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x1i prototype?

I just recently purchased an x1i for what I thought was a bargain price. At half the retail, i got the phone in perfect condition and a charger. i didn't mind back then and have been using the phone on a daily basis and it works great. I never questioned why I just got the phone, seeing how adding a box and manual can't be that hard. I wanted to update my ROM to R2A today and when I took the battery out I noticed for the first time: "Prototype build:AP1" and underneath it "Prototype not for sale". So here's my question, is this a prototype and is it in anyway inferior to a retail model?

Thats why it was so cheap
Mine not say prototype....
But you should not care about that if it works well...And have no cracks

prototypes tend to have downgraded hardware than the actual retail

do you have pics of it? please show them! i'm curious to know if yours has a button on the bottom left corner.. kinda like the camera button but instead it's on the left side. iirc the prototype models had that button and one of the reviewers said it was supposed to be made for switching between landscape/portrait.

This is not supposed to be sold! I work there at Sony Ericsson, last time somebody sold a prototype version of a phone he got fired. This guy is either stupid or careless

Depends how old the prototype is then the hardware might be inferior (less ram). One advantage you have is that your phone is most likely "Security Unlocked"
Have a look at the back, what week was it produced on?
As for the person that sold it, they shouldn't have. It's not meant for resale!
I can confirm that anything above 08W25 is good

thanks
thanks for tbe info. mine says 08W26. as for the button to switch between portrait and landscape, it doesn't exist on my x1. The phone is security unlocked. I'll post some pictures up soon.

I bought a proto p990i, didnt know it was a proto. I kept it for spare parts since the firmware couldnt be updated. When I used any function besides calling someone it would lock up on me

tehnoobzorz said:
prototypes tend to have downgraded hardware than the actual retail
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Quite the opposite: SE prototypes ALWAYS have the final HW inside, it's usually the initial sw that's pre-RC - which does not effect him as his most likely been upgraded to MR1 at least...

rc3ilynt said:
I just recently purchased an x1i for what I thought was a bargain price. At half the retail, i got the phone in perfect condition and a charger. i didn't mind back then and have been using the phone on a daily basis and it works great. I never questioned why I just got the phone, seeing how adding a box and manual can't be that hard. I wanted to update my ROM to R2A today and when I took the battery out I noticed for the first time: "Prototype build:AP1" and underneath it "Prototype not for sale". So here's my question, is this a prototype and is it in anyway inferior to a retail model?
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Yes, it is a final prototype for operators to test. This means that it is probably someone outside of SE that has sold it.
It is not inferior in any way, but you can probably not upgrade firmware via SE tools. And you can forget getting help at a SE service location if needed. Some operators also disables the prototype IMEI number in their net after some time, which will make it useless as a phone.
Best thing to do: Turn it in to the nearest SE Service center with details of who sold it. You might be rewarded with a retail X1.

AviatorEkis said:
Yes, it is a final prototype for operators to test. This means that it is probably someone outside of SE that has sold it.
It is not inferior in any way, but you can probably not upgrade firmware via SE tools.
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False. Login to to Emma and take a look - if you have a real proto with operator test release sw then you can upgrade it, provided you have access to Emma (you're an authorized SE service center, a SE employee or anyone with Emma login.)
And you can forget getting help at a SE service location if needed.
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False again. They will help you but it won't be free as it's not covoered by warranty - but again, any used phone you buy won't have warranty or max. one year - if it was retail - anyway.
Some operators also disables the prototype IMEI number in their net after some time, which will make it useless as a phone.
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I assume you have link or some other evidence, right?
Because if you don't have I have to call it on its name: baseless rumor, pure FUD.
Best thing to do: Turn it in to the nearest SE Service center with details of who sold it. You might be rewarded with a retail X1.
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What an utter nonsense - why would ANYONE give him this entirely malicious advice to GIVE HIS PHONE AWAY, hoping that - even bigger nonsense! - someone willl GIVE HIM A NEW PHONE FOR FREE!!!
The only thing I can't decide is that whether you're truly believe in this crap or you're just another @ss retailer trying to keep up high prices of his stuff...

goldenchild7801 said:
I bought a proto p990i, didnt know it was a proto. I kept it for spare parts since the firmware couldnt be updated. When I used any function besides calling someone it would lock up on me
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It can be updated but not by you - bring it to any authorized SE retailer and ask him to log in to Emma and update it - they will probably charge you for it but it's worth the price, trust me.

