I had to come on here to read some stuff about android since the tech news sites are all over crapple today. Although I wish that stupid thread about switching to a sprint I phone wasn't here... Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out blow Jobs.
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cool story brah
This is why xda sucks anymore.
Boo
Yes, apple is not my idea of a phone, as it's rather wimpy and lacking!
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This is why xda sucks anymore.
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Because people [like you] make threads that are completely pointless and try to get responses and fights out of people?
Yeah, you're right about that one.
LyndenP said:
I had to come on here to read some stuff about android since the tech news sites are all over crapple today. Although I wish that stupid thread about switching to a sprint I phone wasn't here... Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out blow Jobs.
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A guy takes a failing company and turns it into one of the most powerful companies in the world. He then gets cancer is now probably dying from it and all this ass hole can do is say that. Nice. I don't expect nice words, I really don't have much of a opinion myself but show some damn respect to a dying man by not saying anything.
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A guy takes a failing company and turns it into one of the most powerful companies in the world. He then gets cancer is now probably dying from it and all this ass hole can do is say that. Nice. I don't expect nice words, I really don't have much of a opinion myself but show some damn respect to a dying man by not saying anything.
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Yes, Jobs did a lot for Apple and its not his fault that people like their products
You folks are funny. Seriously it was commentary on how every freaking story on cnet or engadget or whatever was about Jobs stepping down. Fools I tell you.
Boo
It's a guy stepping down as ceo of a company. Don't worship false idols.
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It's a guy stepping down as ceo of a company. Don't worship false idols.
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Nobody is "worshiping" any one.
He's one of the founders of personal computers.
He took Apple to a completely new level.
Not sure what your deal is guy. Need some of this:
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Yes, Jobs did a lot for Apple and its not his fault that people like their products
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Actually it is. Once he came back after getting the boot, he transformed apple, and is directly responsible for people liking their products.
LyndenP said:
It's a guy stepping down as ceo of a company. Don't worship false idols.
Boo
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He is a very smart man who made devices for the masses. Without the iproducts, there would (most likely) be no android. So thank you Steve Jobs for everything.
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A guy takes a failing company and turns it into one of the most powerful companies in the world. He then gets cancer is now probably dying from it and all this ass hole can do is say that. Nice. I don't expect nice words, I really don't have much of a opinion myself but show some damn respect to a dying man by not saying anything.
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you mad brah? need a hug? I mean seriously everytime someone says something about Apple you go ape ****. GTFO of the Evo forums if you love Apple products so much. I read your **** about the Macbook Pro and how you dogged others because they could "not" afford" a Macbook Pro. Personally I dont give a **** about Apple, never have and never will.. Last Apple product I used was an Apple II from years ago.
However I am not saying I dont like Apple, nor do I hate Apple, I just dont give a **** about Apple because of what it has made people like "YOU" become. Total assholes no matter where you go.
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you mad brah? need a hug? I mean seriously everytime someone says something about Apple you go ape ****. GTFO of the Evo forums if you love Apple products so much. I read your **** about the Macbook Pro and how you dogged others because they could "not" afford" a Macbook Pro. Personally I dont give a **** about Apple, never have and never will.. Last Apple product I used was an Apple II from years ago.
However I am not saying I dont like Apple, nor do I hate Apple, I just dont give a **** about Apple because of what it has made people like "YOU" become. Total assholes no matter where you go.
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No my problem is with idiots. In this case it's the idiot who is talking **** about a guy who stepped down because of his most likely pending death due to cancer. All he could do was bad mouth the guy, and for what? Because he is the CEO of a company that competes with the company of a product he bought! That's just freaking sad. If a family member of his falls ill due to cancer I don't think they'd want anyone to treat them with any type of disrespect.
That thing about Macbooks? Its not about not being able to afford a Mac, it's about acting like they are worthless or don't present some kind of value for the added price. It's a different market with different consumers. Again, my problem is with a few specific idiots who fail to see the obvious or use common sense.
Steve Jobs transformed a failing company into what is known as Apple today. His health has suffered throughout the years, but he stayed with Apple and continued to make appearances. That is commendable at the very least.
Sure, I disagree with the way that Apple handles patent issues and locking down software. And claiming "revolutionary" things that have been done before. They do make good pieces of hardware though, even though I could never use an iPhone because of a small screen.The hardware is overpriced, but it is quality work and works well for what it is designed for. I don't have a Mac, as I am not some wealthy kid, but my experiences have been positive with them.
Apple helped kicked off a massive technological race. I disagree with the way the company handles software and patents, yes, but it is still a good company. Obviously it is doing well financially.
I will never switch to iPhone because of small screen and software, but it isn't that bad a piece of hardware. To each his own, choose whatever they want. Options are always good.
And Steve Jobs deserves commendation for making a successful company and sticking through it even while sick.
I'm 16, make minimum wage and only a sophomore. Let us try to be reasonable about this.
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Yes, apple is not my idea of a phone, as it's rather wimpy and lacking!
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Agreed. My friend who has an iphone cant wait to switch to an Android when her plan is up. I think most people famously live by "never satisfied".
What op was trying to say kind of lame all that was on the news was jobs which I agree resepct to the dieing **** but kinda dumb to see tons of articles plastered about apple
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Steve Jobs transformed a failing company into what is known as Apple today. His health has suffered throughout the years, but he stayed with Apple and continued to make appearances. That is commendable at the very least.
Sure, I disagree with the way that Apple handles patent issues and locking down software. And claiming "revolutionary" things that have been done before. They do make good pieces of hardware though, even though I could never use an iPhone because of a small screen.The hardware is overpriced, but it is quality work and works well for what it is designed for. I don't have a Mac, as I am not some wealthy kid, but my experiences have been positive with them.
