http://mobile.osnews.com/story.php/25048/Apple_Blocks_Sales_of_Samsung_Galaxy_Tab_10_1_in_EU
So... they make extremely generic designs, patent them, and wait until someone releases a product that remotely looks like it so they can sue the balls off you. This. Angered me beyond belief.
Your thoughts? Insanity. Wtf seriously. I can't believe I was an apple fanboy at one point in my life. I feel like I was in cahoots with Hitler.
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C'mon, let the big boys compare their penises.
Dud apple is evil. This is the first Ive ever heard of this being done. I mean cmon? Making all sorts of designs and getting patents. These people are evil. I feel bad for Samsung. The extent of apples capitalist tactics are insane. I think Sammy has underestimated how disgustingly horrid apple runs they're business. At this point, I would cut apple off from all sales of parts for they're phones and tablets. When the hand your feeding is stealing you're food, you cut them off. Simple. The iphone would fail without samsungs parts. I don't think apple realizes that.
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free enterprise market kids. I see nothing wrong here, move among. Move along.
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Ughh i need a Sammich to calm me down.
There spawn trappin us
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Dud apple is evil. This is the first Ive ever heard of this being done. I mean cmon? Making all sorts of designs and getting patents. These people are evil. I feel bad for Samsung. The extent of apples capitalist tactics are insane. I think Sammy has underestimated how disgustingly horrid apple runs they're business. At this point, I would cut apple off from all sales of parts for they're phones and tablets. When the hand your feeding is stealing you're food, you cut them off. Simple. The iphone would fail without samsungs parts. I don't think apple realizes that.
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If you feel something is not right here, then the one to blame is the patent agency that granted Apple the patents. If a company invests time and money in an invention and gets a legal document guaranteeing it the right to be the sole producer of that invention, then it's not the company's fault that it chose to defend that right. In fact, if a company does not vigorously defend its IP, it runs the risk of losing it (anyone remember the "there are two r's in Xerox campaign?).
I'm not familiar with the specific patents, but most of what I'm reading are complaints, like the OP's, that the patents are too vague. If so, the patents shouldn't have been granted and the agency in Europe responsible for making that decision erred. If the patents are appropriate, then it's Apple's right to protect its intellectual property.
I'm sick of the patent wars, but Apple is just playing by the rules it has been given.
Ironically, many of the people who complain about vague patents have never actually read through a complete patent file. Usually all they see is a one line summary quoted by whatever tech blog they visited that day and assume that one line is the entire patent. If anything, patent rage is too often just a product of fanboyism, and not rational thought.
The only people who think patents shouldn't exist are people who've never invented anything. They're just consumers who are too emotionally attached to their interest in technology and feel that the courts can never possibly do anything beneficial ever for anything.
There's also a kneejerk reaction from the anarchy of the tech community to shut anyone up who tries to see all sides of an issue. We've decided that patent law is a war of good vs. evil and any other way of looking at it is wrong.
Do Samsung products look more like iDevices than any other Android vendor? Probably. Is it really THAT hard to come up with a unique form factor? Or drop TouchWiz? Or something other than glossy plastic? There's a whole world of trivial design variations that could've avoided the 'similarity' mess that Samsung actively ignored. Ah well.
It's not like this generation of Android tablets is all that impressive anyway.
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Welcome to the world of patent trolling.
If you guys think that's bad, read this article.
http://www.androidcentral.com/apple...bout-motorola-xoom-design-may-seek-injunction
This is what happens when you're playing catch-up.
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That's funny.
Apple=sleazy tactics.... Ya think??? remember the smear camaigns they did on Vista? I firmly beleve that APPLE is the reason Vista did as bad as it did any why everyone hates it so much. Granted, it wasn't the best OS in history as it was a 'bit' bloated and slow, but overall, it wasn't THAT bad... Almost all the 'problems' with it was HARDWARE VENDORS not releasing decent drivers for it. I ran it from the time it was a RC until 7 was a RC and never had any trouble with it. Hell, I had more problems with Windows XP Tablet Edition (SP2 & 3) on my HP TC4400 than I ever did with Vista, even when it was a RC. 7 is WAY better, but Vista wasn't a miserable failure (unlike Win Me). Ever heard of the Mojave Experiment? MS took Vista, re-labled it "Windows Mojave" and had people check it out. Almost everyone LOVED the "new" OS... only to be shocked when they were told it was actually Vista.
Apple is a miserable POS company and I'd LOVE to see them go bankrupt and dissapear off the face of this planet, along with their crappy 'OS' and devices, but unfortunately that's not going to happen due to all the kool-aid drinkers.
Beofer you hate on me for calling their 'OS' crappy, MS's oses might be crappy, but at least you can do things with them. Good luck trying to do anything outside the "apple box" on a mac....
Just reading that article was enough to make me rage out. I've always thought that apple used terrible tactics and produced sub-par products. This patent stuff is just pure ignorance on the part of the patent office and the judicial system. the fact that apple was granted patent rights to a folder icon or something similar is ludicris. If I was able to patent everything I made to say tweak my computer or alter my webpage, then I would have a whole lot of things I could sue people over.
Apple already has the market cornered in a lot of places because people are mindless zombies who will pay an extra $500 for a computer so that it can run their "sleek amazing Operating system" ("cough cough" basically linux "cough cough"). Apple doesn't make hardware except in special cases, and their OS is limiting on what you can do to configure it as well as the access you can obtain using it but people use it because it "looks good". I guess that's all that matters right? Paying an extra $500 dollars for a computer that is aesthetically pleasing. Hell, apple will have you think they invented multitasking and copy and paste. I guarantee they would try to sue some one for that as well.
Its all just corporatism at its best. Stuff like this is what makes the free market economy a cut throat place to work in.
I hate Apple. I've been doing my part to talk people out of buying iPhones and anything Apple. I don't like how everything of theirs is completely locked down and you have to play by their rules. Hardly any customization.
When it comes to this kind of stuff, it just makes me sick. Yea, it's legal but it's just wrong how they can get away with stuff like this.
There's nothing we little people can do other then try and turn anyone we can away from iPhones and Apple Products.
I think Samsung is kinda infringing on designs that look similar to iPhones or iPads, but kinda hard not to. Maybe if they change the color from black to, idk, grey or green or something, & they had a patent for that, they would be better off. But everyone knows that black is a more common & neutral color for electronic devices. Hopefully, Samsung & Apple will settle this problem like gentlemen & not like 2 little kids fighting over a toy.
