked out.
So to continue my line of thinking, Nokia made the wrong choice. I've seen no real sales figures on WP7 and I know one person who owns one and he happens to work for Microsoft. Actually, my sister's boyfriend who also works for Microsoft owns a Droid X so not even all their employees believe in the platform. Nokia is continuing its history of hitching itself to a wagon with a broken wheel. I was looking forward to Nokia Android devices but I won't lose any sleep over the loss and I won't lose any when they announce bankruptcy in a few months or years.

even the iPhones needs to accommodate the competition now
News: Apple Is Said to Work on Cheaper, Smaller IPhones
Nokia would have been way better off with Android

To us not in the Nokia boardroom it does seem a strange partnership. I mean we could all have told them that apple is king for most 'casual' phone users with android gaining general recognition and acceptance to. MS windows I really don't think will generate any excitement among the masses. Kev is right....what will they bring to the party? I guess accountants in crisp suits may be attracted to a windows device but would many under 25's be interested in MS office for mobile 2011?

willcpfc said:
To us not in the Nokia boardroom it does seem a strange partnership. I mean we could all have told them that apple is king for most 'casual' phone users with android gaining general recognition and acceptance to. MS windows I really don't think will generate any excitement among the masses. Kev is right....what will they bring to the party? I guess accountants in crisp suits may be attracted to a windows device but would many under 25's be interested in MS office for mobile 2011?
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Lol agreed but my name is Ken not Kevin kenvan is my first and last name pushed together hehe
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Nokia's CEO(?) isn't going to eat his own words and use Android. That isn't the world we live in. Although I'm curious to see what they can bring to the table. I remember Nokia used to bring out some awesome phones, but now it's just either Android phones or Apple's iPhone that gets everyones attention.

DKYang said:
Nokia's CEO(?) isn't going to eat his own words and use Android. That isn't the world we live in. Although I'm curious to see what they can bring to the table. I remember Nokia used to bring out some awesome phones, but now it's just either Android phones or Apple's iPhone that gets everyones attention.
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But they have a new CEO who isn't the one who made the Android is like pissing yourself to stay warm comment. And you can't just say its just Android phones, because as a result of Android, the playing field has been leveled. People get excited over Motorola phones the same as LG or HTC or Samsung or any other brand.

I am glad Nokia picked Microsoft.
Really, this is the best outcome for us, Android users.
Why?
Because this will trigger more competition, which will result more innovation from Google Android and Apple iOS (major players on smartphone. No RIM is not )
Believe me, you should be thankful to Nokia and Microsoft.

gogol said:
I am glad Nokia picked Microsoft.
Really, this is the best outcome for us, Android users.
Why?
Because this will trigger more competition, which will result more innovation from Google Android and Apple iOS (major players on smartphone. No RIM is not )
Believe me, you should be thankful to Nokia and Microsoft.
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I don't think Microsoft is much competition to either iOS or Android and I don't think either side sees them as such. Their market share, last I saw, was pathetic at best. I would prefer there was more hardware competition than software and another manufacturer pushing out high end hardware would have been just that.

kenvan19 said:
I don't think Microsoft is much competition to either iOS or Android and I don't think either side sees them as such. Their market share, last I saw, was pathetic at best. I would prefer there was more hardware competition than software and another manufacturer pushing out high end hardware would have been just that.
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exactly, i was really hoping to see some Nokia with Android love, but the moment they selected Microsoft... all hopes were gone.
I used to be a big Nokia fan, they always had the best hardware.

My apologies Ken I typed in haste. It certainly seems that poor Nokia has not inspired much enthusiasm. I am pleased not to own any Nokia shares...MS wont suffer half as much IF this strategy fails.

iPhone Market Share Dropping to ~15% in....the end of 2011!

http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS22762811
Android will get 39.5% market share this year! Gooo Evo & Android!

long live htc!