Apple helped kicked off a massive technological race. I disagree with the way the company handles software and patents, yes, but it is still a good company. Obviously it is doing well financially.
I will never switch to iPhone because of small screen and software, but it isn't that bad a piece of hardware. To each his own, choose whatever they want. Options are always good.
And Steve Jobs deserves commendation for making a successful company and sticking through it even while sick.
I'm 16, make minimum wage and only a sophomore. Let us try to be reasonable about this.
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I could no have said it better my self young sir. Well done, well done.
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I could not have said it better my self young sir. Well done, well done.
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tropicalbrit said:
Steve Jobs transformed a failing company into what is known as Apple today. His health has suffered throughout the years, but he stayed with Apple and continued to make appearances. That is commendable at the very least.
Sure, I disagree with the way that Apple handles patent issues and locking down software. And claiming "revolutionary" things that have been done before. They do make good pieces of hardware though, even though I could never use an iPhone because of a small screen.The hardware is overpriced, but it is quality work and works well for what it is designed for. I don't have a Mac, as I am not some wealthy kid, but my experiences have been positive with them.
Apple helped kicked off a massive technological race. I disagree with the way the company handles software and patents, yes, but it is still a good company. Obviously it is doing well financially.
I will never switch to iPhone because of small screen and software, but it isn't that bad a piece of hardware. To each his own, choose whatever they want. Options are always good.
And Steve Jobs deserves commendation for making a successful company and sticking through it even while sick.
I'm 16, make minimum wage and only a sophomore. Let us try to be reasonable about this.
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You sir are have the maturity level of an old man lol. Good to see somebody throw some input into the situation as opposed to the usual trolls I'm accustomed to seeing around these parts now a days.
Well put indeed...
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A tiny bit of offtopic: iPhone users may be suffering from "Stockholm Syndrome"
I hope I will be forgiven for a bit of an off-topic here, but since there is much, much comparison between iPhone and Nexus, and selling models of both phones differ so much, here it is:
Analyst Says iPhone Users Experiencing Stockholm Syndrome
A bizarre report from Strand Consult, an analyst firm in Denmark, has likened the relationship iPhone users have with their iPhone to Stockholm Syndrome:
When we examine the iPhone users’ arguments defending the iPhone, it reminds us of the famous Stockholm Syndrome – a term that was invented by psychologists after a hostage drama in Stockholm. Here hostages reacted to the psychological pressure they were experiencing, by defending the people that had held them hostage for 6 days.
….Below is a selection of some of the arguments that various hard-core iPhone fanatics have been using since the iPhone initially launched:
1. The first iPhone was not a 3G phone: What do you need 3G for? You can easily use the iPhone without using a 3G network and anyway, 3G is not particularly widespread, so this is not a problem.
2. The phone cannot send MMS: There is no need to send MMSs, hardly anybody sends MMSs.
3. You cannot forward a SMS: This is a function that hardly anybody uses and was therefore not included in the first iPhones.
4. The phone has a poor camera: The built-in camera is perfectly adequate and the iPhone takes fantastic photos with its camera.
The report lists 20 iPhone flaws and purported defenses by iPhone owners and comes to the conclusion that the real reason for the popularity of the iPhone is because the people that bought one will go to great lengths to justify their purchase, even lying to others:
In reality the iPhone is surrounded by a multitude of people, media and companies that are happy to bend the truth to defend the product they have purchased from Apple.
Personally, I find the whole idea that that the iPhone is holding me against my will preposterous. I mean, sure, I signed a two-year contract that I really didn’t want, but it’s not like I’m stuck in some kind of walled garden or anything. In a real hostage situation, the hostage taker would control what you see and hear, and it’s not like that with Apple, right? And there’s no one demanding money, like, say $175, to free me from the iPhone or the two-year contract. Nope, I love my captor, I mean, my iPhone.
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Original: http://artoftheiphone.com/2009/12/13/analyst-says-iphone-users-experiencing-stockholm-syndrome/
DISCLAIMER: This is for laughs and giggles only, by reading this you agree that you are not an apple fanboy and will take this article not as means to defend The Sacred Apple, but as a funny anecdote. Chronic flamers need not bother.
This is actually pretty funny. The only outdated part is the one about the 2-year contract (I think they sell them off-contract now?).
I like to think that Steve Jobs was a shepherd in a past life.
lol, Good one...like the disclaimer
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lol, Good one...like the disclaimer
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Yup, anyone not following it will be BANNED!
spidermonkeyrob said:
I like to think that Steve Jobs was a shepherd in a past life.
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Lol good one there
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Yup, anyone not following it will be BANNED!
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Jose, glad 2 C U visiting the N1 gang where the action is
I just got done reading the article from the link. This reminds me of this arguement I had with an iphone user on youtube. I was explaining how the N1 was a better phone overall to him and this was one of his responses to one of my comments. I remember it like it was yesterday. The guy was an asshole too.
"Why would I need a voice-to-text feature when I can type XXX words every minute???"
*sarcasm* I would love to see this guy work his fingers that fast as his car is driving off a cliff. Dont text and drive kids.
i've seen HTC/Android/WM users that are no better.
whenever someone is willing to shun a device just because it runs XXX OS or is built by XXX company without giving it a fair try needs to pull their head out of the sand.
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The only outdated part is the one about the 2-year contract (I think they sell them off-contract now?).
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Yeah, locked for $700.
This article touched on SO many good points about how Apple has changed their tune on tons of different features. My favorites include...
-MMS, not needed because you can use email (but the email client will resize your images to VGA/MMS quality anyway, fixed in 4.0).
-Apps/App Store, web apps are the future!
-Multitasking, unnecessary and excluded to improve stability, then push notifications were satisfactory, now multitasking is being added in 4.0.