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... they had a patent for that...
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Reading this made me think Apple's new slogan should be "There's a patent for that."
I don't have a problem with Apple suing Sammy over patent infringement. Patents and copyrights are the basis for creativity and ingenuity. Apple developed a great product (whether we like it or not) and got patents on many of the features and components of their product. If other companies want to copy/steal their intellectual rights to those features and components, I think Apple is well within their rights to stop those companies.
@edonnelly, I lol'd and agree on that slogan :>
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I don't have a problem with Apple suing Sammy over patent infringement. Patents and copyrights are the basis for creativity and ingenuity. Apple developed a great product (whether we like it or not) and got patents on many of the features and components of their product. If other companies want to copy/steal their intellectual rights to those features and components, I think Apple is well within their rights to stop those companies.
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QFT, but surely you must see that Apple is abusing the legal system. The amount of lawsuits, and the reasons for them, are utterly absurd. Rules keep order, but abusing loopholes can cause more chaos than having no rules at all. Fu** Apple
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They're suing over design likeness, at least in the EU. Basically they say no one can have a thin, rectangular tablet with a black face. That is why they've gone after Samsung and Motorola. It would be humorous if they go after HTC for their non-black faced tablet, ha ha.
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Just read an article on Engadget that show Apple's patent diagram of the phone next to a Galaxy S I-9000. I think it is extremely hilarious that Apple is actually trying to follow through with this. I also found it tickling that the I-9000 had the app drawer open to resemble iOS. The corner shot was cheesy also. Anyone have thoughts on this? I hate to flame but this is just terrible and since we all own a Galaxy S device is applies to us.
Had some arguments with people on Engadget about icons. I guess we aren't able to use icons that represent that app, since that's what the definition of an icon is. This is my response to that:
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I have change all of the icons that resemble iOS icons to either something that has nothing to do with the app or left icons alone that don't look like iOS icons.
lol @ apple.
Hilarious considering Samsung makes components for Apple's computers and such.
Samsung had it coming...
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Apple can go f°¢k themselves
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It's things like this that just MAKE me hate Apple and the people that defend them. I mean seriously...what the hell? Samsung builds components for Apple products...like, ALOT of them. And then they go and sue them because a device resembles theirs? I mean come on, this is as dumb as Apple suing Amazon over it's whole AppStore thing.
Apple is most certainly the evil Empire that must be stopped.
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It's things like this that just MAKE me hate Apple and the people that defend them. I mean seriously...what the hell? Samsung builds components for Apple products...like, ALOT of them. And then they go and sue them because a device resembles theirs? I mean come on, this is as dumb as Apple suing Amazon over it's whole AppStore thing.
Apple is most certainly the evil Empire that must be stopped.
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Couldnt agree more. They'll do anything to get money, even if that means copyrighting the term appstore.
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It's things like this that just MAKE me hate Apple and the people that defend them. I mean seriously...what the hell? Samsung builds components for Apple products...like, ALOT of them. And then they go and sue them because a device resembles theirs? I mean come on, this is as dumb as Apple suing Amazon over it's whole AppStore thing.
Apple is most certainly the evil Empire that must be stopped.
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+1! Apple is being a sore loser
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Samsung had it coming...
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Agreed. They were trying way too hard to emulate apple products.
maybe apple should take a page out of samsungs book, like removeable battery and an sd slot...just saying
ashasaur said:
It's things like this that just MAKE me hate Apple and the people that defend them. I mean seriously...what the hell? Samsung builds components for Apple products...like, ALOT of them. And then they go and sue them because a device resembles theirs? I mean come on, this is as dumb as Apple suing Amazon over it's whole AppStore thing.
Apple is most certainly the evil Empire that must be stopped.
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Just because Samsung makes parts for apple doesnt equate to Samsung having rights to apple patents and copyrights to implement in their products. Apple is doing the right thing by suing. Hopefully samsung stops making stuff that looks like apple products, and start churning out some original looking phones.
The patent courts desperately need an overhaul. For gods sake, apple is trying to patent making a phone out of a certain material. Imagine mercedes benz getting a patent on using certain metals to make an automobile. This **** is ridiculous. **** apple and their petty antics.
Tapa tapa tapa
If I patent the smell of fecal matter, can I file a lawsuit against the population of the world? Well, maybe everyone minus Jobs & Co
FDro said:
Just because Samsung makes parts for apple doesnt equate to Samsung having rights to apple patents and copyrights to implement in their products. Apple is doing the right thing by suing. Hopefully samsung stops making stuff that looks like apple products, and start churning out some original looking phones.
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A screen on a slate. Hardware-wise, how different can we possibly expect these devices to be? We have come to expect a particular form factor.
Would you buy a laptop that has the screen and keyboard swapped so you have to type with your arms hovering in the air? And were laptop manufacturers copying each other by using the classic keyboard-down screen-up form factor?
Nah. This shouldn't be an issue, in my opinion.
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A screen on a slate. Hardware-wise, how different can we possibly expect these devices to be? We have come to expect a particular form factor.
Would you buy a laptop that has the screen and keyboard swapped so you have to type with your arms hovering in the air? And were laptop manufacturers copying each other by using the classic keyboard-down screen-up form factor?
Nah. This shouldn't be an issue, in my opinion.
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Apple sues for specific similarities in the hardware and software being sold as a package. Both the hardware and software emulate the iphone look. The color, contours, materials, operating system layout, specs, TW, etc are all similar enough to warrant this lawsuit.
You might not like apple, but they have the right to protect their patents, copyrights and trademarks...as does any company.
I expect the typical trolls and nerd rage against apple in here, but you have to blind not to see a similarity here.
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Apple sues for specific similarities in the hardware and software being sold as a package. Both the hardware and software emulate the iphone look. The color, contours, materials, operating system layout, specs, TW, etc are all similar enough to warrant this lawsuit.
You might not like apple, but they have the right to protect their patents, copyrights and trademarks...as does any company.
I expect the typical trolls and nerd rage against apple in here, but you have to blind not to see a similarity here.
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Hence the reason I pointed to the patent courts. The system is horribly flawed. This may be a legitimate issue, but there are instances that are quite ridiculous. apple had a patent on ' ...making a gesture on the screen to unlock the device...' Its not apple's fault they got that patent. the courts need to consider what is eligible for patent and what isn't. Can I get a patent on 'applying pressure to a button to turn on my phone?' Come on now.
