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[Q] Potential !

Hey guys,
The setting:
So lets say hypothetically, the boot loader is cracked and we have custom Roms along with custom Kernels.
Now:
What is the potential of this phone?
...More specifically, do you guys think the Atrix will be at the top of the mobile world for years to come and be able to match up against newer dual core phones such as the HTC Pyramid, EVO 3D or the new Samsung and LG phones?
Would it be a worthwhile investment?
I'm curious as to whether this phone, if unlocked, will be the standard phone to compete against. Will all other phones coming out still be playing catchup?
I understand the specs, and understand that phones evolve rather quickly.... just curious as to others opinions and their view of the potential the Atrix has.
Thanks,
And lets hope the boot loader gets cracked soon

Tech moves so quick that by the time the HTC evo 3D and pyramid is released, there are going to be better phones then that.
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That's irrelevant. With your logic, we should never get any phone because there will always be better phones.
I'm asking how long this phone could be considered one of the best if its unlocked.
It has a great battery, and specs that no phone has matched, even phones that are soon to come out.

veshio said:
That's irrelevant. With your logic, we should never get any phone because there will always be better phones.
I'm asking how long this phone could be considered one of the best if its unlocked.
It has a great battery, and specs that no phone has matched, even phones that are soon to come out.
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it will be just like any other high end phone. old after 6-10 months.

neer2005 said:
Tech moves so quick that by the time the HTC evo 3D and pyramid is released, there are going to be better phones then that.
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I'm completely with you on that
veshio said:
That's irrelevant. With your logic, we should never get any phone because there will always be better phones.
I'm asking how long this phone could be considered one of the best if its unlocked.
It has a great battery, and specs that no phone has matched, even phones that are soon to come out.
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Stuff gets more advanced. Theres no stopping it, theres no way to jump ahead. And theres already stuff about the quad core cortex a9 saying it could come as soon as Q3.
I think the Atrix could be a decent on top phone until 2012 max. Then it's most likely to be murdered by another really awesome phone.

Like other have said tech advances so fast now. with in 10 months there will be something as good if not better along. For example check this out
http://www.thebesthandphone.com/new-quad-core-processors-from-qualcomm.html
some time next year we will most likely see quad core phones on the market.

Yea i understand that. I mean it relatively... as in if the phones is on top for a good couple of years, i consider that very good.

veshio said:
Yea i understand that. I mean it relatively... as in if the phones is on top for a good couple of years, i consider that very good.
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well from what I know and I could be totally wrong. The next phone that will be on par spec wise with the atrix is the samsung galaxy s2. It will have 1gig ram also and run the same dual core the atrix has. Not sure the resolution of the screen. The camera is 8mp vs the atrix 5mp and the screen is 4.3 vs 4.0 inches. So I guess you can say the atrix will be king of the hill for another month or so. I'm not sure when the s2 comes out but I have heard it might be in april or may.

I think the Atrix is a good platform for "potential" simply because it has everything everyone else is working towards PLUS a big 1930 MAH battery. We can learn to tweak things down the road, but that is one big battery considering how slim the phone is.

Quad core? If you ask me that's unnecessary. A mobile OS doesn't need that much power, just slim it down. That's the problem with the Atrix, it has MotoBlur which handicaps it. What we really need are better batteries, more memory, and a better NETWORK. The Inspire runs just as quick as the Atrix with a single core and less RAM because Sense doesn't cripple it. I had an Inspire and Atrix side by side and I could hardly tell a difference.
And all this hype about what these processors can do for gaming, that's just senseless. We're talking about 4 inch screens and it's still a phone.

live4nyy said:
Quad core? If you ask me that's unnecessary. A mobile OS doesn't need that much power, just slim it down. That's the problem with the Atrix, it has MotoBlur which handicaps it. What we really need are better batteries, more memory, and a better NETWORK. The Inspire runs just as quick as the Atrix with a single core and less RAM because Sense doesn't cripple it. I had an Inspire and Atrix side by side and I could hardly tell a difference.
And all this hype about what these processors can do for gaming, that's just senseless. We're talking about 4 inch screens and it's still a phone.
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Your forgeting one big factor. There is not a OS that supports dual core yet. Once one comes that that utilizes both cores you will see a huge difference. The way I see it cell phones are only about 5-6 years behind PC's. With the popularity of them its only going to get closer. Look at the atrix with some rooting you can use it as a pc once its plugged into a tv/monitor. You are going to see more and more things like this until their is no difference between the two. Who knows 5 years from now in stead of having a pc at home we will have our phones. Just plug it into a tv grab a key board and mouse and do everything we do now on them.

