Ah bless. It should eventually produce some truly boring phones. Nokia should have gone android IMO? We will have to wait a long time for a Nokia Nexus N!
If that means they drop Meego, they can have a kick in the nuts from me!!!!
If not i forgive them
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If that means they drop Meego, they can have a kick in the nuts from me!!!!
If not i forgive them
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Symbian and meego are to be 'sidelined' according to BBC news so a swift kick to the nuts is in order. They putting all their chips on MS.....what an exciting partnership. I am sure apple are already living in fear
I don't get it.
I think Microsoft is a mistake, but if it works out it will benefit both sides.
It will be interesting to see what this will yield.
On another Note I see Meego can run Dalvik Turbo.
It seems to be something similar to Wine for linux, but for Android on Meego.
Basically you can run Android apps seamlessly on Meego.
I want to post link but I can't yet. So the Source is Linuxfordevices.com
Title is: "Dalvik ported to MeeGo, promising instant Android app compatibility"
With this development, I think they should have stuck to what they were doing, and made a deal with google to allow Android Market on their Meego Phones.
I understand there would be some sort of premium for them to do that, but damn that would be awesome, it might have killed android.
As much as I love Maemo for it's Multitasking capabilities, I don't like the provided Market on it. Not to mention Qt for Meego.
I hope they still release a Meego device.
Peace.
IronSingh
This is going to be interesting
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This decision definitively benefits Microsoft more than Nokia. MSFT gets a great handset maker with international market. Nokia gets.... a new OS. I think Android would have definitively been a better choice.
I just think this partnership will produce some very dull devices that are locked down to the extreme. Now if they put some good Xbox functionality in a device.....that might be interesting.
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Ah bless. It should eventually produce some truly boring phones. Nokia should have gone android IMO? We will have to wait a long time for a Nokia Nexus N!
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Yeah after i saw the news this morning i was like
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/11/us-nokia-elop-idUSTRE71A2T820110211
Nokia may you rest in peace
1979 - 2011
AllGamer said:
Yeah after i saw the news this morning i was like
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/11/us-nokia-elop-idUSTRE71A2T820110211
Nokia may you rest in peace
1979 - 2011
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LOL I cannot pretend I will miss them while they rest in peace...its been a long time since I thought "Damn I wish I had that Nokia"
I disagree entirely (having come from an n900 to a Nexus s just one week ago).
I hope for great things on the Nokia experimental side, and will be rooting for Meego in any form factor..
Win Mobile looks OK, but it's not my kinda thing, i would rather Android/Meego/Maemo anyday!
Symbian was good in it's day, it's just a bit "old hat" ...it for me is hard to fathom how they could make that maemo device and then stick with symbian as a main platform, lost respect from me for that alone!
I hope to see them thrive though, even if i will not buy the win7 devices, ALL mobile companies (inc. google) could do with the kick up the arse that comes from competition, any competition, is good for us all i say!
nyway .. ramble over ....out with the meego allready!!
the only thing i want to see RIP, is fanboi's ...they suck (from apple or android, or any other brand)
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I just think this partnership will produce some very dull devices that are locked down to the extreme. Now if they put some good Xbox functionality in a device.....that might be interesting.
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I look at it this way:
When the iPhone was released it was absolutely, bar-none the best, easiest-to-use, most powerful smartphone on the market. It offered a device that anyone could jump into and use without much of a learning curve and as a result it gained a huge amount of market share. When the G1 launched it brought open-source and entirely different UI that allowed users to truly customize their phone experience. It took Google a bit longer but then started to take away from Apple's dominance. Now we have WP7 and I ask myself, what new or interesting features does it bring? You can't copy and paste, you can't customize it, you can't even add storage and the UI is basic and bland. I guess its sort of cool that it has the XBox live support, but that would only be a cool feature to XBox owners and I sold my XBox to get a PS3 because I was tired of paying Microsoft just to watch Netflix which I was already paying to watch. Besides, what is WP7 except Kin with a little more power? And I'm sure I don't need to explain how that worked out.
So to continue my line of thinking, Nokia made the wrong choice. I've seen no real sales figures on WP7 and I know one person who owns one and he happens to work for Microsoft. Actually, my sister's boyfriend who also works for Microsoft owns a Droid X so not even all their employees believe in the platform. Nokia is continuing its history of hitching itself to a wagon with a broken wheel. I was looking forward to Nokia Android devices but I won't lose any sleep over the loss and I won't lose any when they announce bankruptcy in a few months or years.
even the iPhones needs to accommodate the competition now
News: Apple Is Said to Work on Cheaper, Smaller IPhones
Nokia would have been way better off with Android
To us not in the Nokia boardroom it does seem a strange partnership. I mean we could all have told them that apple is king for most 'casual' phone users with android gaining general recognition and acceptance to. MS windows I really don't think will generate any excitement among the masses. Kev is right....what will they bring to the party? I guess accountants in crisp suits may be attracted to a windows device but would many under 25's be interested in MS office for mobile 2011?