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If I patent the smell of fecal matter, can I file a lawsuit against the population of the world? Well, maybe everyone minus Jobs & Co
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Prior Art invalidates your patent.
No worries Samsung is Counter suing Apple
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Hence the reason I pointed to the patent courts. The system is horribly flawed. This may be a legitimate issue, but there are instances that are quite ridiculous. apple had a patent on ' ...making a gesture on the screen to unlock the device...' Its not apple's fault they got that patent. the courts need to consider what is eligible for patent and what isn't. Can I get a patent on 'applying pressure to a button to turn on my phone?' Come on now.
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It extends beyond just that; malpractice lawsuits are ridiculous as well, big companies keeping smaller ones in court until they can't afford it, etc etc. Agreed.
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As Reuters reports and Apple has confirmed, Apple CEO Steve Jobs is stepping down from his leadership position. Apple's Board of Directors has named Tim Cook the company's new CEO. Jobs has been elected Chairman of the Board.
"I have made some of the best friends of my life at Apple, and I thank you all for the many years of being able to work alongside you," Jobs wrote in his resignation letter.
Below is Apple's official press release on the announcement (via Business Wire):
Apple’s Board of Directors today announced that Steve Jobs has resigned as Chief Executive Officer, and the Board has named Tim Cook, previously Apple’s Chief Operating Officer, as the company’s new CEO. Jobs has been elected Chairman of the Board and Cook will join the Board, effective immediately.
“Steve’s extraordinary vision and leadership saved Apple and guided it to its position as the world’s most innovative and valuable technology company,” said Art Levinson, Chairman of Genentech, on behalf of Apple's Board. “Steve has made countless contributions to Apple’s success, and he has attracted and inspired Apple’s immensely creative employees and world class executive team. In his new role as Chairman of the Board, Steve will continue to serve Apple with his unique insights, creativity and inspiration.”
“The Board has complete confidence that Tim is the right person to be our next CEO,” added Levinson. “Tim’s 13 years of service to Apple have been marked by outstanding performance, and he has demonstrated remarkable talent and sound judgment in everything he does.”
Jobs submitted his resignation to the Board today and strongly recommended that the Board implement its succession plan and name Tim Cook as CEO.
As COO, Cook was previously responsible for all of the company’s worldwide sales and operations, including end-to-end management of Apple’s supply chain, sales activities, and service and support in all markets and countries. He also headed Apple’s Macintosh division and played a key role in the continued development of strategic reseller and supplier relationships, ensuring flexibility in response to an increasingly demanding marketplace.
Apple designs Macs, the best personal computers in the world, along with OS X, iLife, iWork and professional software. Apple leads the digital music revolution with its iPods and iTunes online store. Apple has reinvented the mobile phone with its revolutionary iPhone and App Store, and has recently introduced iPad 2 which is defining the future of mobile media and computing devices.
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The Wall Street Journal published a letter from Steve Jobs announcing his resignation:
PRESS RELEASE: Letter from Steve Jobs
August 24, 2011–To the Apple Board of Directors and the Apple Community:
I have always said if there ever came a day when I could no longer meet my duties and expectations as Apple’s CEO, I would be the first to let you know. Unfortunately, that day has come.
I hereby resign as CEO of Apple. I would like to serve, if the Board sees fit, as Chairman of the Board, director and Apple employee.
As far as my successor goes, I strongly recommend that we execute our succession plan and name Tim Cook as CEO of Apple.
I believe Apple’s brightest and most innovative days are ahead of it. And I look forward to watching and contributing to its success in a new role.
I have made some of the best friends of my life at Apple, and I thank you all for the many years of being able to work alongside you.
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According to Reuters, Apple shares fell following the announcement.
Hopefully I won't get shunned by the community for this, but I'm actually a little disappointed.
I do really like Apple products, and I think without Jobs, they're going to become less of a competitor in the future. Less competition can make Android handset makers lazy because they aren't trying to steal the iPhone business.
And it's definitely going to hurt the tablet market. I like some of the newer tablets, but IMO, the iPad is still the best available right now. And if the iPad slows down, the tablets won't be in a hurry to catch up.
Maybe I'll be wrong. And maybe you guys won't hate me for that rant.
godsmacked4653 said:
Hopefully I won't get shunned by the community for this, but I'm actually a little disappointed.
I do really like Apple products, and I think without Jobs, they're going to become less of a competitor in the future. Less competition can make Android handset makers lazy because they aren't trying to steal the iPhone business.
And it's definitely going to hurt the tablet market. I like some of the newer tablets, but IMO, the iPad is still the best available right now. And if the iPad slows down, the tablets won't be in a hurry to catch up.
Maybe I'll be wrong. And maybe you guys won't hate me for that rant.
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Nope, I agree. If I had a choice I would go with the iPad.
I think he was just done. Everyone gets burned out eventually. We're better for what he brought us. Honestly I'm a little sad now for the Mac world.
godsmacked4653 said:
Hopefully I won't get shunned by the community for this, but I'm actually a little disappointed.
I do really like Apple products, and I think without Jobs, they're going to become less of a competitor in the future. Less competition can make Android handset makers lazy because they aren't trying to steal the iPhone business.
And it's definitely going to hurt the tablet market. I like some of the newer tablets, but IMO, the iPad is still the best available right now. And if the iPad slows down, the tablets won't be in a hurry to catch up.
Maybe I'll be wrong. And maybe you guys won't hate me for that rant.
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Jobs is a -EDIT- socialist corporate dictator in the stylings of a 1939-1945 German politician or a Stalin-era Soviet autocrat. I'm quite certain he hasn't killed anyone or tried to exterminate anything... except the competition, through any means possible.
wildstang83 said:
I think he was just done. Everyone gets burned out eventually. We're better for what he brought us. Honestly I'm a little sad now for the Mac world.
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Yeah he has pancreatic cancer so it's not exactly like he's tired of it, he's not healthy enough and probably some days unable to think at full capacity because of treatments.
Jobs is a NAZI.
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Obvious stupidity right there.
Apple has brought some amazing products and though I don't agree with the way they handle control over their products they still were and are pioneers in the portable MP3 player, smartphone and tablet world.
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Jobs is a NAZI.
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No, he is a very very wealthy business man. Are you even old enough to know the true meaning of that word? Thats pretty offensive to thtow that around, you look like a complete idiot.