-3G, drains way too much battery life so it's not needed...until we release another phone to sell you next year.
But my favorite of them all? PRICE. The original 8gb, EDGE-only iPhone sold for $599 on a two-year contract.
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i've seen HTC/Android/WM users that are no better.
whenever someone is willing to shun a device just because it runs XXX OS or is built by XXX company without giving it a fair try needs to pull their head out of the sand.
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...unless they're talking about Windows Mobile. Really, I don't care what your background is. 6.5 and below is absolute garbage, lest HTC and everyone else wouldn't be trying to cover it with different UI layers, nor Microsoft ditching the framework altogether for Windows Phone 7.
We are all fan boys to a certain extent. I'm sure many of you (including me) will defend the nexus against some other device. We might have different limits, but the behavior is the same in every one of us.
Lets be realistic, we love our devices no matter what choice we made.
The rest its just pure exaggeration and if you start believing in psychologists your life is going down the hill.
Yeah, I do the same with my Nexus One :
For some reason I can't send MMS, but hey, who needs MMS anyway ?
Games definitely sucks compared to what you have on an iPhone... but you don't buy a phone to play games, do you ?
Sound quality sucks... but I have a DAP so i don't listen to music on my Nexus One.
The screen is almost unusable in direct sunlight... but I almost always use it indoors.
The truth is, once you bought an expensive device, either you don't like it and you return it, or you like it enough to keep it and you start convincing yourself that it doesn't have any flaws, or that its flaws are not really important.
And I do like my N1 more than enough to forget its flaws =)
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The rest its just pure exaggeration and if you start believing in psychologists your life is going down the hill.
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You'd better believe the psychologists, at least some of them might know your nature more than you know yourself. Here is one that explains this point, for example:
http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_gilbert_asks_why_are_we_happy.html
So the point is that we should have less choice so we can be happy with the only thing we have? "Yeah, right!"
This doesn't make any sense to me. While he might be right, i do believe in being able to choose.
Come on guys, we all know Apple rules. Just check out this latest article from Gizmodo (lol):
http://gizmodo.com/5545711/dear-steve-has-google-leapfrogged-apple
Dear Steve, Has Google Leapfrogged Apple?
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Here's what Steve Jobs thinks of our thoughts of Google leapfrogging Apple:
Dear Steve,
Have you read this Gizmodo article? What are your thoughts on it? Do you believe Google is surpassing you guys or do you believe something different? What do you plan on doing if Google is surpassing Apple?
Any thoughts?
Sincerely,
Brian
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Steve Jobs wrote:
Not a chance.
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The "leapfrogged Apple" article is actually pretty good; check it out here:
http://gizmodo.com/5543794/google-is-leapfrogging-apple
The only thing worse than the supposed Apply fanbois (which to be honest I don't really notice) are the Apple hatebois. I really don't understand what all the hate towards the iPhone (and now iPad) is about. I think it's a pretty good product, personally.
I'd much rather see people with iPhones than BlackBerry's. Nothing annoys me more than being "out of the loop" because everyone I know uses BBM almost exclusively for communications. If RIM made phones that I actually wanted to use it wouldn't be such a problem, but as it stands they lock everyone in with services like that and then produce lackluster consumer products. Rumor has it that iPhone OS 4 will have iChat functionality built in, which likely means native Google Talk support!
Google Talk good, BBM bad.
Re: A tiny bit of offtopic: iPhone users may be suffering from "Stockholm Syndrome"
Omg, the wars to defend the Sacred Apple have started =)
It's just a funny article. You don't see nexus fans flame over Onion News' video of "google whispering ads to your ear". If you can't take the sarcasm, maybe there is a reason why you're so defensive =)
The wars to defend the Sacred Apple have started? Someone says they think a product is decent and to you its a declaration of war? I think that's the problem. There seems to be no middle ground any more. You either have to agree to hate Apple, or risk being branded a mindless drone caught in Steve Jobs' reality distortion field.
Anyway, I realize the blog post has a joking tone. I was just pointing out that I think iPhones are nice. Not awesome like a Nexus One, but still nice.
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Anyway, I realize the blog post has a joking tone. I was just pointing out that I think iPhones are nice. Not awesome like a Nexus One, but still nice.
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Yeah, I agree =) I guess that puts me in the middle ground.
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Jose, glad 2 C U visiting the N1 gang where the action is
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Nice to see you too! I m getting a Desire in the end of the month but my love for windows mobile will never end.
to everyone else;
I like the I-phone very much,but hate when a company wants to tell me what is best for me or what i can or cannot do.In short i hate arrogant people.
Also,it really tick me of whend people that have an iphone as their first touch device BELIVE that only the I-Phone has such technology or was the first to have it!
anyway,
peace and love guys.
faria said:
Also,it really tick me of whend people that have an iphone as their first touch device BELIVE that only the I-Phone has such technology or was the first to have it!
anyway,
peace and love guys.
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Yeah, I think you hit the spot there. It may actually have nothing to do with the device itself, it's the attitude and the ignorance. You'd think that spending $500+ for a phone, people would research and educate themselves a bit about the alternatives, pros and cons.. yet iphone users (I'm sorry, it's true) very often do not. The reasons for that are a separate topic. Mostly, the salesguy at AT&T (or coworker/friend/media) just told them it's the best, so it must be the best.
It'd be hard to find nexus one user who didn't make any research before buying it. Maybe that's why they didn't sell as many . I betcha vast majority of nexus users know all about Nexus' pros and cons.
Imo, that is the main reason for all this fighting. iPhone itself just got caught in the middle.
OK, so after about a week with my Xoom, i've been plagued with the question, "is that an I pad?" When I pronounce that it is definately not an I pad they ask me what it is. So I go on to explain the specs, both that of the I pad 1 & 2 and of my Xoom, I don't think one person that asked me understood a word of what I was saying. Nearly all of them ended up saying "so they are the same thing." I'm sure most of you can understand my frustration. So I end up resolving by kindly saying, yes they are both tablet computers and in that fact alone they are similar.