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To us not in the Nokia boardroom it does seem a strange partnership. I mean we could all have told them that apple is king for most 'casual' phone users with android gaining general recognition and acceptance to. MS windows I really don't think will generate any excitement among the masses. Kev is right....what will they bring to the party? I guess accountants in crisp suits may be attracted to a windows device but would many under 25's be interested in MS office for mobile 2011?
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Lol agreed but my name is Ken not Kevin kenvan is my first and last name pushed together hehe
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Nokia's CEO(?) isn't going to eat his own words and use Android. That isn't the world we live in. Although I'm curious to see what they can bring to the table. I remember Nokia used to bring out some awesome phones, but now it's just either Android phones or Apple's iPhone that gets everyones attention.
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Nokia's CEO(?) isn't going to eat his own words and use Android. That isn't the world we live in. Although I'm curious to see what they can bring to the table. I remember Nokia used to bring out some awesome phones, but now it's just either Android phones or Apple's iPhone that gets everyones attention.
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But they have a new CEO who isn't the one who made the Android is like pissing yourself to stay warm comment. And you can't just say its just Android phones, because as a result of Android, the playing field has been leveled. People get excited over Motorola phones the same as LG or HTC or Samsung or any other brand.
I am glad Nokia picked Microsoft.
Really, this is the best outcome for us, Android users.
Why?
Because this will trigger more competition, which will result more innovation from Google Android and Apple iOS (major players on smartphone. No RIM is not )
Believe me, you should be thankful to Nokia and Microsoft.
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I am glad Nokia picked Microsoft.
Really, this is the best outcome for us, Android users.
Why?
Because this will trigger more competition, which will result more innovation from Google Android and Apple iOS (major players on smartphone. No RIM is not )
Believe me, you should be thankful to Nokia and Microsoft.
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I don't think Microsoft is much competition to either iOS or Android and I don't think either side sees them as such. Their market share, last I saw, was pathetic at best. I would prefer there was more hardware competition than software and another manufacturer pushing out high end hardware would have been just that.
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I don't think Microsoft is much competition to either iOS or Android and I don't think either side sees them as such. Their market share, last I saw, was pathetic at best. I would prefer there was more hardware competition than software and another manufacturer pushing out high end hardware would have been just that.
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exactly, i was really hoping to see some Nokia with Android love, but the moment they selected Microsoft... all hopes were gone.
I used to be a big Nokia fan, they always had the best hardware.
My apologies Ken I typed in haste. It certainly seems that poor Nokia has not inspired much enthusiasm. I am pleased not to own any Nokia shares...MS wont suffer half as much IF this strategy fails.
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Looks like HTC is considering creating their own smartphone OS:
http://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=5814
Good idea or a bad one? I vote bad since it does nothing but dilute the market even further. And while their Sense UI on WinMo may be buggy because of the fact that it runs on top of WinMo, it's not encouraging to see that they haven't found a way to fix the problem with their text messaging app after all this time.
And who will write apps for that OS?
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Bad Idea.
Android is too new to just write it off at this point in the game. I know it has its issues, but I personally think it's the future.
Windows Phone 7 is brand-spankin' new. I don't like it, considering all that I've heard about it. Like how they plan to lock it down. But if they can get a decent app store up and running, they could be competing with Apple very quickly. Never count Microsoft out. Google made that mistake and now look at Bing.
iPhone OS 4.0: Apple pretty much just granted 90% of the wishes that people harbored. Sure, it's still locked down, but my friends swear by their iPhones. Personally, I can't stand 'em. I even gave my 2yo daughter my iPod Touch (2nd Gen), no joke.
Maemo and Nokia are now in bed together, which means that Android is in for a world of hurt, at least in Japan and Europe.
Too many cell phone manufacturers roll their own OS. This is always a problem with people like me, who want to be able to control their phones.
If HTC were to release the OS source code, I would be happy to give it a shot. Unfortunately that only happens when the OS is based on an already-open system, like Linux
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Ack, looks like I can't add it after I create it. Perhaps a mod can add it for me.
HTC is currently believed to be the leader in the pack of companies that are expressing interest in buying Palm, now that it's officially accepting offers.
WebOS is a great operating system just looking for some proper hardware and market penetration...and we all know who has plenty of both!
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HTC is currently believed to be the leader in the pack of companies that are expressing interest in buying Palm, now that it's officially accepting offers.
WebOS is a great operating system just looking for some proper hardware and market penetration...and we all know who has plenty of both!
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WebOS, under proper management and direction, and coupled with HTC's literal hardware design genius could be something I'd consider serious potential competition for Android.
Sorry if it is off topic but a 4g blackberry tablet with a dual core processor what do you guys think
http://now.sprint.com/playbook/
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BlackBerry? That's unexpected.
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BlackBerry? That's unexpected.
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It's been known for a while now. Well, except Sprint officially carrying it. But um, who'd want a RIM product? iOS, Android, and WP7 are going to have the most support by both developers and community.
