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I'm not sure if its just me, but how many people have seen and tried out the new market? It looks A LOT like windows phone 7s UI. With all of the lawsuits being filed lately, does anyone see microsoft going after google?
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nbunn said:
I'm not sure if its just me, but how many people have seen and tried out the new market? It looks A LOT like windows phone 7s UI. With all of the lawsuits being filed lately, does anyone see microsoft going after google?
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Who knows. Corporate lawsuits are always on going and will always be something excepted. Most of the time they are used as a way of stopping your competitors or at least trying to compete against you. Really not very legitimate. Apple is a prime example. They steal from others, like Microsoft has done for many yrs and start legal action. I can't make this stuff up, research it.

mikerowes69 said:
Who knows. Corporate lawsuits are always on going and will always be something excepted. Most of the time they are used as a way of stopping your competitors or at least trying to compete against you. Really not very legitimate. Apple is a prime example. They steal from others, like Microsoft has done for many yrs and start legal action. I can't make this stuff up, research it.
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+1 Look at Apple, it seems like they are suing everyone in the smartphone and tablet market. I believe Samsung is one of their targets for phones being too similar to the iPhone. I had an iPhone and IMO the Epic pisses on that thing anyway. No wonder Apple is mad lol.

Pete720 said:
+1 Look at Apple, it seems like they are suing everyone in the smartphone and tablet market. I believe Samsung is one of their targets for phones being too similar to the iPhone. I had an iPhone and IMO the Epic pisses on that thing anyway. No wonder Apple is mad lol.
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Everyone is suing everyone because the ****ty US patent system allows it. The US patent system needs a complete overhaul.

Dulanic said:
Everyone is suing everyone because the ****ty US patent system allows it. The US patent system needs a complete overhaul.
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I like the system as the way it is. It keeps tons and tons of people employed and they make a lot of money. And no I am not a lawyer or patent holder. I am a pc deployment tech.
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havent tried it yet, but from screenshots I guess I can see why people would say that. So were going from xbox looking to winmo7 looking? I guess its a slight improvement... aside from aesthetics, does it navigate better? The thing I like about android is that it will probably change way before winmo does, just like TW will move on from its similarities to iOS way before iOS does... so who cares? As far as lawsuits, it does appear to just be corporate tactics, even if just to get a headline on engadget for a day, free advertising. I love apples one of wanting to see what samsung has coming in the future... looks like apple is developing something new, and this is how they do it!

All publicity is good publicity. "apple suing this" "apple suing that" "apple, apple, apple"
Drills it in your mind
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Microsoft is already making 5 dollars for every android device that is activated. Due to some patents they soaked up and now use it against Google.
Would hope they won't go after this too.

XtaC318 said:
Microsoft is already making 5 dollars for every android device that is activated. Due to some patents they soaked up and now use it against Google.
Would hope they won't go after this too.
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No they aren't
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muyoso said:
No they aren't
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This, not settled yet (patent purchases from nortel still need reviewed by trade commission and fcc), and...
Firstly, love the new market.
Second, good freaking luck if microsoft tried that. Remember, this just the market's new interface. The "look and feel" you're refering to is windows phone 7's entire homescreen UI. Apples to oranges
On a side note; this is exactly why I think that a lot of apple's suit against samsung I going to go down in flames. They're trying to compare iOS's homescreen UI to touchwiz's app drawer. This would make te other half of the suit, that the external hardware appearance of the device's look similar, also somewhat shaky. I have a hard time believing that a judge will buy the arguement that people are choosing one device over another because of the external aesthetics alone (if you go with my first theory that the UI part will be thrown out), considering there have certainly been other devices with a middle select button that were never taken to court.
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Pete720 said:
+1 Look at Apple, it seems like they are suing everyone in the smartphone and tablet market. I believe Samsung is one of their targets for phones being too similar to the iPhone. I had an iPhone and IMO the Epic pisses on that thing anyway. No wonder Apple is mad lol.
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Apple thinks that they invented electronic devices. They have some pretty wild claims. Glad they don't make cars.....could you imagine that mess? They'd be claiming they invented the wheel, anything with 4 wheels is just copying them. They'd be trying to trademark items like "Sports Car", or "Coupe", and "Windshield Wiper".
They need to be slapped down with common sense approaches in the legal system.