This leads me to believe that Apple sells most of their devices to people that look at the xoom and the ipad, see the price, and buy the I pad because its cheaper. Or maybe its just because ios is pretty much fool proof.
This is what worries me, are we becoming the minority? The small group of us that understand openness and what is worth a buck.
I understand the I pad itself is an amazing piece of equipment, but what the people I talk to don't understand is it is built on phone os. If they took ios out of the iPhone and stuck it in a macbook, I bet some people would still buy it, and not only that, I bet they would come online and rant about how amazing it is.
Honestly, is that really a question that needs asking? Apple peeps used to say "Our hardware is so superior to a PC... now it IS a PC.... then they said software is king... and they go and install windows on their mac also... For the last few years, Mac gets hacked the quickest at the conventions... most Mac people I ask don't run antivirus since they think their Mac is virus etc proof...
Mac / ios are for people who don't have time to learn the intricacies of a superior product or better way to do things.
You sir are spot on!
I don't think people like that should have a choice between tablets. To me it sounds like they should stay with the silly little closed source Apple products. It is a much safer and wiser choice for them. An open source OS like Android is no place for someone who thinks that a Xoom and an iPad are the same exact product. It's really funny though because this happens to me a lot so I can relate. Me being a tech expert, I run into this thing a lot.
And in my opinion, us computer techies are actually becoming more and more uncommon. The common person has no idea that you can even root/jailbreak a device, in fact... the less you know, the better off they are. Ofcourse that is just an example, but a good one indeed. It's pretty bad that most of the world relies on such things as iTunes because they cannot figure out how to drag and drop music onto an mp3 player. It's really messed up that people are not tech saavy enough to do the simplest things or understand basic tech knowledge, but hey... that's where us computer guys come in. We show up to save the day, and make all the money. +1 for all the techno nerds out there!
Android user for life!
They don't market to "idiots" per se, but they market to the general consumer products that "just work", with no extra setup or maintenance required. This is why they have prospered with 95% of the general consumer that buys these products.
Its easy for us at XDA to say that the iPad has its shortcomings, but to the random person who just wants it to work and doesn't want to tinker and mess with it the iPad/iPhone/iPod are perfect for them.
I love android and love tweaking/messing with it, but my girlfriend just wants to turn on her iPhone (or her computer, a Mac Mini, for that matter) and have everything work easily, no questions asked. Know what I mean? I wish I could recommend Android to more people, but unfortunately I really can't given the minimum level of aptitude to really take advantage of it.
They don't market to idiots. They market to people who want things simple and polished. And I wouldn't be so quick to shrug off the closed ecosystem until Android gets a:
Music store
Video store
Video rental
Netflix
Wide swath of high quality games
Android has yet to prove that an open ecosystem can bring in major developers and content providers. I hope this changes in the near future. Until then its clearly a better choice for 95% of the population to just go the Apple iPad route.
I totally get the "it just works" hypothesis... Until it just doesn't work. Want to see some serious joe and jen sixpack RAGE? Go to an apple store and watch them take in their broken macbook. Want to see some real android nerd RAGE? You won't. They fix it themselves or swap it out for one that does.
Brains are beling replaced by 'idiot-proof' devices... Watch a classic movie for a glimpse into our future if isheep and moron trash keep having babies: Idiocracy
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I totally get the "it just works" hypothesis... Until it just doesn't work. Want to see some serious joe and jen sixpack RAGE? Go to an apple store and watch them take in their broken macbook. Want to see some real android nerd RAGE? You won't. They fix it themselves or swap it out for one that does.
Brains are beling replaced by 'idiot-proof' devices... Watch a classic movie for a glimpse into our future if isheep and moron trash keep having babies: Idiocracy
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LOL. I dont understand the animosity towards Apple. They have created an amazing ecosystem around their mobile offerings. They make EXTREMELY high quality hardware throughout their entire lineup, to the point where no other OEM comes even close to matching them. They demand a premium for their products in more cases (somehow the Xoom is the one demanding the premium now), because of the quality of their devices and their software.
As for your "rage" comment, i doubt it. Apple offers a one year warranty on their macbook where you can walk into the Apple store and hand it to them and they will either fix it on the spot or send it to be repaired. No other OEM does it this hassle free. Also they sell Applecare which most "idiots" as you describe them probably would have purchased, extending the warranty to 2-3 years. This covers everything. Also, these idiots, if they have a question with a program or how to get their new ipod to work with their macbook, can just take it all to the store and someone will talk them through it nice and slow.
When someone asks me if my Nexus is the same as an iPhone I ask them "is a Mustang the same thing as a Camaro?" They are the same class of car (or phone) but are different brands and do things a little differently then one another.
I called them average joe and jen sixpack. Never called them idiots. Please, show me the error of my way and aide me on the road to recovery by quoting where I said they are idiots.
Apple is a small niche computer company. Their mobile/mp3 side is what is profitible. Honestly, they would have been bankrupt in the 90s if they had not given all those computers to schools in the 80s. Great strategy.
As for computers breaking, generally most break in the first month or so after they have a true burn-in or else they last for a long time. The year replacement thing is nice, but not really a selling point to me... Hell, even BB does this.
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Also, these idiots, if they have a question with a program or how to get their new ipod to work with their macbook, can just take it all to the store and someone will talk them through it nice and slow.
