This phone is awesome as we know. But why did Samsung not make it possible to backup everything on the phone without the need to root before you can use an app like Titanium Backup? Surely backing up is a basic requirement of any phone? I was able to do nightly backups with spb backup on my touch diamond. Or am I missing something and there's a way to backup everything without being rooted?
you could use https://market.android.com/details?id=com.BackMaster
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There is no way to backup application data without root
everything else you can backup with kies or by syncing with google
That backup app looks quite good. But I wonder if it backs up memos I created.
omrij said:
There is no way to backup application data without root
everything else you can backup with kies or by syncing with google
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I'm aware you're correct, but that's ridiculous on samsung's part, or maybe it's an android thing. The SGS2 is MILES ahead technologically than my HTC Diamond, yet you can't do something as simple as backup app data without rooting, where I could on the diamond. It's as though samsung suggests that you invalidate your warranty if you would like to backup your phone.
Roman5 said:
I'm aware you're correct, but that's ridiculous on samsung's part, or maybe it's an android thing. The SGS2 is MILES ahead technologically than my HTC Diamond, yet you can't do something as simple as backup app data without rooting, where I could on the diamond. It's as though samsung suggests that you invalidate your warranty if you would like to backup your phone.
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It is an Android thing, and has absolutely nothing to do with Samsung. It's the same on all Android phones, and it's for a reason. If you didn't need root access to gain access to app data then all your sensitive information would be accessible to every single app you installed. Obviously, that wouldn't be good.
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It is an Android thing, and has absolutely nothing to do with Samsung. It's the same on all Android phones, and it's for a reason. If you didn't need root access to gain access to app data then all your sensitive information would be accessible to every single app you installed. Obviously, that wouldn't be good.
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That's not true
Apple's ios can backup application data without compromising your privacy
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I am an administrator of a couple of phones that "ordinary" people uses. Some of these people just can't leave settings alone, installes his own application and then comes down and complain about the phone not working. I've had it.
Is there any way to lock down the hermes so that he just can read settings, transfer his activesync info and change that but not changing ANYTHING that is system related??
any product free or charged doesn't really matter, just curios to know if any software like that exists.
This looks like it might do what you're after:
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/kioskengine/?en
My best advice would be to install a backup application such as SPB Backup, complte your desired settings and then take a backup. Later when the person returns with junked device, hard-reset and restore the previously taken backup! That should be easy right?
Carty said:
My best advice would be to install a backup application such as SPB Backup, complte your desired settings and then take a backup. Later when the person returns with junked device, hard-reset and restore the previously taken backup! That should be easy right?
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I have actually tried that, but it doesn't quite do it. It doesn't always restore everything and so on...it is almost more work restoring than reinstall everything again!
The kiosk application might be what I am looking for
Suppose you lost your Android tablet or phone tomorrow, or it died and you got a replacement. Then you realize you don't have back up of your in-app data (like your games level, files you created on devices).
Before you argue that you have your phone rooted and can use titanium backup or similar apps, consider this:
1) - what if you are upgrade to a different device (GTab 10.1 to GTab 7.7), or (Gingerbread to Honeycomb), your backup may not work;
2) - manufacturer like Samsung don't approve rooting, as it voids your warranty.
In other words, there is NO official method to backup your data in a way approved by Google!
Am I the only to think that this is plain unacceptable?
In the settings > backup and reset, it says you can keep your application data, wifi passwords, and more (I think this includes calendar and phone book) as a copy in your Google account. Tbh I haven't tested this but could it be what you are looking for? Otherwise, yeah you are absolutely right...
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Panos_dm said:
In the settings > backup and reset, it says you can keep your application data, wifi passwords, and more (I think this includes calendar and phone book) as a copy in your Google account. Tbh I haven't tested this but could it be what you are looking for? Otherwise, yeah you are absolutely right...
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No, that's not it. That "backup" does nothing to you in-app data.
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No, that's not it. That "backup" does nothing to you in-app data.
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Agreed. Have to support the OP in this, the fact that there is no standard non-root backup approach is truly appalling.
I'm trialling MyBackup at present - so far, so good, but the fear factor is high - I'd hate to have to depend on it without warning.
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Suppose you lost your Android tablet or phone tomorrow, or it died and you got a replacement. Then you realize you don't have back up of your in-app data (like your games level, files you created on devices).