If they want more customers they need to offer more choices. It would be a lot harder of a decision for me if they offered a 4+ inch screen.
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aimbdd said:
If they want more customers they need to offer more choices. It would be a lot harder of a decision for me if they offered a 4+ inch screen.
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Well Steve was quoted as saying 4" mobile phones are like SUV's, who wants a 4"+ phone?
So, if they did come out with one, Steve would be a big ass hypocrite, which wouldn't be the first time.

Neo3D said:
Well Steve was quoted as saying 4" mobile phones are like SUV's, who wants a 4"+ phone?
So, if they did come out with one, Steve would be a big ass hypocrite, which wouldn't be the first time.
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Haha. Well he wont ever have my for a phone then ..
I wouldn't own an suv either. I tried to surf the web on an old hero... and it was painful (screen wise)

Our phones are mini personal computers. We like them to be as big as we can fit in our pockets while not being too bulky or heavy!
Also, regarding Steve Jobs making that comment, well, funny that he says that when his huge success right now is in the tablet industry and you see trendy Apple fanatics carry their iPad/2 everywhere they go! So, if a phone over 4" is an SUV and no one would want that, then the product fueling Apple so hard right now is, what, a jet?

Regarding what Steve jobs has said, I think the Evo is the perfect size.. I am a big guy also + I'm wearing carpenter jeans all the time. Still have plenty of room left in my pockets XD. Hell make the next evo after the 3d have a 4.5" screen just because they can.

One thing to consider is that Apple is not losing users (in fact, its still gaaining a lot of users), it just isn't growing as fast as Android. Some of you are talking about display size and features but like Windows the most likely answer is that Android is sweeping up the low end market. One of the most successful Android phones is the LG Optimus - a free or nearly free Android phone. I even bought two of them for relatives.
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Award Tour said:
One thing to consider is that Apple is not losing users (in fact, its still gaaining a lot of users), it just isn't growing as fast as Android. Some of you are talking about display size and features but like Windows the most likely answer is that Android is sweeping up the low end market. One of the most successful Android phones is the LG Optimus - a free or nearly free Android phone. I even bought two of them for relatives.
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Well, if their market share is shrinking to 15% by the end of the year, you bet they are losing users now. In the most recent report, they gained only 0.2% and that was including the Verizon iPhone launch, so w/o that, they were definitely in negative territory.
BTW, here's the quote:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/jobs-no-ones-going-to-buy-a-big-phone/

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Our phones are mini personal computers. We like them to be as big as we can fit in our pockets while not being too bulky or heavy!
Also, regarding Steve Jobs making that comment, well, funny that he says that when his huge success right now is in the tablet industry and you see trendy Apple fanatics carry their iPad/2 everywhere they go! So, if a phone over 4" is an SUV and no one would want that, then the product fueling Apple so hard right now is, what, a jet?
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You're totally right! What a hypocrite! It just proves that Steve will say anything to make money, EVEN LIE.
That sad part is that people are such sheep, they take it as gospel.

Neo3D said:
Well, if their market share is shrinking to 15% by the end of the year, you bet they are losing users now. In the most recent report, they gained only 0.2% and that was including the Verizon iPhone launch, so w/o that, they were definitely in negative territory.
BTW, here's the quote:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/jobs-no-ones-going-to-buy-a-big-phone/
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I think the assumption in your statement is that there will not be improvement in their hardware -- larger screen, dual cores, etc. -- or that a CDMA/LTE version doesn't hit Sprint. And that a GSM/LTE-or-HSPA+ version isn't made available to T-Mobile types. As an OS, Android may rule the roost in terms of market share, but with 30 different manufacturers making an Android device, that's not hard.
The rumors of the demise of the iPhone, I believe, are quite premature.

