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I've just heard that the European 3.1 update for the Asus Eee Transformer is rolling out today, and I'm forced to stick with 3.01 on my EU Xoom!!!
I wish I'd followed my gut feeling and not rushed into purchasing a Motorola product. I am now stuck with an obsolete product with no scheduled EU release for the update.
This company sucks big time.... rant over
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Can't you just flash the US Images and manually update to 3.1?
No because I would unfortunately lose my 3G
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gqstatus0685 said:
Can't you just flash the US Images and manually update to 3.1?
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Looking at this post at the motorola support forums, that mayleave us with no warranty.
The whole lack of an official update has pissed me off too. Really crap on Motorola's part.
I feel for you guys
Feel for you guys.
They suck in this front totally.
I feel you, but how is it obsolete? Its still works doesn't it?
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How come Asus can push 3.1 update out TODAY to the Transformer and we are looking at waiting for MONTHS?
I mean the whole reason of getting teh Xoom was because it was supposed to be a "Google Experience" device that will get updates first. I got the Xoom and not the transformer, even the transformer is £100 cheaper, has a working SD card slot, the ability to dock to a keyboard and extended battery, and a way better IPS screen
This is my first and last Motorola purchase
ahhh damn i had the same situation i was between transformer and xoom and i buy the xoom because i hoped to get updates directly and have not to wait and wait and wait and wait.
I love android over all but on the update part apple is realy more professional and it works. Why i can't get a update if it's ready.
Like the others my first and last device from motorola
Droidz said:
I feel you, but how is it obsolete? Its still works doesn't it?
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It's running an obsolete buggy os that is now superceded on competitor devices! In my book that makes it obsolete. Thank god for Ebay, and with a bit of luck Motorola will get what's coming to them.... failure in the tablet market and eventual bankruptcy.
My impatience has turned to anger, sorry everyone.
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I'm with you. Totally annoyed with lack of support from Motorola. Docking station without any USB passthrough, no SD Card support, no date on release of 3.1.
Absolute RUBBISH and my last ever purchase of a Motorola produc.
Plus still no stock images. It's the lack of information as much as anything else
Would it be worth asking some Android Centric sites or tech blogs in general to write a few articles on the situation? There is a large thread on the Motorola support forums on with no info given and plenty of other threads asking the same thing.
No one is getting anywhere with Motorola and perhaps some pressure from the media might make Moto spill the beans on a release schedule?
I'm not normally into negative press campaigns but it would be a good test to see if Moto are listening (like HTC did with the bootloader issue).
> I mean the whole reason of getting teh Xoom was because it was supposed to be a "Google Experience" device that will get updates first.
Here is your problem. The Xoom was sold as a Google device in the US and the US alone. For the rest of the world it was a Motorola device, with all the baggage that brings with it, and probally shouldn't have been called the Xoom. The *only* saving grace here is that the US and EU wifi versions are the same hardware, and are software compatible. If you have a non-US wifi Xoom, flash the US software or take it back as you will never be happy with with the update situation.
If your worried about your warranty etc after flashing, be aware that store clerks cannot tell which part of the complicated electronics recived a far higher voltage than it was rated for, and this combined with nicer EU consumer protection laws means your device can be returned with impunity.
It is a shame Google decided against a Nexus Tablet, I just spent more on a Nexus S than a new LG 2x would have set me back. Mainly because I cannot be arsed with continually having to waste time jumping through hoops with Android. I love the OS, but frankly the OEM's and US carriers will kill it faster than free iPhones in cereal.
andyiacovou said:
No because I would unfortunately lose my 3G
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1089695
(more to the thread) You bought a device with an unlockable bootloader -- this ALWAYS gives you a choice, wait for Motorola, or do it yourself.
To be honest I am only a semi-competent user and do not have the confidence to follow that procedure. I should not have to, the product should be supported by the manufacturer, it's not even been out for 3 months!
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andyiacovou said:
To be honest I am only a semi-competent user and do not have the confidence to follow that procedure. I should not have to, the product should be supported by the manufacturer, it's not even been out for 3 months!
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completely agree with you....i didnt pay 700 euro to do all this myself....its basic responsibility of motorola to provide the update first to xoom........
can't we do something about this? how people has raised their voice against htc and HTC had to reply.....
