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I noticed that there's a tiny gap between where the screen ends and where the frame begins. It looks really crappy when the backlight for the soft keys is turned on because the light shows through this gap.
(I used the nexus one camera for this, so it's not very visible. It looks a lot worse in person.)
Does anybody else have this? If not, I'll just go swap mine at the sprint store...
No light leak on mine!
I have the same problem although mine is a lot worse. Maybe I should get it exchanged.
No leak on mine. That would drive me bonkers....but I'm ocd. Bring it back!
Most have this
This goes hand in hand with the glass separation issue. Give it a good press down at the bottom and it will fix it for about 30 seconds. It's a problem with the adhesive. I'll be using my warranty once the evos are more readily available.
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This goes hand in hand with the glass separation issue. Give it a good press down at the bottom and it will fix it for about 30 seconds. It's a problem with the adhesive. I'll be using my warranty once the evos are more readily available.
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Same here..
I think they are all gonna get this at some point. Is it neccecarilly a defect? you cant notice it unless you sit in a pitch black room... also i use the silicon case that overlaps the glass just a little bit all around so i dont really notice anyways.
i like to read at night with dark mode. so just the fact that i can't turn off the menu lights irritates me. i used to use LEDshack on the droid.
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I think they are all gonna get this at some point. Is it neccecarilly a defect? you cant notice it unless you sit in a pitch black room... also i use the silicon case that overlaps the glass just a little bit all around so i dont really notice anyways.
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Well, as it stands, its not a huge deal. The question is, how bad will the problem get? It has potential to be a serious problem if it continues to separate. (ie works it way on up the phone)
Hi.
Just a thought here.
What if you would put magnetic tape on the areas on the picture.
That would take away the loose hinge problem, aint im right.
Then a thought about the magnetic, how will that screw up the gps, compass, the lcd screen or something else.
Anyone have any thoughts?
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Hi.
Just a thought here.
What if you would put magnetic tape on the areas on the picture.
That would take away the loose hinge problem, aint im right.
Then a thought about the magnetic, how will that screw up the gps, compass, the lcd screen or something else.
Anyone have any thoughts?
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It would take away the problem. And an accurate compass.
And perhaps the screen.
The only other thing would be velcro. And screw that!
Any other ideas, the compass i can live without...
The screen is just a little harder to live without.
As DanWilson says, maybe very weak velcro will do the trick.
Dont think velcro is a good choice...
very very weak, maybe
I realise that different handsets suffer more or less from the hinge 'problem', mine seems to be fairly average and does open half way if you pick it not touching the bottom half. But for me I have to hold it in such an awkward way that I usually drop it before or when the hinge flops open.
I find that if I hold the phone in a normal grip with thumb on left side and fingers on the right theres no way it can come open no matter what angle you hold it at?
Is the hinge open itself? U cannot write sms/email in bed or it's just a little loose. I do not see how hinge can prevent normal usage of phone.
BTW. It's not a issue it's by design!
I have been saying magnetic tape is the solution for weeks now!
My Z's hinge is fine at the moment so I am not best to try it out but if anyone does please report back, although I cannot see how it won't work.
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I realise that different handsets suffer more or less from the hinge 'problem', mine seems to be fairly average and does open half way if you pick it not touching the bottom half. But for me I have to hold it in such an awkward way that I usually drop it before or when the hinge flops open.
I find that if I hold the phone in a normal grip with thumb on left side and fingers on the right theres no way it can come open no matter what angle you hold it at?
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agree totally with u
Well written!
This has to be the biggest non-issue I've ever seen when it comes to cell phone design. I have seen the videos online and I have reproduced the "issue" on my DZ, but as D3LTA9 said earlier, I have to hold it so awkwardly and gingerly that I end up dropping it before the hinge opens.
If your fingers are more than 1/8" wide, you will not hold your phone like this in any real-life, practical operation of the phone.
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This has to be the biggest non-issue I've ever seen when it comes to cell phone design. I have seen the videos online and I have reproduced the "issue" on my DZ, but as D3LTA9 said earlier, I have to hold it so awkwardly and gingerly that I end up dropping it before the hinge opens.