Before you argue that you have your phone rooted and can use titanium backup or similar apps, consider this:
1) - what if you are upgrade to a different device (GTab 10.1 to GTab 7.7), or (Gingerbread to Honeycomb), your backup may not work;
2) - manufacturer like Samsung don't approve rooting, as it voids your warranty.
In other words, there is NO official method to backup your data in a way approved by Google!
Am I the only to think that this is plain unacceptable?
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I ALWAYS root and I simply wouldn't buy a device which is locked (that's why in early January I bought a G.Tab 10.1" instead of a Transformer TF101, my first choice was the TF101 but the latest units on the market were locked).
Even without root, anyway, the only things you would loose is data apps (which, games aside -and I don't do games on my mobile devices- mainly means apps settings) and I never restore them when changing devices or going through major software updates.
That said, I do agree with you that there should be a better, OFFICIAL, integrated and comprehensive backup solution.
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Suppose you lost your Android tablet or phone tomorrow, or it died and you got a replacement. Then you realize you don't have back up of your in-app data (like your games level, files you created on devices).
Before you argue that you have your phone rooted and can use titanium backup or similar apps, consider this:
1) - what if you are upgrade to a different device (GTab 10.1 to GTab 7.7), or (Gingerbread to Honeycomb), your backup may not work;
2) - manufacturer like Samsung don't approve rooting, as it voids your warranty.
In other words, there is NO official method to backup your data in a way approved by Google!
Am I the only to think that this is plain unacceptable?
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I haven't been stock for a long time, but if you really want to backup app data without root I think you can just save those folders. Probably differences between apps in how/where data is stored, but if there's something specific you might be able to figure it out. Also, there's an app called saveshare (sharesave?) that backs up certain games to dropbox so you can save your game across multiple devices (not exacly elegant, but if that's what you want).
But really, why would you ever be stock if you have android? And if you are, why are you on XDA? Also, what other operating system has this feature? Even on a desktop this isn't an easy fix.
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Also, what other operating system has this feature? Even on a desktop this isn't an easy fix.
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Well apple is pretty damn good on this. I wish kies, or another program, had that iTunes functionality. It backs up apps and settings and they can be easily restored...
Sent from my amazing 10.1 galaxy tab
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Well apple is pretty damn good on this. I wish kies, or another program, had that iTunes functionality. It backs up apps and settings and they can be easily restored...
Sent from my amazing 10.1 galaxy tab
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Sorry, that's just not correct. itunes backs up the apps and setting, but not the appdata (which is what the OP was specifically talking about). Unless you're talking about imaging a hard drive (which is what apple does with the "time machine" software) you're not going to save your appdata. Sorry, guys, but this just doesn't exist yet. Root, install Titanium, and backup; or complain on a forum that isn't for folks who were doing that stuff anyways...
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Sorry, that's just not correct. itunes backs up the apps and setting, but not the appdata (which is what the OP was specifically talking about). Unless you're talking about imaging a hard drive (which is what apple does with the "time machine" software) you're not going to save your appdata. Sorry, guys, but this just doesn't exist yet. Root, install Titanium, and backup; or complain on a forum that isn't for folks who were doing that stuff anyways...
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Actually Apple does back up app data. When you restore from backup everything gets restored on the device.
welcome to life.
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Suppose you lost your Android tablet or phone tomorrow, or it died and you got a replacement. Then you realize you don't have back up of your in-app data (like your games level, files you created on devices).
Before you argue that you have your phone rooted and can use titanium backup or similar apps, consider this:
1) - what if you are upgrade to a different device (GTab 10.1 to GTab 7.7), or (Gingerbread to Honeycomb), your backup may not work;
2) - manufacturer like Samsung don't approve rooting, as it voids your warranty.
In other words, there is NO official method to backup your data in a way approved by Google!
Am I the only to think that this is plain unacceptable?
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agreed, more than enough times i have changed my tablet or android phone and lost all save progress in all my games, it's really annoying!
with ipod touch there is a auto backup that restores everything with a click of a button, this is the only downside to android and needs to improve with android especially when android promotes the tablets as a mobile gaming machine on the go.
i don't have the patience to play games on tablet to completion because of the way save files are handled, i play angry birds so many times and it ends up getting reset everytime i get a new phone so i don't bother anymore, it doesn't help that game developers from the console market release games on android and those types of games need a save backup feature just like on consoles, even a basic cloud save service would be great even if you had to pay for it would make it less painful for people constantly changing their tablets and phones all the time, because we all know that technology moves fast and the latest thing gets old within 2 years so our tablets and phones are always changing, i would like in the future to cloud sync my save progress whenever i upgrade or buy a new phone.
