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We know that Sprint WiMAX band is 2500MHz;
does our Epic 4G support another frequency band like 2.3GHz or 3.5GHz?
I hope it supports 2.3GHz....
According to the spec sheets of the AWT6264 it is capable of 2.3 to 2.7 ghz spectrum range.
.......ok, you got me...why?
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Kcarpenter said:
.......ok, you got me...why?
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IF I were to guess..its cause 2.3ghz spectrum is the most popular for wimax around the world....the 3 licensed spectrum for wimax are 2.3hz, 2.5ghz and 3.5ghz...
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.......ok, you got me...why?
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If it does, then it is probably possible to use WiMAX with my Epic in another country which has 2.3GHz WiMAX.
nadcicle said:
According to the spec sheets of the AWT6264 it is capable of 2.3 to 2.7 ghz spectrum range.
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Great... but AWT6264 is just power amp. I think we need specific transceiver for specific band (usually multi-band for GSM/UMTS, but i don't know if that is the case with WiMAX.)
It seems CMC730S baseband processor only supports 2.5GHz, but let's see...
Just checking but when your network status says HSDPA that is not considered "4G" right? More like enhanced 3G correct?
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you're right ! but if u have a 4g phone like the mt4g, g2, samsung vibrant4g, etc.
you will get the full hsdpa+ 4g network. so u don't have to worry if it says 4g or just H, or hsdpa in settingsettings info. I can tell the difference with my mt4g compared to mytouch3g. both says H on the notification bar & HSDPA but the speeds for the mt4g is way faster!
The terminology is branding more than anything else. hsdpa is t-mobile's high speed protocol for 3g, but they call it 4g because, well, pretty much everyone has jumped the gun on calling their networks 4g.
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Just checking but when your network status says HSDPA that is not considered "4G" right? More like enhanced 3G correct?
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Someone chime in and correct me if i'm wrong
By definition 4G has to meet 100Mbps on download during peak times. HSPA+, LTE, Wi-Max do not meet these requirements as of currently. And every thing is enhanced 3G.
If you look at it from a "G" = Generation Standpoint we are in the 4th Generation of Mobile Broadband technology. 1: GRPS 2:EDGE 3:HSPA 4:HSPA+. So it really depends on which side of the coin you look. and to really get the idea of it
HSPA = High Speed Packet Access
HSDPA = High Speed Download Packet Access
HSUPA = High Speed Upload Packet Access
If i'm correct typically your phone is considered HSPA if you have HSDPA and HSUPA activated. But if you are on lets say AT&T with the Atrix, they consider that a HSDPA+ phone, because the upload end of things are still as slow as 3G or below.
Well hsdpa will have about 8-10 mbps theoretical download speed. Where later this year T-Mobile is releasing hspa + to have up to 42 mbps download and technically it can be upgraded in to the 100's of mbps.
So personally I would call it 3g
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neidlinger said:
Someone chime in and correct me if i'm wrong
By definition 4G has to meet 100Mbps on download during peak times.
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I thought it was 1gig
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I was checking because I was wondering if I was getting what I paid for or not.
I put quotes around the 4G because there is some debate about whether it is or not. I really believe its not. Whether it meets standards or not it doesn't bother me because I reallyyyy don't need 100mbps on a phone. Tethering on the other hand....
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TMobiles HSPA+ network is considered 4G by the ITU, which says what should be called 4G. It wasn't originally fast enought, but they changed their mind and said that WiMax, LTE, AND HSPA+ are technically 4G. http://www.intomobile.com/2010/12/18/itu-reverses-its-decision-lte-wimax-and-hspa-are-now-4g/
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I thought it was 1gig
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Network speed isn't really measured in gigs..
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Take this for what it is, it could mean the EVO is going to get support for EVDO rev. B & LTE or it could just be leftover unused code but I did find these references in the leaked gingerbread init.rc.
