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[Q] Google to Buy Motorola Mobility.. Good or Bad?

So apparently Google plans to up it patent portfolio by purchasing Motorola Mobility. What do you think this will mean for our handset and the future of Motorola handsets?
Good or Bad?
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Good. Google may actually listen to us instead of ignoring us all the way (we may get updates quicker as well)
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Good, this is really good news. If not right now for current Motorola users, then for sure for the future of Android. I believe this will make new standards for android. For example Stock Gingerbread, Specs, etc. We will be seeing more phones on the quality of the Nexus 1 and Nexus S, but made by Motorola.

This also includes better OS updates because they will come straight from Google, and I hope that they will support Motorola's current rather than just their future devices. I wonder whether Google will just have Motorola make stock gingerbread phones in the future, or improve the Motorola Applications Platform...

This was more of a move to buy patents. However this helps Android as a whole, because it helps to cut down the legal BS with Apple.
As for Motorola, hopefully this will finally be the end of Motoblur forever!...
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There may be growing pains and hickups but in the grand scheme of things I think it's very promising!!!!!!

The official google post here.
It's bloody good news that is what it is

Excellent News!!!! Yippy

matthew5025 said:
The official google post here.
It's bloody good news that is what it is
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Don't have the link handy, but Engaget is covering it too. The responses are very active.
Also Engaget announced a Motorola Defy+ today for all the Googlorola fans our there...
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Why start another thread for discussing this when one was already started only a couple of hours before?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1219090

This is good if you plan on staying with motorola phones. It can actually hurt the other manufacturers.

what do you think about google buying Motorola?

how do you feel about this deal?i personally think its a good move against i**** and microcrap

Agreed.
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Everybody says it's all about patents.

I just hope google doesn't favor moto devices over other brands regarding software updates
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wael hawa said:
I just hope google doesn't favor moto devices over other brands regarding software updates
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i dont think so.the source code is released to all at once

wael hawa said:
I just hope google doesn't favor moto devices over other brands regarding software updates
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it wont be any different to how the nexus series is now. Motorola will get the updates first purely because they run vanilla android, all the other phone manufacturers take longer because they add their own stuff in.

diggedy said:
it wont be any different to how the nexus series is now. Motorola will get the updates first purely because they run vanilla android, all the other phone manufacturers take longer because they add their own stuff in.
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i agree man.good point

It will be good for the US market, Motorola will sell like crazy, in Europe Russia Asia etc. it will not make much difference.. you'll see..

reptile64 said:
It will be good for the US market, Motorola will sell like crazy, in Europe Russia Asia etc. it will not make much difference.. you'll see..
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yes.your point sounds right

it isn't a direct problem for other productors...but probably motorola start to realize very competitive device, more appetible for people

wael hawa said:
I just hope google doesn't favor moto devices over other brands regarding software updates
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josephnero said:
i dont think so.the source code is released to all at once
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i hope so, but i'm not sure. correct me if I'm wrong but google didn't open the code of honeycomb at the moment, maybe tomorrow will not release all the code or will release after time...
we will see

Google hasn't opened up honeycomb but ice cream sandwich is open!
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Apparently the reason google didnt open source honeycomb is that it was an ugly bodge (the code), hacked together in a hurry to get a version that would work on tablets. Guess theyre embarrassed to let people see the mess.
Ice cream is basically honeycomb done *properly*, so that it scales across all devices and is maintainable into the future.
As far as the moto thing goes:
(1) My belief is that it's primarily for patents. Hoping that google will use them to provide umbrella coverage for other manufacturers...
(2) It's a good deal for moto - IMO they were doomed without this. They seem to make great hardware but then inevitably stick crappy software on their phones (blur is only the most recent example). Also bootloader lock-down hell and crappy update schedules. Hopefully google ownership will fix their shortcomings while keeping their strengths and i might actually be able to consider buying a moto phone at some point in my lifetime.