aszrael1266 said:
Your forgeting one big factor. There is not a OS that supports dual core yet. Once one comes that that utilizes both cores you will see a huge difference. The way I see it cell phones are only about 5-6 years behind PC's. With the popularity of them its only going to get closer. Look at the atrix with some rooting you can use it as a pc once its plugged into a tv/monitor. You are going to see more and more things like this until their is no difference between the two. Who knows 5 years from now in stead of having a pc at home we will have our phones. Just plug it into a tv grab a key board and mouse and do everything we do now on them.
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Good point. I forgot GB is optimized for dual core phones. I just don't see those split second differences being a deal breaker for me. I would rather my data over the network move faster (without a tiered plan as well). I'm not much of a gamer either so I'm a little biased in that respect as well.
When it comes down to it, I just want a phone that works and I can use it heavily without worrying about charging the battery. Is that too much to ask? I'm also afraid that all of these fads like 3D is going to convolute what is really important in a phone.

The atrix has the best battery of any phone I've had so far. With a good amount of use. Net surfing texting emails I still get 18+ hours out of it with 20% still showing. I'm at 13 hours since I unplugged my charger and I'm still at 40%

aszrael1266 said:
The atrix has the best battery of any phone I've had so far. With a good amount of use. Net surfing texting emails I still get 18+ hours out of it with 20% still showing. I'm at 13 hours since I unplugged my charger and I'm still at 40%
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I'd be careful of the update. I was getting similar battery life as you with 5-6 hours of display but now I struggle to get 24 hours with 2 hours of display (and I had to remove some apps like Beautiful Widgets and had to turn off my syncing).
My point on the battery life is no one (other than Apple) is trying to improve battery tech. I had the iPhone 4 before the Atrix and I was easily getting 40-50 hours of use and it only had a 1420mAh battery

aszrael1266 said:
well from what I know and I could be totally wrong. The next phone that will be on par spec wise with the atrix is the samsung galaxy s2. It will have 1gig ram also and run the same dual core the atrix has. Not sure the resolution of the screen. The camera is 8mp vs the atrix 5mp and the screen is 4.3 vs 4.0 inches. So I guess you can say the atrix will be king of the hill for another month or so. I'm not sure when the s2 comes out but I have heard it might be in april or may.
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i gotta disagree, i seriously doubt the samsung galaxy S2 will even be able to compete with the Atrix, for one, it's Super thin so i doubt that battery will even come close to the Atrix(correct me it i'm wrong), another reason which a lot of people don't like.........Samsung. Now i've never owned a samsung phone, but i've read a lot of reviews of Samsung galaxy S owners, and 95% of them weren't good at all, i also have a few friends that own Samsung galaxy S phones and none of them kept them over a month. So as far as the Atrix being old news, i really doubt it anytime this year and may still have some hype 1st quarter of 2012(look at the Evo, so it's definitly possible)

Its the software that can make a device great (40% hardware- 60% software). What good the specs are if the os can't utilize its full potential. One big example is motorola xoom and atrix. Im a bit sad that the mobile phone market is becomming more of a specs/hardware race. And the software is getting left behind. This has been a problem of android. Hope google and its hardware partners(samsung, htc, lg) would put great money into developing better updates for android so it can utilize the whole potential of the hardware rather than continously releasing new phones with premature softwares.
And yeah they should improve battery technoogy too...

G1-8701 said:
i gotta disagree, i seriously doubt the samsung galaxy S2 will even be able to compete with the Atrix, for one, it's Super thin so i doubt that battery will even come close to the Atrix(correct me it i'm wrong), another reason which a lot of people don't like.........Samsung. Now i've never owned a samsung phone, but i've read a lot of reviews of Samsung galaxy S owners, and 95% of them weren't good at all, i also have a few friends that own Samsung galaxy S phones and none of them kept them over a month. So as far as the Atrix being old news, i really doubt it anytime this year and may still have some hype 1st quarter of 2012(look at the Evo, so it's definitly possible)
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This.
and some, like me, think the 4" screen is the perfect size while the 4.3" screen is too big. However, with all future phones, it just comes down to personal preference.

aszrael1266 said:
Your forgeting one big factor. There is not a OS that supports dual core yet. Once one comes that that utilizes both cores you will see a huge difference. The way I see it cell phones are only about 5-6 years behind PC's. With the popularity of them its only going to get closer. Look at the atrix with some rooting you can use it as a pc once its plugged into a tv/monitor. You are going to see more and more things like this until their is no difference between the two. Who knows 5 years from now in stead of having a pc at home we will have our phones. Just plug it into a tv grab a key board and mouse and do everything we do now on them.
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live4nyy said:
Good point. I forgot GB is optimized for dual core phones. I just don't see those split second differences being a deal breaker for me. I would rather my data over the network move faster (without a tiered plan as well). I'm not much of a gamer either so I'm a little biased in that respect as well.
When it comes down to it, I just want a phone that works and I can use it heavily without worrying about charging the battery. Is that too much to ask? I'm also afraid that all of these fads like 3D is going to convolute what is really important in a phone.
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Wrong, wrong and wrong. Where do you get your information? The build of Froyo running on the Atrix has dual core support.