Neo3D said:
Well, if their market share is shrinking to 15% by the end of the year, you bet they are losing users now. In the most recent report, they gained only 0.2% and that was including the Verizon iPhone launch, so w/o that, they were definitely in negative territory.
BTW, here's the quote:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/jobs-no-ones-going-to-buy-a-big-phone/
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Share percentages != Absolute sales in numbers. .2% growth at this stage would be a lot more than .2% in its first year.
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TonyArmstrong said:
I think the assumption in your statement is that there will not be improvement in their hardware -- larger screen, dual cores, etc. -- or that a CDMA/LTE version doesn't hit Sprint. And that a GSM/LTE-or-HSPA+ version isn't made available to T-Mobile types. As an OS, Android may rule the roost in terms of market share, but with 30 different manufacturers making an Android device, that's not hard.
The rumors of the demise of the iPhone, I believe, are quite premature.
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Apple has around 7-10% of the desktop/laptop market, yet it's one of the most profitable laptop/desktop OEMs. The same to a larger extent applies to smartphones. Android is almost certainly growing because of low to mid end offerings, variability (large screens, keyboards) also surely play a part but its obvious that apple has a strong hold on the high end market.
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Apple has around 7-10% of the desktop/laptop market, yet it's one of the most profitable laptop/desktop OEMs. The same to a larger extent applies to smartphones. Android is almost certainly growing because of low to mid end offerings, variability (large screens, keyboards) also surely play a part but its obvious that apple has a strong hold on the high end market.
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+1. Apple is the greatest. A-p-p-l-e is the shiznit to me. Yay me
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Android is pretty much stemming the tide of the previously unstoppable Apple. While Apple will continue to draw in new customers and of course, rake in much profit, their stream of customers will be steady, rather than the outrageous numbers they've previously had.

Award Tour said:
Apple has around 7-10% of the desktop/laptop market, yet it's one of the most profitable laptop/desktop OEMs. The same to a larger extent applies to smartphones. Android is almost certainly growing because of low to mid end offerings, variability (large screens, keyboards) also surely play a part but its obvious that apple has a strong hold on the high end market.
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That's because Apple has created a sub-culture [of complete fools] where people believe every word that comes out of Jobs' mouth [http://www.geekwithlaptop.com/iphone-5-with-3d-camera] and are willing to pay two times the price just because of the sticker on the back.

mattykinsx said:
That's because Apple has created a sub-culture [of complete fools] where people believe every word that comes out of Jobs' mouth [http://www.geekwithlaptop.com/iphone-5-with-3d-camera] and are willing to pay two times the price just because of the sticker on the back.
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Of course. It has nothing to do with a preference towards a different OS or premium hardware build. Very few laptops come close, if at all, to a Macbook's build (materials, design, trackpad, keyboard, display, etc.). It IS expensive and you can definitely get more power for less, but you wont find the same build or a 100% stable build of OSX. Some people have different preferences but of course you think all of them are zombies - even the super techy, much better informed people I work with everyday.

Award Tour said:
Of course. It has nothing to do with a preference towards a different OS or premium hardware build. Very few laptops come close, if at all, to a Macbook's build (materials, design, trackpad, keyboard, display, etc.). It IS expensive and you can definitely get more power for less, but you wont find the same build or a 100% stable build of OSX. Some people have different preferences but of course you think all of them are zombies - even the super techy, much better informed people I work with everyday.
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I have to agree here. Similar laptops, cost similar amounts...
(Have you seen the price tag on the thin lenovos?)
I will only own mac laptops. Desktops, now thats a different story.

Award Tour said:
Of course. It has nothing to do with a preference towards a different OS or premium hardware build. Very few laptops come close, if at all, to a Macbook's build (materials, design, trackpad, keyboard, display, etc.). It IS expensive and you can definitely get more power for less, but you wont find the same build or a 100% stable build of OSX. Some people have different preferences but of course you think all of them are zombies - even the super techy, much better informed people I work with everyday.
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Here's what I know:
99/100 times an article like I posted is from an iphone place, not an Android place.
Moreover, my brother had a Mac. An iMac.
That thing was the biggest piece of **** ever.
With a sticker tag of little DOUBLE for the same specs of a Windows based system.
Thankfully his school paid for it and not him.
He actually went back and used his Acer Desktop to do his school work because of how terribly slow and crappy that computer was.
This is not about different preferences.
This is a cult following.

