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So I was reading a news article that said that t-mobile would be doubling the speed of hspa+ every year(or was it every two years?) Would the boost allow us to get faster speeds(past 14mb) or just help the phone get to 14mb like what hspa+ does for non hspa+ phones example being the vibrant getting speeds close to hspa 7.2?
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You won't see the G2 benefit that much since the hardware only supports up to 14 mbps. You may see the latency drop though with T-Mobile increasing the speeds of their network.
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It would allow us to utilize the full potential of the current max speed but unless the chip we have supports faster than 21.1Mbps or hspa++ then that's the best we could get and would need to upgrade to a different phone to go any faster. 21.1 Mbps is by no means slow though, so I wouldn't see a need to go faster other than simply because we can. That's just over 2.6 MBps by the way and the average cable internet is 15-25Mbps (1.875 - 3.125MBps), plenty fast for most of us.
By the way, it's 21.1 for 4G according to T Mobile, 14Mbps is *just* fast 3G which I was able to get on my slide, though I never saw those speeds. UMTS is 3G, HSPA is fast 3G and HSPA+ is 4G. Or that's how I've always understood it.

Yup our network, the way the cores are built are actually capable of (theoretical) speeds of over 100mbps I don't think we will ever push it that far, but as soon as we can support the output it will be updated. However most phones can only support up to 14 mbps so the next update will be the only one that matters for a while. I'm sure as you know we will try to expand the curent 4g network as much as we can befor we will up the juice. In the next upcoming year you will see a new line of phones come out with some pretty impressive stats to go along with the update.
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KCRic said:
It would allow us to utilize the full potential of the current max speed but unless the chip we have supports faster than 21.1Mbps or hspa++ then that's the best we could get and would need to upgrade to a different phone to go any faster. 21.1 Mbps is by no means slow though, so I wouldn't see a need to go faster other than simply because we can. That's just over 2.6 MBps by the way and the average cable internet is 15-25Mbps (1.875 - 3.125MBps), plenty fast for most of us.
By the way, it's 21.1 for 4G according to T Mobile, 14Mbps is *just* fast 3G which I was able to get on my slide, though I never saw those speeds. UMTS is 3G, HSPA is fast 3G and HSPA+ is 4G. Or that's how I've always understood it.
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HSPA+ is still 3G.

zorxd said:
HSPA+ is still 3G.
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HSPA+ is most definitely 4G. Are you living in a box? Stop feeding into hype and do some research. HSPA+ is just as 4G as WiMAX and LTE.
http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/press_releases/2010/48.aspx

zorxd said:
HSPA+ is still 3G.
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Sure, according to the 4G standards released a short while back - no phone carrier even comes close to 4G and won't for a very long time. 100Mbps is just insane, that's 12.5 MBps which far exceeds any persons needs on a cell phone and even for home/business usage. Maybe if you're trying to run a data center from your G2 it would be useful.
From a marketing standpoint, 21.1 is 4G - it's the next step up (and the fastest). After that is HSPA++ at 48Mbps, still not even close to the PC 4G definition but what do we care - it's fast as hell!

True either way were still getting faster speeds! I think I'm gonna stick to my g2 for awhile then. My speeds are already fast and constant.
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omarsalmin said:
HSPA+ is most definitely 4G. Are you living in a box? Stop feeding into hype and do some research. HSPA+ is just as 4G as WiMAX and LTE.
http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/press_releases/2010/48.aspx
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Technically hspa is not real 4g, but what people really care about from 4g is speed, hspa is proven as fast and in the majority of tests prove it to be faster than any current 4g network so I'm not sure why people have the need to point this out. Some people just need to nit pick everything. And yes 100 mbps isn't realistic for phones however for some applications like web connect sticks or new devices like galaxy tabs online gaming from everywhere will be a real posibilty. 100 mbps would be peak real average speeds would be more like 60 mbps still crazy fast. All in all don't expect anything like this anytime soon.
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What speeds do you guys get in your city? Ive never seen anyone close to 14mbps. I get about 3-4mbps in houston.