I see no faster on Atrix running Froyo at the moment. The speed is on par with SS GS and NS. But i rely on Motorola because i have had a few SS phones and all of them had hardware/build issues.

I think the phone will be relevant (to us anyway) for around 3 years, same as with last generations top tier phones.
What I think a lot of people here are confusing is, for the most part, relevance aslnd aactual pole position.
You have to talked into consideration how much better tthe next generation phone is, and whether or not that makes the previous generation actually obsolete or just dated.
For instance, I have the Nexus 1 right now and iI got it after I got the Captivate and Atrix. Yes the Atrix is a better phone on paper but it isn't THAT much better to make me want to get rid of my current phone.
I think, logically, that it will be the 2nd generation up that makes the former irrelevant (at this point). The Atrix and dual core phones announced aalready make the first first Gen smartphones (iPhone 1, HTC hero) extremely dated but the latter half (nexus 1, galaxy s, etc) are still relevant ttoday.
Of course you also have to factor in the applications that are being used and the network the phones are on. Right now, this instant, dual core phones aren't needed because of the speed of the network, light usage for CPU for browsing, and widespread video codecs.
Next year that might change.
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SGS2 vs world (SGS2 owns all)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_4vijEfQaQ
Next match up
SGS2 vs laptop.
I crown it Samsung Galaxy S Jizz.

At least the other phones don't self combust

Or having a 1/2 day battery life...

DocRambone said:
Or having a 1/2 day battery life...
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Thats what I was kind of getting at!

tameracingdriver said:
At least the other phones don't self combust
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ok that made me laugh

DocRambone said:
Or having a 1/2 day battery life...
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what are you running on it causing it to die in 1/2 day?

ph00ny said:
what are you running on it causing it to die in 1/2 day?
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A samsung stock rom.

At least the other phones wifi works properly

ConceptVBS said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_4vijEfQaQ
Next match up
SGS2 vs laptop.
I crown it Samsung Galaxy S Jizz.
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Galaxy S2 is a sorta a fail in my opinion actually or should i call it a midstop in a right direction
1) First bad graphics choice. mali400 is much weaker than Power VR543 (so chances are this time iphone will have better graphics especially since it's software will be build specifically for it). If they go for mali t604 next year it will be roughly 20 times more powerfull (5 times mali400 core to core)
2) No 3D (not completely necessary at the moment since software needs to be optimized for it first, but certainly not future-proof).
3) Same cheap plastic iphone-like design (least make it something different for once, i like optimus 3D design for instance)
4) To take advantage of multicore and it's improved battery life u need Ice cream Sandwich (in ur face) which wouldn't be out now till Christmas and last time i checked Samsung doesn't have good update history and by THAT time u will hearing about quad-core phones being released shortly (just google- already a bunch of rumors about it). What gives the S2 speed at the moment is 1.2 GHz vs 1ghz from the last and EXT4 and other optimization of gingerbread with better drivers
Via twitter back a few month ago samsung was also considering about quad-core and 3d in their next phone, but i also found this topic about Eldar Murtazin which still exists: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Appl...iPhone-5-both-slated-for-fall-release_id18446
As u see it also has some very interesting info about new screen technology and direction that Samsung is heading to, although i highly doubt about 6 month release table (it will most probably be carrier specific, aka galaxy S2 captivate with 4.5 inch screen, 2GHz dual-core, 4g etc for AT&T like Samsung infuse 4G, for Christmas), it certainly gives u an idea that this phone will be outdated within just few month. So whether u like it or not (or ignore my comment), just see for urself next year when u wasted money!
I certainly wouldn't spend 700 dollars on unlocked phone when a better one will be out in 6-10 month
NOW, many of u might say to me that this is either just rumors or that u can't catch up to technology, but this actually quite false.
First of all many of these rumors are originated from information leaked during prototype testing phases.
Second technology moves in steps.
For instance, while we will see quad-core phones next year (and no doubt about it, Sony NGP (not phone) will be first portable quad-core coming out by end of this year already), we will NOT see 8 core phones any time soon since cortex a9 only supports up to 4 cores and cortex a15 only up to 2 in a phone. Also how many laptops have 8 core CPU- most have stopped at 2 or 4.
we already witnessed how mega-pixel race has ended in 2009 since no phones since then went for 16mp or more. In fact Samsung galaxy s went back to 5 after developing 8mp camera phones (innov8 and i8910 HD) for 2 years.
Screens wouldn't go larger than 4.3 inch (otherwise wouldn't be portable), and 1080p video recording is as high as it can get, so in those things S2 maxes out already on what is possible. Also it's 1GB ram should hopefully be enough to run multiple apps this time although not as many as symbian. But it isn't perfect by any means.
Still if Samsung continue to push forward like in S2, their next phone will be maxed out in just about everything that the software will require.
After that it will mostly be smaller cpu architectural changes and while CPU may stay at 4, gpu can go up to 16 cores, however how much would u really need??
this is what i mean by software cause no developer will be willing to develop crysis 2 for phones and sell it for 10 bucks. power 543 is needed for Sony NGP more than anything else. (i still have Samsung i8910 and it can run all the games ur S2 can as long as it's out for Symbian^3)