I have the Canadian Xoom and I am pissed at Motorola as well, my first Motorola product and soon my last, how much different is the USA xoom versus the EU/Canadian, is it that different that it takes months to release the 3.1 update ? like others have said, I paid big bucks for this I am happy with it but I do not feel conferable rooting it and I should not have to, all I want is to be able to download the photos from my DSLR, if I do not get the update soon I will root it, then Motorola can KISS MY (you know the rest), I do not believe it is Google fault for not releasing 3.1 to the non US Xooms, simply Motorola does not give a crap about its customers outside of the US,
thanks
(had to vent)
Chalk up another bonus for living in the good 'ole USA
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Hey there,
Here's the source link: http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/15/breaking-google-buys-motorola-for-12-5-billion/
$12.5 Billion! Can't wait for the future of Motorola Mobility now
- DarkRyoushii
I was just about to post this
This is completely insane!
I can't wait to see what this will mean for existing Motorola phones. Will they finally release an official stock android? And most importantly, what impact will it have on the Android ecosystem as a whole?
Either way, this can only be good news for all of us!
Bring on nexus 3!
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nitrox1 said:
Bring on nexus 3!
Swyped from "Mount" Olympus
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Definitely!
I think this is huge. It means some of these powerful Motorola phones might actually get the support and updates they need to show off their potential.
Bring on Ice Cream for the Atrix!
I don't expect we'll see any major changes in a while though.
"The transaction is expected to close by the end of 2011 or early 2012."
RatTub said:
This is completely insane!
I can't wait to see what this will mean for existing Motorola phones. Will they finally release an official stock android? And most importantly, what impact will it have on the Android ecosystem as a whole?
Either way, this can only be good news for all of us!
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A huge shocker... not a big surprise though as Mr. Sanjay Jha already pointed out some big changes were about to happen when he said they are out not fishing for patents and are ready to fight all those infringment charges, last week.
For motorola its good or not is something i cant understand, but for google this is going to be a huge win as moto is one of the biggest patent holders and one of the hurdles stopping El Goog from dominating the smartphone market.
At the end it also means, google will have android as an open source platform n also means that we are the blessed ones who owns a motorola phone...
Kudos to both Motorola and El Goog...
Now go out there and beat the crap out of the competition...(Dear apple, u know whats coming n what you do next...)
Fantastic news, lets hope this means that a future Motorola!! Nexus phone with have a LED notification light.
Seems like we don't have to worry about getting ics after all
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hopefully this means ICE CREAM for our ATrix and beyond!
So the leaked images of ATRIX 2 might be Nexus X (3).
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This will be great for us ATRIX users!
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So the leaked images of ATRIX 2 might be Nexus X (3).
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I wouldn't count on it. I think the Nexus will be released before the transaction is completed.
Also, at CES, Matias Duarte told Engadget that the next version of Android wouldn't requires hardware buttons like all previous phones.
Well we didn't know that google was buying Motorola right. So they might have planed the nexusrola too.
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Well we didn't know that google was buying Motorola right. So they might have planed the nexusrola too.
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Of course, the nexus could very well be a Motorola device. But it would kick the Atrix 2's ass
I came. Anyone know if android phones' would become more "standardized" I.e. more uniformed shape and specs like apple phones?
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There is way too much speculation without any kind of background whatsoever. This acquisition has probably got more to do with Motorola's patent portfolio than anything else.
I wonder how many people actually read the articles (not just the headlines) before they make a comment about the future of Android.
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There is way too much speculation without any kind of background whatsoever. This acquisition has probably got more to do with Motorola's patent portfolio than anything else.
I wonder how many people actually read the articles (not just the headlines) before they make a comment about the future of Android.
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You mean this part?
Andy Rubin, Senior Vice President of Mobile at Google, said, “We expect that this combination will enable us to break new ground for the Android ecosystem”
live4nyy said:
There is way too much speculation without any kind of background whatsoever. This acquisition has probably got more to do with Motorola's patent portfolio than anything else.
I wonder how many people actually read the articles (not just the headlines) before they make a comment about the future of Android.
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I feel like they're stressing the patent portfolio so that they don't have to worry about antitrust issues, I feel like there will be quite a few more nexus style phones and the attic might be treated more like a nexus.
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how do you feel about this deal?i personally think its a good move against i**** and microcrap
Agreed.
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Everybody says it's all about patents.
I just hope google doesn't favor moto devices over other brands regarding software updates
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I just hope google doesn't favor moto devices over other brands regarding software updates
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i dont think so.the source code is released to all at once
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I just hope google doesn't favor moto devices over other brands regarding software updates
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it wont be any different to how the nexus series is now. Motorola will get the updates first purely because they run vanilla android, all the other phone manufacturers take longer because they add their own stuff in.