If your fingers are more than 1/8" wide, you will not hold your phone like this in any real-life, practical operation of the phone.
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Was just about the wrte the same.. i have a loose "hinge" but no problem..
so i ask "What Hinge Issue ???"
This was born out of people expecting something from the phone that it was not designed to do, with the way the hinge is designed it is always going to fall back on itself in certain situations, it doesn't lock into place and is not meant to.
Sure some are looser than others but its still not an issue, if you don't like it don't moan and try a replacement you need a different phone, get a milestone 2 or something.
Well, got my Z. Yes, it's loose, but I don't care, because opening and closing is very good and I don't use my phone like that, that keyboard would drop...
I'm sure mine is faulty, it just doesn't stay open when I'm trying to txt whilst doing a headstand!!
No,... seriously, mine is loose, doesn't take much effort to open or close, and it does shut itself if I open it and try to hold it face down horizontal... but I never need to use it in that position. Even in bed, if I'm lying on my back, there is always at least a 90 degree angle, maybe upto 140 degrees as the viewing angles are so nice.
My personal preference,... I would like it slight little bit tighter,... but saying that, then I wouldn't be able to open it with one finger???.... so actually,.... as it is is fine.
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Has anyone here done the "magnetic tape" trick to fix their loose hinge? Mine is starting to get loose, but I don't think it's much of a problem even though I keep opening/closing it to see how loose it might be.
This was actually discussed and attempted sometime ago. The guy who did it said it worked great and he didn't have any issues with the compass/GPS. As far as I know, he was the only one who tried though (before the thread got locked due to immature and off-topic posts). Some pics of his mod are on this page:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=802202&page=3
There is a video demonstrating its effectiveness on the page after.
Another solution is actually taking the hinge apart and messing with the spring inside. This has been successful for a lot of people (myself included).
Post here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=863919
Videos of mod here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=884455 (look through entire thread for more videos)
Hello. I hate to even make the post, but I do so love XDA-developers, and maybe somebody can help me out.
I managed to dunk the phone, lets not discuss how, in some pond water. I scoured the int3rwebz for solutions and seemed best advice was to dry with desiccant and a suggestion of an alcohol wash or use of electrical contact cleaner.
The phone was on when dropped, off when recovered. Water damage indicator on the phone was tripped, but the battery still shows red x's. Waited the requisite amount of days and the phone works! everything works.
Now the problem- I get a bit worried about the left over pond scum and I decide I'd be the mad scientist to use electrical contact cleaner on it. Sprayed the suspect areas and immediately blew out the phone with compressed air, let it sit a few nights in desiccant. Now I have some small bubbles in the screen( which was NOT sprayed...) . FML. figure they may be trapped cleaner and eventually evaporate. Not a huge deal, just a bit annoying.
THEN I realize my vibration now does not work. I attribute this to either the water or contact cleaner.
I am now one of a million posting "PHONE GOT WET HALP!!!" and I apologize for such a newbie post, but is there any hope for the vibration to begin working again magically?
Haptic feedback is a fairly big part of this phones operation, and I use silent mode at work with vibration.
If I am screwed on the vibration I have another newbie question:
Can you set different ring tones or sms tones to certain contacts? I have had phones that do this in the past but I cant seem to find anything on this one. I am using the newest version of fission at the moment- 2.6.1.
THANKS for any help/ useful information!
-Andrew
If you look in the battery compartment, I think in the lower left, you can actually see the vibration motor. I would check and make sure that nothing is blocking it. However, I would venture to say that being that it is the only (powered) moving part and being it being so exposed, I would imagine that it would be the most likely to get short circuited or otherwise damaged by the water.
Concur
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If you look in the battery compartment, I think in the lower left, you can actually see the vibration motor. I would check and make sure that nothing is blocking it. However, I would venture to say that being that it is the only (powered) moving part and being it being so exposed, I would imagine that it would be the most likely to get short circuited or otherwise damaged by the water.