szlevi said:
False. Login to to Emma and take a look - if you have a real proto with operator test release sw then you can upgrade it, provided you have access to Emma (you're an authorized SE service center, a SE employee or anyone with Emma login.)
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Emma ? How archaic
Of course you can fla**** with internal SE tools, but not via Update Service. And sure you can find a service center that does not bother thats it is an AP. But not an SE one.
szlevi said:
False again. They will help you but it won't be free as it's not covoered by warranty - but again, any used phone you buy won't have warranty or max. one year - if it was retail - anyway.
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Again, you can find service centers that does not bother since they will get cash for the job. But not on a SE Service Center.
szlevi said:
I assume you have link or some other evidence, right?
Because if you don't have I have to call it on its name: baseless rumor, pure FUD.
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A link ? Some operators do, others don't. Believe it or not.
szlevi said:
What an utter nonsense - why would ANYONE give him this entirely malicious advice to GIVE HIS PHONE AWAY, hoping that - even bigger nonsense! - someone willl GIVE HIM A NEW PHONE FOR FREE!!!
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Not someone, SE. You know the company that pays rewards for getting help tracking down users and sellers of stolen protos.
szlevi said:
The only thing I can't decide is that whether you're truly believe in this crap or you're just another @ss retailer trying to keep up high prices of his stuff...
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Well I don't know anything about you, but if I discover that somthing I bought was stolen goods i'd sure as hell would contact the owner.

szlevi said:
It can be updated but not by you - bring it to any authorized SE retailer and ask him to log in to Emma and update it - they will probably charge you for it but it's worth the price, trust me.
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I got rid of the p990i awhile ago, Im sporting an X1 now

rc3ilynt said:
thanks for tbe info. mine says 08W26. as for the button to switch between portrait and landscape, it doesn't exist on my x1. The phone is security unlocked. I'll post some pictures up soon.
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My X1i is also prototype 08W25, and it doesn't have another button, also all hardware is the same as in final device. You can update rom to any in this forum without any problems, of course it also mean you can update to official R2A rom. I had about 5 X1i different prototypes, older and newer (with extra button and without, full ram 288mb and half 128mb and all can be updated to any newest rom available. But for this which have only 128mb ram I recommend R1A rom which have less ram requaiment (ie there is some problems with running some apps on R2A roms after few hours of use on 128mb ram device becouse much ram is missing then).
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Oh, and prototype devices have much better cover/housing, I have mine more then 5 months (and it wasnt new when I bought it) and it still don't have any crack on the cover!

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Emma ? How archaic
Of course you can fla**** with internal SE tools, but not via Update Service.
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It is not *internal* at all, ask first if you have no clue - any service center with SE connections has - or can have - a login.
And sure you can find a service center that does not bother thats it is an AP. But not an SE one.
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As I said, false. Once again: why don't you ask first instead of spreading stupid rumors?
Again, you can find service centers that does not bother since they will get cash for the job. But not on a SE Service Center.
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Do you actually know WTF are you talking about? SE service centers are regualr private, authorized 3rd party shops - they are the one who have logins to EMMA.
Stop talking bull when you obviously don't know much about them, please.
A link ? Some operators do, others don't. Believe it or not.
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Thanks for confirming it's obviously a stupid rumor, nothing else.
Not someone, SE.
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Never heard of anything like this - any link?
Let me guess you don't have any...
You know the company that pays rewards for getting help tracking down users and sellers of stolen protos.
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You are truly clueless: these are most likely not stolen but sales samples, pal. Another newsflash: tracking users are borderline illegal in most countries (unless you have a criminal case and police/court/law is involved.)
Well I don't know anything about you, but if I discover that somthing I bought was stolen goods i'd sure as hell would contact the owner.
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Again: why don't you ask before you post silly assumptions as facts?
FYI: almost all protos are given away and their owners are free to sell it later. (it isn't nice to sell it when it's still new, khm. )
Once retail products are out en masse most protos end up either collect dust on a shelf or end up on eBay.
I'm sure few end up being stolen but they are just like any other phone - nobody traces them down at all unless someone requests it.