They can't Sue Samsung because Samsung had a phone that looked similar to iPhone before it came out look it up
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Wizard Knight said:
All publicity is good publicity. "apple suing this" "apple suing that" "apple, apple, apple"
Drills it in your mind
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Good post, this is actually pretty spot on in my opinion. All these apple lawsuits accomplish 2 objectives for Apple as far as I can see.
1) Gets Apples name out in the tech blogs/sites regularly and gets the publicity.
2) Makes software and hardware manufacturers spend more time dealing with public/court/etc. After all, time is money.

muyoso said:
No they aren't
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Yeah they are.
From cellblock D

Indeed I used to admire Apple a few years ago but now I find them distasteful due to their haughty attitude. It isn't like that they invented the entire world.
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Zor Omega said:
Yeah they are.
From cellblock D
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No they aren't. Leave statements of fact to people who know what they are talking about.
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As Apple said, its about the "Ecosystem" they don't have to be right...they just have to point fingers....
It kinda works like this, if you keep claiming a person is a "murderer" and spread the word around, people somewhere deep down will partly believe it. Negative news travels faster then positive news. So the general public will gain the impression that everyone is "Stealing" or "Copying" Apple regardless of whether its true or not...

Jasonhunterx said:
They can't Sue Samsung because Samsung had a phone that looked similar to iPhone before it came out look it up
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Which phone is this? But I think the problem is that most likely Samsung didn't actually patent the design of their phone. Thats what Apple does. They patent everything in the broken patent system, especially generic non-tangible things like the rough layout of their UI. They even go as far as to trademark the "highway 280" logo for their IOS maps app. Then they go off and sue everyone that relatively may somewhat be sorta kinda similar to them. All this instead of simply making a new and more innovative product. Hey if you can't beat em, litigate em.
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I don't see the resemblence to WinPhone 7. I'm not seeing any two tones, overly huge fonts and cut off words in this interface.

CapsLockKey said:
I don't see the resemblence to WinPhone 7. I'm not seeing any two tones, overly huge fonts and cut off words in this interface.
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Haven't you heard? Microsoft invented square boxes...

What do think about this?

Google aquiring Motorola Mobility.
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/08/supercharging-android-google-to-acquire.html?m=1
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Sounds like google is finally gonna get some type of protection from that cry baby *teve $obs, i mean he can only have some many lawsuites before people start getting tired of his failed attempts to keep iPhone on top
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I like the name Motoroogle (from an article i read on Extreme Tech) Has a nice ring too it. Lol

This is great! We now know who is bringing the next nexus phone! and they will probably be doing it for a long time. This was probably the best company to merge with

notsointeresting said:
This is great! We now know who is bringing the next nexus phone! and they will probably be doing it for a long time. This was probably the best company to merge with
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Yeah i agree,and if they stay sensitive to allowing us control of our phones then when Htc or other partners get outta line Motoroogle will tell'm shape up or no more for you.

notsointeresting said:
This is great! We now know who is bringing the next nexus phone! and they will probably be doing it for a long time. This was probably the best company to merge with
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Do we? Don't most of the rumors still strongly point to Samsung?
Personally I dig it only because I like Google and want to see them armed with an arsenal of patents so that Android won't be killed by patent trolls. Never had a Moto phone myself but I haven't heard great things. Aren't they known for having crappy, break apart build quality?
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jesusice said:
Do we? Don't most of the rumors still strongly point to Samsung?
Personally I dig it only because I like Google and want to see them armed with an arsenal of patents so that Android won't be killed by patent trolls. Never had a Moto phone myself but I haven't heard great things. Aren't they known for having crappy, break apart build quality?
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yeah its still up in the air to who the next nexus phone is going too.

Well I will probably get flack for this, but here goes. Before you get all happy about this aquisition by Google. Remember who Motorola has been in bed with for the better part of their phone "Greatness" , Verizon . The original we're going to throttle your data, you better not be tethering (even though your paying for unlimited) , if we can't charge you for it you can't do it, we're going to control everything you do on your phone carrier. So even though it's Google new company, the employees are still the old regime. With the old habits, especially the Executives. I'll always remember a quote from one of Verizon's press releases stating " the Companies bottom line is always the most important aspect in considerations involving customers" . I understand this true for any company. But to say it in a press release like that says a lot about how they perceive their customer base. Yes, I understand this is only my opinon

No flack here,you make avalid point
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Google should have bought HTC.