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It's been known for a while now. Well, except Sprint officially carrying it. But um, who'd want a RIM product? iOS, Android, and WP7 are going to have the most support by both developers and community.
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Yeah, I did some research and it was supposed to be WiFi only and/or allow tethering to an existing BB phone to power the tablet.
Smart of them to change their minds, they would not be able to compete without data. 4G can't hurt.
idk it is a blackberry and running their os. could be drama in the long end, but if the hardware is in there for 4g, that makes me believe that you could set it up as a phone with a dialer... could be a combo of old school meets new school.
a Blackberry tablet ...
... who was the fool at Sprint who green-lighted backing this hot mess? RIMs target audience and the typical tablets target audience aren't even close to the same focus groups ... a square peg/round hole failure. Has RIM ever competed in the home user space? Apple at least has worked in that arena, Google clouds absolutely everything, RIM does ... well ... email.
I predict failure here.
looks nice probably be nice for corporate email? I just do not want a tablet tied to contract and do not want some just no name tablet.
From what I hear there's no built in support for calendar or email - those features won't work unless tethered to a blackberry. The os is actually supposed to be pretty impressive though.
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The tablet looks well built..i hate blackberry os, but i would consider rocking this. I signed up for alerts.
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a Blackberry tablet ...
... who was the fool at Sprint who green-lighted backing this hot mess? RIMs target audience and the typical tablets target audience aren't even close to the same focus groups ... a square peg/round hole failure. Has RIM ever competed in the home user space? Apple at least has worked in that arena, Google clouds absolutely everything, RIM does ... well ... email.
I predict failure here.
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To answer that question I'd have to say yes! I love that there is this huge envisioning by the tech world that BB is only used by businesses.
BB may not do nearly as much marketing and focus on non-business users, but I can say that 35-45% of my friends have a BB as their PERSONAL phone. Not because all of the "business" advantage, but because BB makes attractive, ergonomic, simple to use phones and people do buy them. Not to mention brand recognition, how many people do you know that wouldn't know what "blackberry" is?
Now ask that same person about "android" or "WP7"...
The re-written BB OS is actually pretty sleek looking IMO, so I wouldn't say it's a completely horrible idea for Sprint to take this on. Plus many of the businesses would certainly fall into the potential for stocking these up given their employees are all robots equipped with BBs...
Meh...
Just because it's not Google/Apple/Microsoft doesn't mean it won't be a success or that it's a "hot mess".
Les we forget that RIM was top of the mobile world for a long time.
mattykinsx said:
Meh...
Just because it's not Google/Apple/Microsoft doesn't mean it won't be a success or that it's a "hot mess".
Les we forget that RIM was top of the mobile world for a long time.
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RIM is a sinking ship. Of all the OS', BBOS is destined to have the least support from developers. Their SDK is also based on AIR/Flash, a dying platform if I ever seen one.
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RIM is a sinking ship. Of all the OS', BBOS is destined to have the least support from developers. Their SDK is also based on AIR/Flash, a dying platform if I ever seen one.
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I think with a nice breath of fresh air they can be a competitor again.
Having the user base, even though it is dwindling, definitely puts them in a good position still.
I think it's really silly to count anyone out at this point in any mobile business, ESPECIALLY tablets.
Per example, Android was practically NOTHING last year...
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The difference is that Android was a startup that was growing from nothing. RIM is a dinosaur that is dying and making mistakes by frantically looking for solutions.
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The difference is that Android was a startup that was growing from nothing. RIM is a dinosaur that is dying and making mistakes by frantically looking for solutions.
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I can come up with 100 logical reasons why Android shouldn't be where it's at right now.
I think this tablet could help revive BB.
And I certainly don't think it's silly for Sprint to carry it.
With the lack of Sprint news from CES I was very surprised by this move.. Of all the tablets with that mobile focus mentioned a few months ago the PlayBook was the one I was most excited about. Unfortunately I doubt it will be a star by the time it releases as I've already seen a number of tablets from CES that would mop the floor with the PlayBook.
It'll be 4-6 months before we make another mover forward with a new halo handset IMO.
I would buy one of the blackberry tablets before I bought a crummy apple tablet... Apple is a joke and there os is even more of joke... But android on the other hand is far superior to any other tablet out there. If the android tablets didnt exist I would definitley buy a blackberry tablet though.
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Apple was a dying dinosaur before Steve Jobs came back and then they came up with new computer designs and took off with the ibook, ipod, etc.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/08/nokia-ceo-stephen-elop-rallies-troops-in-brutally-honest-burnin/
so it appears that Nokia is no longer staying idle as their company loses huge margins in the cell phone arena. According to the above article there is a chance that they might join the android team!
IMO that would be awesome. Nokia "still imo" the best phone manufacturer out there. Faaaar superior to Motorola, HTC and Samsung combined. Their phones are always aesthetically pleasing and much more thought out than the *cough* dual screen phones coming.
While Motorola, Htc and samsung are decent phone manufacturers, I think if Nokia jumped ship then android would really be an unstoppable force.