Bell recovery mode - fix from Samsung is on the way

Was just at the store aaking about exchanging my SGS, and the rep told me they were not allowed to exchange phones for lack of recovery anymore, since all curent models do it.
But, she also said that Samsung knows about the problem, that it is well documented, and that a rom update will be out soon to fix it. She said it may ship with the froyo update.
She semed to know what she was talking about and said this came from the Samsung rep, so I think it is legit
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i hope it's true.
that wil save a lot of trouble for a lot of people

brunes said:
Was just at the store aaking about exchanging my SGS, and the rep told me they were not allowed to exchange phones for lack of recovery anymore, since all curent models do it.
But, she also said that Samsung knows about the problem, that it is well documented, and that a rom update will be out soon to fix it. She said it may ship with the froyo update.
She semed to know what she was talking about and said this came from the Samsung rep, so I think it is legit
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With the rate that Samsung's dragging its feet for fixing other issues with the galaxy s line, I'm glad I just got a straight refund for mine last week. Waited quite a long time for the SGS to be available in Canada, but now I'm kind of wondering if I should wait longer for HTC's next super phone.
Think they really need to crank up their bug fix team. Many people got burnt by them not updating older phones, but with the number of sales they have with the S, it really could hurt their mobile sales for years to come if they let things slide.

Raise the BS flag!

i'll only move back to HTC if they include SAMOLED

Samsung is not dragging their feet have you looked at the x10 or the htc magic? Samsung has already put out a update for the bell model i9000m just 1 week after the phone came out.. thats fast.

TriC_101 said:
Samsung is not dragging their feet have you looked at the x10 or the htc magic? Samsung has already put out a update for the bell model i9000m just 1 week after the phone came out.. thats fast.
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Yes, the phone's been out for 1 week here in Canada, but in other parts of the world, it's been out for 2 months. And still no solid fix for the GPS. Go check out the GPS thread @ the phandoid forums to see how many times a phantom update was supposed to fix that issue.
I really did love my S, but I can live without a smart phone under all the issues are worked out. I'm a pessimist by nature, but I am hoping to be pleasantly surprised with all kinds of fixes and an on schedule froyo release.
PS, might want to look at the behold II, you know the phone that they said it would be upgraded to 2.x in their promotional video, then said 1.6 is as far as they were going to go just as the S was announced? heheh

Hmm that's weird.
I just exchanged mine this afternoon at Yonge and Dundas in Toronto and I wasn't even asked any questions. The manager said they were aware of the problem and that the new batch was working so it was exchanged on the spot. No mention of waiting for updates...
My new one works perfectly.

DarthV said:
Yes, the phone's been out for 1 week here in Canada, but in other parts of the world, it's been out for 2 months. And still no solid fix for the GPS. Go check out the GPS thread @ the phandoid forums to see how many times a phantom update was supposed to fix that issue.
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The GPS is fixed with the new ROM.... check the threads. I can attest to it it locks much faster and is much more accurate now.
atanga said:
Hmm that's weird.
I just exchanged mine this afternoon at Yonge and Dundas in Toronto and I wasn't even asked any questions. The manager said they were aware of the problem and that the new batch was working so it was exchanged on the spot. No mention of waiting for updates...
y.
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To me, this just further confirms that a fix is coming. If it is fixed in new batches, then an updated SPL will be out shortly, or shipped with Froyo. It would not make sense to not ship it because it would just end up to more warranty returns due to bricked upgrades.

cool, hope they fix this soon!

just for the record, it's not just the Bell model
i9000 from other countries have having the same problem, and it's also not all the units, just some units
seems like they have some one sleeping in Samsung's QA department.
otherwise there is no explanation why some units of the same batch are fine, yet some units are missing the 3 buttons modes

And someone from futureshop was even arguing with me that bell did that to avoid rooting it 

casperr said:
And someone from futureshop was even arguing with me that bell did that to avoid rooting it 
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LOL
some one tried to tell me the same on wireless wave
"samsung caught up on the problem, all new phones comes without it"
then i made them pull out a newer box, and ta da... it worked
the girl was left (speechless)
the first one i tried had an older date in the box

Any new updates about this fix?...

ccrows said:
Any new updates about this fix?...
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the 3 button fix is already in the DEV sub forum of SGS
find it and install it

3rd time.... Unlucky!

Im now on my 3rd SG2 after different problems with each handset..
story goes,
1st. Phone would drop out of signal randomly. I would watch as the bars would rise and fall. hours spent with orange / phones4u / samsung tech guys and all agreed on a fault handset
2nd. Phone suffered BADLY with over heating. To the point where the handset had become slightly warped and had a distinct rattle where the duel core was. Again, store swapped phone with no questions asked.
3rd. This handset is very slooow straight out of the box, charged up, the phone is very sluggish, takes longer for the screen to light up, there is a delay when typing and apps take longer to open.
Am i destined to never have a decent handset!?
version 2 was lightning fast but the heat was very vary worrying.
version 3 is like being back with the SG1!!