a good example is now, i have a xoom and want to upgrade to a galaxy note 10.1 i can't take anything with me apart from pictures and media like mp3s and video, everything else will be wiped from the tablet, i can't use titanium backup pro without wiping my xoom first and then backup (which is completely useless why wipe a device to root it when there is nothing left to backup?) mybackup pro or titanium backup cannot backup much without root so i am SOL and there is not much i can do about it please sort this out google for future updates, this is essential imo for a popular OS like this, you shouldn't have to void your warranty or wipe your data to backup stuff, it should be a simple easy process.
So I understand this is a new feature in marsmallow, right? Your app data within reason being backed up into your google account.
I'm wondering if any of you has actually tried recovering from it and could share their experience? I'm considering whether to root the 6P to install Xposed, and obviously unlocking the bootloader will wipe everything out and to be fair life is too short to spend configuring all my apps again the way I like them.
Not all apps get backed up. Comes down to the developer allowing whatever api's are necessary. For me the biggest pain is having to set up phillips hue stuff every time. I'm still unrooted at least for now. good news is that if you do root, titanium backup will be there for you in the future.
As @y2whisper said, it is on an app by app basis. Details here: http://www.droid-life.com/2015/06/0...-of-apps-to-google-drive-plus-auto-restoring/
I had to RMA my first N6P. I was impressed with how many of my settings were restored. I assumed that most of my apps would not support it already, and was pleasantly surprised. It was everything, of course, but it was a good portion, and went smoothly.
Thank you guys.
fury683 said:
As @y2whisper said, it is on an app by app basis. Details here: http://www.droid-life.com/2015/06/0...-of-apps-to-google-drive-plus-auto-restoring/
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That article actually says otherwise:
According to Google, app data and setting preferences in those apps will be automatically backed up to Google Drive in Android M. On a user side, this option can be toggled on or off at the system level, but on the developer side, developers simply need to decide if they want to limit what data is backed up. That’s it. Otherwise, Google is automatically backing up app user data and setting preferences to Google Drive, then encrypting it all.
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I about to redo my phone completely and I still own Titanium Backup Pro, is that still the best way to backup everything or can I simply backups my files (photos, videos, PDF's etc...) and use Google's basic restore apps when I reboot my phone from stock?
I know TB is great but last time I used it, I felt there were some bugs and it couldnt restore some apps which was disturbing. Then in the end, I have no idea what is actually did and did not restore, a real PITA.
It also took forever and felt like it got stuck in some parts.
Are there any downsides to using Google apps restore feature? Not sure if that will also maintain all my game/app data.
I also read some good things about TunesGo Android Backup.
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I about to redo my phone completely and I still own Titanium Backup Pro, is that still the best way to backup everything or can I simply backups my files (photos, videos, PDF's etc...) and use Google's basic restore apps when I reboot my phone from stock?
I know TB is great but last time I used it, I felt there were some bugs and it couldnt restore some apps which was disturbing. Then in the end, I have no idea what is actually did and did not restore, a real PITA.
It also took forever and felt like it got stuck in some parts.
Are there any downsides to using Google apps restore feature? Not sure if that will also maintain all my game/app data.
I also read some good things about TunesGo Android Backup.
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The Google apps restore has improved significantly since MM. I do keep TWRP Nandroid backups offline, but have not used them in ages. I use Google apps restore for all of my Play Store and System apps, and TiBu for the "non market" stuff... maybe ~30 apps? I zip the TiBu folder into a single file (Solid Explorer) and move it offline. When upgrading from 6-7 or 7-8, I just completely wipe the phone, flash a full image, let Google Play restore from the cloud. Then extract and use TiBu zip to restore the remaining apps. Icing is a Nova launcher backup to restore all the shortcuts and widgets, and my setup is 99% there in under one hour from a complete blank slate. I've also been experimenting with FlashFire to make ADB backups offline. Very slick backup tool, in addition to it's primary use of flashing monthly security updates. I have not yet restored a FF backup via ADB yet... I just keep one recent backup as a precaution. As for your other thread on rooting- I only see the upside. I don't see any downside. Android Pay not working irritates many, but I will never use that so not a concern. Why buy a Nexus if you're not going to unlock and root?
