Suppose you lost your Android tablet or phone tomorrow, or it died and you got a replacement. Then you realize you don't have back up of your in-app data (like your games level, files you created on devices).
Before you argue that you have your phone rooted and can use titanium backup or similar apps, consider this:
1) - what if you are upgrade to a different device (GTab 10.1 to GTab 7.7), or (Gingerbread to Honeycomb), your backup may not work;
2) - manufacturer like Samsung don't approve rooting, as it voids your warranty.
In other words, there is NO official method to backup your data in a way approved by Google!
Am I the only to think that this is plain unacceptable?
In the settings > backup and reset, it says you can keep your application data, wifi passwords, and more (I think this includes calendar and phone book) as a copy in your Google account. Tbh I haven't tested this but could it be what you are looking for? Otherwise, yeah you are absolutely right...
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Panos_dm said:
In the settings > backup and reset, it says you can keep your application data, wifi passwords, and more (I think this includes calendar and phone book) as a copy in your Google account. Tbh I haven't tested this but could it be what you are looking for? Otherwise, yeah you are absolutely right...
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No, that's not it. That "backup" does nothing to you in-app data.
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No, that's not it. That "backup" does nothing to you in-app data.
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Agreed. Have to support the OP in this, the fact that there is no standard non-root backup approach is truly appalling.
I'm trialling MyBackup at present - so far, so good, but the fear factor is high - I'd hate to have to depend on it without warning.
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Suppose you lost your Android tablet or phone tomorrow, or it died and you got a replacement. Then you realize you don't have back up of your in-app data (like your games level, files you created on devices).
Before you argue that you have your phone rooted and can use titanium backup or similar apps, consider this:
1) - what if you are upgrade to a different device (GTab 10.1 to GTab 7.7), or (Gingerbread to Honeycomb), your backup may not work;
2) - manufacturer like Samsung don't approve rooting, as it voids your warranty.
In other words, there is NO official method to backup your data in a way approved by Google!
Am I the only to think that this is plain unacceptable?
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I ALWAYS root and I simply wouldn't buy a device which is locked (that's why in early January I bought a G.Tab 10.1" instead of a Transformer TF101, my first choice was the TF101 but the latest units on the market were locked).
Even without root, anyway, the only things you would loose is data apps (which, games aside -and I don't do games on my mobile devices- mainly means apps settings) and I never restore them when changing devices or going through major software updates.
That said, I do agree with you that there should be a better, OFFICIAL, integrated and comprehensive backup solution.
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Suppose you lost your Android tablet or phone tomorrow, or it died and you got a replacement. Then you realize you don't have back up of your in-app data (like your games level, files you created on devices).
Before you argue that you have your phone rooted and can use titanium backup or similar apps, consider this:
1) - what if you are upgrade to a different device (GTab 10.1 to GTab 7.7), or (Gingerbread to Honeycomb), your backup may not work;
2) - manufacturer like Samsung don't approve rooting, as it voids your warranty.
In other words, there is NO official method to backup your data in a way approved by Google!
Am I the only to think that this is plain unacceptable?
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I haven't been stock for a long time, but if you really want to backup app data without root I think you can just save those folders. Probably differences between apps in how/where data is stored, but if there's something specific you might be able to figure it out. Also, there's an app called saveshare (sharesave?) that backs up certain games to dropbox so you can save your game across multiple devices (not exacly elegant, but if that's what you want).
But really, why would you ever be stock if you have android? And if you are, why are you on XDA? Also, what other operating system has this feature? Even on a desktop this isn't an easy fix.
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Also, what other operating system has this feature? Even on a desktop this isn't an easy fix.
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Well apple is pretty damn good on this. I wish kies, or another program, had that iTunes functionality. It backs up apps and settings and they can be easily restored...
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Well apple is pretty damn good on this. I wish kies, or another program, had that iTunes functionality. It backs up apps and settings and they can be easily restored...
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Sorry, that's just not correct. itunes backs up the apps and setting, but not the appdata (which is what the OP was specifically talking about). Unless you're talking about imaging a hard drive (which is what apple does with the "time machine" software) you're not going to save your appdata. Sorry, guys, but this just doesn't exist yet. Root, install Titanium, and backup; or complain on a forum that isn't for folks who were doing that stuff anyways...