Xdenwarrior said:
i still have Samsung i8910 and it can run all the games ur S2 can as long as it's out for Symbian^3)
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I feel for you mate, I had that phone for a while, good hardware at the time but symbian kind of made it suck.
Even now theres not much available for it and many of the high end games run pretty badly, I give it to my sister so I still play around with it now and again.

Xdenwarrior said:
Galaxy S2 is a sorta a fail in my opinion actually or should i call it a midstop in a right direction
1) First bad graphics choice. mali400 is much weaker than Power VR543 (so chances are this time iphone will have better graphics especially since it's software will be build specifically for it). If they go for mali t604 next year it will be roughly 20 times more powerfull (5 times mali400 core to core)
2) No 3D (not completely necessary at the moment since software needs to be optimized for it first, but certainly not future-proof).
3) Same cheap plastic iphone-like design (least make it something different for once, i like optimus 3D design for instance)
4) To take advantage of multicore and it's improved battery life u need Ice cream Sandwich (in ur face) which wouldn't be out now till Christmas and last time i checked Samsung doesn't have good update history and by THAT time u will hearing about quad-core phones being released shortly (just google- already a bunch of rumors about it). What gives the S2 speed at the moment is 1.2 GHz vs 1ghz from the last and EXT4 and other optimization of gingerbread with better drivers
Via twitter back a few month ago samsung was also considering about quad-core and 3d in their next phone, but i also found this topic about Eldar Murtazin which still exists: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Appl...iPhone-5-both-slated-for-fall-release_id18446
As u see it also has some very interesting info about new screen technology and direction that Samsung is heading to, although i highly doubt about 6 month release table (it will most probably be carrier specific, aka galaxy S2 captivate with 4.5 inch screen, 2GHz dual-core, 4g etc for AT&T like Samsung infuse 4G, for Christmas), it certainly gives u an idea that this phone will be outdated within just few month. So whether u like it or not (or ignore my comment), just see for urself next year when u wasted money!
I certainly wouldn't spend 700 dollars on unlocked phone when a better one will be out in 6-10 month
NOW, many of u might say to me that this is either just rumors or that u can't catch up to technology, but this actually quite false.
First of all many of these rumors are originated from information leaked during prototype testing phases.
Second technology moves in steps.
For instance, while we will see quad-core phones next year (and no doubt about it, Sony NGP (not phone) will be first portable quad-core coming out by end of this year already), we will NOT see 8 core phones any time soon since cortex a9 only supports up to 4 cores and cortex a15 only up to 2 in a phone. Also how many laptops have 8 core CPU- most have stopped at 2 or 4.
we already witnessed how mega-pixel race has ended in 2009 since no phones since then went for 16mp or more. In fact Samsung galaxy s went back to 5 after developing 8mp camera phones (innov8 and i8910 HD) for 2 years.
Screens wouldn't go larger than 4.3 inch (otherwise wouldn't be portable), and 1080p video recording is as high as it can get, so in those things S2 maxes out already on what is possible. Also it's 1GB ram should hopefully be enough to run multiple apps this time although not as many as symbian. But it isn't perfect by any means.
Still if Samsung continue to push forward like in S2, their next phone will be maxed out in just about everything that the software will require.
After that it will mostly be smaller cpu architectural changes and while CPU may stay at 4, gpu can go up to 16 cores, however how much would u really need??
this is what i mean by software cause no developer will be willing to develop crysis 2 for phones and sell it for 10 bucks. power 543 is needed for Sony NGP more than anything else. (i still have Samsung i8910 and it can run all the games ur S2 can as long as it's out for Symbian^3)
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I'll just have to buy that phone when it comes out then, it's only money bro.

Intratech said:
I'll just have to buy that phone when it comes out then, it's only money bro.
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Lmao awesome answer. I think he's one of these people who never buys any tech cos he keeping thinking a newer one will be just around the corner.
On the point of updates though, who brought the first GB to the market?