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The Google apps restore has improved significantly since MM. I do keep TWRP Nandroid backups offline, but have not used them in ages. I use Google apps restore for all of my Play Store and System apps, and TiBu for the "non market" stuff... maybe ~30 apps? I zip the TiBu folder into a single file (Solid Explorer) and move it offline. When upgrading from 6-7 or 7-8, I just completely wipe the phone, flash a full image, let Google Play restore from the cloud. Then extract and use TiBu zip to restore the remaining apps. Icing is a Nova launcher backup to restore all the shortcuts and widgets, and my setup is 99% there in under one hour from a complete blank slate. I've also been experimenting with FlashFire to make ADB backups offline. Very slick backup tool, in addition to it's primary use of flashing monthly security updates. I have not yet restored a FF backup via ADB yet... I just keep one recent backup as a precaution. As for your other thread on rooting- I only see the upside. I don't see any downside. Android Pay not working irritates many, but I will never use that so not a concern. Why buy a Nexus if you're not going to unlock and root?
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Awesome reply, exactly what I was looking for thanks!
So u gave a lot of info and I just want to summarize what I should do to redo my phone as cleanly and quickly as possible, but first can you tell me how you personally differentiate the non-market stuff for TiB? Meaning I have like 200 total apps, so just trying to plan a process here.
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Awesome reply, exactly what I was looking for thanks! So u gave a lot of info and I just want to summarize what I should do to redo my phone as cleanly and quickly as possible, but first can you tell me how you personally differentiate the non-market stuff for TiB? Meaning I have like 200 total apps, so just trying to plan a process here.
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Lots of tutorials out there on how to properly wipe and install a fresh stock image onto a blank phone. Probably the best example can be found on the Google webpage where you download the full image. I use Google restore for all system apps plus the apps I have paid for at the Google Play Store. I use TiBu only for those apps from elsewhere that are not backed up or restored by Google restore. It's made easy by TiBu because after Google restore is 100% complete restoring everything it possibly can, I fire up TiBu and use the "Restore Missing Apps" option.
Can't wait to see the day where all the apps (Gapps too) stop asking things you already seen or chosen when you do a factory reset or change your phone.
Android Backup and Restore has improved a lot, but still has a long road to go. Probably in the future, you just change the Phone and everything, not just some things, are restored. All the little checkbox you ticked in each of the apps. (With "Settings" app, this is happening a bit at the moment, some settings are restored).
Examples: "Dark theme enabled in Tapatalk" / "Use" or "Background activity disabled for Facebook Messenger lite".
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Can't wait to see the day where all the apps (Gapps too) stop asking things you already seen or chosen when you do a factory reset or change your phone.
Android Backup and Restore has improved a lot, but still has a long road to go. Probably in the future, you just change the Phone and everything, not just some things, are restored. All the little checkbox you ticked in each of the apps. (With "Settings" app, this is happening a bit at the moment, some settings are restored).
Examples: "Dark theme enabled in Tapatalk" / "Use" or "Background activity disabled for Facebook Messenger lite".
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You mean like with a full Nandroid backup? :laugh:
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You mean like with a full Nandroid backup? [emoji23]
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No that's different... that's a copy of everything in the phone. I'm talking about Android backup and restore.
So you don't need to start configuring alarms, app and everything after you upgrade your phone.
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Lots of tutorials out there on how to properly wipe and install a fresh stock image onto a blank phone. Probably the best example can be found on the Google webpage where you download the full image. I use Google restore for all system apps plus the apps I have paid for at the Google Play Store. I use TiBu only for those apps from elsewhere that are not backed up or restored by Google restore. It's made easy by TiBu because after Google restore is 100% complete restoring everything it possibly can, I fire up TiBu and use the "Restore Missing Apps" option.
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Ahhhhhhhh perfect, I didnt see that "Restore Missing Apps" last time I did this but that was a looooooooooong time ago... I was just nervous about using TiB again bec last time it kept freezing and it was an exhaustive process and basically I just gave up, pissed me off on a paid app.
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Can't wait to see the day where all the apps (Gapps too) stop asking things you already seen or chosen when you do a factory reset or change your phone.
Android Backup and Restore has improved a lot, but still has a long road to go. Probably in the future, you just change the Phone and everything, not just some things, are restored. All the little checkbox you ticked in each of the apps. (With "Settings" app, this is happening a bit at the moment, some settings are restored).
Examples: "Dark theme enabled in Tapatalk" / "Use" or "Background activity disabled for Facebook Messenger lite".