mattykinsx said:
Here's what I know:
99/100 times an article like I posted is from an iphone place, not an Android place.
Moreover, my brother had a Mac. An iMac.
That thing was the biggest piece of **** ever.
With a sticker tag of little DOUBLE for the same specs of a Windows based system.
Thankfully his school paid for it and not him.
He actually went back and used his Acer Desktop to do his school work because of how terribly slow and crappy that computer was.
This is not about different preferences.
This is a cult following.
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I would personally never own a iMac either, Macbooks are almost certainly the biggest pushers though and what we are talking about.

Apple lawsuit against HTC

http://www.ifans.com/blog/26252/
Found this yesterday. Why is Apple so (derogatory term)? What do u guys think? I personally love android and I have an ipod touch which even when u jailbreak and mod isn't nearly as customizable
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That's crazy!!! How can apple patent data structure. Or whatever the hell they did. I swear apple is skynet. Apple sucks I will never buy any apple product. +1 to the zune (forget iPod)
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Apple is running out of ways to innovate I think so is going after the competition.

Evo_Shift said:
Apple is running out of ways to innovate I think so is going after the competition.
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More or less this. Apple isn't used to real competition and they are getting desperate.
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Lol there just mad cus every new htc phone blows the iphone out of the water! They always try to innovate something thats been done.like there dual core chip sucks compared to the evo 3 d chip or other dual core phones and tablets.moneyhungry company wants all the money and to eliminate the competition noooot gunna happen i personally hate apple products theres too much to list about why they are overpriced and old technology that they claim to be breaking lol for example a 3k laptops p.c vs a macbook pro is not even a laughing matter its sad the p.c is way ahead in technology apples just trying to make people feel safe with there ****ty operating system that if u ask me sucks!!
southernstyle said:
http://www.ifans.com/blog/26252/
Found this yesterday. Why is Apple so (derogatory term)? What do u guys think? I personally love android and I have an ipod touch which even when u jailbreak and mod isn't nearly as customizable
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After reading both patents and the portions of the claims made by Apple, I suppose the ITC is right. HTC does infringe on the patents, but so does every other computer and smartphone manufacturer.
In the first patent, what Apple seems to have been allowed to process is the method by which a computer can search for, identify, and allocate actions to strings of data in a system comprising of a processor, ram, and disk storage. Kind of like the context menu used in every operating system produced today that has a graphical interface.
The second patent is a little harder to understand. It claims that Apple's people invented what boils down to symmetric multiprocessing using a WAN, so long as the device being used to process this plurality of realtime services to and from a number of independent applications and devices is embodied by a hardware device with programmable software. Which also sounds like just about any computer currently made.
I think the ITC will overrule the initial decision, given that both of these patents are old and these practices are in use worldwide by every computing company. If this were upheld, I can't think of a single smartphone manufacturer that would be allowed to import devices anymore.

Evo_Shift said:
Apple is running out of ways to innovate I think so is going after the competition.
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I think this is squarely an attack on free culture and open source software. I mean, I don't see why WP7 isn't infringing on these patents either.
When your competitor is open source and royalty-free, the only way to compete is by making a better product. Although others may disagree, I think Android is a far superior product - Apple's operating system has to run on about 10 devices, a lot of which are no longer supported - and since it's open source, its mindshare is essentially infinite, and it will continue improving beyond Apple's products.
Apple's other problem is their walled-garden approach. The reason they lost all their mindshare is because they choose not to produce something viable for a wide-range of devices. That's the primary reason they lost so much mindshare and market share. They introduced a market and immediately cordoned themselves off to a corner of it before they even had any competitors! The door was wide open for a competitor and of course, Google stepped in. There were others of course, like HP, Palm, maybe Intel and Microsoft but they never got their act together. I still shed a tear every time I think of Nokia and Symbian.
Let's not forget that these inventions are mind-numbingly obvious. If someone texts you a number, obviously you would want to call it or save it, right? Not to mention that email clients and webbrowsers have been autoformatting websites and email addresses since the dawn of time, so there's ubiquitous prior art out there. The first patent should be struck down immediately. I don't even know what the second patent is supposed to be, but it sounds really vague and BS.
Finally, what HTC says is true. It's sad that Apple's wasting not only their own resources, but all their enemies' resources as well on legal fees. What this is showing is that patent litigation is hampering innovation rather than stimulating it. In a fast-moving field like mobile development, where products are long since obsolete once they expire, software patents make no sense, they only hamper innovation, and they should be banned.