VICODAN said:
Google should have bought HTC.
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Yeah but do they have the patent portfolio tomake themselves as attractive? Hardware would have been superior.
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VICODAN said:
Google should have bought HTC.
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Couldn't agree more. I was just thinking that when I read about it our newspaper this morning.
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peanjr said:
Couldn't agree more. I was just thinking that when I read about it our newspaper this morning.
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Wouldn't make sense. HTC makes great phones but do not have the large patent portfolio that Moto has built up over many years in the mobile industry.
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i live in seattle and googles from redmond, theyve been on the news about this quite a bit and theyve even said themselves they just wanted the patent portfolio to help in defending android and the developers against apple, microsoft and the rest of the other bull**** patent trolls.

I see where this will certainly help Google, and Motorola, with regards to patent lawsuits. But how will this help Samsung, and HTC? Is Google going to step in, and say "Get out of here, patent troll....check this out....PWNT!!!"

tokuzumi said:
I see where this will certainly help Google, and Motorola, with regards to patent lawsuits. But how will this help Samsung, and HTC? Is Google going to step in, and say "Get out of here, patent troll....check this out....PWNT!!!"
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I'd imagine that since these patents are typically incredibly vague such as "scrolling menus" that if Apple sues HTC or Samsung over infringing on one of their vaguely worded patents then Google could jump in and brandish one of their equally vague patents and say that Google actually has the patent for it, not Apple.
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just so yall know i didnt see a splash screen for this new motoroogle or googlerola or whatever you want lol (it has only been a day) so i decided to make one. I posted it on im.nick.hellos new thread for splash screens along with some others i made.
I just have to wait for him to convert them into splash img format and a flashable.
SO GO CHECK IT OUT
BTW: I hope im not hijacking the thread. I dont think i am because it is technically about the thread in a way. but if i am please set me straight!
Edit: In regards to the post above there is no real reason to buy HTC
1)they are doing great on there own
2) HTC would not give up sense and google would not want sense
3) HTC would be like 3X the amount that Motorola was
4)Motorola already had made the commitment to android and that was its sole operating system unlike HTC where they make phones for WP7 and Android.
4) Motorolas patent portfolio is much bigger
5) Motorolas not getting sued lol
Just my 2 cents theres probably other reasons too

Google did it for the Patents

I heard its to help cover their a$$ with apple lawsuits
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You know it is,to go from having 317 patents to over 17,000 sure change the game. Literally from defense to offense,see if they give apple some of their own medicine .
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HA!

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/samsung-seeks-iphone-4s-sales-ban-in-france-italy-2011-10-05
Let's hope it's upheld and spreads.
Edit: And develops into Apple paying royalties to Samsung to offset their Microsoft royalties.

I wish they would just come to a patent sharing agreement and quit suing each other. We're paying for all the lawyer fees every time we buy a new phone!

poit said:
I wish they would just come to a patent sharing agreement and quit suing each other. We're paying for all the lawyer fees every time we buy a new phone!
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Everyone but apple would be happy with that. Apples motto is "if you can't beat them with technology, sue em!
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shane6374 said:
Everyone but apple would be happy with that. Apples motto is "if you can't beat them with technology, sue em!
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To be fair, Microsoft forced them into that mindset in the 80's.

I looked to see if it was another 'Steve Jobs is dead' thread. Do I feel like an ass? Or am I disappointed? Hmm.

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[Q] Any chance Apple may go after the Nexus 7?

Now that Apple has got an injunction to stop the sale of the Galaxy Nexus, do you guys think they may go after the Nexus 7? Or is it more of an issue with Samsung?

You can never tell who Apple might go after next, but i think google would've covered themselves from all angles. It ****ty even thinking about it, patent wars are killing the tech industry and innovation.
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Big_Den said:
You can never tell who Apple might go after next, but i think google would've covered themselves from all angles. It ****ty even thinking about it, patent wars are killing the tech industry and innovation.
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Now that Jobs is gone the world could do without Apple

The Apple business model has replaced innovation with litigation, so they might sue anyone for anything.
I especially like the cartoon showing that, from the right angle, an IPad looks a lot like a refrigerator. Based on that, they got an injunction against selling refrigerators.

... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1743042
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Yes they will. Both legally (cause they're apple) and with a 7in iPad.

Nospin said:
Yes they will. Both legally (cause they're apple) and with a 7in iPad.
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If apple realeases a 7inch perhaps then Google will go and sue them.

jonnyg1097 said:
If apple realeases a 7inch perhaps then Google will go and sue them.
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Annoying thing is, google arent that type of company and dont actually copyright loads of their stuff anyway. Apple will make a tablet after google then claim google copied them and sue google. Because thats how they understand things...