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I would concur that it was probably short circuited. Do you have insurance?
I agree. I absolutely did not purchase insurance. Live and learn. That's why I don't mind using it as is.
On to the second question- any way to select varying tones for different contacts in phone ringer/ sms tones? Would I just find something on the market for this? again using fission ROM.
Can you change the green missed call/ sms received LED?
I should have left the phone as it was after drying and not gotten paranoid about the "left over pond scum mineral residue" Oh well.. again live and learn.
Thanks again for the replies.
-Andrew
Open the contact that you wanna change, hit menu and select "options" and it's obvious from there. As for the LED, try an app called Missed Call.
Sorry I missed those to begin with.
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Hello. I hate to even make the post, but I do so love XDA-developers, and maybe somebody can help me out.
I managed to dunk the phone, lets not discuss how, in some pond water. I scoured the int3rwebz for solutions and seemed best advice was to dry with desiccant and a suggestion of an alcohol wash or use of electrical contact cleaner.
The phone was on when dropped, off when recovered. Water damage indicator on the phone was tripped, but the battery still shows red x's. Waited the requisite amount of days and the phone works! everything works.
Now the problem- I get a bit worried about the left over pond scum and I decide I'd be the mad scientist to use electrical contact cleaner on it. Sprayed the suspect areas and immediately blew out the phone with compressed air, let it sit a few nights in desiccant. Now I have some small bubbles in the screen( which was NOT sprayed...) . FML. figure they may be trapped cleaner and eventually evaporate. Not a huge deal, just a bit annoying.
THEN I realize my vibration now does not work. I attribute this to either the water or contact cleaner.
I am now one of a million posting "PHONE GOT WET HALP!!!" and I apologize for such a newbie post, but is there any hope for the vibration to begin working again magically?
Haptic feedback is a fairly big part of this phones operation, and I use silent mode at work with vibration.
If I am screwed on the vibration I have another newbie question:
Can you set different ring tones or sms tones to certain contacts? I have had phones that do this in the past but I cant seem to find anything on this one. I am using the newest version of fission at the moment- 2.6.1.
THANKS for any help/ useful information!
-Andrew
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First off, this isn't really a newb post. Not once have I seen "is there any to trick Verizon into sending me a new phone blah blah blah"
Second, I think you got really lucky here especially for the phone having been on, and ESPECIALLY that the battery didn't get wet or damaged. For what happened, the vibration being gone is pretty minor damage.
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Second, I think you got really lucky here especially for the phone having been on, and ESPECIALLY that the battery didn't get wet or damaged. For what happened, the vibration being gone is pretty minor damage.
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I agree. I guess mad at myself because it was ok before the contact cleaner (d'oh). Oh well, maybe it will reduce some corrosion.
And thank you -Gilgamesh- Don't know how I missed that. I'll try that app as well.
I have a hard time contact cleaner as being the culprit. If it damaged electronics, then it would kind of defy the whole point? Not trying to argue, just seems like it would be the least likely thing to do it. Was it powdery or foamy or something? Maybe it clogged up mechanism, maybe try poking at it with a quetip or something to dislodge it? Or maybe the air pressure pushed some moisture further inside where it could do some damage? Either way, guess I'll make sure to stay away from using it myself anyway. >.<
WELL.. the electrical cleaner in question does say to re-lubricate any movable parts as the cleaner will most likely dissolve oil/lubrication. My guess is that this vibration motor was lubricated if only in a small way.
I agree, unless the phone was submerged in something KNOWN caustic or corrosive, then I would just dry it, and be done with it. (I do also have the new screen bubbles/ dead pixels after the cleaner too.) I read the stories of people submerging in high grade alcohol after the water based dunk so I thought what the heck and the mentioned area in the lower left- looked like a board to me- was sprayed (of course with battery out). I tested the stuff on paper and it was dry within seconds just from air. I sprayed the phone out with compressed air afterward and another few nights in industrial strength desiccant.