EDIT
WE LOSE ):
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/exclusive-nokias-windows-phone-7-concept-revealed/
that is one sexy ass looking phone!
It could also be wp7 though. I believe one of their technology officers used to be a high up at microsoft before he went to work at nokia.
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It could also be wp7 though. I believe one of their technology officers used to be a high up at microsoft before he went to work at nokia.
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yeah I know... That would give wp7 a lot of leverage in the game since they came in late... I'm still hoping the at least get into the high end android game. I just love their phones soooo much. They do everything right except for the software.
Their 8mp cameras from 2 years ago are far superior to our 8 and 5mp's today...
If they do go android, even with part of their lineup, it would definitely push android over the top in os distribution! So that is who I am rooting for Don't they have some sort of shareholder conference or something this week?
I'd buy day one...best cameras, though their phones have been kind of ugly recently.
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If they do go android, even with part of their lineup, it would definitely push android over the top in os distribution! So that is who I am rooting for Don't they have some sort of shareholder conference or something this week?
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I'm not sure about that, but I know that the article I posted says that they will be talking about their new game plan February 11th. I'm assuming by then we may get a hint as if they will try and catalyze their own OS or jump on board with android/wp7...
The most recent nokia phone that I got to play with was the N8 and holy cow was that phone amazing. It was by far the most solid feeling phone that I ever held and the touch screen was superb. The software itself wasn't too shabby neither....
I really think that Nokia can utilize android to its fullest potential. The extent at which they polish their devices is remarkable.
a dual core nokia phone would be my dream come true.
I use to like nokia (minus the garbage battery locks), then they had to shut down all their factories in the us and move to china.
Screw them.
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they were great... over 10yrs ago...
but...
W7 needs help to get a jump start
nokia needs a huge savior...
looks like ...
microsoft will love to get an experienced mgfr to back them.
Nokia needs a new OS to plan thier future on...
both will most likely do anything to get love for the other....
match made in heaven!
but if they do get android.. that would be so great!!!
And they chose microsoft, go figure. lol
I was reading an article on Android Police the other day entitled Why Android's Greatest Threat Isn't Apple - It's Microsoft.
I think the article has a lot of merit - the author could quite well be spot on.
I don't know about anyone else but I've been so focused on the Google and Apple recently that I didn't even stop to think about where Microsoft has been lately and what they've been up to.
Everyday there is something in the news about Google and/or Apple - their new products, services, another lawsuit or otherwise - there is always something. As for Microsoft, in comparison there is virtually nothing - or at least nothing of great interest.
All of sudden, out of no where, Microsoft announces the release of Surface. A day or two later, Windows Phone 8.
Surface, from what I've seen and read about it so far looks quite promising. Whether it's an iPad killer, or even whether it will make any dint at all in the tablet market is yet to be seen but in any case, I think it stands a good chance.
Windows Phone 8 is what's really grabbing my attention. The more I read about it the more intrigued I am to actually get my hands on one and test it out.
I've been a die hand Android/Google fan for a few years now and absolutely love Google's products and services - I never thought I would be dragged from them. There is something about Windows Phone 8, and even Microsoft in general recently that is causing me to pay great attention to what they are up to.
Do you think that Microsoft is a force to be reckoned with? If they play the game correctly, do you think we could see Microsoft taking on Apple and Google with brute force?
Obviously Microsoft is going to have to work damn hard to put even a dint in the tablet and smart phone market at the moment but if executed correctly, I think they have real potential to seriously cause some damage and shake up the market to a great extent.
I'm just throwing a few random thoughts and ideas out there. I could be way off and the release of Surface and Windows Phone 8 wont make one bit of difference at all. Time will tell I guess.
Your thoughts?
They're screwing over everyone who recently bought into them, namely the Lumia 900 crowd. I can't believe they're "starting over" just like after they killed Windows Mobile. The public outrage would be enormous if Android did such a thing. Announcing a new software version and then saying that ZERO previous devices, even very recent ones, would get the update is insane. MS shoots themselves in the foot once again, right after things started to look promising. They just can't do anything right in the mobile market.
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They're screwing over everyone who recently bought into them, namely the Lumia 900 crowd. I can't believe they're "starting over" just like after they killed Windows Mobile. The public outrage would be enormous if Android did such a thing. Announcing a new software version and then saying that ZERO previous devices, even very recent ones, would get the update is insane. MS shoots themselves in the foot once again, right after things started to look promising. They just can't do anything right in the mobile market.
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I totally agree with this. As a show of good faith, MS should allow early adopters to trade phones when the new ones come out. Something like $100 credit for the Lumia 710, $200 for the 800, $300 for the 900 etc.
But they would never do that.
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They're screwing over everyone who recently bought into them, namely the Lumia 900 crowd. I can't believe they're "starting over" just like after they killed Windows Mobile. The public outrage would be enormous if Android did such a thing. Announcing a new software version and then saying that ZERO previous devices, even very recent ones, would get the update is insane. MS shoots themselves in the foot once again, right after things started to look promising. They just can't do anything right in the mobile market.