daveybaby said:
Apparently the reason google didnt open source honeycomb is that it was an ugly bodge (the code), hacked together in a hurry to get a version that would work on tablets. Guess theyre embarrassed to let people see the mess.
Ice cream is basically honeycomb done *properly*, so that it scales across all devices and is maintainable into the future.
As far as the moto thing goes:
(1) My belief is that it's primarily for patents. Hoping that google will use them to provide umbrella coverage for other manufacturers...
(2) It's a good deal for moto - IMO they were doomed without this. They seem to make great hardware but then inevitably stick crappy software on their phones (blur is only the most recent example). Also bootloader lock-down hell and crappy update schedules. Hopefully google ownership will fix their shortcomings while keeping their strengths and i might actually be able to consider buying a moto phone at some point in my lifetime.
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couldnt state it better myself

Another Motorola Rant

Well, today, the Galaxy S 2 AT&t got official ICS 4.0.3; a mere 8 months after its release, while we still have at least 3 more months before ICS is official and our phone has been out for over 16 months. Something smells fishy to me.
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And cue the "pile on Motorola even though we don't have any concrete evidence" bandwagon in 5...4...3...

Where's my downvote button?
NEVER buy a phone for upgradability purposes. You'll more than likely get burned.

Go ahead and jump to touchwiz then. Stop making rant posts.
I'd rather wait for the new stockblur look and still enjoy my phone.

93% of android devices are still not on ICS yet life goes on.....
Phone already does everything I needed it to. By the time ICS comes out there will be Jelly Bean devices coming out anyway.....

Different phones get upgraded at different rates. The Atrix saw a lot of updates in the first few months. The updates from Motorola may have slowed down but the updates from CM and other ROM devs haven't. There's plenty of life in the ol' beast yet.
Check out Jokersax' CM9. A few things aren't quite there yet, but if you work around them you'll have a near-full functioning CM9. Once ICS is official the few remaining driver issues should be worked out.

My moms Android still has Froyo.
You will NEVER win when it comes to cell phones. Or with any electronics.
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andrew.cambridge said:
My moms Android still has Froyo.
You will NEVER win when it comes to cell phones. Or with any electronics.
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Same with my Dad's XPRT. Trapped on Froyo right now. But unlike the Atrix, the XPRT has pretty much no developer community.

stewartsoda said:
Where's my downvote button?
NEVER buy a phone for upgradability purposes. You'll more than likely get burned.
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That's wrong. When purchasing a smartphone you SHOULD receive updates. We the consumer decide how we should be treated by the manufacturer. If a company doesn't provide updates then don't buy their merchandise. Also all manufacturers have agreed to maybe update for 18 months lol stick with the companies that actually deliver.
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Well guys seems like the Droid Bionic which has ICS slated for update Q3 along with our beloved Atrix 4G already has a leaked version out.
Below is tinyurl I can't post links yet due to forum rules.
tinyurl.com/7c9zzq4

Sass86 said:
That's wrong. When purchasing a smartphone you SHOULD receive updates. We the consumer decide how we should be treated by the manufacturer. If a company doesn't provide updates then don't buy their merchandise. Also all manufacturers have agreed to maybe update for 18 months lol stick with the companies that actually deliver.
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I tend to agree with this sentiment. It's the whole voting with your wallet thing. Unfortunately it's partially subjective. As I said the Atrix got several updates right out of the gate. The Xoom has been quick to get updates. From what I've seen Motorola is one of the top manufacturers from an update perspective.
But like others they do lag behind the Nexus line and they definitely lag behind all the developers out there (and here).
Remember that many of us purchased the Atrix on hardware specs hoping that there would be updates. At the time it was released dual-core phones were unheard of.
Fast updates are one of the things you risk giving up when you go the subsidized route. What you lose in updates you tend to gain in hardware and cost efficiency. The best route if you want fast updates is to move to the Nexus line. You'll spend more buying a new phone at full cost every year or two but you'll get updates a hell of a lot faster and end up with a stock device.

Sass86 said:
That's wrong. When purchasing a smartphone you SHOULD receive updates. We the consumer decide how we should be treated by the manufacturer. If a company doesn't provide updates then don't buy their merchandise. Also all manufacturers have agreed to maybe update for 18 months lol stick with the companies that actually deliver.
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In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice they are different.
Go to a different manufacturer. The only one that consistently hasn't had this problem is Apple.
Atrix came out before that 18-month agreement was made.

stewartsoda said:
In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice they are different.
Go to a different manufacturer. The only one that consistently hasn't had this problem is Apple.
Atrix came out before that 18-month agreement was made.
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Apple only has to developed for 3 phones (as of right now). All the other phone companies keep crapping out phones 4 times a month trying to outdo each other.
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Moto
I wonder when my Backflip is getting ICS. I keep checking the Moto upgrade site each day!!!! I hear that there is a leaked beta out.