Facts: the Galaxy S II is the fastest and most powerful hand-held device ever
, and (this includes the iPhone 5) it is the only portable device in the world than can play 1080p MKV and flash videos as smooth as butter for which the screen size and technology is ideal.
I personally think quad-cores in a cell phone is overkill, anyway. I mean, at present, the Galaxy S II perfectly does the above and multi-tasks and launches apps instantly - how much more can a quad core processor improve on that? Not much as its so fast to begin with. Plus, factoring in the fact that with dual-core even, battery drainage is a problem, i shudder to think how long the battery would last of a quad-core chip, especially if it had a fast GPU.
And on the subject of the GPU, the SGSII isn't targeted at hardcore gamers anyway - it'll do its job if its able to play most big title commercial and casual games well, and it's relative power would ensure future mainstream titles such as NFS would be playable at a smooth framerate- this is it's target audience. Simply put, if gaming is your first priority then this device isn't for you.
A real hardcore gaming phone will be the next iteration of the Xperia Play - with an nvidia chipset and PS2 game emulation and all that jazz - designed specifically for gamers. Just cannot play serious games without a joypad.

Xdenwarrior said:
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3D is a waste of space, time and money
the sgs2 is much faster than my sgs1 yet both have ext4 and my sgs1* runs at 1.3Ghz.
not bothering to reply to the rest which are pretty much dumb assertions. phones get updated every 6-10 month since 5 years (except the iPhone). Get over it already.

This phone its so fast.. Forget what these videos have say, once you get the phone and see for your self you'll appreciate it more. Sometimes I can't believe this device that its so light and slim is this fast and I actually do think its more comparable to a laptop Than any phone out at the moment. It loads iplayer videos faster than my ps3 and just as fast as my pc. Way faster than my iphone 4 or my brothers desire hd.. way faster.
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Xdenwarrior said:
Galaxy S2 is a sorta a fail in my opinion actually or should i call it a midstop in a right direction
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So if it's "midstop in a right direction," what in your considered opinion is the phone we should all be getting assuming we want/need a phone in the next few months? This will be Samsung's flagship on the U.S. carriers for nine months to a year and it hasn't even launched their yet. As fast as technology moves I'm sure the SGS2 will evolve and that there will be an SGS3, but it's not going to be in the next six to nine months. As someone said earlier, if we all wait for the utopian phone we'll die with a TouchPro in our hands.

Don't judge me because i still use a touch pro!

so coming from an atrix (which is definitely underrated once blur is taken care of through TB) would it be worth the 200 or so extra? Im seeing very mixed reviews about this phone as well

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so coming from an atrix (which is definitely underrated once blur is taken care of through TB) would it be worth the 200 or so extra? Im seeing very mixed reviews about this phone as well
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Well worth it tbh. Came from my atrix, havent regreted it for a second. The atrix isnt in the same league
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i have been toying with the idea and while i can still get $500+ for the atrix. Nice to hear it from an x atrix user. I just dont know what the best way to get this phone to Canada is.

[Q] Still worth buying Samsung galaxy s?

Hi guys
I want to buy a new smartphone and I am thinking about samsung galaxy s i9000 because it's obviously very good phone and currently the price is very reasonable. But this phone has only 512 ram and I want for example at the same time to use web browser, skype, listen music, etc. I mean is all that ok for a phone or it will start lagging a lot? Maybe it's not worth buying it cause it's already 1 year old and phones with 2x more ram and dual core cpus comming, so maybe it's worth waiting for them to get cheaper? Or it's still very good investment for a price? (SGS2 costs like 1.7x more so too much for me)

Have a look at that:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1173923
I still would recommend it, especially because it's now about 300€ and there are only a few little bugs left, which i hope will be fixed with the next update (like browser-scrolling etc.). Also battery life is very good since JVO i think.

Today I was doing a side by side comparison on my 9000 / 2.3.4 with my cousins 9003 / 2.3.3
Edit SGS from 3 / 2.3.4 vs SGS2 from craphonewhorehouse / 2.3.3
the 9003 is physically bigger, and has a physically bigger screen, and it has a dual core cpu...... but......
speaking *personally* the 9003 is a little too big, in fact the 9000 is already pushing the boundaries on size for a "phone"
the bigger screen in nice, but I know someone who uses a 7" galaxy tab as a phone, for phone / mms / email the 9000 screen is as big as I want.
dual core? well if I played games I might need it, but the single core on my 9000 does everything *I* ask it to, including playing video seamlessly.
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sweet **** all in it so far, all personal preferences...
the REAL difference is the 9000 is mature, incredibly well known, with an incredible set of resources and knowledge.
the REAL difference is not being the latest and greatest any more, the 9000 is cheaper, significantly cheaper.
I was offered a straight swap today 9000 <> 9003, I turned it down.