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The only thing I don't agree is with the android part. Ics is on so few phones. Mostly only new ones are getting (especially moto phones). Unofficially yeah a lot of android phones have gotten Ics but officially not much.
I'm waiting for an mobile os as good as a desktop/laptop os. The hardware is better then my first real computer (I mean my windows me my first computer was runing windows 3.1 on a 486).
I would love to see that but for now I can only dream.
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I think Microsft is in full panic mode. The Iphone/Ipad and Android devices have shown the average consumer that they dont need Windows any more. Microsoft is scrambling to unify their interface so that they can hang on to curent customers. WP7/7.5 was a stopgap mesure to introduce the UI but fill the void while they readied Windows 8. unfourtunatly it might already be too late as the consumer market moves to Android and IOS and Windows 7 is looking like its going to be XP's second comming. (corporate use which is just starting to adopt win 7 will hang on to it for the next 15 years like XP) Windows 8 will just kinda pop in and out like Vista did. wich is good for the consumer becaus finally after 20 years of windows being the only game in town we will have choice. the big thing i think Microsoft missed and Google is just getting is the the secret to IOS's sccess was the content not the device itself. Apple got it all going in the 2003 with Itunes music store.
I used to be a WM man.....
....Until they stopped supporting it, then I went over to Android and never looked back, I would never trust Microsoft again, I can see the same thing happening again if they deem there is not enough profit in it for them.
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The only thing I don't agree is with the android part. Ics is on so few phones. Mostly only new ones are getting (especially moto phones). Unofficially yeah a lot of android phones have gotten Ics but officially not much.
I'm waiting for an mobile os as good as a desktop/laptop os. The hardware is better then my first real computer (I mean my windows me my first computer was runing windows 3.1 on a 486).
I would love to see that but for now I can only dream.
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The point I was emphasizing was that MS abandoned literally every previous phone. The Lumia was a flagship that just came out a few months ago. Thats like the HTC One X not getting a new software update if it were to come the next few months. Anyone who recently signed a contract for a WP7 I feel sincerely sorry for them.
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I agree that Microsoft has made some mistakes, especially with the upgrade fiasco because that was one of the claimed benefits to Microsoft, that like apple Microsoft controlled the update process and surely if you bought a phone you would see the newest update.
Although that doesn't bother me so much as I haven't gotten a wp7 device to get shafted. Wp8 does look intriguing. Especially the the amount that the mobile and pc operating share code. Hell directX support would make games awesome. However, one thing that after going from windows mobile and android that I don't see myself doing without, is the possibility to side load and use a file explorer. Without that I don't see myself using a smart phone is without that. It's just less pc like to me. If that was possible, Wp8 would look very promising. But heres to Microsoft riding Apple's coattails.
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I have been intrigued by windows phone 7 for a while now but I held back from getting one for one reason...windows 8 or whatever they were gonna call it. Basically I wanted to sit back and see how they were gonna further develop the platform to real big maturity.
The os itself looks really promising and smooth and has a lot of potential. I love the idea of live tiles and the metro UI. I'm quite sure I will be getting a windows 8 device and it won't be a PC first off either! Perhaps a tablet of smartphone.
I think windows is indeed perhaps the biggest threat to android in the long term. Unless apple really bring some innovation and make some changes to that plain boring iOS user interface. But yes windows phone 8 looks awesome and has loads and loads of potential.
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I feel that android and iOS in the phone industry will always be stable, people don't need to photoshop something or do something that requires a laptop or desktop on their cellphones. I do however believe android's and iOS's greatest threats is windows 8 on tablets whether its arm based or x86/x64 based just because its a better purchase, you have a laptop when you need it and a tablet when your on the go, that's one of the reasons why I replaced my laptop with the acer w500 tablet
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PC for general : Linux Mint
Tablet : iPad and Touchpad running CM9
Phone : S2 so Android with plenty of ROM options.
Would I switch to a Windows 8 phone? No because Microsoft are now so far behind Google and Apple it hurts.
Windows? Windied more like.
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They're screwing over everyone who recently bought into them, namely the Lumia 900 crowd. I can't believe they're "starting over" just like after they killed Windows Mobile. The public outrage would be enormous if Android did such a thing. Announcing a new software version and then saying that ZERO previous devices, even very recent ones, would get the update is insane. MS shoots themselves in the foot once again, right after things started to look promising. They just can't do anything right in the mobile market.
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I completely agree. I hate this kind of planned obsolescence. I used to think Apple was the worst, with their soldered-in CPUs, lack of support for standard storage expansion like MicroSD, batteries that can't be user replaced, and cutting features from major iOS updates to older iPhones for no technical reason. However, Microsoft is really taking the cake here. Not only is it bad for consumers, but it's bad for the environment. We're already a society that generates a ridiculous amount of tech waste, and Microsoft isn't helping. In comparison, Apple is looking pretty good, because when iOS6 comes out, it'll run on the year old iPhone 4S, 2-year old iPhone 4, and 3-year old iPhone 3GS which will be 4-generations behind by that point.