So now I'm wondering if I spray some lube (WD-40 just a drop?) into this area in the lower left (Vibration motor?) of course with battery out and adequate dry time?
Thanks for staying with me. I installed a few LED applications and now at least know how to set different ring tones for different contacts.
Of course I'm ecstatic that the display even works after the submersion. I was already pricing 6-700 phones and even thought of...dare I say it... downgrading.
-Andrew
I really wouldn't. WD-40 is high pressure, thus when the tiniest little squirt would prob end up coating most of the inside of the phone. With the battery out I doubt it would cause any shorts, but it may still cause via corrosion because of the chemicals. IF I were to use any type of lube on it, I'd use something made for moving parts, such as the little thing of oil/lubricant you get with a hair trimmers. That way you can easily just put a small drop. That being said, I have no idea what effect using such a product might cause. May fix it, or could permanently damage the phone. Never really tried anything like that.
Personally I would just cut my loses now. There isn't very much damage, and you don't know how much more damaged could be caused by doing something like this. Just my opinion.
Yeah probably best to leave well enough alone at this point. Working screen for the most part, everything else working, just a dead vibration mechanism.
Lesson to be learned for anyone searching- if you have no real reason to beleive the device will be corroded by the substance the device was submerged in... JUST DRY IT WITH DESICCANT! Like I said mine was on and streaming music when dropped, completely off when recovered. I thought it was shorted out for sure, or at least would have tripped some kind of fuse only to be known by verizon/ motorolla techs to be cheaply replaced for refurbished units.
Anyway... just glad to still have a working device. Now to live this down as the GF got a $0.01 droid 2 at the same time as i did, but hers works perfectly fine (I smell a sabotage in the near future.....)
-Andrew
HAHA good luck with that.
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Hello. I hate to even make the post, but I do so love XDA-developers, and maybe somebody can help me out.I
-Andrew
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cant help you on the vibration part but for the contacts, try going to the contact hitting menu button-->options-->ringtone
edit: i was beat to it, my internet was slow to load and saw no other posts but he OP lol.
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If you look in the battery compartment, I think in the lower left, you can actually see the vibration motor. I would check and make sure that nothing is blocking it. However, I would venture to say that being that it is the only (powered) moving part and being it being so exposed, I would imagine that it would be the most likely to get short circuited or otherwise damaged by the water.
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HA! Decided that id add a drop of wd-40 to the vibration motor. After re-reading gilgamesh's post here I remembered seeing a turbine like piece of metal spinning with the compressed air. I was thinking the very lower left where the main board is exposed, but this is pretty much to the left of the middle of the battery. You can see a white motor with gears on the output shaft and the "spinning metal fan blade...thingy"
so, I pull my battery and.... blue silica desiccant ball! Dunno how I missed it. Removed it with a pencil, battery back in, fire it up, success!
So now I just have what im guessing is some left over cleaner under the plastic screen, but it could actually be lcd damage. Ill just have to see if it ever evaporates.
Still in the running for luckiest unlucky droid 2 user 2011!
thanks again guys,
-andrew
Oops- double posted. Anyway moral of the story is use desiccant, but block all passages (I used cotton on the audio jack and port at lower left that goes to mainboard, but forgot the vibration motor.) And don't get any cleaner anywhere near the screen as it seems to have messed up my lcd a bit.
Also- if your vibrate stops working make sure that metal fan spins freely when you blow on it/ use compressed air.
-andrew
Congratulations!! Glad to hear it's fixed now!!
Yeah I think that award is going to you lol. Glad to hear you fix it.
Damn you're one lucky mofo...for being unlucky that is...
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Actually, I would say the opposite. One of the luckiest. Dropped it in a pond and came out working perfectly, in the end.
A simple question: is there any possible way to tighten the slide on the DVP? Basically, my top face is a little loose when the phone is in the closed position at the bottom right hand corner. I think it got a little loose when I was prying off the Otterbox case.
I'm guessing not, but I just wanted to know if someone might have figured out a way. I'm getting some screen burn-in anyway, so I might exchange the phone for that.