My guess is that it's leftovers but I guess we won't know for a while
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setprop net.tcp.buffersize.lte 4094,87380,196608,4096,16384,196608
setprop net.tcp.buffersize.evdo_b 4094,87380,262144,4096,16384,262144
Lte with the evo would be sooo tight
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No ones sure about rev b ... so we can only hope! Not so hopeful about lte tho.
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Much more likely to be left over code from other devices. The sense code is most definitely shared between devices.
A while back I also looked into Rev b support, and while the snapdragon has support, it lacks the transmitter. Likely to be similar with LTE and authorization will likely be done with SIMs.
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Award Tour said:
Much more likely to be left over code from other devices. The sense code is most definitely shared between devices.
A while back I also looked into Rev b support, and while the snapdragon has support, it lacks the transmitter. Likely to be similar with LTE and authorization will likely be done with SIMs.
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I thought the radio on the EVO would not be compatible with LTE... AFAIK, only the towers can be upgraded by changing a few pieces of equipment to make them LTE-compatible. As far as the phone goes... well it won't connect to LTE since the radio was not designed for it.
At least that was my understanding around the EVO and its compatibility with LTE.
Calkulin said:
Take this for what it is, it could mean the EVO is going to get support for EVDO rev. B & LTE or it could just be leftover unused code but I did find these references in the leaked gingerbread init.rc.
My guess is that it's leftovers but I guess we won't know for a while
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setprop net.tcp.buffersize.lte 4094,87380,196608,4096,16384,196608
setprop net.tcp.buffersize.evdo_b 4094,87380,262144,4096,16384,262144
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HTC builds a basic sense firmware, so this could be in there for verizon. I believe in the incredible people found wimax logos buried in the about phone HTC area
alainater said:
Lte with the evo would be sooo tight
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pretty silly statement. LTE is no better than WiMax in any way. Just b/c the Evo gets LTE doesn't mean it solves all the problems WiMax has given people. And by all the problems I mean the 1 and only problem in that is has provided poor coverage. This is mainly because of the freq its on. Just swaping over to LTE on the same freq will do nothing to help us.
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pretty silly statement. LTE is no better than WiMax in any way. Just b/c the Evo gets LTE doesn't mean it solves all the problems WiMax has given people. And by all the problems I mean the 1 and only problem in that is has provided poor coverage. This is mainly because of the freq its on. Just swaping over to LTE on the same freq will do nothing to help us.
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Are you stupid? LTE is wayy faster then wimax
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davidc23 said:
Are you stupid? LTE is wayy faster then wimax
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Are you stupid? WiMax is not even running at it's full potential. Coverage and building penetration is the only issues I see with WiMax.
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Are you stupid? LTE is wayy faster then wimax
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wayy faster? not the thread for that debate but your flat out wrong. please dont compare the 5 thunderbolt users speeds versus the thousands of thousands of evo users speeds.
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Are you stupid? LTE is wayy faster then wimax
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Doesn't matter how fast it is if it's 2.5Ghz and won't propagate or penetrate walls. That freq range is only slightly lower than military satcom. It's best suited for circular polarized line of sight type
communications, or short range only.
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I think when people say LTE would be better it's because Sprints LTE implementation would almost definitely be done over their old Nextel frequencies. Which basically means better penetration than Clears WiMax.
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davidc23 said:
Are you stupid? LTE is wayy faster then wimax
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There is no saturation on Verizon's LTE networks so to make that statement makes you appear stupid. Please, next time, think before you speak.
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I think when people say LTE would be better is because Sprints LTE implementation would almost definitely be done over their old Nextel frequencies. Which basically means better penetration than Clears WiMax.
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that or they simply don't understand what they are talking about to begin with fully. Regardless anything being used on that freq will not take place till 2013 since thats when they said they plan to have iden shut off and switched over to using cdma.
btw Great to see you around Calk! Hows the kid doing? gotten a chance to check out the Sensation Port at all?