I live in saginaw,texas 5 miles away from downtown fort worth. I average around 5-6 mbs normally. I get great signal as the tower is down the road from me. My phone recently just got the hspa+( my phone had a bug that would only allow it to connect to 3g). And I was getting 2mb and down. Is your phone rooted with sense by any chance?
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omarsalmin said:
HSPA+ is most definitely 4G. Are you living in a box? Stop feeding into hype and do some research. HSPA+ is just as 4G as WiMAX and LTE.
http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/press_releases/2010/48.aspx
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Sorry, HSPA+ is most definitely not 4G. It's no more 4G than EDGE was 3G. It's still using 3G technology.
In that press release, LTE-Advanced is proper 4G, as it refers to. I can't see anything there saying that HSPA+ is 4G.
Edit - ok, I take all that back. Looks like the ITU have done a U-turn and decided that because so many companies started calling HSPA+ 4G, to make that a legal definition. Sounds bizarre to me :facepalm:
http://www.intomobile.com/2010/12/18/itu-reverses-its-decision-lte-wimax-and-hspa-are-now-4g/

steviewevie said:
Sorry, HSPA+ is most definitely not 4G. It's no more 4G than EDGE was 3G. It's still using 3G technology.
In that press release, LTE-Advanced is proper 4G, as it refers to. I can't see anything there saying that HSPA+ is 4G.
Edit - ok, I take all that back. Looks like the ITU have done a U-turn and decided that because so many companies started calling HSPA+ 4G, to make that a legal definition. Sounds bizarre to me :facepalm:
http://www.intomobile.com/2010/12/18/itu-reverses-its-decision-lte-wimax-and-hspa-are-now-4g/
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Hehe that's why I gave my source so I didn't sound like a *complete* idiot

It used to be that 4g was 100mbps but the itu downgraded the classification so now technically vzw lte, sprint wimax, and tmob hspa+ can all be classified as 4g. With that said, most tmob customers are still seeing threshold speeds of like 3 or 4 mbps and at most 6 or 7mbps. Vzw lte speeds under ideal conditions aren't much better - maybe 12 - 14mbps from what I have heard (but prob more widespread and no 2mbps speeds being billed as 4g). I believe under ideal conditions and current tech, wimax produces the fastest real world speeds but vzw and tmob should be catching up soon.
However, with an hspa+ capable radio the g2 (if you hang onto it for another year or two) should see full hspa+ speeds and I guess its technically capable of anything that radio spectrum can push out with firmware/radio software updates.
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lol @ people who didn't realize ITU updated their definition of 4G - I actually think that the 3GPP considers EDGE to be a "3G technology" in some regards - don't ask.
Regardless, in 2011 TMO is going to be rolling out HSPA+ 42 - that should merit a speed increase slightly on HSPA+ enabled devices and most certainly a latency drop.

tvdang7 said:
What speeds do you guys get in your city? Ive never seen anyone close to 14mbps. I get about 3-4mbps in houston.
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check my sig below

TheMan42 said:
lol @ people who didn't realize ITU updated their definition of 4G - I actually think that the 3GPP considers EDGE to be a "3G technology" in some regards - don't ask.
Regardless, in 2011 TMO is going to be rolling out HSPA+ 42 - that should merit a speed increase slightly on HSPA+ enabled devices and most certainly a latency drop.
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yupp.. then after HSPA+ (21, 42, 84, 168 mbps) is LTHE (Long Term HSPA Evolution [336-672mbps])
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/12/forget-hspa-and-lte-lthe-is-the-way-to-go/
http://www.nokiasiemensnetworks.com...HSPA_evolution_white_paper_low_res_141220.pdf
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J-Hop2o6 said:
check my sig below
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holy **** nice.

tvdang7 said:
holy **** nice.
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Yeah T-Mo in the Seattle area is the ish. My sig is at my house with only 3 bars of reception...

The terms "3G" and "4G" are worthless. All that really matters is what the actually speed of the network is. It is ridiculous to argue over what is or what isn't 4G.

The truth about WIMAX/clear?