I think no
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jonnyg1097 said:
If apple realeases a 7inch perhaps then Google will go and sue them.
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didnt steve jobs state that no one wants a seven inch tablet

BrianDigital said:
didnt steve jobs state that no one wants a seven inch tablet
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Well, Tim Cook isn't Steve Jobs. Rumors have been swirling that prototypes were being produced, success of the Nook, Kindle, and Nexus will pressure Apple to make a competitor.

BrianDigital said:
didnt steve jobs state that no one wants a seven inch tablet
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He also said that no one would want to watch videos on an ipod.

It's up in the air. Especially if the GN lawsuit succeeds, there's no reason they wouldn't use the same patents to get rid of the Nexus 7. If it seems like an open-and-shut case, Apple has more incentive to pull the trigger.
Reasons they might not: I haven't seen Apple suing Asus yet, either because of lack of popularity or because Asus has a large enough defense portfolio. If the former, it could quickly happen. I don't personally have much confidence in the latter.

I just hope I receive my N7 before Apple stops them. I'm sure they will try.

mr mystery said:
Now that Jobs is gone the world could do without Apple
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They want to keep his "vision" alive...
What a shame. All the money in the world and all the legal shenanigans can't bring Steve Jobs back from the dead.
The vindictive SOB can't go "thermonuclear on Android" - his words, not mine.

Questions go in the Q&A section

Why has the GNexus been banned? Which patent did it infringe?
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KindaUndisputed said:
Why has the GNexus been banned? Which patent did it infringe?
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One of them was "Slide to Unlock". You know, the thing we have been doing with deadbolts for 200 years.

Nospin said:
One of them was "Slide to Unlock". You know, the thing we have been doing with deadbolts for 200 years.
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Its quite pathetic
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They'll probably go after google trying to say the new Google Search is too much like Siri. Even tho we all know it's nothing like Siri or IOS.

Galaxy Nexus & TAB Ban Judge Petition

These articles should fill you in if your not up to date.
http://www.phonedog.com/2012/07/03/...stay-galaxy-nexus-injunction-denied-by-judge/
http://www.phonedog.com/2012/07/02/...tc-denies-apple-emergency-ban-on-htc-devices/
Petition to impeach judge.....
http://www.change.org/petitions/voters-impeach-us-district-judge-lucy-koh
nuff said

nice.. all three links are broken. first two just gave 404

Should be fixed
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Yeah, internet petition. That'll fix it! LOL.
Impeach? Bwahahahaha. Jesus. Its a tablet, not your civil rights.
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To impeach is just too far.

Impeachment? You can't be serious. She is a ****ed up judge, but she's not THAT ****ed up.

GazaIan said:
Impeachment? You can't be serious. She is a ****ed up judge, but she's not THAT ****ed up.
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I bet you don't believe in global warming either. Truth be told, our entire court system is that messed up. Justice is available to the highest bidder and right now, that's Apple. You remember Apple- the company that promised the Beatles (Apple Records) that they would NEVER get into the music industry? Yeah, that Apple.
Well, if you really think this is an injustice and want to do something about it, vote with your wallet. Vote often, vote consistently, and tell all your friends. If you like having attorneys decide what you can buy and how much you will pay for it, then keep buying your iPhones, iPads, and all that other iSh%t. OTOH, if you think that Apple has abused the worlds courts, and is spending way too much time shopping around the world for a favorable court, then do everything possible in your little corner of the world to lessen Apples grip. It has to be done from the grass roots my friends, you do not have the budget to take on the Army Of Job's Minions on their own turf.
That is my story, and I'm stickin' to it.

This only works with bible thumpers in Iowa and gay marriage, not geeks and gadgets.

Your story is bizarre. You're taking fanboyism to an extreme. I already bought my Galaxy Nexus as a middle finger to all haters (and plus you'd be stupid to refuse $349 for an awesome phone).

bbeelzebub said:
This only works with bible thumpers in Iowa and gay marriage, not geeks and gadgets.
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Because the geeks are not as smart? Or is it that geeks don't have a social conscience?
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Because the geeks are not as smart? Or is it that geeks don't have a social conscience?
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Because the geeks aren't pathetic enough to pull out the Grimm Fairytales and say Snow White and Jeeebus say something else about patent law.

"I did not have sex with that tablet"
Impeach what... silly thread