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Sorry, that's just not correct. itunes backs up the apps and setting, but not the appdata (which is what the OP was specifically talking about). Unless you're talking about imaging a hard drive (which is what apple does with the "time machine" software) you're not going to save your appdata. Sorry, guys, but this just doesn't exist yet. Root, install Titanium, and backup; or complain on a forum that isn't for folks who were doing that stuff anyways...
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Actually Apple does back up app data. When you restore from backup everything gets restored on the device.
welcome to life.
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Suppose you lost your Android tablet or phone tomorrow, or it died and you got a replacement. Then you realize you don't have back up of your in-app data (like your games level, files you created on devices).
Before you argue that you have your phone rooted and can use titanium backup or similar apps, consider this:
1) - what if you are upgrade to a different device (GTab 10.1 to GTab 7.7), or (Gingerbread to Honeycomb), your backup may not work;
2) - manufacturer like Samsung don't approve rooting, as it voids your warranty.
In other words, there is NO official method to backup your data in a way approved by Google!
Am I the only to think that this is plain unacceptable?
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agreed, more than enough times i have changed my tablet or android phone and lost all save progress in all my games, it's really annoying!
with ipod touch there is a auto backup that restores everything with a click of a button, this is the only downside to android and needs to improve with android especially when android promotes the tablets as a mobile gaming machine on the go.
i don't have the patience to play games on tablet to completion because of the way save files are handled, i play angry birds so many times and it ends up getting reset everytime i get a new phone so i don't bother anymore, it doesn't help that game developers from the console market release games on android and those types of games need a save backup feature just like on consoles, even a basic cloud save service would be great even if you had to pay for it would make it less painful for people constantly changing their tablets and phones all the time, because we all know that technology moves fast and the latest thing gets old within 2 years so our tablets and phones are always changing, i would like in the future to cloud sync my save progress whenever i upgrade or buy a new phone.
a good example is now, i have a xoom and want to upgrade to a galaxy note 10.1 i can't take anything with me apart from pictures and media like mp3s and video, everything else will be wiped from the tablet, i can't use titanium backup pro without wiping my xoom first and then backup (which is completely useless why wipe a device to root it when there is nothing left to backup?) mybackup pro or titanium backup cannot backup much without root so i am SOL and there is not much i can do about it please sort this out google for future updates, this is essential imo for a popular OS like this, you shouldn't have to void your warranty or wipe your data to backup stuff, it should be a simple easy process.
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Sorry for being a noob here. I'm new to Android, and I just want to check that, is there no way to back up everything (like iTunes for iPad) unless the Tf is rooted?
I understand that titanium backup is the most recommended. Does the Tf need to be rooted for the restore to work too?
I honestly would rather not go through the trouble of rooting/unrooting, if I can forever avoid it. I just want to back things up like I did on my iPad. Any help will be appreaciated.
Unless you are going to copy your sd card/ removable device with windows explorer or some other type of file manager...not sure about Mac or Linux..there really is no way to back up without being rooted. Titanium does need root and doing a nandroid backup also requires root. In order to restore...you need to use these items to backup first...and this again requires root then you can restore.
Thank you for confirming. This is a big FAILED on Android. There is a reason why Apple stock is at an all time high.
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Thank you for confirming. This is a big FAILED on Android. There is a reason why Apple stock is at an all time high.
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I think you can backup the device through nvflash without root, although this will back up whole partitions, not individual applications/files. I'm not sure what format the .img files are, but you *might* be able to manipulate them to extract individual goodies, but I haven't tried it yet.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1129308
File Expert app has a Backup option in it that will backup all your installed apps, basically just the APK files to reinstall them which for me is plenty, cause I can just manually backup any extra things I might have such as pics or videos.
you can use mybackuppro without root and backup your apps and data including contacts and pictures etc. to sdcard or to the cloud.
you can use Astro to back up apps as apk files as well.
you can connect your Asus to your pc via usb and copy the entire contents to your hardrive.
Hmm apple is much much worse it was a PITA to root. Then its locked down where I have to boot it from a PC everytime or its not rooted any more.
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Hmm apple is much much worse it was a PITA to root. Then its locked down where I have to boot it from a PC everytime or its not rooted any more.