andrew.cambridge said:
Apple only has to developed for 3 phones (as of right now). All the other phone companies keep crapping out phones 4 times a month trying to outdo each other.
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It's true, Apple is only supporting three very similar phones right now. But they have been very good about keeping devices on the latest released software, albeit with reduced features sometimes.
As for other manufacturers, I'm reminded of the bad old days of badge-engineering with cars. Chrysler and their K-cars are a prime example. It reflects a "we build crap but we sure sell a lot of crap" mindset.

stewartsoda said:
It's true, Apple is only supporting three very similar phones right now. But they have been very good about keeping devices on the latest released software, albeit with reduced features sometimes.
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"They [Apple] have been very good about keeping devices on the latest released software"... that they make, they announce, and they release.
Of course Apple products are on the latest software that they create and don't release until it works on their own products...

Motorola is fine. It's just nvidia sucks.
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May I ask you, who desperately waiting for update, what you are waiting for? What exactly is missing in GB? I know features of ICS but to be honest, nothing so special that we can not live without.
And yes, blame nVidia more than Motorola.

Zeljko1234 said:
And yes, blame nVidia more than Motorola.
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+1
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Deggy said:
Motorola is fine. It's just nvidia sucks.
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That's not true even the Droid razr didn't get ics update yet
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Motorola to cut 4,000 jobs in Google restructure

Motorola Mobility, the once-dominant but now ailing mobile handset maker, has told its staff that it is cutting 20% of its staff – about 4,000 people – and wlll close about a third of its 94 worldwide offices.
In an SEC filing, Google said that the severance costs could be up to $275m in the two quarters to the end of the year and that there will also be "significant" other restructuring costs as it tried to restore the phone business to profitability.
Two-third of the job losses will come outside the US, Google says in the filing.
The company now plans to build high-end phones with sensors to detect people's entry into rooms, longer-lived batteries, higher-quality cameras and is recruiting artificial intelligence and supply chain experts to that end.
The moves are the first signs of a complete reorganisation under the ownership of the search giant Google, which completed its $12.5bn acquisition of Motorola Mobility (MMI) in May, and appointed its own Dennis Woodside to run the company, displacing Sanjay Jha, who had run it since August 2008.
Motorola once dominated the phone business, but the arrival of smartphones and particularly the iPhone hit its business. Although it tried to recover by adopting Google's Android software for its smartphones early on, soon after Jha took over, it has not been able to break Apple's grip on key parts of the US smartphone market, and its handset division has lost money in 14 of the past 16 quarters, while its share of both the smartphone and feature phone markets have shrunk.
The company is retrenching to the US, and will stop competing in unprofitable markets and cease offering low-end phones, to concentrate instead on a few phones rather than 27 it presently markets, Woodside told the New York Times in an interview.
''We're excited about the smartphone business," Woodside, who previously led Google's sales and operations for the Americas, told the NYT. "The Google business is built on a wired model, and as the world moves to a pretty much completely wireless model over time, it's really going to be important for Google to understand everything about the mobile consumer."
Google indicated previously that it bought MMI in order to gain access to its patent portfolio, and that it would not give it any special treatment over other companies building Android handsets. But some rivals to MMI such as Sony, HTC and LG, which are struggling in the smartphone market, are concerned that MMI may get "most favoured nation" status in funding and management, and access to new technology from Google.
Woodside has embarked on a top-down shakeup in which 40% of MMI's former vice-presidents have been let go. He told the NYT that he wants to make MMI's phones cool again, and is setting up an "advanced technology" group, headed by Regina Dugan from the Pentagon's Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA). Dugan, the NYT said, is hiring metals scientists, acoustic engineers and artificial intelligence experts.
Meanwhile MMI is also tightening its supply chain, building fewer models and using half as many components under the direction of former Amazon Kindle supply chain manger Mark Randall.
But MMI faces the same problems that other handset companies do: that Apple and Samsung together have locked up around half of the entire smartphone business, and about 90% of its profits, leaving others fighting for the remaining 10%. In the past quarter RIM, Nokia, LG and Sony have all lost money in the handset business, with only HTC and some Chinese companies competing at the low end making profits.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/aug/13/motorola-job-cuts-google

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like ferrari or lamborghini of smartphones they're going to make :fingers-crossed:

Lol
Ai phones and detecting people in rooms are not the reasons I am going to buy something other than motorola for next phone.