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Apple has brought some amazing products and though I don't agree with the way they handle control over their products they still were and are pioneers in the portable MP3 player, smartphone and tablet world.
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+1 on that. I prefer Android, (obviously) but Apple started the non-business smartphone thing which opened up the market for Android.
The control thing is also an issue with me, but you can't argue with results. Apple is successful and tons of people use their stuff. They're obviously doing something right.
That blows man.
At least he'll have a more hands-on connection with the board of directors though.
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No, he is a very very wealthy business man. Are you even old enough to know the true meaning of that word? Thats pretty offensive to thtow that around, you look like a complete idiot.
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I'm old enough to remember what it was like to screw around on computers with dual 5.25 drives and monochrome screens, as well as the days Jobs was flying the Jolly Rodger over the headquarters of Apple. He's NOT an electronics innovator, he never was! Waz was the innovator! He screwed around with some code and got Apple where it is today though an overwhelmingly adversarial mode of management and leadership. I remember the Apple II... and do you know why? Because my dad was a developer on Unix platforms most of my life and the machines I played with at home as a kid blew those heaps of crap out of the water. Machines like the Leading Edge and the Compaq Deskpro series of 286 and 386 machines. Am I the ONLY one that knows where the GUI for the Mac came from??? It's not like Apple invented it! They basically STOLE it! Not that Gates is a whole lot better, but gimme a break people! Jobs is quite possibly the most cut-throat, aggressive man to ever rise to corporate power!
Does he have a vision? Yup. Is he successful? Sure is. Would I EVER buy an Apple product? Absolutely not. I don't like the philosophy of Steve Jobs. I don't like his management. I don't like his character. I don't like his history. I don't like the path he's led computing down in many regards. I don't like his belief in the "walled garden" user experience. If someone wants to argue Jobs hasn't run Apple as a dictator, you have NO legs to stand on. Through sheer force of personality, that man has pitted people against people like pit bulls in a dog fight. He's put his vision and his philosophies ahead of even the good of that company, which is how his ass got tossed the first time before he founded NeXT, which would certainly have gone belly up if not for a buy-out from Apple!
As for the fool who called my likening him to a NAZI stupid, consider that Jobs is WIDELY regarded as a man who'd sell his own mother to get the next iPhone out of development. He's a political and organizational socialist, in much the same style as NAZI and Soviet leadership. His cult of personality fits right in with them too. He's got this vision of an Apple world, and an Apple experience, but I can't see where he's ever given a damn about people's lives. The guy is only alive today because he bought his way onto every organ transplant list in the United States to get his liver!
Hate on me all you want, but I'm right. I don't like the guy. I've just explained why. If you've got a problem with this, do the RIGHT thing and PM me. Don't turn this into some flame war. I won't be back to this thread to be tempted.
Wow to both the previous comment and Steve Jobs stepping down.
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Jobs is a NAZI.
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well thats a harsh comment personally i like apple products and ios would i buy one instead of an android device? probably why? because android basically came from ios if you look at android and ios and compare how theyve grown everytime ios grows android seems to grow also there would be no android without ios without ios we would still be on cupcacke....what jobs has done with apple is awesome hopefully him backing down doesnt effect their products.
That's quite a surprise for the man that changed the way we saw the computer, literally.
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I like Apple products because of two things:
1. It's more techno gadgetry to play with.
2. Their shiny.
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I'm old enough to remember what it was like to screw around on computers with dual 5.25 drives and monochrome screens, as well as the days Jobs was flying the Jolly Rodger over the headquarters of Apple. He's NOT an electronics innovator, he never was! Waz was the innovator! He screwed around with some code and got Apple where it is today though an overwhelmingly adversarial mode of management and leadership. I remember the Apple II... and do you know why? Because my dad was a developer on Unix platforms most of my life and the machines I played with at home as a kid blew those heaps of crap out of the water. Machines like the Leading Edge and the Compaq Deskpro series of 286 and 386 machines. Am I the ONLY one that knows where the GUI for the Mac came from??? It's not like Apple invented it! They basically STOLE it! Not that Gates is a whole lot better, but gimme a break people! Jobs is quite possibly the most cut-throat, aggressive man to ever rise to corporate power!
Does he have a vision? Yup. Is he successful? Sure is. Would I EVER buy an Apple product? Absolutely not. I don't like the philosophy of Steve Jobs. I don't like his management. I don't like his character. I don't like his history. I don't like the path he's led computing down in many regards. I don't like his belief in the "walled garden" user experience. If someone wants to argue Jobs hasn't run Apple as a dictator, you have NO legs to stand on. Through sheer force of personality, that man has pitted people against people like pit bulls in a dog fight. He's put his vision and his philosophies ahead of even the good of that company, which is how his ass got tossed the first time before he founded NeXT, which would certainly have gone belly up if not for a buy-out from Apple!
As for the fool who called my likening him to a NAZI stupid, consider that Jobs is WIDELY regarded as a man who'd sell his own mother to get the next iPhone out of development. He's a political and organizational socialist, in much the same style as NAZI and Soviet leadership. His cult of personality fits right in with them too. He's got this vision of an Apple world, and an Apple experience, but I can't see where he's ever given a damn about people's lives. The guy is only alive today because he bought his way onto every organ transplant list in the United States to get his liver!
Hate on me all you want, but I'm right. I don't like the guy. I've just explained why. If you've got a problem with this, do the RIGHT thing and PM me. Don't turn this into some flame war. I won't be back to this thread to be tempted.
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There are definitely some valid points there. There are several fallacies, too.
Was Jobs an overbearing ****? Probably. In a social settings, that's terrible. In a business setting? It's genius.
Apple's "walled garden" creates an unparalleled experience for the consumer. Set yourself up with a nice Mac, an iPhone and an iPad, and see how easy it is to stream media to every room in your house, your TV, etc. On top of that, everything in uniform and is actually held to, if nothing else, an aesthetic standard. The apps are interface are very high quality and 99% work just as they should, all the time. I, for one, am very envious of that.
My Incredible doesn't play nice with Windows all the time. Sometimes I download what sounds like a really cool app, only to find out the interface sucks or it crashes all the time because the developer hasn't updated it for Gingerbread. I can't expect my phone to stay updated, because technology moves incredibly fast and Verizon is greedy and holds out on said updates, as we've all seen recently here. With an Apple product? I'll get the same update as everyone else, the day it comes out, and it won't involve Verizon forcing me to have Slacker radio installed on my phone.