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So after you rant a bit on me for calling them idiots, you go and do it... and then say the apple dude will talk them through it... nice and slow... like what? Morons? lol
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LOL. I dont understand the animosity towards Apple. They have created an amazing ecosystem around their mobile offerings. They make EXTREMELY high quality hardware throughout their entire lineup, to the point where no other OEM comes even close to matching them. They demand a premium for their products in more cases (somehow the Xoom is the one demanding the premium now), because of the quality of their devices and their software.
As for your "rage" comment, i doubt it. Apple offers a one year warranty on their macbook where you can walk into the Apple store and hand it to them and they will either fix it on the spot or send it to be repaired. No other OEM does it this hassle free. Also they sell Applecare which most "idiots" as you describe them probably would have purchased, extending the warranty to 2-3 years. This covers everything. Also, these idiots, if they have a question with a program or how to get their new ipod to work with their macbook, can just take it all to the store and someone will talk them through it nice and slow.
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My good sir,
You are right, please allow me to rephrase this. Does Apple market to the ignorant population? Defined in this way:
Ignorant: unaware because of a lack of relevant information or knowledge; "he was completely ignorant of the circumstances"
Which really i know is a sold answer. But my points being that they market to the people that are unaware that buying from them, because they are stupid proof products, is allowingApple to do whatever they want. I don't have a problem with their products or most of their bussinesss strategy, but more and more they are straight starting to piss me off. And what bothers me are these idiots walking around acting like everything's not changing in big company's favor. You think Apple has created an amazing ecosystem cause you can turn on your iPhone and get your movies and your music and whatever. But they are destroying the ecosystem that should be between apple and the developers using their system. They are greedy, and the ignorant people they are generating all all this bull**** to go on.
I am not here to offend apple buyers, I have a jsilbroken iPhone and its awesome.
I am here however to discuss the fact that Apple is creating a land full of people that are introduced to idiot proof technology and banks off them.
listen; if you don't own one, Don't knock it
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justabrake said:
listen; if you don't own one, Don't knock it
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I do own several Apple products, which is what helped me draw my concluson.
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When someone asks me if my Nexus is the same as an iPhone I ask them "is a Mustang the same thing as a Camaro?" They are the same class of car (or phone) but are different brands and do things a little differently then one another.
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Wait, I don't get it. The answer is yes, they are both dumpy American made "sports" cars.
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I called them average joe and jen sixpack. Never called them idiots. Please, show me the error of my way and aide me on the road to recovery by quoting where I said they are idiots.
Apple is a small niche computer company. Their mobile/mp3 side is what is profitible. Honestly, they would have been bankrupt in the 90s if they had not given all those computers to schools in the 80s. Great strategy.
As for computers breaking, generally most break in the first month or so after they have a true burn-in or else they last for a long time. The year replacement thing is nice, but not really a selling point to me... Hell, even BB does this.
So after you rant a bit on me for calling them idiots, you go and do it... and then say the apple dude will talk them through it... nice and slow... like what? Morons? lol
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Oh, I'm sorry, you called them "moron trash" and not "idiots".
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Oh, I'm sorry, you called them "moron trash" and not "idiots".
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Where'd you get the word trash from? Come on now.
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My good sir,
You are right, please allow me to rephrase this. Does Apple market to the ignorant population? Defined in this way:
Ignorant: unaware because of a lack of relevant information or knowledge; "he was completely ignorant of the circumstances"
Which really i know is a sold answer. But my points being that they market to the people that are unaware that buying from them, because they are stupid proof products, is allowingApple to do whatever they want. I don't have a problem with their products or most of their bussinesss strategy, but more and more they are straight starting to piss me off. And what bothers me are these idiots walking around acting like everything's not changing in big company's favor. You think Apple has created an amazing ecosystem cause you can turn on your iPhone and get your movies and your music and whatever. But they are destroying the ecosystem that should be between apple and the developers using their system. They are greedy, and the ignorant people they are generating all all this bull**** to go on.
I am not here to offend apple buyers, I have a jsilbroken iPhone and its awesome.
I am here however to discuss the fact that Apple is creating a land full of people that are introduced to idiot proof technology and banks off them.
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People are willing to trade a lack of choice and openness for an ecosystem that just works and is really nearly flawlessly executed. They are willing to give up being able to flash roms for a device that has a couple thousand quality games, the ability to buy music from itunes, rent movies from itunes, watch netflix and have every app under the sun made for them first. If Apple oversteps their bounds, like they seem to be doing with the 30% subscription thing, people will abandon their platform. Until they do that, frankly they simply have the better ecosystem/devices until Android can make up some of that functionality differential.
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Where'd you get the word trash from? Come on now.
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can you read your post? This is the post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11869842&postcount=6
Brains are beling replaced by 'idiot-proof' devices... Watch a classic movie for a glimpse into our future if isheep and moron trash keep having babies: Idiocracy
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I made it big for you to see and i bolded it and made it red.
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Oh, I'm sorry, you called them "moron trash" and not "idiots".
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Watch a classic movie for a glimpse into our future if isheep and moron trash keep having babies: Idiocracy
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Two totally separate groups of people. 1: isheep & 2: moron trash. I am guessing you have not watched the movie Idiocracy. Have a laugh. It's great.
Feel free to correct yourself again.
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He's a Mac
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HE is moron trash:
i dont ssee why tthis had to get so fueled. I originally started with, does apple market to idiots? If you take a close look at that question, it does not insinuate that Apple is an idiot or that people that buy Apple is an idiot. It is a question towards their marketing and strategy.
Also no oone in this thread was offending any specific body of people.
Then here you come and just stir up a debate that was not there.
Pull down notifications!!! Obviously Apple is running out of ideas. The thing that pisses me off the most, is now every iPhone user I meet will act like Apple thought of it and say Android is a cheap rip off. ZOMG!! Apple (and their sheep like followers) makes me hate humans!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk5Pti1opFs&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Pull down notifications!!! Obviously Apple is running out of ideas. The thing that pisses me off the most, is now every iPhone user I meet will act like Apple thought of it and say Android is a cheap rip off. ZOMG!! Apple (and their sheep like followers) makes me hate humans!!