Oh no! Where will we get our unconfirmed rumors about the imminent ICS release now?!

the ics development team may be layed off this times. maybe a good time to think about next phone
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maggedo said:
the ics development team may be layed off this times. maybe a good time to think about next phone
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Not having ICS won't kill you or your phone. I don't see a reason to change your phone just because it ain't getting the ICS update, considering the phone launched with Froyo. Also, we have a fully functional CM7.2 and many Blur based ROMs to choose from, right?
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tatperson said:
Not having ICS won't kill you or your phone. I don't see a reason to change your phone just because it ain't getting the ICS update, considering the phone launched with Froyo. Also, we have a fully functional CM7.2 and many Blur based ROMs to choose from, right?
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But ICS is so pretty...
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nw21st said:
But ICS is so pretty...
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ICS is outdated, JB is what ICS should be

Zeljko1234 said:
ICS is outdated, JB is what ICS should be
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And key lime pie is going to be what jb should have been. of course things are going to improve with each update.
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Alcapone263 said:
And key lime pie is going to be what jb should have been. of course things are going to improve with each update.
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If its newer and has more sparkly shiney bits added it must be better!
In topic -- sad to hear about job losses, but this does sound promising. My big gripe with Android is how they pump out models en masse -- smaller, more optimized and maintained selection is preferable.
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Most of the layoffs are probably administrative but I hope the dev team is downsized. I'd like to see Motorola adopt a more vanilla ROM.

yeahmann said:
Most of the layoffs are probably administrative but I hope the dev team is downsized. I'd like to see Motorola adopt a more vanilla ROM.
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The new Blur4 is not vanilla enough? Its the closest to stock I've ever seen.
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xhazk said:
If its newer and has more sparkly shiney bits added it must be better!
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Not always! Actually offen new version of software is just over bloated with "new exiting features" but less optimized.
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The new Blur4 is not vanilla enough? Its the closest to stock I've ever seen.
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What's really great! I suppose that Google will use Motorola for next Nexus. Really good hardware with vanilla android would be great combination

I wanted ICS because of JB stability
but wt...
how poor they are.:crying:

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Not always! Actually offen new version of software is just over bloated with "new exiting features" but less optimized.
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It was sarcasm, sorry.
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dev teams are included
no hope for atrix
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maggedo said:
dev teams are included
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Really? Are you one of them? No wonder there is no hope.

Motorola Nexus Rumor

I guess the lesson here is that if you are not a Verizon customer, don't buy a Motorola product. Otherwise, you are treated like a booger...nice and shiny that gets lot of attention for a minute, and then flicked away and forgotten. Even though the Razor Nexus is a rumor, I think it will become a reality in the near future.
Oh yea, the other lesson here, don't always believe everything Motorola says. haha
http://www.examiner.com/article/report-motorola-will-make-next-google-nexus-smartphone

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

this is highly beleievable to be honest :good:
seeing as google own motorola, all you have to do is put 2 and 2 together really lol they gain extra profit without having to share the profit with the phone manufacturer because they are the phone manufacturing as well as software manufacturer lol

This is highly unlickly. The next Nexus is going to be made by LG, not Motorola. Motorola MAY make the Nexus 5, if it ever comes out.
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djluis48 said:
This is highly unlickly. The next Nexus is going to be made by LG, not Motorola. Motorola MAY make the Nexus 5, if it ever comes out.
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Don't forget, rumour has it that there will be multiple Nexus devices coming out. We still won't know till they reveal them in a few days time at the event. So let's just have our fingers crossed that there are more choices for our devices (although I'll still ignore a Nexus from Motorola, they treat us customers like ****)

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Don't forget, rumour has it that there will be multiple Nexus devices coming out. We still won't know till they reveal them in a few days time at the event. So let's just have our fingers crossed that there are more choices for our devices (although I'll still ignore a Nexus from Motorola, they treat us customers like ****)
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That turned out to just be one elaborate hoax, the guy/gal who started it came forward. No multiple nexus phones, theme centre and so on.
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I'd consider that. I'm happy with the hardware. That whole ICS cocktease was absurd tho.
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No more Moto for me. Hardware is fine but update support is minor.