Google (and Microsoft, Nokia, whoever) can try as hard as they want to stomp out that "walled garden," but that simplicity and efficiency is totally unmatched on any other platform. For the average, not-so-tech-savvy user, (parents, girlfriends, that one dumb friend) putting them in a walled garden is genius. They can't break anything.
Personally, I think that's what Steve Jobs is leaving behind; an amazing marketing strategy and a fully realized vision of a simplified automation of technology aiding the average person in their everyday life. Not "being a big mean Nazi at the head of a company."
PS.
Just for reference, I love my Incredible, I had a Moto Droid before it, and my next phone will hopefully be an EVO 3D. I use Google Music and Banshee, and I dual-boot Win7 and Ubuntu. I'll probably have a Google TV by the end of the year. I am by no means an Apple fanboy. Don't even have an iPod. I'm just calling it how I see it.
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Edit: I would like to add in wildstang's excellent point.
Apple products are shiny.
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There are definitely some valid points there. There are several fallacies, too.
Was Jobs an overbearing ****? Probably. In a social settings, that's terrible. In a business setting? It's genius.
Apple's "walled garden" creates an unparalleled experience for the consumer. Set yourself up with a nice Mac, an iPhone and an iPad, and see how easy it is to stream media to every room in your house, your TV, etc. On top of that, everything in uniform and is actually held to, if nothing else, an aesthetic standard. The apps are interface are very high quality and 99% work just as they should, all the time. I, for one, am very envious of that.
My Incredible doesn't play nice with Windows all the time. Sometimes I download what sounds like a really cool app, only to find out the interface sucks or it crashes all the time because the developer hasn't updated it for Gingerbread. I can't expect my phone to stay updated, because technology moves incredibly fast and Verizon is greedy and holds out on said updates, as we've all seen recently here. With an Apple product? I'll get the same update as everyone else, the day it comes out, and it won't involve Verizon forcing me to have Slacker radio installed on my phone.
Google (and Microsoft, Nokia, whoever) can try as hard as they want to stomp out that "walled garden," but that simplicity and efficiency is totally unmatched on any other platform. For the average, not-so-tech-savvy user, (parents, girlfriends, that one dumb friend) putting them in a walled garden is genius. They can't break anything.
Personally, I think that's what Steve Jobs is leaving behind; an amazing marketing strategy and a fully realized vision of a simplified automation of technology aiding the average person in their everyday life. Not "being a big mean Nazi at the head of a company."
PS.
Just for reference, I love my Incredible, I had a Moto Droid before it, and my next phone will hopefully be an EVO 3D. I use Google Music and Banshee, and I dual-boot Win7 and Ubuntu. I'll probably have a Google TV by the end of the year. I am by no means an Apple fanboy. Don't even have an iPod. I'm just calling it how I see it.
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Edit: I would like to add in wildstang's excellent point.
Apple products are shiny.
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ok..... I was tempted and came back.
I will agree with every point you just made. I don't see how it conflicts with anything I said, either. And yeah.... they sure are shiny!
That said, the guy really did run the place into the ground before he was expelled. He's effectively destroyed Apple as a legitimate computer company today. Anything running OSX is obsolete before it hits the shelves. OSX, itself, is obsolete and poorly maintained. Apple USED to be something to lust over in computers, and then they got wierder, and weirder and more expensive, and the walls of that garden nearly crushed them. I think the cold hard reality is that their stuff is overpriced for what you get, it's becoming more a pain in the ass to use, ESPECIALLY if you don't want to become "one with the Steve Jobs way", and if they continue down a path of eco-system isolation, you're going to eventually see an Apple that looks like it did in the G4 era. And nobody ever thought that giant would go bust 5 or 6 years before that! ....they're already going down the road of weird proprietary connectors again! I think he's been lucky as much as "visionary".
He ran it into the ground?
http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-has-more-cash-on-hand-than-the-us-government-2011-7 then how do they have more money than the federal government? That isnt running it to the grou.d.
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Jobs is a -EDIT- socialist corporate dictator in the stylings of a 1939-1945 German politician or a Stalin-era Soviet autocrat. I'm quite certain he hasn't killed anyone or tried to exterminate anything... except the competition, through any means possible.
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Corporations and socialism don't mix.
You don't know what socialism actually means. To help you along with your education, here's the definition:
Socialism - an economic system in which the means of production are publicly or commonly owned and controlled cooperatively
You can dislike somebody without stooping to calling them a Nazi or socialist, especially when they don't carry any of those traits- and in this case the total opposite traits. Apple is as capitalistic as they come.
// After already going back and forth with you in a couple of threads before, I'm tired of it. So I won't reply to whatever rebuttal you have, no matter how offensive, pretentious or ill-informed it is.
I hope Steve Jobs gets better and people like you educate themselves.
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He ran it into the ground?
http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-has-more-cash-on-hand-than-the-us-government-2011-7 then how do they have more money than the federal government? That isnt running it to the grou.d.
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I was actually going to point this out. Apple is an extremely wealthy company.
Not sure how everything Apple makes is "obsolete as soon as it hits the shelves," either. Their retina display is head and shoulders above nearly every other handset screen available. OS X is more or less leading in terms of desktop interface. Windows and even some Linux distros are copying the OS X desktop. And the iPad still pretty much beats every other tablet by miles.
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. . . He's effectively destroyed Apple as a legitimate computer company today. Anything running OSX is obsolete before it hits the shelves. OSX, itself, is obsolete and poorly maintained. . . I think the cold hard reality is that their stuff is overpriced for what you get, it's becoming more a pain in the ass to use ...they're already going down the road of weird proprietary connectors again! . . .
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The original iPad was all about proprietary connectors, as are most of their portables. But, the marketplace supports their interfaces rather robustly.
Their Macs have all sorts of interfaces and are again industry-supported to a wide degree.
You're offering zombie Apple-hating points that have been spouted for many years, yet Apple's been doing generally quite well for some time.
Although, it seems you don't even know the difference between a German Nazi (i.e., National Socialist German Workers) Party and actual socialism. "Socialist" was placed in the Nazi Party name to lure in the real socialists (who were considered enemies of the party's goals), if I recall correctly.
So, perhaps I should suspect your similarly "off" assertions about Apple's successes and Steve Jobs role, as well.
And, I don't even like Apple products.
- ooofest
I'm not a fan of Apple products either, but from a competition standpoint, it's a necessary evil. The more competition, the better for the consumer. But from a business standpoint they just aren't open enough to be compatible with a corporate windows network.