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The point is, you don't need to jailbreak (root) the iOS. Backup works natively on stock iPhone, iPad and iPod. iTunes may not be your favourite app, but it backs up the devices COMPLETELY. That is, when you buy a brand new device, connect to iTunes, and select restore from a backup... Voila! You new device now looks exactly as the old one, with all the personal info, music, movies, apps, games level, app settings transferred.
@CarsnGadgets - if I connect my Tf to pc via usb and copy the entire content over, how do I restore it? Say, if I lose my Tf and buy another one, can I copy the backup over to overwrite the entire content of the new Tf? (I doubt that)
An Android tablet is a whole Google experience product. Therefore, you should already have a gmail account. I mean, whats the point of owning an android product without gmail. Ok, once you set up your new tablet, you log into all google related products. That said, your email, location services, maps saves, buzz etc is synced to your new tablet. As I understand it, when you to the market, and search for an app you already had, the market knows that and allows a re-download and install, even for purchased apps.
If you wanted to "back-up" anything, you could do a file explorer view of the contents of the transformer, and copy the whole thing over to your PC in a folder once in a while. Thats about it.
I would gladly do all this "extra work" compared to being tied down to a Pc with an apple product, which you cannot even use out of the box until it's synced to itunes, What a load of crap.
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The point is, you don't need to jailbreak (root) the iOS. Backup works natively on stock iPhone, iPad and iPod. iTunes may not be your favourite app, but it backs up the devices COMPLETELY. That is, when you buy a brand new device, connect to iTunes, and select restore from a backup... Voila! You new device now looks exactly as the old one, with all the personal info, music, movies, apps, games level, app settings transferred.
@CarsnGadgets - if I connect my Tf to pc via usb and copy the entire content over, how do I restore it? Say, if I lose my Tf and buy another one, can I copy the backup over to overwrite the entire content of the new Tf? (I doubt that)
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The nvflash method that I linked to will do the backup/restore. i think it's fairly experimental, so no easy app with a flashy GUI.
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An Android tablet is a whole Google experience product. Therefore, you should already have a gmail account. I mean, whats the point of owning an android product without gmail. Ok, once you set up your new tablet, you log into all google related products. That said, your email, location services, maps saves, buzz etc is synced to your new tablet. As I understand it, when you to the market, and search for an app you already had, the market knows that and allows a re-download and install, even for purchased apps.
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...eh... what about the most important part like your in-app data (game data, app setting)? please correct me if I am wrong, but based on the responses from others, and what I read from other websites, I believe it is not possible to back up that unless rooted.
Game data, correct; you cannot back that up to your gmail account. That would not get backed up without rooted backup programs. Still, I'd rather restart Angry birds, having known I didnt have to buy it like the iguys do. That is, if you do not want to root(which is very easy now, for any version of honeycomb). Being able to customize something completely requires some effort. This platform is not for someone who just wants a "perfectly easy user experience". But hey, with effort, comes reward. Like an actual memory slot, HDMI out, a dock with USB's, memory slot in the dock, and lots of battery life.
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Thank you for confirming. This is a big FAILED on Android. There is a reason why Apple stock is at an all time high.
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then return your tf and get a ipad. Itunes is.a lovely program. I love the fact that I need to install itunes on Every computers in order to intall apps. Amazing...
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then return your tf and get a ipad. Itunes is.a lovely program. I love the fact that I need to install itunes on Every computers in order to intall apps. Amazing...
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I do have an ipad, and work paid for my Tf. I like using the Tf for flash content and watching movies on the wide screen.
You do NOT need iTunes to install apps. Currently, you only need to activate a new ios device once with a computer. If you don't care about backups, you never have to connect it to any computer ever. Apps, music, movies can be purchased OTA, just like android.
Starting with iOS 5, coming in the fall, everything can be done OTA, including backing up of device settings, address book, calendar, email, apps, AND app data, all for free! No more activation with a computer.
I may seem like an apple fan. But in fact, I am just a fan of 'whatever works best".
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Game data, correct; you cannot back that up to your gmail account. That would not get backed up without rooted backup programs. Still, I'd rather restart Angry birds, having known I didnt have to buy it like the iguys do. That is, if you do not want to root(which is very easy now, for any version of honeycomb). Being able to customize something completely requires some effort. This platform is not for someone who just wants a "perfectly easy user experience". But hey, with effort, comes reward. Like an actual memory slot, HDMI out, a dock with USB's, memory slot in the dock, and lots of battery life.