Im letting you know ahead of time that this is a random rant. So I have been wondering what's the real deal holyfield with sprints so called wimax. I read somewhere that wimax really isn't TRUE 4g as it doesn't even max out at true 4g speeds. The most I've hit was about 5mbps. So is it really even 4g? And tmobile hspa + network is that faster that our wimax? My sister comes to my apt in my 4g area and her g2 gets about 6 mbps with her hspa. Why does it seem like gsm has way better data. We all know sprints 3g isn't really 3g its piss poor. If this LTE is supposed to beat out wimax why did sprint roll with it over LTE. I'm thinking sprint wanted to get a **** ton of subscribers so they just went with wimax cause it would roll out way before LTE but I definitely don't think wimax/clear is true 4g. I also heard the clear ceo jumped ship or something lol. If the national standard is supposedly going LTE what would sprint/clear do, will they adopt new technologied in their phones and leave wimax phones out to dry? So the real 4g is LTE and wimax just seems like it should be labeled pre4g, cause I hear LTE will be able to get 10mbps down and 3-5mbps up. That's stronger than most peoples internet eh? I am kind of pissed for paying an extra 10 bucks for 5mbps in a strong area and in my area my 4g hits only about 2. Is sprint going to be the only provider using wimax? The moral of this pointless rant is just to get my knowledge and others about the future/truth of wimax. I just want to understand how this service compares to this new LTE and tmobiles and atts new 4g network. It would be nice just to come in and drop comments on any question asked in this post instead of flame me, or post non sense.

A small search woudl have answered all questions....
First, nobody has a "true" 4G network as no 4G network reaches 100mbps yet. Another thing, Sprint is working on a WiMax/LTE hybrid network, or so it goes. Speed depends where you live. I hit 10mbps easily here in Orlando, some people can't hit above 1. Some goes for ANY network on earth.

DirtyShroomz said:
A small search woudl have answered all questions....
First, nobody has a "true" 4G network as no 4G network reaches 100mbps yet. Another thing, Sprint is working on a WiMax/LTE hybrid network, or so it goes. Speed depends where you live. I hit 10mbps easily here in Orlando, some people can't hit above 1. Some goes for ANY network on earth.
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10mbps? Wtf you gotta be ****tin me man
But thanks for your input bro

Get an iPhone on Verizon. That will solve ALL your issues.
PS. I've hit 12mbit on Sprint's "4G".

Vivix729 said:
Get an iPhone on Verizon. That will solve ALL your issues.
PS. I've hit 12mbit on Sprint's "4G".
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Nah I'm pretty happy with my evo I got it late, xmas to be exact but hands down best phone I've ever owned. Just disappointed with sprints 3g because you would expect it to perform but it doesn't. Way to rub in your 12mbps against my 2 lol

I got almost 12 as you can see in my signature.

I hit 9-10 all the time in Houston. Hell I get 1-2 on 3g. And you can bet Verizon will charge for lte.

funny you should mention that gsm is always faster than sprint cdma. i was in denton tx last night for an interview and compared my evo on 3g(running gingerbread with no wimax) and i got 1566 kb down compared to his 447 kb down. denton is a college town but not exactly small. i usually get 2-5 mbps down on 4g but havent tested it lately as i am doin the gb thing

I don't mind... if Sprint goes under because of this failed investment, we'll be able to jump ship without ETFs anyways... no worries. ;P

i get 2-3 on 4g in orlando area it sucks my 3g is 1 m

Nefariouss said:
I hit 9-10 all the time in Houston. Hell I get 1-2 on 3g. And you can bet Verizon will charge for lte.
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How the hell you get 9-10 in Houston I live in Houston. When I lived in pearland I could barely get 1 mbps, now I moved to the woodlands area and barely get 3.

akarol said:
I don't mind... if Sprint goes under because of this failed investment, we'll be able to jump ship without ETFs anyways... no worries. ;P
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That couldn't happen....could it?

tangstang said:
funny you should mention that gsm is always faster than sprint cdma. i was in denton tx last night for an interview and compared my evo on 3g(running gingerbread with no wimax) and i got 1566 kb down compared to his 447 kb down. denton is a college town but not exactly small. i usually get 2-5 mbps down on 4g but havent tested it lately as i am doin the gb thing
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Yeah I know Denton I took a visit to meet this chick at Texas women college one time I drove all the way from Houston and she was on her rag. Ill never forget Denton. Imagine how my weekend went. Never again lmfao

i live in Miami and the 3G is decent as far as comparing it with that pos "3G" t-mobile used to give me. with tmo i was lucky to get 600kbps. with sprint i get 600-1600 average on 3G, and 2400-5600 average on 4G. and peak 4G speedtest is on my signature lol

I live in Houston and on 4g I get around 8-9.
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sounds intresting
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/09/wsj-clearwire-moving-away-from-retail-will-concentrate-on-netw/

djnarcotics said:
sounds intresting
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/09/wsj-clearwire-moving-away-from-retail-will-concentrate-on-netw/
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Nice, this is good news

Here in the south of Puerto Rico we have decent speeds
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maybe because there's not alot of people connected to these antennas

You guys all seem to be getting pretty good speeds. Me on the other hand I rely on 3g I might get 1 mbps on a good day and I'm happy.