I had to come on here to read some stuff about android since the tech news sites are all over crapple today. Although I wish that stupid thread about switching to a sprint I phone wasn't here... Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out blow Jobs.
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cool story brah
This is why xda sucks anymore.
Boo
Yes, apple is not my idea of a phone, as it's rather wimpy and lacking!
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This is why xda sucks anymore.
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Because people [like you] make threads that are completely pointless and try to get responses and fights out of people?
Yeah, you're right about that one.
LyndenP said:
I had to come on here to read some stuff about android since the tech news sites are all over crapple today. Although I wish that stupid thread about switching to a sprint I phone wasn't here... Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out blow Jobs.
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A guy takes a failing company and turns it into one of the most powerful companies in the world. He then gets cancer is now probably dying from it and all this ass hole can do is say that. Nice. I don't expect nice words, I really don't have much of a opinion myself but show some damn respect to a dying man by not saying anything.
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A guy takes a failing company and turns it into one of the most powerful companies in the world. He then gets cancer is now probably dying from it and all this ass hole can do is say that. Nice. I don't expect nice words, I really don't have much of a opinion myself but show some damn respect to a dying man by not saying anything.
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Yes, Jobs did a lot for Apple and its not his fault that people like their products
You folks are funny. Seriously it was commentary on how every freaking story on cnet or engadget or whatever was about Jobs stepping down. Fools I tell you.
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It's a guy stepping down as ceo of a company. Don't worship false idols.
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It's a guy stepping down as ceo of a company. Don't worship false idols.
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Nobody is "worshiping" any one.
He's one of the founders of personal computers.
He took Apple to a completely new level.
Not sure what your deal is guy. Need some of this:
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Yes, Jobs did a lot for Apple and its not his fault that people like their products
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Actually it is. Once he came back after getting the boot, he transformed apple, and is directly responsible for people liking their products.
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It's a guy stepping down as ceo of a company. Don't worship false idols.
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He is a very smart man who made devices for the masses. Without the iproducts, there would (most likely) be no android. So thank you Steve Jobs for everything.
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A guy takes a failing company and turns it into one of the most powerful companies in the world. He then gets cancer is now probably dying from it and all this ass hole can do is say that. Nice. I don't expect nice words, I really don't have much of a opinion myself but show some damn respect to a dying man by not saying anything.
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you mad brah? need a hug? I mean seriously everytime someone says something about Apple you go ape ****. GTFO of the Evo forums if you love Apple products so much. I read your **** about the Macbook Pro and how you dogged others because they could "not" afford" a Macbook Pro. Personally I dont give a **** about Apple, never have and never will.. Last Apple product I used was an Apple II from years ago.
However I am not saying I dont like Apple, nor do I hate Apple, I just dont give a **** about Apple because of what it has made people like "YOU" become. Total assholes no matter where you go.
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you mad brah? need a hug? I mean seriously everytime someone says something about Apple you go ape ****. GTFO of the Evo forums if you love Apple products so much. I read your **** about the Macbook Pro and how you dogged others because they could "not" afford" a Macbook Pro. Personally I dont give a **** about Apple, never have and never will.. Last Apple product I used was an Apple II from years ago.
However I am not saying I dont like Apple, nor do I hate Apple, I just dont give a **** about Apple because of what it has made people like "YOU" become. Total assholes no matter where you go.
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No my problem is with idiots. In this case it's the idiot who is talking **** about a guy who stepped down because of his most likely pending death due to cancer. All he could do was bad mouth the guy, and for what? Because he is the CEO of a company that competes with the company of a product he bought! That's just freaking sad. If a family member of his falls ill due to cancer I don't think they'd want anyone to treat them with any type of disrespect.
That thing about Macbooks? Its not about not being able to afford a Mac, it's about acting like they are worthless or don't present some kind of value for the added price. It's a different market with different consumers. Again, my problem is with a few specific idiots who fail to see the obvious or use common sense.
Steve Jobs transformed a failing company into what is known as Apple today. His health has suffered throughout the years, but he stayed with Apple and continued to make appearances. That is commendable at the very least.
Sure, I disagree with the way that Apple handles patent issues and locking down software. And claiming "revolutionary" things that have been done before. They do make good pieces of hardware though, even though I could never use an iPhone because of a small screen.The hardware is overpriced, but it is quality work and works well for what it is designed for. I don't have a Mac, as I am not some wealthy kid, but my experiences have been positive with them.
Apple helped kicked off a massive technological race. I disagree with the way the company handles software and patents, yes, but it is still a good company. Obviously it is doing well financially.
I will never switch to iPhone because of small screen and software, but it isn't that bad a piece of hardware. To each his own, choose whatever they want. Options are always good.
And Steve Jobs deserves commendation for making a successful company and sticking through it even while sick.
I'm 16, make minimum wage and only a sophomore. Let us try to be reasonable about this.
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Yes, apple is not my idea of a phone, as it's rather wimpy and lacking!
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Agreed. My friend who has an iphone cant wait to switch to an Android when her plan is up. I think most people famously live by "never satisfied".
What op was trying to say kind of lame all that was on the news was jobs which I agree resepct to the dieing **** but kinda dumb to see tons of articles plastered about apple
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Steve Jobs transformed a failing company into what is known as Apple today. His health has suffered throughout the years, but he stayed with Apple and continued to make appearances. That is commendable at the very least.
Sure, I disagree with the way that Apple handles patent issues and locking down software. And claiming "revolutionary" things that have been done before. They do make good pieces of hardware though, even though I could never use an iPhone because of a small screen.The hardware is overpriced, but it is quality work and works well for what it is designed for. I don't have a Mac, as I am not some wealthy kid, but my experiences have been positive with them.
Apple helped kicked off a massive technological race. I disagree with the way the company handles software and patents, yes, but it is still a good company. Obviously it is doing well financially.
I will never switch to iPhone because of small screen and software, but it isn't that bad a piece of hardware. To each his own, choose whatever they want. Options are always good.
And Steve Jobs deserves commendation for making a successful company and sticking through it even while sick.
I'm 16, make minimum wage and only a sophomore. Let us try to be reasonable about this.
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I could no have said it better my self young sir. Well done, well done.
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cev2387 said:
I could not have said it better my self young sir. Well done, well done.