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it wont be any different to how the nexus series is now. Motorola will get the updates first purely because they run vanilla android, all the other phone manufacturers take longer because they add their own stuff in.
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i agree man.good point
It will be good for the US market, Motorola will sell like crazy, in Europe Russia Asia etc. it will not make much difference.. you'll see..
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It will be good for the US market, Motorola will sell like crazy, in Europe Russia Asia etc. it will not make much difference.. you'll see..
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yes.your point sounds right
it isn't a direct problem for other productors...but probably motorola start to realize very competitive device, more appetible for people
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I just hope google doesn't favor moto devices over other brands regarding software updates
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i dont think so.the source code is released to all at once
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i hope so, but i'm not sure. correct me if I'm wrong but google didn't open the code of honeycomb at the moment, maybe tomorrow will not release all the code or will release after time...
we will see
Google hasn't opened up honeycomb but ice cream sandwich is open!
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Apparently the reason google didnt open source honeycomb is that it was an ugly bodge (the code), hacked together in a hurry to get a version that would work on tablets. Guess theyre embarrassed to let people see the mess.
Ice cream is basically honeycomb done *properly*, so that it scales across all devices and is maintainable into the future.
As far as the moto thing goes:
(1) My belief is that it's primarily for patents. Hoping that google will use them to provide umbrella coverage for other manufacturers...
(2) It's a good deal for moto - IMO they were doomed without this. They seem to make great hardware but then inevitably stick crappy software on their phones (blur is only the most recent example). Also bootloader lock-down hell and crappy update schedules. Hopefully google ownership will fix their shortcomings while keeping their strengths and i might actually be able to consider buying a moto phone at some point in my lifetime.
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Apparently the reason google didnt open source honeycomb is that it was an ugly bodge (the code), hacked together in a hurry to get a version that would work on tablets. Guess theyre embarrassed to let people see the mess.
Ice cream is basically honeycomb done *properly*, so that it scales across all devices and is maintainable into the future.
As far as the moto thing goes:
(1) My belief is that it's primarily for patents. Hoping that google will use them to provide umbrella coverage for other manufacturers...
(2) It's a good deal for moto - IMO they were doomed without this. They seem to make great hardware but then inevitably stick crappy software on their phones (blur is only the most recent example). Also bootloader lock-down hell and crappy update schedules. Hopefully google ownership will fix their shortcomings while keeping their strengths and i might actually be able to consider buying a moto phone at some point in my lifetime.
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couldnt state it better myself
Well, today, the Galaxy S 2 AT&t got official ICS 4.0.3; a mere 8 months after its release, while we still have at least 3 more months before ICS is official and our phone has been out for over 16 months. Something smells fishy to me.
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And cue the "pile on Motorola even though we don't have any concrete evidence" bandwagon in 5...4...3...
Where's my downvote button?
NEVER buy a phone for upgradability purposes. You'll more than likely get burned.
Go ahead and jump to touchwiz then. Stop making rant posts.
I'd rather wait for the new stockblur look and still enjoy my phone.
93% of android devices are still not on ICS yet life goes on.....
Phone already does everything I needed it to. By the time ICS comes out there will be Jelly Bean devices coming out anyway.....
Different phones get upgraded at different rates. The Atrix saw a lot of updates in the first few months. The updates from Motorola may have slowed down but the updates from CM and other ROM devs haven't. There's plenty of life in the ol' beast yet.
Check out Jokersax' CM9. A few things aren't quite there yet, but if you work around them you'll have a near-full functioning CM9. Once ICS is official the few remaining driver issues should be worked out.
My moms Android still has Froyo.
You will NEVER win when it comes to cell phones. Or with any electronics.
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andrew.cambridge said:
My moms Android still has Froyo.
You will NEVER win when it comes to cell phones. Or with any electronics.
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Same with my Dad's XPRT. Trapped on Froyo right now. But unlike the Atrix, the XPRT has pretty much no developer community.
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Where's my downvote button?
NEVER buy a phone for upgradability purposes. You'll more than likely get burned.
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That's wrong. When purchasing a smartphone you SHOULD receive updates. We the consumer decide how we should be treated by the manufacturer. If a company doesn't provide updates then don't buy their merchandise. Also all manufacturers have agreed to maybe update for 18 months lol stick with the companies that actually deliver.
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Well guys seems like the Droid Bionic which has ICS slated for update Q3 along with our beloved Atrix 4G already has a leaked version out.