When it comes to planned obsolescence, it looks like Microsoft now takes top honors for being the worst. I used to be pro-Microsoft, but now I hope they miss every sales benchmark.
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PC for general : Linux Mint
Tablet : iPad and Touchpad running CM9
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Would I switch to a Windows 8 phone? No because Microsoft are now so far behind Google and Apple it hurts.
Windows? Windied more like.
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Behind by what metric? Sales? Sure. Technologically? After yesterday I really don't think that's the case. I am not sold on the entire interface and metro design ideas, but you can see the phones are pretty capable. If anyone is behind to me, it seems like Apple is woefully behind...
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I completely agree. I hate this kind of planned obsolescence. I used to think Apple was the worst, with their soldered-in CPUs, lack of support for standard storage expansion like MicroSD, batteries that can't be user replaced, and cutting features from major iOS updates to older iPhones for no technical reason. However, Microsoft is really taking the cake here. Not only is it bad for consumers, but it's bad for the environment. We're already a society that generates a ridiculous amount of tech waste, and Microsoft isn't helping. In comparison, Apple is looking pretty good, because when iOS6 comes out, it'll run on the year old iPhone 4S, 2-year old iPhone 4, and 3-year old iPhone 3GS which will be 4-generations behind by that point.
When it comes to planned obsolescence, it looks like Microsoft now takes top honors for being the worst. I used to be pro-Microsoft, but now I hope they miss every sales benchmark.
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Go look at the feature list for all those older phones with iOS 6 installed. For the most part, it's an upgrade in name only. Planned obsolescence? I am running the iOS 6 beta right now on a 4S and it is quite obvious the next iPhone will have a taller screen. So many interface elements now feel cramped and the "window" into the OS now seems much too small. This includes the design for the App Store, the new Maps, etc. It actually seems to me, quite clearly, that the ONLY "very good" iOS 6 experience will be occurring on the new iPhone.
The bottom line is that the upgrade experience on all of these mobile devices is incredibly poor. No one really does it right. At this point they should be as open as PCs. You buy a phone, you install whatever OS or software you want. The idea that carriers, and to a lesser extent OEMs, have any say on this over the user is ludicrous.
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Go look at the feature list for all those older phones with iOS 6 installed. For the most part, it's an upgrade in name only. Planned obsolescence? I am running the iOS 6 beta right now on a 4S and it is quite obvious the next iPhone will have a taller screen. So many interface elements now feel cramped and the "window" into the OS now seems much too small. This includes the design for the App Store, the new Maps, etc. It actually seems to me, quite clearly, that the ONLY "very good" iOS 6 experience will be occurring on the new iPhone.
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I haven't actually tried iOS 6 so I can't comment on the user experience, but it'll be more than just an upgrade in name. Since the core framework and kernel are being updated as well, it will run apps that are specifically compiled for iOS 6. It may not be the best user experience, but at least it won't leave people with old devices completely unable to run newer apps.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not praising Apple, but they are certainly looking better than Microsoft in how they treat their existing mobile users. It's completely the opposite of their philosophy with their desktop OS. Windows 7 was supposed to have lower system requirements than Vista so it could run well on older, existing hardware.
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I haven't actually tried iOS 6 so I can't comment on the user experience, but it'll be more than just an upgrade in name. Since the core framework and kernel are being updated as well, it will run apps that are specifically compiled for iOS 6. It may not be the best user experience, but at least it won't leave people with old devices completely unable to run newer apps.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not praising Apple, but they are certainly looking better than Microsoft in how they treat their existing mobile users. It's completely the opposite of their philosophy with their desktop OS. Windows 7 was supposed to have lower system requirements than Vista so it could run well on older, existing hardware.
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after owning an iphone 3gs I can say that it is a name upgrade only, when my device was upgraded to ios 4 not only was it slow, but it was crashing when I was trying to run apps that were designed for ios 4 and tbh id rather have not been upgraded than have been upgraded to software that was crashing my phone and making it almost impossible to use
sure you get an upgrade but tbh if a phone cant handle a newer os wouldn't it be better to have a good user experience on an earlier version and miss out on some of the new things than it is to have one like I described above
now I'm not defending Microsoft for dumping windows phone 7 for what ever the hell is next but apple is just as bad for breaking peoples phones so they HAVE to buy new ones because of how unusable their phones become
Is this the right place for the 7.8 debate? There's loads of threads for that already.
On topic, I think Microsoft are a threat to everyone right now. Apps on WP8 are potentially far more powerful than those on iOS or Android. The stuff they were talking about in that presentation is pretty stunning, with some amazing possibilities.
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Is this the right place for the 7.8 debate? There's loads of threads for that already.
On topic, I think Microsoft are a threat to everyone right now. Apps on WP8 are potentially far more powerful than those on iOS or Android. The stuff they were talking about in that presentation is pretty stunning, with some amazing possibilities.