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It is a fact that android is great for customization, and good for those that likes to take advantage of that. For the rest of us, who use tablets as a tool, rather than a hobbie, we want basic things to work without hacking. Backing up in-app data is a basic need in my opinion.
Another one is to prompt for a password everytime when buying paid apps in the market. It is just crazy to me that anyone can pick up your Tf and buy apps with the saved CC info. I don't think I am asking too much.
This phone is awesome as we know. But why did Samsung not make it possible to backup everything on the phone without the need to root before you can use an app like Titanium Backup? Surely backing up is a basic requirement of any phone? I was able to do nightly backups with spb backup on my touch diamond. Or am I missing something and there's a way to backup everything without being rooted?
you could use https://market.android.com/details?id=com.BackMaster
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There is no way to backup application data without root
everything else you can backup with kies or by syncing with google
That backup app looks quite good. But I wonder if it backs up memos I created.
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There is no way to backup application data without root
everything else you can backup with kies or by syncing with google
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I'm aware you're correct, but that's ridiculous on samsung's part, or maybe it's an android thing. The SGS2 is MILES ahead technologically than my HTC Diamond, yet you can't do something as simple as backup app data without rooting, where I could on the diamond. It's as though samsung suggests that you invalidate your warranty if you would like to backup your phone.
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I'm aware you're correct, but that's ridiculous on samsung's part, or maybe it's an android thing. The SGS2 is MILES ahead technologically than my HTC Diamond, yet you can't do something as simple as backup app data without rooting, where I could on the diamond. It's as though samsung suggests that you invalidate your warranty if you would like to backup your phone.
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It is an Android thing, and has absolutely nothing to do with Samsung. It's the same on all Android phones, and it's for a reason. If you didn't need root access to gain access to app data then all your sensitive information would be accessible to every single app you installed. Obviously, that wouldn't be good.
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It is an Android thing, and has absolutely nothing to do with Samsung. It's the same on all Android phones, and it's for a reason. If you didn't need root access to gain access to app data then all your sensitive information would be accessible to every single app you installed. Obviously, that wouldn't be good.
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That's not true
Apple's ios can backup application data without compromising your privacy
I did a factory reset before submitting my device to Samsung repair. But before doing it, to not have any trace of my online/offline data after reset I had to take care of ‘Factory Reset Protection’ (FRP) so that it won't ask to enter my email after reset. I removed the device security locks including fingerprints and also any Google account associated as said by 99% articles over internet (at least in my 30 mins of read thru of Google searches specifically for Samsung & also generally for android). Also had checked necessary options for all of my datas to be synced to Google. But in order to reinforce my knowledge about FRP and how it’s getting triggered I went thru some YouTube videos and articles specifically for Samsung & also generally for android prior to reset. And finally everything was good to go and ready for repair
Got my device after repair and did a reset again for Google to ask to restore my apps from previous backup of the same device. But it didn’t as you can see from the pic attached.
So what could be the reason you ask. When I removed the Google account (primary) for reset process, all the ‘App datas’ (thankfully not my contacts and other stuffs) were cleared from Google servers. Simply to say, the ‘Remove account’ option will tell Google that this device is no longer associated with this account and to delete all Android related datas associated and there is no way you can get this back.
So I don’t know whom to blame. The hundred’s of article over Internet about FRP (example: http://www.androidcentral.com/factory-reset-protection-what-you-need-know )
OR Samsung for not giving any information anywhere in internet or even in the Software (as warnings) [Their only website related to FRP is still down here in my country at least]. OR Google? For not giving any clear information regarding this action.
Anyway there is no use in crying over spilt milk. All I have to do now is manually install all my 83 apps one by one that were previously installed and who knows whether their respective datas can still be synced. There were even circumstances which most of us should have gone thru when the Google not showing yesterday app restore list but 1 week ago in the setup process.
Things like this can very well frustrate anyone if they are heaving depending on cloud. This is just one of the many little things(software, H/W dependent) in Android that may frustrate a user very much. NO WONDER WHY PEOPLE MOVE TO iOS. Because over customizability and all there are some stuffs that matters the most and iOS still excels in that. We geeks know that but it’s the freedom and exploration that makes us forget all those important stuffs.