The server you use on speedtest makes a huge difference as well, try to use one that has an internet backbone near it like Atlanta, DC or Chicago for the east coast. I get maybe 2 or 3mbps on speedtest with a server that is not 30 miles from here yet I get 8mbps on another that is almost 1000 miles away.
WiMAX and LTE are still considered pre-4G atm but it's an actual 4G network, all we need is a firmware update to have true 4G. at&t & t-mo on the other hand will Never have real 4G with HSPA+. btw, I get 8mbps in Orlando and on the east coast near there all the time using the atlanta and harold, ky servers, actual speeds during use vary though.

Sprint Xoom

For anyone wanting (or waiting) for a Sprint version of the Xoom, it looks like it's going to be a real thing.
http://www.bgr.com/2011/03/18/image-of-sprint-branded-motorola-xoom-surfaces-online/
It also appears that it will have the silver back.
While I would have probably preferred a Sprint Xoom, since Im already a Sprint customer, I'll be satisfied with the additional accessories that will probably be made available (if not by Sprint, then simply due to manufactures catering to a larger market).
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Yeah I was looking forward to the WIFI xoom.. I might hold off for now.

I'm actually glad I went ahead and got it with Verizon. Many times I have two totally different signal strengths on my phone and Xoom. Hopefully this means I will have better coverage at any given moment... plus Verizon's data is definitely faster than Sprint's in my area.
But yeah, please let's get some more accessories!

pekosROB said:
I'm actually glad I went ahead and got it with Verizon. Many times I have two totally different signal strengths on my phone and Xoom. Hopefully this means I will have better coverage at any given moment... plus Verizon's data is definitely faster than Sprint's in my area.
But yeah, please let's get some more accessories!
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I hadn’t really thought of it that way, but you raise an interesting capability. Armed with my Sprint Evo and a Verizon Xoom, you would then be able to pretty simply wirelessly tether one to the other… based upon whichever had the strongest network where you happen to be.

UGH. How much does it cost to add an additional device to sprint's unlimited plan, anyone remember? I'm still probably getting the wifi.

Sweet! I was already planning to return my Verizon Xoom today anyways, but now I know I can get one again when the Sprint one comes out.

awesome was planning on taking mine back to cosco to get the wifi version but now I will wait for the sprint version. I get a 25% discount on bill Wonder how much data plan will cost.

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I hadn’t really thought of it that way, but you raise an interesting capability. Armed with my Sprint Evo and a Verizon Xoom, you would then be able to pretty simply wirelessly tether one to the other… based upon whichever had the strongest network where you happen to be.
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I like your Sig

Well with the Sprint Galaxy Tab, you have 2 options:
2GB for 29.99 or
5GB for 59.99
And of course if this is a 4G device, they'll probably slap on the $10 Premium Data fee.

I have an evo as you can tell by my sig and I live in a 4G city (wimax and lte), first wimax sucks unless you are stationary. You can take 3 steps or just walk inside and lose signal. I'm definitely going to love having lte over wimax. This is just my opinion as I've tried wimax and lte here in my city, bring on this lte upgrade for my xoom
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It appears to be sporting a leather folio case. I wonder if it is a sprint accessory. Has anyone seen one like that in the wild yet?
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p-slim said:
I have an evo as you can tell by my sig and I live in a 4G city (wimax and lte), first wimax sucks unless you are stationary. You can take 3 steps or just walk inside and lose signal. I'm definitely going to love having lte over wimax. This is just my opinion as I've tried wimax and lte here in my city, bring on this lte upgrade for my xoom
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I agree. My City has full wimax coverage and unless you're outside and standing still you can't use it. Sprint really picked a loser with wimax.

xRepinsSporx said:
I like your Sig
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It was inspired by seeing yours