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tropicalbrit said:
Steve Jobs transformed a failing company into what is known as Apple today. His health has suffered throughout the years, but he stayed with Apple and continued to make appearances. That is commendable at the very least.
Sure, I disagree with the way that Apple handles patent issues and locking down software. And claiming "revolutionary" things that have been done before. They do make good pieces of hardware though, even though I could never use an iPhone because of a small screen.The hardware is overpriced, but it is quality work and works well for what it is designed for. I don't have a Mac, as I am not some wealthy kid, but my experiences have been positive with them.
Apple helped kicked off a massive technological race. I disagree with the way the company handles software and patents, yes, but it is still a good company. Obviously it is doing well financially.
I will never switch to iPhone because of small screen and software, but it isn't that bad a piece of hardware. To each his own, choose whatever they want. Options are always good.
And Steve Jobs deserves commendation for making a successful company and sticking through it even while sick.
I'm 16, make minimum wage and only a sophomore. Let us try to be reasonable about this.
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You sir are have the maturity level of an old man lol. Good to see somebody throw some input into the situation as opposed to the usual trolls I'm accustomed to seeing around these parts now a days.
Well put indeed...
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Wow, look at that:--
Samsung confirmed it will sue Apple immediately if it releases an LTE device. This seems directed squarely at the new iPhone as currently the iPad does sell with LTE on board. Obviously, this legal case is just a start of a huge change, not the end of anything.
Considering Apple iPhone 5 is almost certain to come with LTE on board, let's see what happens.
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Samsung will sue Apple immediately if they release an LTE device
The Empire will strike back. And if i were Samsung i would partner with Nokia which currently has the most LTE patents and cross licence pattents with them just to bring the rotten fruit down.
Every company out there should team up and sue apple.....apple is literally killing innovation
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If Google, Motorola, Samsung and HTC join forces to attack Apple, there is practically no chance of survival for Apple.
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Is anyone else alarmed by the statements that Google and Samsung are distancing themselves away from each other? Even if this is just for the patent stuff could it not leave a bitter taste in each others mouths?
I'm quite happy for Apple to innovate, but if they want to do it over everyone else's dead body, they can f-off .... and die themselves.
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If Google, Motorola, Samsung and HTC join forces to attack Apple, there is practically no chance of survival for Apple.
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Google owns Motorola
shaggydabbydo said:
I'm quite happy for Apple to innovate,
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Uhm, stopped reading after this. Have they ever innovated anything? Taking something previously done, adding their touches to it, patenting every aspect of it and releasing it to the world saying they have innovated; really isn't innovating.
Sometimes, they also try to alter the original recipe to even further claim they've innovated, when they've still not. Can there be a more pathetic excuse of a company than Apple?
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Every company out there should team up and sue apple.....apple is literally killing innovation
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Not really. Look at Windows Mobile phones. They are totally different from iPhone both on OS and phone design. If you want to innovate you can. If you want to steal Apple's ideas, you can do that too, but there's obviously a price for that.
Windows mobile it a innovation of poo. Apple ios5 and 6 are full of stolen android ideas.
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Not really. Look at Windows Mobile phones. They are totally different from iPhone both on OS and phone design. If you want to innovate you can. If you want to steal Apple's ideas, you can do that too, but there's obviously a price for that.
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Yeah, pay 1billion and become 2nd biggest mobile device manufacturer in the world. Why not?
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Uhm, stopped reading after this. Have they ever innovated anything? Taking something previously done, adding their touches to it, patenting every aspect of it and releasing it to the world saying they have innovated; really isn't innovating.
Sometimes, they also try to alter the original recipe to even further claim they've innovated, when they've still not. Can there be a more pathetic excuse of a company than Apple?
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Apple has innovated by the actual definition. Same for Samsung and others.
The good thing about all this is other manufacturers are forced into becoming Patent Trolls to Patent stuff they wouldn't usually bother with just to keep Apple's hands off it, and that's gonna mean Apple has less power and they won't be able to use these Bully Boy tactics anymore.
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Every company out there should team up and sue apple.....apple is literally killing innovation
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A very eloquent statement. And very true. I can't believe apple defects to suing rather than innovating. It saddens me. I used to like the iPhone. I believe it has helped the market grow like never before, but not any more. Silly apple. Innovation is for mature companies. Haha.
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Apple has innovated by the actual definition. Same for Samsung and others.
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Okay, I admit, they actually have innovated. They are the first company to ever be so darn retarded.
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If you want to innovate you can. If you want to steal Apple's ideas, you can do that too, but there's obviously a price for that.
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Yeah, and Apple really innovated with concepts such as... "a rectangular device with rounded corners and a flat surface."
The really frightening thing is that they managed to actually get a patent for that. I'm usually very proud to be an American, but the US Patent Office is a huge disgrace to the country.
hahaha...its gonna be interesting!!
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Is anyone else alarmed by the statements that Google and Samsung are distancing themselves away from each other? Even if this is just for the patent stuff could it not leave a bitter taste in each others mouths?
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it never will, samsung is one of the major contributors for android.. sometimes its better to keep mum rather than pledge the support and get into trouble
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Every company out there should team up and sue apple.....apple is literally killing innovation
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As far as I know the Galaxy S3 hasn't been the subject of any lawsuit so far, so clearly the fact that Samsung innovated with the S3 rather than copy Apple shows.
Innovation isn't copying another company. Here's an example of innovation:
Apple buys Siri and includes it with every iPhone 4S, putting it into the hands of millions.
Google, rather than copying, creates their own "knowledge graph" and builds something better; something that responds incredibly quickly, accurately, and reads most answers out loud back to the user in a really easy to understand, human voice. This is innovation.
Samsung, on the other hand, created something that looks like Siri, tries to act like Siri, pulls data from the same sources (Wolfram Alpha + others) and is a hell of a lot slower. It was basically a complete failure all around.
Google has managed to pretty much avoid any problems with Android so far by creating their own innovative features. Samsung has done this for the most part in the S3, but there's still a hint of copying there, especially with S Voice as I have stated above.
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Theshawty said:
Uhm, stopped reading after this. Have they ever innovated anything? Taking something previously done, adding their touches to it, patenting every aspect of it and releasing it to the world saying they have innovated; really isn't innovating.
Sometimes, they also try to alter the original recipe to even further claim they've innovated, when they've still not. Can there be a more pathetic excuse of a company than Apple?