For those of you gonna say “YOU SHOULD HAVE USED SMART SWITCH, ADB BACKUP, TITANIUM BACKUP OR SOMETHING ELSE” -- when something is meant to work it should work. I even had bad experiences with Titanium backup, could be device specific but whatever it is.
Welcoming all POSITIVE and NEGATIVE comments. LOL.
Running stock TouchWiz with the April patch. Tried a reset without removing Google account and it didn't ask for the mail ID to be entered for verification during setup process. So basically something have changed recently on how FRP works and whatever I've wriiten is what you have to take care of. regarding backup and all. Please share this thread with you friends. .
Will appreciate a thanks.
Thanks for sharing. Seems like a good warning for all of us.
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Sorry to hear of your difficulties. My own frustrations have been building with Android as well. It is ridiculous how much we have to eff around with hidden settings and tweaks to get decent battery life. I am keeping an eye on the iPhone 7 to be honest.
Though apple ecosystem has its own share of frustrations.
Thanks for the info. I too had experience of some backup apps not working as they intended to be. Even Titanium Backup had given me tension when new android version comes or sometimes for no reason. But my go to solution(even without root I believe) is always have been Tasker+AutoInput combo. When nothing works out I just program them both to install apps from PlayStore based on the app list I manually backed up with another app. That's it. Don't know whether that will cause any bad effect on device hardware. Does it?
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Sorry to hear of your difficulties. My own frustrations have been building with Android as well. It is ridiculous how much we have to eff around with hidden settings and tweaks to get decent battery life. I am keeping an eye on the iPhone 7 to be honest.
Though apple ecosystem has its own share of frustrations.
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I agree as i mentioned in OP. Sad to see Snapdragon 820 users struggle with battery life by removing un-wanted system packages. This even exists to an extent in my unlocked DUOS version. Google gotta have more control over Android. Hope with Android N this is not just gonna be with updates but also else where. Come on Google it's 2016.
OH gosh. This is an important piece of information. Somebody should link to this info by posting an article in xda-developer.com . Is there any way to reuquest?
Thanks BTW for a warning
Sheryl John said:
.Simply to say, the ‘Remove account’ option will tell Google that this device is no longer associated with this account and to delete all Android related datas associated and there is no way you can get this back
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1) Disable Internet connectivity (wifi, data)
2) Remove accounts, then
3) Factory reset
Google doesn't know that about the removal so app data is still in your account, yet the device no longer has any link to the Google account so it's safe against FRP.
That said, with multi devices (and household members sharing 1 common account as the base account), I don't back app data to Google at all. TiBu has its quirks but I've yet to lose anything with it. On the contrary, I probably have too much back up (who needs Gingerbread apps back ups??? yeah, I still have them LOL).
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1) Disable Internet connectivity (wifi, data)
2) Remove accounts, then
3) Factory reset
Google doesn't know that about the removal so app data is still in your account, yet the device no longer has any link to the Google account so it's safe against FRP.
That said, with multi devices (and household members sharing 1 common account as the base account), I don't back app data to Google at all. TiBu has its quirks but I've yet to lose anything with it. On the contrary, I probably have too much back up (who needs Gingerbread apps back ups??? yeah, I still have them LOL).
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That's the only way it seems for hard reset. But as I mentioned in my OP there is no need of removing the Google account for soft reset. FRP won't be triggered.
For almost as long as I've been using Android devices (going back to my old Nexus One), I've been reading rave review about TitaniumBackup. I've given it a shot on a few occassions, and I've never been able to get it do anything useful, largely because I was never willing to invest the time to understand the user interface.
I'm now faced with the task of upgrading my daughter's Nexus 10 from the last stock OS release to LineageOS, while preserving her apps, data, settings, etc. I thought that my biggest obstacle would be the locked bootloader (and the automatic data wipe when unlocking it). Fortunately, I was able to root the device with KingoRoot and install TWRP. At this point, I figures that I should be able to use TitaniumBackup to migrate her apps, assuming that I was willing to fight through the UI issues.
Boy was I wrong!
I've now spent the better part of a week trying to get this working. After (sort of) figuring out how to use USB storage, determining that the "create update.zip" function doesn't work at all, and finally, FINALLY, managing to actually restore an app, I find that it hasn't copied any of my daughter's data; all apps behave as if they're newly installed.