I'd be intersted to know as well as the screen on mine has gotten pretty loose over time. The screen moves noticeably when pressing on the bottom when closed. This happened just from everyday use.
I'm surprised that you mention burn-in as I didn't think that was possible with an OLED screen.
Not sure on the slider, but slight burn-in is normal on OLED screens. It will go away as you let it sit on the new screen for a while, but it is a part of the organic nature.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_LED#Disadvantages
my dvp was crappy from day one.
the slider mechanism is cruddy. ive even try to talk some sense into people about how the quality was poor.
everyone just blew me off as if it was fine.
thing is, it was probably loose all a long, you probably just didnt notice it.
most people dont notice these things until something happens to it, then they blame THAT instead.
look at my threads ive created .
I have to disagree, mostly because I remember not having any problems with the slider mechanism at first.
And then I tried to pry the case off to show it to a friend, and did it in a rush, and thus, remember noticing how much it was shifting irregularly.
Everyone's not in a conspiracy to prove you wrong, lemonspeakers. We're just not all going to have the same experience.
Frazzell, I know a certain amount of burn-in is normal, but I have mine set to black out after a minute anyway. A phone conversation with Dell revealed that they do, in fact, cover AMOLED burn in for replacement anyway, so might as well take advantage of it.
Desynthesis said:
A phone conversation with Dell revealed that they do, in fact, cover AMOLED burn in for replacement anyway, so might as well take advantage of it.
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If you do exchange it, be sure to test the replacement to make sure it's stable. I had gotten a replacement due to dust and the loose slider, but the replacement locked up like crazy. I ended up keeping the original for now. I am beginning to think the dust and loose slider are inevitable.
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If you do exchange it, be sure to test the replacement to make sure it's stable. I had gotten a replacement due to dust and the loose slider, but the replacement locked up like crazy. I ended up keeping the original for now. I am beginning to think the dust and loose slider are inevitable.
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Of course--it's the reason I'm not doing it immediately. Really, I think I made the mistake of wrenching the thing with my hands as I tried to pry off the Otterbox case, which is why I think this has happened.
In your first post, you pretty much exactly describe what I noticed (that is, if I close the phone and push the bottom right corner, there's some looseness clearly apparent). However, it's only in one corner. I'll have to give it some thought.
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The 30 second threshold is actually something built in to aid in detection of moisture on the screen and normalize the touch plane (like shaking an Etch A Sketch). The algorithm is this case assumes a finger that is on one spot for an extended period of time is actually a drop of water. If the finger is removed from the screen, touch should become usable again in a second or two in that spot. The touch driver would then detect essentially a "negative touch" in the area where the finger was removed and do a screen calibration (shake the Etch A Sketch again). We are looking into what can be done to increase this time threshold for you gamers and still provide a good water immunity experience. The tradeoff would be if your phone screen gets wet (rain or mist), the touch on the screen would become basically unusable. Stay tuned to this thread for updates.
It does make sense when you think about it.
Whenever I hear stuff like this I get a little bit disappointed. What ever happened to being able to ENABLE/DISABLE features like this? Wouldn't that make a hell of a lot more sense then trying to increase the threshold time?
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Whenever I hear stuff like this I get a little bit disappointed. What ever happened to being able to ENABLE/DISABLE features like this? Wouldn't that make a hell of a lot more sense then trying to increase the threshold time?
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Man I wish everyone would think like you.
Hopefully they will add an enable/disable button and be done with it.
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Whenever I hear stuff like this I get a little bit disappointed. What ever happened to being able to ENABLE/DISABLE features like this? Wouldn't that make a hell of a lot more sense then trying to increase the threshold time?
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I dunno. It can really go both ways to be honest. I don't think it's a massive flop by any means. I'm personally not the biggest gamer so it's not a big deal to me. But I do see where it's a bit of a ***** as well.
Hopefully they think of something constructive to address the challenge.
Thanks, plz keep us posted about this issue, this glitch is the worst of all. I hope they can fix it soon, altought i thought that they will fix it on the last release 4.1.83 but they did not!!!