Below is tinyurl I can't post links yet due to forum rules.
tinyurl.com/7c9zzq4
Sass86 said:
That's wrong. When purchasing a smartphone you SHOULD receive updates. We the consumer decide how we should be treated by the manufacturer. If a company doesn't provide updates then don't buy their merchandise. Also all manufacturers have agreed to maybe update for 18 months lol stick with the companies that actually deliver.
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I tend to agree with this sentiment. It's the whole voting with your wallet thing. Unfortunately it's partially subjective. As I said the Atrix got several updates right out of the gate. The Xoom has been quick to get updates. From what I've seen Motorola is one of the top manufacturers from an update perspective.
But like others they do lag behind the Nexus line and they definitely lag behind all the developers out there (and here).
Remember that many of us purchased the Atrix on hardware specs hoping that there would be updates. At the time it was released dual-core phones were unheard of.
Fast updates are one of the things you risk giving up when you go the subsidized route. What you lose in updates you tend to gain in hardware and cost efficiency. The best route if you want fast updates is to move to the Nexus line. You'll spend more buying a new phone at full cost every year or two but you'll get updates a hell of a lot faster and end up with a stock device.
Sass86 said:
That's wrong. When purchasing a smartphone you SHOULD receive updates. We the consumer decide how we should be treated by the manufacturer. If a company doesn't provide updates then don't buy their merchandise. Also all manufacturers have agreed to maybe update for 18 months lol stick with the companies that actually deliver.
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In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice they are different.
Go to a different manufacturer. The only one that consistently hasn't had this problem is Apple.
Atrix came out before that 18-month agreement was made.
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In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice they are different.
Go to a different manufacturer. The only one that consistently hasn't had this problem is Apple.
Atrix came out before that 18-month agreement was made.
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Apple only has to developed for 3 phones (as of right now). All the other phone companies keep crapping out phones 4 times a month trying to outdo each other.
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Moto
I wonder when my Backflip is getting ICS. I keep checking the Moto upgrade site each day!!!! I hear that there is a leaked beta out.
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Apple only has to developed for 3 phones (as of right now). All the other phone companies keep crapping out phones 4 times a month trying to outdo each other.
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It's true, Apple is only supporting three very similar phones right now. But they have been very good about keeping devices on the latest released software, albeit with reduced features sometimes.
As for other manufacturers, I'm reminded of the bad old days of badge-engineering with cars. Chrysler and their K-cars are a prime example. It reflects a "we build crap but we sure sell a lot of crap" mindset.
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It's true, Apple is only supporting three very similar phones right now. But they have been very good about keeping devices on the latest released software, albeit with reduced features sometimes.
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"They [Apple] have been very good about keeping devices on the latest released software"... that they make, they announce, and they release.
Of course Apple products are on the latest software that they create and don't release until it works on their own products...
Motorola is fine. It's just nvidia sucks.
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May I ask you, who desperately waiting for update, what you are waiting for? What exactly is missing in GB? I know features of ICS but to be honest, nothing so special that we can not live without.
And yes, blame nVidia more than Motorola.
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And yes, blame nVidia more than Motorola.
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Deggy said:
Motorola is fine. It's just nvidia sucks.
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That's not true even the Droid razr didn't get ics update yet
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I guess the lesson here is that if you are not a Verizon customer, don't buy a Motorola product. Otherwise, you are treated like a booger...nice and shiny that gets lot of attention for a minute, and then flicked away and forgotten. Even though the Razor Nexus is a rumor, I think it will become a reality in the near future.
Oh yea, the other lesson here, don't always believe everything Motorola says. haha
http://www.examiner.com/article/report-motorola-will-make-next-google-nexus-smartphone
Interesting. Thanks for sharing.
this is highly beleievable to be honest :good:
seeing as google own motorola, all you have to do is put 2 and 2 together really lol they gain extra profit without having to share the profit with the phone manufacturer because they are the phone manufacturing as well as software manufacturer lol
This is highly unlickly. The next Nexus is going to be made by LG, not Motorola. Motorola MAY make the Nexus 5, if it ever comes out.
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This is highly unlickly. The next Nexus is going to be made by LG, not Motorola. Motorola MAY make the Nexus 5, if it ever comes out.
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Don't forget, rumour has it that there will be multiple Nexus devices coming out. We still won't know till they reveal them in a few days time at the event. So let's just have our fingers crossed that there are more choices for our devices (although I'll still ignore a Nexus from Motorola, they treat us customers like ****)
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Don't forget, rumour has it that there will be multiple Nexus devices coming out. We still won't know till they reveal them in a few days time at the event. So let's just have our fingers crossed that there are more choices for our devices (although I'll still ignore a Nexus from Motorola, they treat us customers like ****)
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That turned out to just be one elaborate hoax, the guy/gal who started it came forward. No multiple nexus phones, theme centre and so on.