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Wait a minute...
When did Apple NOT buy someone else's patent or take their idea and sell it as "revolutionary?"
Not sure if trolling....
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Maybe Google should sue Apple like Apple is suing Samsung for coping.
ItsLasher said:
Maybe Google should sue Apple like Apple is suing Samsung for coping.
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Some companies actually spend more time developing rather than suing.
Welcome to last week
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Some companies actually spend more time developing rather than suing.
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Apple does both all the time,ha
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Interesting IOS 5 Beta time to upgrade my ipod touch 4th gen now i have a reason to take it out of my drawer still not as good as android though
It kind of pissed me off, all the trash talk Jobs does about android, but in the end its apple following the ideas and trends android sets ie: Hummer sized phones, notifications, cloud, front camera, 3d screen, etc.
Apple just added it so they can sue Google like they do with every other company it rips stuff off from.
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Apple does both all the time,ha
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All big companies do, give me one that doesn't!
vbetts said:
All big companies do, give me one that doesn't!
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Apple seems to be doing this quute excessively. Its seems like their legal department is board.
phatmanxxl said:
Apple seems to be doing this quute excessively. Its seems like their legal department is board.
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Sony for the Ps3, almost all the major movie studios, Nokia, Samsung, Microsoft, etc etc all are sue crazy. Sad truth here though...
So apple sues HTC for how their notification system works, using them as a proxy to sue Google and Android, and then they turn around and steal Android's way of showing notifications?
I would not put it past them to try and copyright it too.
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All big companies do, give me one that doesn't!
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Companies have to engage in lawsuits once in a while....believe it or not...once in a while they are actually just.
However, Apple seems to do it once a day.
And it always seems to be in situations like this.
I'm with xhausx, it wouldn't surprise me if they put this in and then try to sue others for having "stole" it.
U guys most have forgot apple hired a bunch of people who helped make android almost a year ago now, and guess what one of those people was the guy who basically came up with androids notification system. Google needs to stop being such pansies and sue apple. this is diffenetly stealing.
I find it funny that all these companies talk crap about android then go ahead and hire the founding developers. First rim then wp7 and now apple, stealing devs and androids os features.
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Reminds me of this from late last year.
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God can't the IPhone and Android just coexist?
IPhone is an awesome device... Ushured in the Smartphone era to the masses. Still the smoothest most elegant interface in the industry. A work of art,....as are Ipods and Mac's. Ton of respect for those products. Give credit where credit is due.
Android remains my OS of choice for various reasons.
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God can't the IPhone and Android just coexist?
IPhone is an awesome device... Ushured in the Smartphone era to the masses. Still the smoothest most elegant interface in the industry. A work of art,....as are Ipods and Mac's. Ton of respect for those products. Give credit where credit is due.
Android remains my OS of choice for various reasons.
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Blah blah blah...listen...it's not that the two OS's can't co-exist.
In fact, it has NOTHING TO DO with the two OS's to begin with.
It has to do with Steve Jobs' attitude toward everything.
Everything he does is "revolutionary"
Everything everyone else does is "copying"
and worst of all
He think he "knows what's best" for people.
I don't even care about the OS, I won't even buy Apple products because of Apple's stance on everything.
I have my own parents [including the government now too] I don't need another one.
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God can't the IPhone and Android just coexist?
IPhone is an awesome device... Ushured in the Smartphone era to the masses. Still the smoothest most elegant interface in the industry. A work of art,....as are Ipods and Mac's. Ton of respect for those products. Give credit where credit is due.
Android remains my OS of choice for various reasons.
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I just threw up...
Screw apple and Steve Jobs. I hate that man, such a pompous pr*ck
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http://mobile.osnews.com/story.php/25048/Apple_Blocks_Sales_of_Samsung_Galaxy_Tab_10_1_in_EU
So... they make extremely generic designs, patent them, and wait until someone releases a product that remotely looks like it so they can sue the balls off you. This. Angered me beyond belief.
Your thoughts? Insanity. Wtf seriously. I can't believe I was an apple fanboy at one point in my life. I feel like I was in cahoots with Hitler.
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C'mon, let the big boys compare their penises.
Dud apple is evil. This is the first Ive ever heard of this being done. I mean cmon? Making all sorts of designs and getting patents. These people are evil. I feel bad for Samsung. The extent of apples capitalist tactics are insane. I think Sammy has underestimated how disgustingly horrid apple runs they're business. At this point, I would cut apple off from all sales of parts for they're phones and tablets. When the hand your feeding is stealing you're food, you cut them off. Simple. The iphone would fail without samsungs parts. I don't think apple realizes that.
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free enterprise market kids. I see nothing wrong here, move among. Move along.
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Ughh i need a Sammich to calm me down.
There spawn trappin us
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Dud apple is evil. This is the first Ive ever heard of this being done. I mean cmon? Making all sorts of designs and getting patents. These people are evil. I feel bad for Samsung. The extent of apples capitalist tactics are insane. I think Sammy has underestimated how disgustingly horrid apple runs they're business. At this point, I would cut apple off from all sales of parts for they're phones and tablets. When the hand your feeding is stealing you're food, you cut them off. Simple. The iphone would fail without samsungs parts. I don't think apple realizes that.
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*their
Also,
"When the hand your feeding is stealing you're food, you cut them off."
*you're and *your
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If you feel something is not right here, then the one to blame is the patent agency that granted Apple the patents. If a company invests time and money in an invention and gets a legal document guaranteeing it the right to be the sole producer of that invention, then it's not the company's fault that it chose to defend that right. In fact, if a company does not vigorously defend its IP, it runs the risk of losing it (anyone remember the "there are two r's in Xerox campaign?).