Bauxite said:
I agree. My City has full wimax coverage and unless you're outside and standing still you can't use it. Sprint really picked a loser with wimax.
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Have to agree. I had the Evo from release till January and the 4G is just not useful at all. I used it on 3G 99% of the time. I bought the Evo because my city was one of the main launch areas with "full 4G coverage". The problem was, if I was inside my apartment, I couldn't even get a single bar of 4G, no matter what the coverage map says (said I was in 100% strong 4G area). Even downtown I could get 1-2 bars inside, and maybe 3-4 outside. The problem is that the 4G speeds required me to be outside generally, and not moving because the service was so spotty I'd get choppy performance.
Not to mention that the 4G radio crushed my battery, and the speeds were mediocre. I got about 3mbps down/1mbps (capped) up. Not worth the drain for speeds only 1mbps more download vs. 3G speed.

martonikaj said:
Have to agree. I had the Evo from release till January and the 4G is just not useful at all. I used it on 3G 99% of the time. I bought the Evo because my city was one of the main launch areas with "full 4G coverage". The problem was, if I was inside my apartment, I couldn't even get a single bar of 4G, no matter what the coverage map says (said I was in 100% strong 4G area). Even downtown I could get 1-2 bars inside, and maybe 3-4 outside. The problem is that the 4G speeds required me to be outside generally, and not moving because the service was so spotty I'd get choppy performance.
Not to mention that the 4G radio crushed my battery, and the speeds were mediocre. I got about 3mbps down/1mbps (capped) up. Not worth the drain for speeds only 1mbps more download vs. 3G speed.
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The reason tht is because sprint borrows 4g wimax from clear
So they get the high frequency tht have a hard time pentrating material....clear uses low wimax so u get it good in 4g coverage area

famouz09 said:
The reason tht is because sprint borrows 4g wimax from clear
So they get the high frequency tht have a hard time pentrating material....clear uses low wimax so u get it good in 4g coverage area
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I understand this. I'm completely aware that the 2500mhz spectrum is terrible for building penetration.

martonikaj said:
I understand this. I'm completely aware that the 2500mhz spectrum is terrible for building penetration.
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And why 700mhz LTE with verizon will rock compared to the wimax Xoom

Bauxite said:
And why 700mhz LTE with verizon will rock compared to the wimax Xoom
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even side by side all spectrum aside the LTE is faster than WiMax anyways in real-world use.

Sprint better buy clearwire out...not looking good

http://phandroid.com/2011/04/14/analyst-sprint-must-buy-clearwire-or-move-on-without-them/
I agree I've had a 4g device for almost a year now with 4g not even driving distance away...I have to travel about a little over an hour, maybe a little more, to get 4g in the city, they got to do something or have a backup plan...I don't think the kyoceras working...

I though it was Sprint's plan to move on without them? I read an article a couple weeks ago that a bunch of Sprint execs had resigned from Clearwire's board. This was just before they announced (or at least rumors began) of moving to LTE.

Doesn't surprise me that Verizon will have their 4g reaching more customers in 1 year than we have now.. I love Sprint, but, they are behind at&t/verizon for a reason.
I have had an EVO since launch and only used 4g on a brief trip out of town. It now looks like I will be upgrading to another phone without ever really using 4g on my EVO. That's sad.

I guess people thought VZW was lying when they said they'd have their entire 3G network covered with LTE by 2013.

Same here. On a trip to pa I used in pa in a certain spot for about 5 minutes
Batman58 said:
Doesn't surprise me that Verizon will have their 4g reaching more customers in 1 year than we have now.. I love Sprint, but, they are behind at&t/verizon for a reason.
I have had an EVO since launch and only used 4g on a brief trip out of town. It now looks like I will be upgrading to another phone without ever really using 4g on my EVO. That's sad.
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its not that big of a deal
Clear has been having LTE tests in AZ and the wimax equipment as I understand it will be super easy to upgrade to LTE - then sprint releases the LTE devices and BOOM LTE is everywhere that WIMax Was..
http://www.clear.com/blog/size-matters/

sprint always tries to bring new tech first...
but always seem to fail in the follow through.