I agree, anyone ever thought of submitting a formal response to the lawsuit. I'm sure it it went to every xda forum we could a bunch of support. Its not perfect but its how out law system works. Lol, the ball has to start somewhere ya know?
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I agree with the point that Apple is not being innovative and scared of the competition. IOS hasn't changed at all, the devices are all by Apple and they are too locked down. Android is open source there are a good number of manufacturers which give ppl options. I own an iPod touch and its nice for playing music but theres really nothing to it. Most ppl who own apple products don't know anything about them. I know a lot of ppl who think that since its called iPhone 4G, they get 4G data. Now I can say that Apple started a huge thing with capacitive screens and the whole touch screen and apps, but a good business should keep coming up with new things instead of saying here's what we made, this is all you get, and everyone thinks its the best.
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Steve Jobs Resigns as Apple CEO

Wow, big announcement.
http://allthingsd.com/20110824/steve-jobs-resigns-as-ceo-of-apple/#bXpulseX
And the reaction in the stock market:
Apple Stock Falls After Steve Jobs Announces Departure
http://allthingsd.com/20110824/apple-stock-falls-after-jobs-announcement/#bXpulseX
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Hope he is not too bad off. Maybe the apple was poisoned
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armychris28210 said:
Hope he is not too bad off. Maybe the apple was poisoned
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lol
ill health though - bad times.

Cannot really say that I came as a surprise, considering his health problems. I just find it interesting, that he is doing it so close to the new Iphone 5 release. I already read the first Android Fanboy "He is just afraid, cause the new Crapple cannot compete with Android" and all that ****. Fanboys, you have to hate them, on either side.

They have too many smart people at Apple to fail. He'll still be affiliated with Apple so it's not that serious.

gqstatus0685 said:
They have too many smart people at Apple to fail. He'll still be affiliated with Apple so it's not that serious.
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I agree but it only takes one moron as a leasder to screw it up. I'm not saying Tim Cook will.
I am also surprised he made this move so close to the iPhone 5 launch he must be in much worse shape then he has let on.
I don't wish anything bad on anyone so lets hope he doesn't deteriorate any further.
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If Jobs were to leave--and with his health, it's when, not if--then this is the perfect time. He is at the peak of his success, and it's best to go out when you're on top.
It's good for the company as well. The iPhone5 will likely be another success, as will the eventual iPad3. These allow Cook to have an easy break-in period, not that he needs any. Impact on investor sentiment (company valuation) will be minimal.
Conceptually, I think Jobs has done all he can for Apple, even assuming he has another 5 years left in him. He has pioneered mobile computing, first with the iPhone, then with the iPad. These markets will take time to refine and mature, eg integration of desktop + mobile computing, and the next conceptual "big hit" won't be along for a while. For now, what's needed is execution, and Cook has been the operations guy for most of Jobs' second tenure. Apple can't do better even if Jobs were still in charge. And he still is, sort of. He's the chairman.
Apple won't be as dominant in mobile as it is today. The competition are getting better, and they have nowhere to go but up. Android already has more share in smartphones, and its open-source nature means adoption rate can only increase.
On tablets, price competition will drive non-iPad share. We saw an (extreme) example with the TouchPad fire sale. I see Android tabs selling well at the magic $300 mark. And unless Microsoft lays an egg with Win8, it'll still be the default upgrade path for the vast majority of the computing world as mobile becomes an extension of the desktop. I subscribe to that vision, that mobile devices can be as productive as desktops, not just for consuming media.