It isn't completely without reason, though... So I don't think anyone can really call it a"glitch". That would be like saying the touchpad on a laptop it's glitched because the cursor won't move if you're palming it, even though most have features to prevent movement in such situations. It's basically to make sure the screen is still usable should it get a spot of water on it. But I guess if they didn't have such a measure, we'd possibly be reading threads complaining about the opposite.
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The 30 second threshold is actually something built in to aid in detection of moisture on the screen and normalize the touch plane (like shaking an Etch A Sketch). The algorithm is this case assumes a finger that is on one spot for an extended period of time is actually a drop of water. If the finger is removed from the screen, touch should become usable again in a second or two in that spot. The touch driver would then detect essentially a "negative touch" in the area where the finger was removed and do a screen calibration (shake the Etch A Sketch again). We are looking into what can be done to increase this time threshold for you gamers and still provide a good water immunity experience. The tradeoff would be if your phone screen gets wet (rain or mist), the touch on the screen would become basically unusable. Stay tuned to this thread for updates.
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Link to the actual thread where the quoted quote was said.
Quoted quote.....
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It isn't completely without reason, though... So I don't think anyone can really call it a"glitch". That would be like saying the touchpad on a laptop it's glitched because the cursor won't move if you're palming it, even though most have features to prevent movement in such situations. It's basically to make sure the screen is still usable should it get a spot of water on it. But I guess if they didn't have such a measure, we'd possibly be reading threads complaining about the opposite.
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I don't think I would ever say "This is horrible. I can't believe my phone doesn't work when I leave drops of water on the screen for 10+ secs!"...
Now, I say this all the time "I can't believe that I can't play most emulator games on the Atrix because I can't leave my finger on the same spot for 10+ secs"
I just hope that this doesn't have anything to do with hardware and more of a software problem (feature).
there should be a way for games to turn that off.
How do other phones handle that? HTC, Apple?
I agree, there should be a way to turn it off. They may have an explanation, but there really is no excuse when other phones like the iPhone handle such things completely seamlessly. Their implementation and solution to the perceived water issue may work, but only under ideal conditions (ie. where you aren't needing to touch the screen for some time).
I don't get this, who leaves water drops on their screen for 10+ second while they're using it? If I'm getting this straight, it will only ignore the input after it has been sitting there for a while.
The reason I post now is that I was using my SGS in the rain the other day. It actually did go wonky when some big water drops landed on it, but my reaction was not "gee I hope there is an algorithm that will ignore that input in 10 seconds" it was to wipe the water off and get to cover!
I game and never had a problem with this.
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I smell a "smart screen" toggle widget...
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If you have water on your screen for more than 10 seconds, you have bigger problems than whether touch is detected from that water drop or not. </dead phone>
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If you have water on your screen for more than 10 seconds, you have bigger problems than whether touch is detected from that water drop or not. </dead phone>
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uuh... last time i checked, water on the screen won't kill the phone.
And i don't think it's only referring to "Hey look, it's raining. Those drops of water might affect your touchscreen." I can't imagine tiny little droplets possibly from the process of wiping the screen wouldn't have the same effect.
maledyris: Well... that's also the iPhone... who's vast majority of users probably wouldn't be able to tell you why a capacitive touchscreen is leaps and bounds better than a resistive touchscreen, or even what the difference is. All they know is it's from Apple.... and has the GB's and the WiFi's.... and every sheep in town has one.
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uuh... last time i checked, water on the screen won't kill the phone.
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You're right, but how many people just let water hang out on the screen for long periods of time? I know I wipe it right off. A drop sitting there for 10+ seconds probably means water is getting behind the screen, probably means say goodbye to your phone as it is about to die.
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You're right, but how many people just let water hang out on the screen for long periods of time? I know I wipe it right off. A drop sitting there for 10+ seconds probably means water is getting behind the screen, probably means say goodbye to your phone as it is about to die.
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I don't think the water just goes through the screen, only entrance I see is through the speaker port