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Taking something that exists and making it better is still innovating. Taking multiple things that exist and combining them together to create something much better is innovating (S Beam for example)
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Yeah, and Apple really innovated with concepts such as... "a rectangular device with rounded corners and a flat surface."
The really frightening thing is that they managed to actually get a patent for that. I'm usually very proud to be an American, but the US Patent Office is a huge disgrace to the country.
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Maybe Apple will sue brick making companies for breaking Apple's design guidelines.
See http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/31/apple-samsung-galaxy-s-iii-galaxy-note-patent-lawsuit/
I'm not a patent lawyer, so I'm not going to comment on the validity of the case, but the US does seem like a hostile place for a non US company that competes with Apple.
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The cat's my favourite.
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Feel sorry for us citizens ... I doubt samsung lauches any other product there... apple's stupidity its Just hurting their people... their products are Just a piece of crap... and they wont get any android market person by getting samsung out of game
I dont see chevy or ford suing toyota or ferrari because toyota and ferrari cars has engines and 4 wheels... plain retard
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but did anyone patent the form of a car?
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but did anyone patent the form of a car?
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This time it's not about rectangles with rounded corners but some stupid software patents such as slide to unlock and auto-completion. That's pretty sad but I'm surely happy for not living in america, it would suck to only have apple products to choose from.
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For me the question is why did Apple get patents of such simple things in the first place?? Why not get a patent for the letter A and every time someone uses an A ..........
I am NOTE amused.
There's one that covers clicking on a number from an email to open a dialler. Having to do away with such simple things will render them super powerful dummy phones.
Also v happy to be in Europe over this.
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There's one that covers clicking on a number from an email to open a dialler. Having to do away with such simple things will render them super powerful dummy phones.
Also v happy to be in Europe over this.
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i thought this feature was there long time even in early windows mobile times
So did I. Either it's a refinement of the idea or they're trying to claim a patent on an idea kicking around from before they started thinking about making phones.
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We have to take into consideration two different things here. First Apple has every right to defend it's patents. Everyone of us would do the same if we had valid patents and someone would infringe on them. The one thing that's wrong here isn't exactly Apples behaviour, that's completely legitimate. The problem is the US patent law. E.g. Apple holds a patent for clicking on phone numbers in e-mails to directly call it. They successfully sued HTC because they had infringed on that patent. The question is not whether it's right or wrong to sue, it's law, it's their right to do so. The question is: Why on earth were they able to get this patent? My first WM Smartphone had been able to do that long before the Iphone was available. Why is it possible in the US to patent something which has clearly not been invented by the person/ company who/ that is claiming the patent because the corresponding technology/ software/ whatever existed long before the patent application is filed? That's the real issue here. Most of Apple's patents are no inventions but old technologies that have been improved/ optimized by Apple. To every sane person it should be clear that you cannot patent something you have not invented. And if you use and/ or improve an existing technology which isn't protected by patents you are free to do so but it should also be clear that you cannot patent the outcome because your product is based on something you have not invented and thus is simply not yours. It's not right to claim the invention of someone else for yourself. That should not be protected by the law.
One addition concerning software. E.g. you should not be granted patents for gestures which have been known to mankind for thousends of years (pinch to zoom...), the only thing that's new about it is the fact that the gesture is used with a touchscreen. But the code should be protected. So if someone writes his own code to enable pinch to zoom that's alright but if he uses your code that's infringement. But patenting things like gestures, scrollbars, icon grids, click to call... is just insane. Only imagine what situation we would be in now if it had been possible to patent breaks, breaking lights, steering wheels, seats, seatbelts, windscreens... There would not be many different cars because it would not be possible to build one without infringing on the owners patents. Those things had all been whell known when the car was invented, the only thing new about it was using them to build cars. And that's exactly what Apple has been doing. They used existing technologies to build the Iphone.
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Agree with altae. But I dislike Apple more and more now. I just don't like being told what I should buy. And I want more options, not less. I can say with pride that I've NEVER bought any apple products. They're overpriced, communist design sucks
Overpriced is right. In parts of Asia, those Iphone 4s can cost over $1000usd. That's a lot of money for re branded Samsung hardware, running ios.
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no wonder they have money than the US government ..i guess they will be the one who buy the us assets ..so you can imagine the whol eof the USA owned and ruled by an apple bite !!!
Lol... I don't even. Can't wait for Samsung to say f**k you apple, make your own damn hardware. In fact they should just refuse to let them use whatever hardware samsung made for the iPhone 5. That'd screw things up. Unfortunately its not that simple
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aalupatti said:
i thought this feature was there long time even in early windows mobile times
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It was. Only problem is that Apple patented it.
Only time will tell now with aos v ios as google is stepping into the mix by launching a lawsuit against apple based on software similarities. The drop down menu was firstly seen on win mobile yet aos patent it first and then was included in the ios 4.
The whole samsung issue came with sammy not renewing its hardware contract with apple.
The problem is it will only affect the consumer of devices that are more powerful. As apple wont make drastic changes to their product rather adding an S to the back of things that are already released.
U have to give them credit in some regard due to changing the smartphone world for all
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Lol... I don't even. Can't wait for Samsung to say f**k you apple, make your own damn hardware. In fact they should just refuse to let them use whatever hardware samsung made for the iPhone 5. That'd screw things up. Unfortunately its not that simple
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Samsung won't tell apple to f**k off, because they make far more money from delivering hardware to apple than they lost in court.
And on a side note, allthough i find the decision incorrect, maybe that is a good thing, samsung loosing this battle.
It is a kick that will make them create even better devices than before.
And as for apple, they are simply way behind the competition, so their only way of fighting back is by suing other companies.
We don't have to worry though, time will wash away apple, they cannot stand the combined assault of android devices
pjfriend said:
There's one that covers clicking on a number from an email to open a dialler. Having to do away with such simple things will render them super powerful dummy phones.
Also v happy to be in Europe over this.
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Patent law dictates non-obviousness. Most functions were already there, or there were apps for it in Windows.
A they shouldnt have gotten a lot of patents anyways. Patent granters were sleeping.
B The jury spend to little time on validity of Apples claims. Some patent trials have gone on for years, and here in 3 days they go throught 200, plain bullsh*#t
Only good that can come of this is Samsung/competitors tighter on innovation side. Which is a good thing.
That and offering side loading functionality throught apps that add the functionality. Either way Apple is screwed in long run if it wants to continue to innovate. Closed vs open, is like dictators vs the free world. Free world always wins , in long run anyways.
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