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They may be more powerful but the development cost and end price will be higher to recoup the investment from a smaller install base.
I found the lacks of apps and high price of apps the downside of my win 7 phone.
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Microsoft is a huge threat to everyone now. At first Microsoft products didn't communicate good with each other, now you're looking at a real ecosystem. App parity on all of your devices. Same application on the PC phone and tablet. No one else can provide that right now.
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They may be more powerful but the development cost and end price will be higher to recoup the investment from a smaller install base.
I found the lacks of apps and high price of apps the downside of my win 7 phone.
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like yourself I also found windows phone 7 to be tasteless for the same reason, but you have to remember this is windows 8, a computer os, not a phone one, you can run every app you can from your desktop on x86 tablets and hybrids
the arm version I'm a bit skeptical about but there is going to be a way to emulate x86/x64 apps on the arm tablets, whether its official or through a company like VMware.
plus its not just about the apps but its also the games that improve as well, you can play full pc games on windows 8 along side with those mini games like angry birds and fruit ninja. not very many tablets out there that can play just cause 2 or call of duty, plus with xbox live integrated it will be a HUGE calling for children who use xbox live on a daily basis, heck its not even kids that will enjoy the xbox live integration, adults can as well. imagine playing hydro thunder or some other multiplayer game with your child while you are out of state/country
windows 8 does pose a huge threat to the android and iOS tablet market shares, sure its not gonna kill them off completely because you got your fan boys on both ends but its gonna be like the pc market share is now 90% windows, 9% apple, 1% inux/android
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Microsoft is a huge threat to everyone now. At first Microsoft products didn't communicate good with each other, now you're looking at a real ecosystem. App parity on all of your devices. Same application on the PC phone and tablet. No one else can provide that right now.
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^THIS
vetvito said:
Microsoft is a huge threat to everyone now. At first Microsoft products didn't communicate good with each other, now you're looking at a real ecosystem. App parity on all of your devices. Same application on the PC phone and tablet. No one else can provide that right now.
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Actually, Both in Plat Store and Apple Apps Store, There are what we call universal apps fir both phone and tablet. 1 app for 2 devices. nothing new. Except for the PC part
i wondered how long this would take... what do windows phone /nokia folks think of the looks of this ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tRZxM9rNyZ4
looks to me like wp8.5 / wp9 better reallllly be on it's game if it wants to solidify third place in 2013.
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Nice video
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i wondered how long this would take... what do windows phone /nokia folks think of the looks of this ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tRZxM9rNyZ4
looks to me like wp8.5 / wp9 better reallllly be on it's game if it wants to solidify third place in 2013.
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Really didn't see anything my WP doesn't do or even my WP7.......I would like to see more but nice video nonetheless
Only problems I see will be the hardware and distribution.
Otherwise it could be a home run.
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Am I wrong, or does the home screen pretty much look like BB10? It is nice looking and well designed, but doesn't seem especially functional. I'm sure BB10 will bring much more competition to WP8 than this will.
They should probably be hoping that someone like Samsung buys them out because I don't see how this thing will have any chance at success.
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Am I wrong, or does the home screen pretty much look like BB10? It is nice looking and well designed, but doesn't seem especially functional. I'm sure BB10 will bring much more competition to WP8 than this will.
They should probably be hoping that someone like Samsung buys them out because I don't see how this thing will have any chance at success.
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"bring competition to wp8" ?
third place is still up for grabs between meego/jolla, bb10, wpx, and whoever is still left.
keep in mind, this "thing" was started by the engineers of nokia, pre-elop'd nokia... remember them ?
annnnd, they built in the possiblity to run android apps, so their app market will be huge, immediately.
never underestimate the engineers.
more than anything I was curious what the wp folks that were impressed by tiles thought of the ui.
buffalosolja42 said:
Really didn't see anything my WP doesn't do or even my WP7.......I would like to see more but nice video nonetheless
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Agreed. the other perspective is, it will be doing everything your current ios/droid/wp7 or 8 does, in its very first release...
I wonder how well it handles resources and multitasks. looks smooth so far.
Its Meego engineers, multitasking will be amazing.
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Its a modded android. The square interface with photos and music has been around for some time now.
mcosmin222 said:
Its a modded android. The square interface with photos and music has been around for some time now.
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I second this, you can even see the Android logo clear as day at the 0:50 mark.
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Its a modded android. The square interface with photos and music has been around for some time now.
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Lol
This does look cool, Caught sight few days ago, As far as I can tell it's Meego developers continuing their work after leaving Nokia, #sailfish , Can't see it being a threat to ios or Android but maybe to Wp depending on how the final relase pans out, All I can say is keep your eyes on jolla as it's certainly got potential.
It looks pretty cool, it has a nice distinctive visual style. Though the homescreen is really just a mix of WP live tiles with iOS icons docked at the bottom.
If Jolla secures solid hardware suppliers it will be in my pocket.