What spectrum was that phoenix testing done on? 2400mhz??
What speeds does Wimax have when there's only 1 user on it?
That video seems very promising considering how those speeds were faster than my Uverse.

slag02 said:
its not that big of a deal
Clear has been having LTE tests in AZ and the wimax equipment as I understand it will be super easy to upgrade to LTE - then sprint releases the LTE devices and BOOM LTE is everywhere that WIMax Was..
http://www.clear.com/blog/size-matters/
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That's part of the problem - there isn't much coverage and where there is coverage, quite frankly it sucks. I live in Houston and leave 4g off because the coverage is so spotty.

iitreatedii said:
http://phandroid.com/2011/04/14/analyst-sprint-must-buy-clearwire-or-move-on-without-them/
I agree I've had a 4g device for almost a year now with 4g not even driving distance away...I have to travel about a little over an hour, maybe a little more, to get 4g in the city, they got to do something or have a backup plan...I don't think the kyoceras working...
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What's up with you and the kyocera posts?
Sent from my spaceship!

Lol idk I just feel they had a good idea but it wasn't the right hardware to put out with it, you see my point, I will definitely give it a chance but my opinion is no as of right now, I'm just gonna have to wait

I would rather have the expanded backend like T-Mobile has, where a normal 3g phone will pull down 5mbps. 21 mbps down is nice but what would I need that bandwidth on a phone. Embedded in a laptop nice, used in the middle of the country where alot of.people don't even have internet access that would be amazing
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After Tmobiles new plan trotting after 2gb of use, I could care less about 4g as long as I'm not throttled. I could eat 2 gigs in a day if there's enough music to download.
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It is almost embarrassing how many people have not gotten to use their 4g on their Evo. I went to San Diego from Phoenix and I still wasn't even able to find any 4g connection. I've really enjoyed the rom experience with the Evo, but I was really looking forward to the 4g stuff.

Luckily bay area has 4g. It is amazing how just a few years ago dsl was screaming fast now my phone can blow it away.

I'll be another upgrading to an evo3d without ever really using 4g on my htc evo......4G!
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BrianDigital said:
I would rather have the expanded backend like T-Mobile has, where a normal 3g phone will pull down 5mbps. 21 mbps down is nice but what would I need that bandwidth on a phone. Embedded in a laptop nice, used in the middle of the country where alot of.people don't even have internet access that would be amazing
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I agree with this, in my area Sprint consistently pulls about 200-400 kbps down on 3G. A friend with VZW showed me his 3G speed test results - routinely around 1500-1700. If I had speeds like that, I wouldn't ever even want or need 4G.
I like Sprint, but man their 3G is very disappointing. During lunch hour on weekdays, I've seen it drop to nearly 50 kbps. It makes me yearn for the days of blazing fast dialup modems... :/

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I agree with this, in my area Sprint consistently pulls about 200-400 kbps down on 3G. A friend with VZW showed me his 3G speed test results - routinely around 1500-1700. If I had speeds like that, I wouldn't ever even want or need 4G.
I like Sprint, but man their 3G is very disappointing. During lunch hour on weekdays, I've seen it drop to nearly 50 kbps. It makes me yearn for the days of blazing fast dialup modems... :/
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This is what I used to say about T-Mobile where I live in Utah. I average what your friend is getting on Verizon with Sprint's 3G network here.
Speed test sitting at my desk at work right now (about my average 3G speeds, usually a little higher):
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And with a really weak 4G signal:
Further north 4G I can hit up to 6,000-7,000. Not that I ever use it.
EDIT: Interesting that the upload speeds were the same lol

ffolkes said:
I agree with this, in my area Sprint consistently pulls about 200-400 kbps down on 3G. A friend with VZW showed me his 3G speed test results - routinely around 1500-1700. If I had speeds like that, I wouldn't ever even want or need 4G.
I like Sprint, but man their 3G is very disappointing. During lunch hour on weekdays, I've seen it drop to nearly 50 kbps. It makes me yearn for the days of blazing fast dialup modems... :/
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Sprint in my area is fine. Holds around 1mpbs so not to bad. However Verizon in this area kinda sucks cause there is so many people on it. Two of my friends had to tether to me while tailgating just to get some.bets off
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They are saying they will have 4g in my area by the end of the year ... I will believe it when I see it lol

Sprints 3g network a model T

Found the comparison in the first sentence amusing that sprint would call their own network crap.http://shop2.sprint.com/en/shop/why_sprint/4g/4g_plan_details.html click on speeds.