I'm not familiar with the specific patents, but most of what I'm reading are complaints, like the OP's, that the patents are too vague. If so, the patents shouldn't have been granted and the agency in Europe responsible for making that decision erred. If the patents are appropriate, then it's Apple's right to protect its intellectual property.
I'm sick of the patent wars, but Apple is just playing by the rules it has been given.
Ironically, many of the people who complain about vague patents have never actually read through a complete patent file. Usually all they see is a one line summary quoted by whatever tech blog they visited that day and assume that one line is the entire patent. If anything, patent rage is too often just a product of fanboyism, and not rational thought.
The only people who think patents shouldn't exist are people who've never invented anything. They're just consumers who are too emotionally attached to their interest in technology and feel that the courts can never possibly do anything beneficial ever for anything.
There's also a kneejerk reaction from the anarchy of the tech community to shut anyone up who tries to see all sides of an issue. We've decided that patent law is a war of good vs. evil and any other way of looking at it is wrong.
Do Samsung products look more like iDevices than any other Android vendor? Probably. Is it really THAT hard to come up with a unique form factor? Or drop TouchWiz? Or something other than glossy plastic? There's a whole world of trivial design variations that could've avoided the 'similarity' mess that Samsung actively ignored. Ah well.
It's not like this generation of Android tablets is all that impressive anyway.
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Welcome to the world of patent trolling.
If you guys think that's bad, read this article.
http://www.androidcentral.com/apple...bout-motorola-xoom-design-may-seek-injunction
This is what happens when you're playing catch-up.
Shoulon said:
There spawn trappin us
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That's funny.
Apple=sleazy tactics.... Ya think??? remember the smear camaigns they did on Vista? I firmly beleve that APPLE is the reason Vista did as bad as it did any why everyone hates it so much. Granted, it wasn't the best OS in history as it was a 'bit' bloated and slow, but overall, it wasn't THAT bad... Almost all the 'problems' with it was HARDWARE VENDORS not releasing decent drivers for it. I ran it from the time it was a RC until 7 was a RC and never had any trouble with it. Hell, I had more problems with Windows XP Tablet Edition (SP2 & 3) on my HP TC4400 than I ever did with Vista, even when it was a RC. 7 is WAY better, but Vista wasn't a miserable failure (unlike Win Me). Ever heard of the Mojave Experiment? MS took Vista, re-labled it "Windows Mojave" and had people check it out. Almost everyone LOVED the "new" OS... only to be shocked when they were told it was actually Vista.
Apple is a miserable POS company and I'd LOVE to see them go bankrupt and dissapear off the face of this planet, along with their crappy 'OS' and devices, but unfortunately that's not going to happen due to all the kool-aid drinkers.
Beofer you hate on me for calling their 'OS' crappy, MS's oses might be crappy, but at least you can do things with them. Good luck trying to do anything outside the "apple box" on a mac....
Just reading that article was enough to make me rage out. I've always thought that apple used terrible tactics and produced sub-par products. This patent stuff is just pure ignorance on the part of the patent office and the judicial system. the fact that apple was granted patent rights to a folder icon or something similar is ludicris. If I was able to patent everything I made to say tweak my computer or alter my webpage, then I would have a whole lot of things I could sue people over.
Apple already has the market cornered in a lot of places because people are mindless zombies who will pay an extra $500 for a computer so that it can run their "sleek amazing Operating system" ("cough cough" basically linux "cough cough"). Apple doesn't make hardware except in special cases, and their OS is limiting on what you can do to configure it as well as the access you can obtain using it but people use it because it "looks good". I guess that's all that matters right? Paying an extra $500 dollars for a computer that is aesthetically pleasing. Hell, apple will have you think they invented multitasking and copy and paste. I guarantee they would try to sue some one for that as well.
Its all just corporatism at its best. Stuff like this is what makes the free market economy a cut throat place to work in.
I hate Apple. I've been doing my part to talk people out of buying iPhones and anything Apple. I don't like how everything of theirs is completely locked down and you have to play by their rules. Hardly any customization.
When it comes to this kind of stuff, it just makes me sick. Yea, it's legal but it's just wrong how they can get away with stuff like this.
There's nothing we little people can do other then try and turn anyone we can away from iPhones and Apple Products.
I think Samsung is kinda infringing on designs that look similar to iPhones or iPads, but kinda hard not to. Maybe if they change the color from black to, idk, grey or green or something, & they had a patent for that, they would be better off. But everyone knows that black is a more common & neutral color for electronic devices. Hopefully, Samsung & Apple will settle this problem like gentlemen & not like 2 little kids fighting over a toy.
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misterlee622 said:
... they had a patent for that...
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Reading this made me think Apple's new slogan should be "There's a patent for that."
I don't have a problem with Apple suing Sammy over patent infringement. Patents and copyrights are the basis for creativity and ingenuity. Apple developed a great product (whether we like it or not) and got patents on many of the features and components of their product. If other companies want to copy/steal their intellectual rights to those features and components, I think Apple is well within their rights to stop those companies.
@edonnelly, I lol'd and agree on that slogan :>
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I don't have a problem with Apple suing Sammy over patent infringement. Patents and copyrights are the basis for creativity and ingenuity. Apple developed a great product (whether we like it or not) and got patents on many of the features and components of their product. If other companies want to copy/steal their intellectual rights to those features and components, I think Apple is well within their rights to stop those companies.
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QFT, but surely you must see that Apple is abusing the legal system. The amount of lawsuits, and the reasons for them, are utterly absurd. Rules keep order, but abusing loopholes can cause more chaos than having no rules at all. Fu** Apple
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They're suing over design likeness, at least in the EU. Basically they say no one can have a thin, rectangular tablet with a black face. That is why they've gone after Samsung and Motorola. It would be humorous if they go after HTC for their non-black faced tablet, ha ha.