Unused code: LTE requires a new radio, Rev b most likely would too, but it doesn't matter as no carrier supports EVDO rev b anyway.
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Coverage and building penetration is the only issues I see with WiMax.
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You say that like it's trivial. Those two factors make the 4G network unusable even in areas where it's supposed to exist.
The EVO already has built in support for Rev. B, LTE would be impossible as it is in the GSM family and would require a SIM card.
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The EVO already has built in support for Rev. B, LTE would be impossible as it is in the GSM family and would require a SIM card.
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Correct even the tbolt uses a sim card to access lte.
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The EVO already has built in support for Rev. B, LTE would be impossible as it is in the GSM family and would require a SIM card.
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You sure? The first gen Snapdragon chipset does, but the transmitter doesn't.
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Were getting better connection since tmo and att didnt work out, tmo is getting more spectrum http://gigaom2.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/11uax01-jpg-e1327448591272.png
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is it nationwide or just the rural areas that tmo doesn't have the best coverage? thanks for the info by the way
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If you search there is a list of towers they are going to share (big cities) but they are getting extra spectrum as well.
Don't have a link sorry.
Read about it awhile ago.
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is it nationwide or just the rural areas that tmo doesn't have the best coverage? thanks for the info by the way
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Well as much as i know tmobile didnt have much say in it, att gave tmo the spectrum that it was barely using so my guess would b its the lower population areas, but i do see major city upgrades too
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More spectrum doesn't mean better coverage. AT&T only gave T-Mobile spectrum in places that AT&T doesn't need it, and T-Mobile has some, but not enough.
That's why only 2-3 markets got 20MHz of spectrum, and those were AT&T LTE markets that have 700 up and running.
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On which carrier?
yes ,on Verizons network
Opps!!! Im sorry on T-Mobile.well actually is anyone getting Lte on T-Mobile in any states.Does the T-Mobile ssg3 have Lte bands in it. Thanks.
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I'm getting T-Mobile LTE in Virginia Beach, VA.
Greg1964 said:
Opps!!! Im sorry on T-Mobile.well actually is anyone getting Lte on T-Mobile in any states.Does the T-Mobile ssg3 have Lte bands in it. Thanks.
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The SGS3 (T999) does NOT have the LTE radio built in. You will need to purchase the new SGS3 model from T-Mobile, the T999L in order to get the LTE radio and frequencies.
So basically if I buy the HTC one or the Gs4 from T-Mobile I will have Lte service. Thanks...
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Greg1964 said:
So basically if I buy the HTC one or the Gs4 from T-Mobile I will have Lte service. Thanks...
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Yup! No problem! speeds were tested at the T-Mobile store on Baseline & Rural, on a Galaxy Note II on display in the store.
If someone has a phone such as the ssg3 I-999 phone that doesn't have Lte bands but its cap able of 42 m.b.p.s. hspda isn't that pretty much as good as having a Lte phone. Thanks!!!
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Greg1964 said:
If someone has a phone such as the ssg3 I-999 phone that doesn't have Lte bands but its cap able of 42 m.b.p.s. hspda isn't that pretty much as good as having a Lte phone. Thanks!!!
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No, HSPA+ 42mbps is not the same as LTE. It's close, but it's not the same. You're not going to get anywhere close to 40mbps on HSPA with T-Mobile, the network has enough users on it at any given time, you may come close to 30, but you'll never break that barrier due to the specification limitations and tower limitations. LTE is new hardware and software backbone which supports much more bandwidth being handled at once, to more users at once.
The Phoenix Metropolitan area should be Release 7, Category 14 (21mbps), anywhere that has the 42mbps should be on Release 8, Category 20 or 24, depending on the model of their phone (20=single radio, 24=dual-radio). Wikipedia
My friends n4 gets download speeds of 35- 43 with upload speeds of 22-25 m.b.p.s. and he lives in mesa,a.z.
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