but is there a really interest to go to ICS or JB ???
does the actual GB rom isn't suffiiciant for a while ?
i think there is a lot of app that work on atrix and GB so why go to ICS or GB ? UI , software update , ergonomy ? but in fact what's new ?
i'm a linux user not android for now ... soon, with atrix perhaps

attrixnor said:
but is there a really interest to go to ICS or JB ???
does the actual GB rom isn't suffiiciant for a while ?
i think there is a lot of app that work on atrix and GB so why go to ICS or GB ? UI , software update , ergonomy ? but in fact what's new ?
i'm a linux user not android for now ... soon, with atrix perhaps
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The issue isn't so much that ICS/JB is any better than GB.................it's more that it was promised and indicated on the Moto website, then the support was pulled for this development. They should have communicated more with the customers, and been honest about the plans for the future. Instead they have ended up losing a lot of consumers who would have been loyal had they not reneged on their promises.

CaelanT said:
The issue isn't so much that ICS/JB is any better than GB.................it's more that it was promised and indicated on the Moto website, then the support was pulled for this development. They should have communicated more with the customers, and been honest about the plans for the future. Instead they have ended up losing a lot of consumers who would have been loyal had they not reneged on their promises.
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There are a couple of reasons to upgrade to ICS/JB. One is security. There are enhancements (such as ASLR) which make it much more difficult for hackers to run their own code on your phone. The other is usability. ICS and JB is just way more usable IMO. The UI is clean, and requires less taps to get to common functions. I stayed on GB for a while, tried ICS and though, meh. But JB was a huge jump in maturity in the OS.

attrixnor said:
but is there a really interest to go to ICS or JB ???
does the actual GB rom isn't suffiiciant for a while ?
i think there is a lot of app that work on atrix and GB so why go to ICS or GB ? UI , software update , ergonomy ? but in fact what's new ?
i'm a linux user not android for now ... soon, with atrix perhaps
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To expand on the previous post. There are many security flaws in GB. Look ho often desk tops are updated to close possible exploits. With smart phones becoming ever more popular they are coming under increasing threats. JB fixes many of the possible exploits. My phone contains most of my personal data including banking information. I want to keep that data safe.
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CaelanT said:
The issue isn't so much that ICS/JB is any better than GB.................it's more that it was promised and indicated on the Moto website, then the support was pulled for this development. They should have communicated more with the customers, and been honest about the plans for the future. Instead they have ended up losing a lot of consumers who would have been loyal had they not reneged on their promises.
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^ Plus on top of that they started us with Froyo, when GB was already out.
The only "real" support the Atrix ever got was when BL Unlock got leaked.
I find it funny that the devs here made Motorola's team look like a bunch of chimps...
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ccrows said:
^ Plus on top of that they started us with Froyo, when GB was already out.
The only "real" support the Atrix ever got was when BL Unlock got leaked.
I find it funny that the devs here made Motorola's team look like a bunch of chimps...
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Motorola's dev are not bad at all. Motorola Management is.

if motorola dev read us pretty sure , please post the new kernel for ics ....a gift for christmas :highfive:
go back to earth
xda dev work hard on new lg kernel i think ... it's our only way

ticiano_arraes said:
Motorola's dev are not bad at all. Motorola Management is.
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*Thinks about Motoblur for a second*
Gotta disagree...
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grevedan said:
There are a couple of reasons to upgrade to ICS/JB. One is security. There are enhancements (such as ASLR) which make it much more difficult for hackers to run their own code on your phone. The other is usability. ICS and JB is just way more usable IMO. The UI is clean, and requires less taps to get to common functions. I stayed on GB for a while, tried ICS and though, meh. But JB was a huge jump in maturity in the OS.
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But, what I see as the major beef from the majority of people is nothing more than the fact they didn't get the update. Most people, including those who frequent the XDA (Atrix) forums here, couldn't tell you what is different other than to say UI, face unlock, and kernel.
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ccrows said:
*Thinks about Motoblur for a second*
Gotta disagree...
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You don't seem to realize just how much influence the management can have over development.
I'm also a full-time developer so I know.

Rarz nexus hohoh
always the same appearance of the Razr, never innovates