Johnny55555555 said:
if I was offered a straight swap today 9000 <> 9003, I turned it down.
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Yes right, of course you would
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Thanks for opinions.
Well the main thing for me I think is RAM. Is SGS not slow when having several programs running (skype, web browser, music..)?

I only recently got an i9000 and found it really doesn't matter about its age, it performs incredibly well, and has the advantage of having a massive load of excellent custom roms to use.
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Besides the the missing dual core, I think i9000 is gold for it's value. Which I might add, is running current performance standard for all phones since dual core is considered high end atm.

Johnny55555555 said:
Today I was doing a side by side comparison on my 9000 / 2.3.4 with my cousins 9003 / 2.3.3
the 9003 is physically bigger, and has a physically bigger screen, and it has a dual core cpu...... but......
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I9003 don't have dual core cpu it's 1GHz Cortex A8 CPU, PowerVR SGX530 GPU, TI OMAP 3630 chipset
you can buy i9000 for now as it's still one of the fastest phones and next year you will be able to buy i9100 at less once galaxy s 3 comes

I'd go for a newer phone than the Galaxy S if it had a greater variety of mods/kernels. I don't think that's going to happen for a while =P
The Galaxy S II looks promising, though.

The SGS has a good balance between hardware specs and software / os requirements.
The SGS 2 doesn't have this balance. At this time, 99% of the users simply don't use that extra hardware capacity.
In my view, the decision to purchase an SGS2 vs an SGS really boils down to the screen and the camera. If you want the Full HD video recording, improved camera and better screen and you think the price premium warrants it - then go for SGS2.
But if you think the SGS is more than satisfactory in these areas, then SGS it is.
People talk about the improved hardware specs of the SGS2... but until that translates into real-life improvements "my SGS2 can do this...and your SGS can't" then we simply won't see people rushing out to buy them.

You can guy mine if you want....comes boxed with everything!
RoOSTA

Recently got one. I look at it as a mid range phone with lots of custom roms. For me, its a great phone to start off for Android due to its resources.

i've only gotten mine for about 2 months now, and it's worth it, came from a wildfire... and i must say the community here is heaps more different than the wildfire community (i enjoy it here more)... the wildfire community had some ppl that annoyed me so much and were so clueless about everything lol

drasifriaz said:
Yes right, of course you would
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you EDITED my post from "I was offered..." to "If I was offered...."
the fact that you have to make me a liar to make your point says it all.
I was offered a straight swap by my cousin, I turned it down.

Unless u got cash to burn or always wanted to have the latest gadget. If not, I would say SGS is still worth to buy.. With many custom rom.. I would say it's one of the stable android phone around.. Of cos, not the latest in terms of hardware (dual core)..
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You should definitively go for the SGS.
I got mine 2 months ago, and I'm sure I'm going to still like my phone in 2 or 3 years, if it makes it through

Get the sgs, then get the sgs 2 in 18 months when its cheap (if you can handle large size) sgs is great, android apps not really able to fully exploit dual core yet
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I don't really worry about dual core cpu, I worry more about rams. This phone does not have much of them and noone answered my question how laggy is phone when several programs running (skype, web browser, music player...)

Kblavkalash said:
I don't really worry about dual core cpu, I worry more about rams. This phone does not have much of them and noone answered my question how laggy is phone when several programs running (skype, web browser, music player...)
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Very laggy
Get the iPhone!
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pkhbdb said:
You should definitively go for the SGS.
I got mine 2 months ago, and I'm sure I'm going to still like my phone in 2 or 3 years, if it makes it through
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We will take care of that ;-)
I allways buy a phone every three years so will continu development and mods ;-)
That is from the launch date of the SGS so to speek...
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Message to all you ship jumpers[Advice]

Dont do it its so not worth it yet number one android cant support it Tech is moving to fast quad cores are soon to come Dual cores are not like how single core 1Ghz cpus where when they first came out they were long term your gonna buy that dual core then quad is gonna come out ur gonna oh shiz but us vibrant owners have single core then dual came out we were like cool but ok our phones perform close to them upgrading to galaxy S2 not that big of a jump soon when 2.4 comes out it will breath new life into our phones so my point is let time go by an wait to see what becomes standard so you can be on solid ground then upgrade just wait......sick of these fourms which one to get its a trap to get a new phone just as yet

maybe true!! im still buying my hercules...........

movieaddict said:
maybe true!! im still buying my hercules...........
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I use to think like that until i looked at the specs its not worth upgrade the only dual core phone i would say get is Nexus if exynos rumors are true an the support will be excellent as always with NXS phones Snapdragons suck that is why i stay away from Htc

with three great developers getting it im not worried! ecotox, dan brutal and allgamer