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Ya seems like every app saves differently so thats why I laugh when people are like, whats the big deal, just redo your phone and only takes an hour.... um no. Maybe if you dont do much and use your phone to check email, calls, and texts and a couple of games but for me its an exhaustive process bec even after you think you restored, there are always some things in the subsequent weeks u find that wasnt restored, missing, or settings are all screwed up. Not a life breaker, but ya, someday maybe they will universally code settings the same way so a backup program can do something like what imaging does in Windows, although Android has many more roms and providers to deal with so u may need some additional steps anyways.
Yes it's a lot of work. For me is never an hour. It's like 3 hours after the android welcome assistant and then several days till I open app by app and setup the settings for each one of them.
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Yes it's a lot of work. For me is never an hour. It's like 3 hours after the android welcome assistant and then several days till I open app by app and setup the settings for each one of them.
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Yea that sounds much more realistic... some people try to oversimplify and think they are doing it in an hour but not.... or they just cant tell time.
I still use TiBi pro for backing app all of my apps. It's just quicker in my opinion. Immediately after flashing new images or roms, I just go into batch actions of TiBu and restore all missing apps with data. Takes about ten minutes and all my apps and data are restored.
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Yea that sounds much more realistic... some people try to oversimplify and think they are doing it in an hour but not.... or they just cant tell time.
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And I have to add that recently I'm just not rooting anymore...
Currently I have the 6P with open bootloader but just because by bank doesn't support android pay and I don't want to go through this android restore slow process.
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I still use TiBi pro for backing app all of my apps. It's just quicker in my opinion. Immediately after flashing new images or roms, I just go into batch actions of TiBu and restore all missing apps with data. Takes about ten minutes and all my apps and data are restored.
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You never had it freeze or not restore something properly? That is the one I am most worried about, its a highly frustrating process when an "automated restore" just doesnt finish the job after waiting over an hour, which is what happened last time I used it for my Galaxy S4, tried 3 times too, so I ditched it and used Google restore and dealt with all the settings after manually.
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You never had it freeze or not restore something properly? That is the one I am most worried about, its a highly frustrating process when an "automated restore" just doesnt finish the job after waiting over an hour, which is what happened last time I used it for my Galaxy S4, tried 3 times too, so I ditched it and used Google restore and dealt with all the settings after manually.
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No sir. I've been running TiBu pro on my Nexus 6p since launch. I've flashed almost every factory image/security update after completing a full wipe before each flash, thus removing all of my apps and data along with it. TiBu pulled through every time. I also make sure to do a batch "redo" of all my backups prior to wiping/flashing the device so this way all my apps data are up to date when I restore them. I'd be lost with TiBu!
For almost as long as I've been using Android devices (going back to my old Nexus One), I've been reading rave review about TitaniumBackup. I've given it a shot on a few occassions, and I've never been able to get it do anything useful, largely because I was never willing to invest the time to understand the user interface.
I'm now faced with the task of upgrading my daughter's Nexus 10 from the last stock OS release to LineageOS, while preserving her apps, data, settings, etc. I thought that my biggest obstacle would be the locked bootloader (and the automatic data wipe when unlocking it). Fortunately, I was able to root the device with KingoRoot and install TWRP. At this point, I figures that I should be able to use TitaniumBackup to migrate her apps, assuming that I was willing to fight through the UI issues.
Boy was I wrong!
I've now spent the better part of a week trying to get this working. After (sort of) figuring out how to use USB storage, determining that the "create update.zip" function doesn't work at all, and finally, FINALLY, managing to actually restore an app, I find that it hasn't copied any of my daughter's data; all apps behave as if they're newly installed.
What at waste of time and money!
I'm sorry to hear about your experience.
I was a regular user of titanium Backup during the days I spent with changing roms regularly.
I've never used the update.zip feature myself, so I can't say anything about it, however I've never had issues with the app.
The essential workflow is to make a backup and then a restore when on a new rom, both the backup and restore may be done on individual apps or as a batch job for multiple apps.
When you r restored the app, did you select "app only" or "app +data"?
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When you r restored the app, did you select "app only" or "app +data"?
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App+data
The issue seems to be that it simply doesn't understand restricted profiles, which is pretty darn sad in 2017.
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App+data
The issue seems to be that it simply doesn't understand restricted profiles, which is pretty darn sad in 2017.
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I assume with profile you refer to the mulitiple accounts feature built in android.
I have to say, I have never need to use multiple accounts on my devices, and as such am unfamiliar with them.