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I'd consider that. I'm happy with the hardware. That whole ICS cocktease was absurd tho.
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No more Moto for me. Hardware is fine but update support is minor.
but is there a really interest to go to ICS or JB ???
does the actual GB rom isn't suffiiciant for a while ?
i think there is a lot of app that work on atrix and GB so why go to ICS or GB ? UI , software update , ergonomy ? but in fact what's new ?
i'm a linux user not android for now ... soon, with atrix perhaps
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but is there a really interest to go to ICS or JB ???
does the actual GB rom isn't suffiiciant for a while ?
i think there is a lot of app that work on atrix and GB so why go to ICS or GB ? UI , software update , ergonomy ? but in fact what's new ?
i'm a linux user not android for now ... soon, with atrix perhaps
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The issue isn't so much that ICS/JB is any better than GB.................it's more that it was promised and indicated on the Moto website, then the support was pulled for this development. They should have communicated more with the customers, and been honest about the plans for the future. Instead they have ended up losing a lot of consumers who would have been loyal had they not reneged on their promises.
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The issue isn't so much that ICS/JB is any better than GB.................it's more that it was promised and indicated on the Moto website, then the support was pulled for this development. They should have communicated more with the customers, and been honest about the plans for the future. Instead they have ended up losing a lot of consumers who would have been loyal had they not reneged on their promises.
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There are a couple of reasons to upgrade to ICS/JB. One is security. There are enhancements (such as ASLR) which make it much more difficult for hackers to run their own code on your phone. The other is usability. ICS and JB is just way more usable IMO. The UI is clean, and requires less taps to get to common functions. I stayed on GB for a while, tried ICS and though, meh. But JB was a huge jump in maturity in the OS.
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but is there a really interest to go to ICS or JB ???
does the actual GB rom isn't suffiiciant for a while ?
i think there is a lot of app that work on atrix and GB so why go to ICS or GB ? UI , software update , ergonomy ? but in fact what's new ?
i'm a linux user not android for now ... soon, with atrix perhaps
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To expand on the previous post. There are many security flaws in GB. Look ho often desk tops are updated to close possible exploits. With smart phones becoming ever more popular they are coming under increasing threats. JB fixes many of the possible exploits. My phone contains most of my personal data including banking information. I want to keep that data safe.
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The issue isn't so much that ICS/JB is any better than GB.................it's more that it was promised and indicated on the Moto website, then the support was pulled for this development. They should have communicated more with the customers, and been honest about the plans for the future. Instead they have ended up losing a lot of consumers who would have been loyal had they not reneged on their promises.
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^ Plus on top of that they started us with Froyo, when GB was already out.
The only "real" support the Atrix ever got was when BL Unlock got leaked.
I find it funny that the devs here made Motorola's team look like a bunch of chimps...
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ccrows said:
^ Plus on top of that they started us with Froyo, when GB was already out.
The only "real" support the Atrix ever got was when BL Unlock got leaked.
I find it funny that the devs here made Motorola's team look like a bunch of chimps...
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Motorola's dev are not bad at all. Motorola Management is.
if motorola dev read us pretty sure , please post the new kernel for ics ....a gift for christmas :highfive:
go back to earth
xda dev work hard on new lg kernel i think ... it's our only way
ticiano_arraes said:
Motorola's dev are not bad at all. Motorola Management is.
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*Thinks about Motoblur for a second*
Gotta disagree...
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There are a couple of reasons to upgrade to ICS/JB. One is security. There are enhancements (such as ASLR) which make it much more difficult for hackers to run their own code on your phone. The other is usability. ICS and JB is just way more usable IMO. The UI is clean, and requires less taps to get to common functions. I stayed on GB for a while, tried ICS and though, meh. But JB was a huge jump in maturity in the OS.
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But, what I see as the major beef from the majority of people is nothing more than the fact they didn't get the update. Most people, including those who frequent the XDA (Atrix) forums here, couldn't tell you what is different other than to say UI, face unlock, and kernel.
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*Thinks about Motoblur for a second*
Gotta disagree...
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You don't seem to realize just how much influence the management can have over development.
I'm also a full-time developer so I know.
Rarz nexus hohoh
always the same appearance of the Razr, never innovates