Many say that Cook is going to have an easy time to start off as Apple is at its peak right now....however, there is an important paradigm shift in Apple where they're trying to move iTunes to the cloud.
This is a tremendously difficult job and I thought Apple should have started on it long ago...now they are way behind Google in this aspect. And I don't see what they're proposing to be better than what Google is already offering to its user base.
Apple is going to have a tough time fighting back Android in the smart phone space if they don't do cloud right.

I'm no Apple FanBoy but Steve Jobs made Apple what it is today. I remember him dragging Apple out of the trash not too long ago. The man was genius.

And all of this is related to Xoom how?

dubie76 said:
And all of this is related to Xoom how?
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It's the general discussion forum, its major Tech related news, and its something to talk about?
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>however, there is an important paradigm shift in Apple where they're trying to move iTunes to the cloud.
Jobs' forte is in the physical product. His execution of online services was less than stellar, to wit, the defunct Mac.com and now MobileMe.com. His heavy-handed dealings with the various content owners only succeeded by dint of the success of Apple's hardware products. He's not a good negotiator--an "i" guy, not a "we" guy (excuse the pun).
The more pertinent question is how much of Apple's mystique is tied to Jobs' personality. Cook isn't a charismatic guy, nor is he a salesman. Then again, it's not like Jobs is dead. He's still around to rally the troops if needed.
For the near term, the way forward for Apple is clear: broadening its mobile product lines to compete in lower-priced tiers. Rumors of a cheaper iPhone abound, and despite what Jobs said, I wouldn't be surprised if Apple intros different iPad sizes (or integrate the iPod Touch into the iPad family) next year.
Plenty of opportunities for the Mac lines as well. MS is doing a crash course with Win8 into mobile because it has to, but Apple is going the same route. Lion has already taken the first step to integration with iOS.
>And all of this is related to Xoom how?
Relax, it's a worthwhile topic. It's not like this forum is overflowing with discussions that it can't handle a few extraneous threads.

without iPhone/iPad would we even have this discussion in the Xoom forum?
Some say the iWhatever really started the massive push into smartphones... and thus Android as something to compete on the same level

Lothaen said:
without iPhone/iPad would we even have this discussion in the Xoom forum?
Some say the iWhatever really started the massive push into smartphones... and thus Android as something to compete on the same level
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PalmOS and Blackberry (more Blackberry than Palm) started the massive push into smartphones. Even a year after the iPhone came out, I still heard "hit me up on BBM" more than "check out my iPhone" (that being the idiom of owning an iPhone at the time). I still hear people say "hit me up on BBM" and most of the active duty desk jockeys in the military are issued Blackberries. I know more people who own them than iPhones. So I refuse to give Apple credit for making smartphones popular. They were already popular, Apple just did it differently and they were given way too much credit for it.
I will give the evolution of tablets to Apple all day and night. The best we had in that area were a couple of failed projects from Microsoft about a decade ago and the dead technology known as "PDA". Then the iPad came out and made people want to stop sucking at making them. Had the iPad not been so ridiculously good and popular, the motivation to compete with it would never have existed and we would not have a Xoom.
So no, if Apple hadn't made the iPad, we would not be having this discussion on these Xoom forums and thus, the guy who made tablets popular stepping down from his chair on top of Apple land actually does matter to the Xoom. Logic FTW.
Personally, I'm happy that Steve Jobs is stepping down. I'm hoping that since his vehemence and enthusiasm toward selling the product is leaving the offices that Apple will cool down all these lawsuits. Perhaps attempt to compete more instead of "sue the guys doing better". Even if Android has overtaken iOS as the most used mobile OS, remember that Blackberry took it like a man when Apple did it to them.
Hope he gets better though. Even though I don't like the guy or his product whatsoever, wishing ill of people is just wrong.