xjayman said:
Found the comparison in the first sentence amusing that sprint would call their own network crap.http://shop2.sprint.com/en/shop/why_sprint/4g/4g_plan_details.html click on speeds.
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from link;
How much faster is 4G?
4G speeds are up to 10 times faster than 3G. That's like swapping out DSL for a high-speed cable modem. Or your Model T for a Maserati.
AVERAGE PEAK MONTHLY
DOWNLOAD SPEEDS DOWNLOAD SPEEDS DOWNLOAD LIMIT
4G 3 - 6 Mbps More than 10 Mbps All you can stream, browse, email, chat, watch and game while on our network.
3G 600 Kbps - 1.4 Mbps Up to 3.1 Mbps All you can stream, browse, email, chat, watch and game while on our network.2
Who is getting 600-1.4 on 3g? If that is a model T, am am riding in a horse drawn carriage.

Or they could be saying that their 3g network was a marvel in working class engineering that brought freedom and equality to the common man, turning an agrarian country into the marvel of the western world. And in the same sense, a revolutionary product that re-vitalized the industrialized world and made possible the advanced infrastructure we enjoy today...
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from link;
How much faster is 4G?
4G speeds are up to 10 times faster than 3G. That's like swapping out DSL for a high-speed cable modem. Or your Model T for a Maserati.
AVERAGE PEAK MONTHLY
DOWNLOAD SPEEDS DOWNLOAD SPEEDS DOWNLOAD LIMIT
4G 3 - 6 Mbps More than 10 Mbps All you can stream, browse, email, chat, watch and game while on our network.
3G 600 Kbps - 1.4 Mbps Up to 3.1 Mbps All you can stream, browse, email, chat, watch and game while on our network.2
Who is getting 600-1.4 on 3g? If that is a model T, am am riding in a horse drawn carriage.
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My 3g In philadelphia is crazy sucking into south jersey. I usually get 200-300 down and sometimes in rare occasions / weird places (my office on 19th floor) do I actually get over 600.
If I was not paying $50 a month I would drop sprint like a bad habit.

if you dont get results like this, you need to call and get an airave. 3g shouldnt be that slow. even 600k down is laughable to me. 1Mb minimum download or i am not a happy camper.
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austin420 said:
if you dont get results like this, you need to call and get an airave. 3g shouldnt be that slow. even 600k down is laughable to me. 1Mb minimum download or i am not a happy camper.
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Problem is that only works in your house....I could care less as I have FiOS and WiFi there.

Neckberg said:
from link;
How much faster is 4G?
4G speeds are up to 10 times faster than 3G. That's like swapping out DSL for a high-speed cable modem. Or your Model T for a Maserati.
AVERAGE PEAK MONTHLY
DOWNLOAD SPEEDS DOWNLOAD SPEEDS DOWNLOAD LIMIT
4G 3 - 6 Mbps More than 10 Mbps All you can stream, browse, email, chat, watch and game while on our network.
3G 600 Kbps - 1.4 Mbps Up to 3.1 Mbps All you can stream, browse, email, chat, watch and game while on our network.2
Who is getting 600-1.4 on 3g? If that is a model T, am am riding in a horse drawn carriage.
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I get between 600-1.4 on 3G I get 3-8 on 4G
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My wifi is pathetic I get 312kbps down so an airave is out of the question. I get slooooow 3g as well 80kbps. Also I don't have 4g anywhere.
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Who is getting 600-1.4 on 3g? If that is a model T, am am riding in a horse drawn carriage.[/QUOTE]
Now that's funny
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Lord-Anubis said:
Or they could be saying that their 3g network was a marvel in working class engineering that brought freedom and equality to the common man, turning an agrarian country into the marvel of the western world. And in the same sense, a revolutionary product that re-vitalized the industrialized world and made possible the advanced infrastructure we enjoy today...
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That's funny too
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austin420 said:
if you dont get results like this, you need to call and get an airave. 3g shouldnt be that slow. even 600k down is laughable to me. 1Mb minimum download or i am not a happy camper.
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Airrave? My wifi network has 3 times the coverage area as an airave not to mention being MUCH faster.