If I can get an epic touch 1800 mah battery (assuming it will fit vibrant) I am gonna hold on this phone for one more year. The fact is if you are not into gaming on your phone or play 1080p to your HDTV, vibrant does pretty much everything so well with a smooth voodoo enabled froyo ROM. It very well holds upto any dual core phone in day to day functionalities as a smart phone. I am even afraid going to another phone will be a downgrade in terms of screen quality and audio quality as a music player (voodoo sound + power amp + 16 GB storage)

movieaddict said:
with three great developers getting it im not worried! ecotox, dan brutal and allgamer
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But devs can only do so much if the hardware flat out sucks that cpu is like the vibrant at 1.9 Ghz its not worth it until a game changer comes out once quad comes out it will become standard then ill make switch but its not worth it yet all who switch are being fooled exept for evo3D owners because of 1Gb ram an S2 owners because of just about everyhing

Jasonhunterx said:
Dont do it its so not worth it yet number one android cant support it Tech is moving to fast quad cores are soon to come Dual cores are not like how single core 1Ghz cpus where when they first came out they were long term your gonna buy that dual core then quad is gonna come out ur gonna oh shiz but us vibrant owners have single core then dual came out we were like cool but ok our phones perform close to them upgrading to galaxy S2 not that big of a jump soon when 2.4 comes out it will breath new life into our phones so my point is let time go by an wait to see what becomes standard so you can be on solid ground then upgrade just wait......sick of these fourms which one to get its a trap to get a new phone just as yet
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Hercules:
1. Has a Super AMOLED+ Display, which is superior to the 1st gen SAMOLED displays (No Pen-Tile, Bettery Battery Life, etc.)
2. Dual Core Processor which can save power, and generally offers better performance - just one of it's cores is faster than ours and even back when teh Vibrant/G2 was released the Scorpion CPU was faster than the Hummingbird. The Hummingbird just had a much better GPU integrated into it.
3. HSPA+ radio
4. Double the RAM of the Vibrant, which is actually more than double when you factor in the RAM dedicated to the GPU. So more like ~110% More System/App-accessible RAM (since the GPU RAM dedicated didn't change AFAICT).
5. 10% bigger battery
6. Better Camera/Camcorder, with LED Flash
7. 2 MegaPixel Front-Facing Camera
8. Wi-Fi Direct, USB On the Go (Not Sure if in US Variants)
9. Actually a factorable level of support from the carriers and OEMs at least for another year+, especially those who stick very close to the international specs (Hercules dubious here)
It's not just about the CPU. That's actually not the first thing to bottleneck in these phones, unless you're doing something specifically to tax it heavily. GPU, RAM, and I/O for example will all bottleneck before the CPU in real-world use.
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Jasonhunterx said:
But devs can only do so much if the hardware flat out sucks that cpu is like the vibrant at 1.9 Ghz its not worth it until a game changer comes out once quad comes out it will become standard then ill make switch but its not worth it yet all who switch are being fooled exept for evo3D owners because of 1Gb ram an S2 owners because of just about everyhing
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Even when Quad Core phones come out, there will be a better one 4 months later. It's the nature of the beast.
And people said the same about Dual Core processors. They'll say the same thing about 20 core processors in 5 years or whatever time it takes for them to come out, as well...

has anyone here actually USED Hercules?
No? EXACTLY.
The specs make it sound like a amazing phone.
The Vibrant sounded amazing too! It is amazing, but it did have flaws, and i'm sure other phones will follow. They may not be the SAME flaw, but they will come.

N8ter, you get my thanks just for being able to read that f'ing gibberish. That is all.

Most of improvements are minor the only thing that would make me wanna switch is the ram an flash an maybe gps only two things that make me mad about phone but i wouldnt say its stupid to upgrade but not best choice an i used sensation which i think is same cpu as herc an it was a little slow i know it has sense which is ram hog but it had 300+
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jamesd86 said:
N8ter, you get my thanks just for being able to read that f'ing gibberish. That is all.
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That is very rude an not needed but thats your opinion
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xriderx66 said:
has anyone here actually USED Hercules?
No? EXACTLY.
The specs make it sound like a amazing phone.
The Vibrant sounded amazing too! It is amazing, but it did have flaws, and i'm sure other phones will follow. They may not be the SAME flaw, but they will come.
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But cpu has been used in other phones an all tech has flaws
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rakeshchn said:
If I can get an epic touch 1800 mah battery (assuming it will fit vibrant) I am gonna hold on this phone for one more year. The fact is if you are not into gaming on your phone or play 1080p to your HDTV, vibrant does pretty much everything so well with a smooth voodoo enabled froyo ROM. It very well holds upto any dual core phone in day to day functionalities as a smart phone. I am even afraid going to another phone will be a downgrade in terms of screen quality and audio quality as a music player (voodoo sound + power amp + 16 GB storage)
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Sorry to burst your bubble but the epic touch (nor the SGS2's) battery will fit in the vibrant (battery is to big).