Apple is going to rape Job's baby! They will put flash on all of their products!
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AbsolutZeroGI said:
PalmOS and Blackberry (more Blackberry than Palm) started the massive push into smartphones. Even a year after the iPhone came out, I still heard "hit me up on BBM" more than "check out my iPhone" (that being the idiom of owning an iPhone at the time). I still hear people say "hit me up on BBM" and most of the active duty desk jockeys in the military are issued Blackberries. I know more people who own them than iPhones. So I refuse to give Apple credit for making smartphones popular. They were already popular, Apple just did it differently and they were given way too much credit for it.
I will give the evolution of tablets to Apple all day and night. The best we had in that area were a couple of failed projects from Microsoft about a decade ago and the dead technology known as "PDA". Then the iPad came out and made people want to stop sucking at making them. Had the iPad not been so ridiculously good and popular, the motivation to compete with it would never have existed and we would not have a Xoom.
So no, if Apple hadn't made the iPad, we would not be having this discussion on these Xoom forums and thus, the guy who made tablets popular stepping down from his chair on top of Apple land actually does matter to the Xoom. Logic FTW.
Personally, I'm happy that Steve Jobs is stepping down. I'm hoping that since his vehemence and enthusiasm toward selling the product is leaving the offices that Apple will cool down all these lawsuits. Perhaps attempt to compete more instead of "sue the guys doing better". Even if Android has overtaken iOS as the most used mobile OS, remember that Blackberry took it like a man when Apple did it to them.
Hope he gets better though. Even though I don't like the guy or his product whatsoever, wishing ill of people is just wrong.
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Dude! Nice logical thinking! I have never liked Apple myself and never will. I'm Windows, not Mac... and I'm Android, not iOS. I do agree that Apple should not get any credit for "creating" the smartphone, if you will. The Blackberry name and RIM has been around for what... 10+ years now? I do believe that RIM is the winner there, not Apple. Blackberries were always on a higher tech level versus the basic phones or the later flip phones of their time before the iPhone came out. Why? Because a Blackberry is a business related phone that needs to do more than a basic phone, thus making it smarter than the average phone. Aha! A smartphone you say? Indeed!
You mentioned lawsuits... who remembers Apple suing the crap out of Microsoft in the 80's? Steve Jobs and Bill Gates were in a major war at the time for the big computer OS. Apple cried a lot and sued Microsoft a whole lot because they said that Windows was a Mac ripoff and that they had stolen everything that they had ever created... you know, normal Apple drama. Just look at Apple's roots... rotten to the core since the 1980's.
But, seriously... Apple has been this way since the dawn of time, and they will not ever change as long as Steve Jobs is still affiliated with the company name in some way, shape, or form. So, you can expect Apple to continue suing other companies because they think that they were the original company to create the cell phone, even though the cell phone has been around for how many years now? In reality, that's pretty much what they are stating as fact when it comes down to it. They say: Before the iPhone, there were no phones. How funny is that?
An interesting fact: "The first hand-held mobile phone was demonstrated by Dr. Martin Cooper of Motorola in 1973." He is the real mobile phone inventor. Thank him for the cell phone revolution, not Apple! Without him, we would not have any kind of cell phone to use at all. Think about that one while you sleep. A world without the cell phone. ^^
Oh yeah... I may not like Apple or Steve Jobs in the least bit, but you are correct when you say that you should not wish ill of one. That really is just wrong if a person were to do something like that.

Can't we all just agree that Al Gore invented the internet and move on?

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An interesting fact: "The first hand-held mobile phone was demonstrated by Dr. Martin Cooper of Motorola in 1973." He is the real mobile phone inventor. Thank him for the cell phone revolution, not Apple! Without him, we would not have any kind of cell phone to use at all. Think about that one while you sleep. A world without the cell phone. ^^
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and who pwns Moto?