Have you tried updating to Ke7 or de-branding your phone?
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kenshinzer0 said:
Have you tried updating to Ke7 or de-branding your phone?
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De branding does not fix a fault and makes warranty problems .
Factory reset first then no workee returnee.
jje

kenshinzer0 said:
Have you tried updating to Ke7 or de-branding your phone?
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phone has a build date of 18/05 and is already on KE7 and already debranded from P4U

buy iphone and you be happy and we to.

kalki said:
buy iphone and you be happy and we to.
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Ignore Idiot button required .
jje

JJEgan said:
Ignore Idiot button required .
jje
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agree on that

well, i have done another factory reset and done some investigation.
I think the slow speed was down to the google back up system.
The first time i set up the new handset, it set about downloading all of my previous apps. Now i dont have root or any 3rd party back up app so i was surprised.
However, i have done another reset and installed the apps manually this time.
The speed is back and im happy.
(apart from idiots posting about iphones!)

How do you determine the build date on the phone if you dont mind me asking?
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there is probably a straight forward way ( code on dial screen) but i have an app called Elixir. Gives you loads of stats about your phone.

Can the build date in elixir refer to the ROM? Mine says May 18 2011 09:08:22

croftyboy8 said:
there is probably a straight forward way ( code on dial screen) but i have an app called Elixir. Gives you loads of stats about your phone.
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This apps looks good. Lotsa of information in it.

JJEgan said:
Ignore Idiot button required .
jje
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Hahahah I am still laughing. ))

JJEgan said:
Ignore Idiot button required .
jje
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Idiot is the guy who three times got kick in his face and it is not sufficient reason for him to stop.
I think this topic is provocation.
But people like waste your time.

zanbay said:
Hahahah I am still laughing. ))
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and still going hahahaha ha ha......

chribruu said:
Can the build date in elixir refer to the ROM? Mine says May 18 2011 09:08:22
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Wait, One Call already has the SGS2?
Daaaaamn yoooouuu NetCom!

croftyboy8 said:
Am i destined to never have a decent handset!?
version 2 was lightning fast but the heat was very vary worrying.
version 3 is like being back with the SG1!!
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you got super badluck
remindes me when i retured 5 harddrives in a row
first HD died
second HD displayed as 2tb (this was when it didnt exist) faulty
3rd had a bad sector would only fill up to 300gb
4th died
5th turns on then dies then lives etc

I've exchanged mine 2 times, until the latest one with Camera Firmware OEMF2 is great one with no issues.
1. First one had pink spot camera and video stuttering.
2. GSM module failure (occasional internet data drop), flimsy battery, bad battery, self-power off especially being placed in the pocked or pressing touchscreen at the bottom.
3. The third one is spectacular. Works perfectly without any issues. Battery is superb. 1 charge, 3 days and 14 ours with moderate usage.

My Screen is Touching Itself

Hi all,
About 2 weeks ago I noticed the bottom left of my screen would activate by itself repeatedly. This mostly seemed to happen when I was trying to type something. It carried on for a while so tonight I flashed a romkitchen rom (2.3.3) (I was on 2.2.1 before), thinking it might be a bug in the system somewhere. Well the problem is still there and I;ve discovered it's always that same corner of the screen that does it no matter what orientation I have it in. I can't even sign into the market at the moment because it makes it impossible to type and the screen ends up freezing until I press the home screen.
Is there anything this could be other than a hardware issue? I did a full factory reset etc during the flashing process.
If I need to send it back would I need to flash it back to stock? I bout my phone from O2 in the UK, where can I get the correct firmware? samfirmware has loads but how do I know which one I need?
Thanks in advance!

Sounds like a hardware issue. Did it ever get rained on or something? Do you use a screen protector?
You might want to edit the topic title, although it is quite funny. Read it and think a bit.

ROFLMAO
That is by far the funniest thread title I've seen on here yet
It does sound like a hardware issue though.

Hehe....nice title
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FuryriderX said:
Sounds like a hardware issue. Did it ever get rained on or something? Do you use a screen protector?
You might want to edit the topic title, although it is quite funny. Read it and think a bit.
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simply THE BEST title so far!!!! cant stop laughing here!!!!.....sorry

Yeah I agree with the person who suggested it was a hardware issue. Always worth getting someone to check it out for you

Tell it to stop or it will go blind.

let him touching if it gives him pleasure.