insanity213 said:
Airrave? My wifi network has 3 times the coverage area as an airave not to mention being MUCH faster.
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Yayaya I got it. I wasn't even thinking. My bad. Who's got kickass internet? I've got time warner 50 down 25 up, but I'm waiting for the google fiber gigabit lines to go live and I'm ****ing on it.
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For a little comparison, I canceled my Sprint plan and went on Tmobile's $50 month to month with only 100mb 4G speeds, which I maxed quick. It dropped down to EDGE speeds and that itself is faster and more stable than what I was getting with Sprint at 0.2 Mbs

xjayman said:
Found the comparison in the first sentence amusing that sprint would call their own network crap.http://shop2.sprint.com/en/shop/why_sprint/4g/4g_plan_details.html click on speeds.
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This is a common problem - logic that is riddled with fallacies (flaws, for the OP and any others who struggle with the correct meanings of words, lol)
While we can all agree that a Maserati is *faster* than a model T, nothing about their statement implies that a model T is crap - only that it is slow *relative* to a Maserati. I'm not saying that anyone would argue that a Maserati isn't fast, but their statement doesn't address the absolute speed of a Maserati, because the statement is simply a comparison.
You tried to add unstated information into what was written when it is not inherently correct, or in other words, you tried to put words in their mouths
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styles420 said:
This is a common problem - logic that is riddled with fallacies (flaws, for the OP and any others who struggle with the correct meanings of words, lol)
While we can all agree that a Maserati is *faster* than a model T, nothing about their statement implies that a model T is crap - only that it is slow *relative* to a Maserati. I'm not saying that anyone would argue that a Maserati isn't fast, but their statement doesn't address the absolute speed of a Maserati, because the statement is simply a comparison.
You tried to add unstated information into what was written when it is not inherently correct, or in other words, you tried to put words in their mouths
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There's plenty of comparisons they could have use against aMaserati that would make users not in 4g coverage feel better about what they've subscribed to. Hard for me to refer friends in Wisconsin to sprint using a model T as comparison to what their network speeds are going to be. Rebut that
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Today's Speed Test results: 0.14 - 0.23 mbps down, 1/2 that up. I broke 0.3"bandwith barrier" once though My coworker's Droid X: consistent 1.8-2.3 down, 1/2 up on 3G. 4g does not exist here. Comparisons like this make me strongly consider jumping ship for VZW (existing family plan) vs. sticking it out with SERO. To think that Sprint's 3G held its own and then some vs. VZW just a few years ago...

dohturdima said:
Today's Speed Test results: 0.14 - 0.23 mbps down, 1/2 that up. I broke 0.3"bandwith barrier" once though My coworker's Droid X: consistent 1.8-2.3 down, 1/2 up on 3G. 4g does not exist here. Comparisons like this make me strongly consider jumping ship for VZW (existing family plan) vs. sticking it out with SERO. To think that Sprint's 3G held its own and then some vs. VZW just a few years ago...
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I am in the same boat as you, my parents have VZW family plan with 4 lines on it and I have had Sprint Sero for almost 10 years, I can remember Sprint never being this bad more than a year ago...it has just got progressively worse.
Everyone should visit here and complain post you findings on speeds in your area( http://community.sprint.com/baw/community/buzzaboutwireless/network-and-coverage?view=discussions )
Its a sprint monitored forum for network related problems. I have been on it starting today adding to pissed customers that are all experiencing crappy coverage.
Make our voices heard and maybe it will get us in que for these "enhancements" faster for our areas.

bnguyen1983 said:
For a little comparison, I canceled my Sprint plan and went on Tmobile's $50 month to month with only 100mb 4G speeds, which I maxed quick. It dropped down to EDGE speeds and that itself is faster and more stable than what I was getting with Sprint at 0.2 Mbs
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Seriously? I generally get over 1Mb on 3g in Tucson. And at home in Marana, I get about 700Kb and my place is on the VERY edge of Sprint's coverage area.
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rygran87 said:
Seriously? I generally get over 1Mb on 3g in Tucson. And at home in Marana, I get about 700Kb and my place is on the VERY edge of Sprint's coverage area.
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Its not about Sprints network type or signal strength, its all about the area your in and load. From seeing others report on it, and me experiencing it I can confirm that Sprints Back-end blows donkey ****. If there are too many users loading down a cell site you will see up to 200K max... it's pitiful

I have never seen speeds that low except on 1x
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