Wow, look at that:--
Samsung confirmed it will sue Apple immediately if it releases an LTE device. This seems directed squarely at the new iPhone as currently the iPad does sell with LTE on board. Obviously, this legal case is just a start of a huge change, not the end of anything.
Considering Apple iPhone 5 is almost certain to come with LTE on board, let's see what happens.
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Samsung will sue Apple immediately if they release an LTE device
The Empire will strike back. And if i were Samsung i would partner with Nokia which currently has the most LTE patents and cross licence pattents with them just to bring the rotten fruit down.
Every company out there should team up and sue apple.....apple is literally killing innovation
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If Google, Motorola, Samsung and HTC join forces to attack Apple, there is practically no chance of survival for Apple.
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Is anyone else alarmed by the statements that Google and Samsung are distancing themselves away from each other? Even if this is just for the patent stuff could it not leave a bitter taste in each others mouths?
I'm quite happy for Apple to innovate, but if they want to do it over everyone else's dead body, they can f-off .... and die themselves.
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If Google, Motorola, Samsung and HTC join forces to attack Apple, there is practically no chance of survival for Apple.
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I'm quite happy for Apple to innovate,
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Uhm, stopped reading after this. Have they ever innovated anything? Taking something previously done, adding their touches to it, patenting every aspect of it and releasing it to the world saying they have innovated; really isn't innovating.
Sometimes, they also try to alter the original recipe to even further claim they've innovated, when they've still not. Can there be a more pathetic excuse of a company than Apple?
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Every company out there should team up and sue apple.....apple is literally killing innovation
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Not really. Look at Windows Mobile phones. They are totally different from iPhone both on OS and phone design. If you want to innovate you can. If you want to steal Apple's ideas, you can do that too, but there's obviously a price for that.
Windows mobile it a innovation of poo. Apple ios5 and 6 are full of stolen android ideas.
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Not really. Look at Windows Mobile phones. They are totally different from iPhone both on OS and phone design. If you want to innovate you can. If you want to steal Apple's ideas, you can do that too, but there's obviously a price for that.
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Yeah, pay 1billion and become 2nd biggest mobile device manufacturer in the world. Why not?
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Uhm, stopped reading after this. Have they ever innovated anything? Taking something previously done, adding their touches to it, patenting every aspect of it and releasing it to the world saying they have innovated; really isn't innovating.
Sometimes, they also try to alter the original recipe to even further claim they've innovated, when they've still not. Can there be a more pathetic excuse of a company than Apple?
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Apple has innovated by the actual definition. Same for Samsung and others.
The good thing about all this is other manufacturers are forced into becoming Patent Trolls to Patent stuff they wouldn't usually bother with just to keep Apple's hands off it, and that's gonna mean Apple has less power and they won't be able to use these Bully Boy tactics anymore.
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Every company out there should team up and sue apple.....apple is literally killing innovation
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A very eloquent statement. And very true. I can't believe apple defects to suing rather than innovating. It saddens me. I used to like the iPhone. I believe it has helped the market grow like never before, but not any more. Silly apple. Innovation is for mature companies. Haha.
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Apple has innovated by the actual definition. Same for Samsung and others.
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Okay, I admit, they actually have innovated. They are the first company to ever be so darn retarded.
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If you want to innovate you can. If you want to steal Apple's ideas, you can do that too, but there's obviously a price for that.
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Yeah, and Apple really innovated with concepts such as... "a rectangular device with rounded corners and a flat surface."
The really frightening thing is that they managed to actually get a patent for that. I'm usually very proud to be an American, but the US Patent Office is a huge disgrace to the country.
hahaha...its gonna be interesting!!
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Is anyone else alarmed by the statements that Google and Samsung are distancing themselves away from each other? Even if this is just for the patent stuff could it not leave a bitter taste in each others mouths?
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it never will, samsung is one of the major contributors for android.. sometimes its better to keep mum rather than pledge the support and get into trouble
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As far as I know the Galaxy S3 hasn't been the subject of any lawsuit so far, so clearly the fact that Samsung innovated with the S3 rather than copy Apple shows.
Innovation isn't copying another company. Here's an example of innovation:
Apple buys Siri and includes it with every iPhone 4S, putting it into the hands of millions.
Google, rather than copying, creates their own "knowledge graph" and builds something better; something that responds incredibly quickly, accurately, and reads most answers out loud back to the user in a really easy to understand, human voice. This is innovation.
Samsung, on the other hand, created something that looks like Siri, tries to act like Siri, pulls data from the same sources (Wolfram Alpha + others) and is a hell of a lot slower. It was basically a complete failure all around.
Google has managed to pretty much avoid any problems with Android so far by creating their own innovative features. Samsung has done this for the most part in the S3, but there's still a hint of copying there, especially with S Voice as I have stated above.
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Theshawty said:
Uhm, stopped reading after this. Have they ever innovated anything? Taking something previously done, adding their touches to it, patenting every aspect of it and releasing it to the world saying they have innovated; really isn't innovating.
Sometimes, they also try to alter the original recipe to even further claim they've innovated, when they've still not. Can there be a more pathetic excuse of a company than Apple?
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Taking something that exists and making it better is still innovating. Taking multiple things that exist and combining them together to create something much better is innovating (S Beam for example)
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Yeah, and Apple really innovated with concepts such as... "a rectangular device with rounded corners and a flat surface."
The really frightening thing is that they managed to actually get a patent for that. I'm usually very proud to be an American, but the US Patent Office is a huge disgrace to the country.
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Maybe Apple will sue brick making companies for breaking Apple's design guidelines.