Too bad Elop didn't see past the windows logo.
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ohgood said:
i wondered how long this would take... what do windows phone /nokia folks think of the looks of this ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tRZxM9rNyZ4
looks to me like wp8.5 / wp9 better reallllly be on it's game if it wants to solidify third place in 2013.
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What do I think? That's a complicated question. I can tell you how I feel:
Annoyed that they used a Nokia in their demo. Since they don't have anything to do with them anymore they should have used their own hardware. Especially since they have stated that there will be no official 950/N9 support.
Sad and melancholy since the N9 was the single best Mobile I've used in the last couple years. It was the last thing I felt that was truly, truly "Nokia". Man was the N9 good. And boy do I miss it since:
I feel tired and short tempered with Windows Phone. Already. Here's a thought for Microsoft: Instead of spending dollars and time on celebrity endorsements and dog and pony shows? Or quasi secret launches? Or useless crap like “kids corner" and “rooms"? You make live tiles actually work reliably, every time. Or have separate volume controls? Or fix the Wi-Fi timeout screen bug? Or actually build an IE that completes with Chrome and Safari for a Mobile device? VPN support? Or not have to take up valuable home screen space on a battery percentage application? That really cool lock screen app integration I have yet to see? A solution for notifications that should have launched with 7? You know: simple stuff that should have been supported out of the gate, at launch. If I read one more comment about it coming in an update I'll explode. Because I'm really wondering what they did with their time in between 7.5 and now.
I feel mystified with Nokia. How on earth can you release the 920 with such a fantastic, fantastic camera at low light and be so ridiculously bad at daylight shots. Seriously? How do you not get fired for this?
I have serious questions about the usability of Sailfish as a daily driver. But who knows:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtEbOGuxuig
I dunno man. I'm tired. I haven't slept and your question feels a bit mean spirited. Or maybe I just am reading into this more that I should. Or maybe, sitting at the edge of my dreams is a 920 running Meego and then Sailfish.
bmstrong said:
What do I think?....
.....I have serious questions about the usability of Sailfish as a daily driver. But who knows:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtEbOGuxuig
I dunno man. I'm tired. I haven't slept and your question feels a bit mean spirited. Or maybe I just am reading into this more that I should. Or maybe, sitting at the edge of my dreams is a 920 running Meego and then Sailfish.
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no mean spirits at all... your opinion and pointing out of the possible dtd shortcomings are appreciated.
what hardware it runs on doesn't matter to me at all. I got the feeling it was running on a nokia device as a longing by the software engineers to use something familiar (affection) and prove their ideas (then and now) are well founded and have merit. maybe to slap elop with a clue ? dunno, I'm not in their heads or discussions.
the resemblance of sailfish to palmos, android, and wp means it may have a really beautiful future for us. the competition this os will generate will be a win for all the consumers. I hear blackberry may be renetering in a huge way soon too... and welcome the real and furious competition for third place.
The N950 was most likely used because that phone was actually developed by Nokia as a MeeGo development device. Given that this is the basis of the current Sailfish OS it makes sense to use that hardware (drivers are already there, etc.)
Aside from that I don't believe that this will really go anywhere. The problem is that either they have their own Apps (which is highly unlikely due to the fact that developers don't exactlly jump at the chance of another incompatible OS) or use Android Apps which means that none of the special features the new OS would have would be used by those and that they would look and feel completely different than the rest of the OS, resulting in an incoherent mashup (like Android has been for quite some time, although it is getting better now with Holo).
In the end Apps and the so often mentioned ecosystem is what makes and breaks smartphone OSes nowadays. It won't have the first or at best run ones that are alien to the OS and key assets Nokia released with MeeGo like Nokia Drive won't be there. With the rest of the ecosystem it seems to look even worse. None of the music streaming services, movie rentals, etc.
I actually liked MeeGo as a concept and I wish Jolla luck with their endeavour but I actually believe that Elop took a long look at what MeeGo was, where it was going and how long that would have taken and when he saw that it would just not do entered into talks with Google and Microsoft. In the end Microsoft put the better deal on the table (or could anyone imagine Google paying 1 billion dollars a year for platform support). Also it would allow Nokia to monetize there mapping assets as part of the platform, which would have been a lot harder on Android given that Google Maps was already there. If it was the right decission - we'll see but ditching MeeGo at least to me - and even after having seen what Jolla did with the OS - was the one part of this whole story that was necessary.
OSs like Jolla will be great at pushing forward all of the competition.
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That's assuming that between Apple/Google/MS that they wont sue them out of being operational at all though. And then there's the whole thing of finding a HW partner that is willing to take on Apple/Google/MS as well as Carriers (Carriers at least in the US elsewhere in the world, where most phones are bought as unlocked and at their 'market pricing' doesn't have as much of an issue with Carrier support as we do sadly).
Looks like what The n9 could have been. Looks nice.
However, Windows is a big name, and the development forward with w8/rt might be interesting.
I hope wp8 takes flight, but only time will tell. I think it will.