What at waste of time and money!
I'm sorry to hear about your experience.
I was a regular user of titanium Backup during the days I spent with changing roms regularly.
I've never used the update.zip feature myself, so I can't say anything about it, however I've never had issues with the app.
The essential workflow is to make a backup and then a restore when on a new rom, both the backup and restore may be done on individual apps or as a batch job for multiple apps.
When you r restored the app, did you select "app only" or "app +data"?
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When you r restored the app, did you select "app only" or "app +data"?
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App+data
The issue seems to be that it simply doesn't understand restricted profiles, which is pretty darn sad in 2017.
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App+data
The issue seems to be that it simply doesn't understand restricted profiles, which is pretty darn sad in 2017.
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I assume with profile you refer to the mulitiple accounts feature built in android.
I have to say, I have never need to use multiple accounts on my devices, and as such am unfamiliar with them.
Using the Janus vulnerability, you can swap out the classes.dex from apps without tripping the Android security features. This works up until the November patch versions on the KEYone.
You can use this to swap the classes.dex of system apps, e.g. the Updater, and make it do whatever you want (with system rights). Just decompile the Updater APK, make your modifications, compile it back and attach the modified classes.dex to the original APK (downloaded from your device). Then "update" the app via adb / pm.
Any progress?
Actually this sounds not that bad, this would be a "key feature" when buying an Android phone, no root is an absolute no-go for me.
On the other hand I really would like to get hands on a KeyOne, not as "daily driver" (I still love my Q10 and I have a second as backup), but in addition. Why I want to have "root"? Just simply to be able to make full, local backups from the phone and because I want to decide, which software is running or even installed on my device!
BTW: Are there older and current ROMs for the KeyOne to be downloaded somewhere?
Thanks a lot, regards,
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Actually this sounds not that bad, this would be a "key feature" when buying an Android phone, no root is an absolute no-go for me.
On the other hand I really would like to get hands on a KeyOne, not as "daily driver" (I still love my Q10 and I have a second as backup), but in addition. Why I want to have "root"? Just simply to be able to make full, local backups from the phone and because I want to decide, which software is running or even installed on my device!
BTW: Are there older and current ROMs for the KeyOne to be downloaded somewhere?
Thanks a lot, regards,
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I feel the backup pain, however - the difference between data backup (easy) versus full system backup - really is it necessary? Or just a "want to" item? (you have to answer that one for yourself...)
AFA the ROMS list, there is a good write up over on Crackberry about that:
CB-how-upgrade-downgrade-keyone-beginners
NOTE: there are many (!) variants of the KEYone - and so many variants of what's out there. NONE allow root. That goes against the very thought of being "secure" - but heck, your Q10 doesn't really give you root access - all you can do is use the leaked versions of whatever BB10 is floating around. - I was an early user of BB10, and just got my KEYone because my Passport went sideways... so yeah, I get it. I also know that, so far, other than the want to, I haven't seen much need in actually rooting it (unlike the Huawei that I carried for the better part of a year)
YMMV.
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I feel the backup pain, however - the difference between data backup (easy) versus full system backup - really is it necessary? Or just a "want to" item? (you have to answer that one for yourself...)
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for me I can say, that mostly the possibility to make real full system backups and to create a backup of every app with Titanium is the most important reason, getting full root access. For me, that is mandatory!
NOTE: there are many (!) variants of the KEYone - and so many variants of what's out there. NONE allow root. That goes against the very thought of being "secure" -
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I know, the my hope was, getting a sudo installed, when a bug in Android would make this possible. Anyway I will not get a KEYone, because I do no like the device very much, mostly I do not like the current keyboard, nor the rounded screen.
but heck, your Q10 doesn't really give you root access - all you can do is use the leaked versions of whatever BB10 is floating around.
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You are absolutely correct, BB10 means no root and mostly no backup of internal data, like SMS or app-data that do not support any backup from within the app.
I do not like this and I don't want this again with my next device. But right now, I didn't found an successor for my Q10. It's currently just the perfect device for me.
Maybe the "KEYtwo" will be a more interesting device, at least the keyboard should be much better, it seems to be similar to one in my Q10. But again, no root access available ...