Hahahahahahahahaaaa!!!!
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Tell it to stop or it will go blind.
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is it happening only while phone is being charged or all the time?

FuryriderX said:
Sounds like a hardware issue. Did it ever get rained on or something? Do you use a screen protector?
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No water damage or anything. I do use a screen protector but it looks flawless in the affected corner

rizzy123 said:
is it happening only while phone is being charged or all the time?
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It happens at random. Sometimes it works fine. Not related to being plugged in though

I know someone that had the same issue, though it was with the Vibrant (not i9000m). He sent it to samsung, but it still has the same problem, though not as frequent. I haven't seen him in a while so I'm not sure if he ever got it resolved...

sixshot84 said:
No water damage or anything. I do use a screen protector but it looks flawless in the affected corner
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Just to eliminate all possible outside influences, take the protector off and clean the screen really well - and see if it still does it. If it does, then bring it in and try your best to be convincing

FuryriderX said:
Just to eliminate all possible outside influences, take the protector off and clean the screen really well - and see if it still does it. If it does, then bring it in and try your best to be convincing
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I'll see how it goes with the protector off. I think my screen is failing though as now on occassion the screen will completely freeze and I have to put it to sleep and wait a few minutes for it to start working again.
Can anyone point me in the direction of carrier specific stock firmwares? I can only find stock android ones.
Thanks,

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Tell it to stop or it will go blind.
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this is so true

I've had the same problem. Unlocked SGS on Orange UK. The problem was on/off for a while but eventually got so bad I couldn't use the phone, removing screen protector made no difference.
I stuck an old Froyo build on and took it into carphonewarehouse, they sent it off and it was fixed in their repair centre. No problems since and that was 4 months ago.
Not sure how you would go about getting the operators rom on there but I'm sure you can mess around with Kies to get it to download the one you want.

sixshot84 said:
Can anyone point me in the direction of carrier specific stock firmwares? I can only find stock android ones.
Thanks,
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Try samfirmware.com, down at the botton of the GT I9000 firmwares are the provider's ones.

beardedwonder said:
I've had the same problem. Unlocked SGS on Orange UK. The problem was on/off for a while but eventually got so bad I couldn't use the phone, removing screen protector made no difference.
I stuck an old Froyo build on and took it into carphonewarehouse, they sent it off and it was fixed in their repair centre. No problems since and that was 4 months ago.
Not sure how you would go about getting the operators rom on there but I'm sure you can mess around with Kies to get it to download the one you want.
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Think that's what I'll have to do then. Hadn't thought of using Kies, thanks for that. I'll whack a stock 2.1 rom on there and see if it will update to 2.2 through kies.

DMD9 said:
Try samfirmware.com, down at the botton of the GT I9000 firmwares are the provider's ones.
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Thanks, it's a bit unclear which one is what. I'll look into it a bit more.
P.S. how does the multi-quote work on here. When I select the threads I want to quote and press post reply nothing happens

[Q] Can IMEI be changed?

I want to buy a new HD2.The seller says he has some hd2 produced in June and it can be inquired on htc website by imei.
Can IMEI be changed ?
I worry it's refurbished
thanks

zero2zero said:
I want to buy a new HD2.The seller says he has some hd2 produced in June and it can be inquired on htc website by imei.
Can IMEI be changed ?
I worry it's refurbished
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not easily and not legally, but it can be done.

orangekid said:
not easily and not legally, but it can be done.
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agreed, its not easy but it is possible

is there a way to know if it has been changed?

zero2zero said:
is there a way to know if it has been changed?
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I SERIOUSLY doubt it's been changed. Well the box should have it as well as if you remove the battery it should say it on the back of the phone, so the guy would have had to hard program it into the phone and also changed out inside the phone.
Don't worry about it.

Maybe I think too much
I'm from China. In China many 'refurbishers' specialize in these works.
I need to examine the whole phone and I wish I won't be unfortunate.

zero2zero said:
Maybe I think too much
I'm from China. In China many 'refurbishers' specialize in these works.
I need to examine the whole phone and I wish I won't be unfortunate.
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Check to make sure the IMEI on the back of the phone under the battery is the same one listed in settings > about.
Also if you got a box make sure that it is the same IMEI as on the phone.
If all three are the same it is very highly doubtful that it was changed.