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That is very rude an not needed but thats your opinion
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Obviously it wasn't needed as much as you need to learn grammar.

Every 6 month something better comes around, i had my vibrant for 15 months. Its time for me to upgrade.
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jamesd86 said:
N8ter, you get my thanks just for being able to read that f'ing gibberish. That is all.
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Because your a grammar nazi, correct?
Dude GTFO.
Just because he forgot a few , . ' 's doesn't mean he has bad grammar at all.
I've seen people who can't spell things like TABLE, and their well above their age to be able to spell TABLE.

quest4fire said:
Every 6 month something better comes around, i had my vibrant for 15 months. Its time for me to upgrade.
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More like 3 lol but i mean like people upgrade for minor things i like innovation

I've skipped the dual core laptops, now I have quad core...so I'll probably do the same with my phone, unless it got bricked before that... and I still love it.
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THread closed before this turns into a flame fest.

Thought to update to new phone But sticking to GALAXY S

Yes , all the hypes about the new dual core phones, the tabs made me thought for the past month Its time to move alone.
IT has been last jan i have the galaxy s, I went through some readouts about samsung tab 1st.
It seemed the only handy size of the tab is the single core 7 inch, which is same as galaxy s, same price when i got the galaxy as new. so its a no go. I checked out the cheaper new one of tab 6200 , no go, I chked the 10 inche tab...its too big lol
Galaxy S 2 ? its twice the price what its delivering, So no samsung for me for now.
Ericsson? I chked RAY, ARC NEO ETc, donno what! lol all no goes.
HTC? Never used one , and dont feel like.
So i decided to stick to galaxy S cause none of the new phones are worth compared to upgrades and prices and the new MIUI ICS is kinda rocking with ma phone.
Let me know your thoughts.
Thanks

I'm with you dude, can't see the point in getting a sgs2 for a little more speed, I want my next phone to offer something different for the price, may be the sgs3 or something else. The sgs1 does everything I need and does it well, plus, smaller than sgs2 and better sound with voodoo. Now got great battery with 2540 mah battery and semaphore with smartassv2, loving it. Also remember that you learn more as you play, tune, test, flash. Many people using sgs2 just leave
It running in default mode
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gsw5700 said:
I'm with you dude, can't see the point in getting a sgs2 for a little more speed, I want my next phone to offer something different for the price, may be the sgs3 or something else. The sgs1 does everything I need and does it well, plus, smaller than sgs2 and better sound with voodoo. Now got great battery with 2540 mah battery and semaphore with smartassv2, loving it. Also remember that you learn more as you play, tune, test, flash. Many people using sgs2 just leave
It running in default mode
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No doubt the SGS is still a powerful phone and will last many people at least another year.
BTW I also upgraded my SGS battery. I got the 1650Mah Samsung Armani battery which is the same physical size as the OG SGS stock, but gives me the extra juice I need to use my phone with even more moderate daily usage...
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I love my SGS for every other reason except its RAM. This is bcz mostly i like playing games and due to low memory games stuck like hell. If it just had 768MB of ram, I would have never thought of upgrading. Anyway, still i have this machine and i am gonna keep it.

sohebq said:
I love my SGS for every other reason except its RAM. This is bcz mostly i like playing games and due to low memory games stuck like hell. If it just had 768MB of ram, I would have never thought of upgrading. Anyway, still i have this machine and i am gonna keep it.
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Low ram is compelling me to upgrade to SGS 2 or HTC Sensation XE !

A good decision, dude.
I will also stay with my Galaxy S, got it one year ago and still luv this phone more than anything. Ok, sgs2 has a more powerful cpu and gpu, but I actually dont play to much with my phone, only some small games like doodle jump, angry birds or Fruit Ninja THD
It has such a powerful gpu, that even the galaxy nexus uses it, ok, its version is clocked at 384mhz or so, but doesnt matter, it is one of the most powerful gpu solutions in the single-core world (is also used at 300mhz on the lg optimus 3d)
But in my opinion its the fault of gameloft and all the other developers, that the gaming performance is so f*ckin bad on our sgs.
On the iPhone 4 and iPad e.g. Asphalt 6 runs as fluid as hell, also fast and furious does. And both devices have a higher resolution, but a weaker gpu (PowerVR SGX535)
If the developers would code for the plattform instead of porting the whole stuff down from iOS, then all the hd-versions from iPad would run fluid on sgs and other devices. So thats the main reason, why we need a much more powerful hardware with android, to gain the same gaming expirience like on iOS-Devices.
B2T: Keep the phone as long as you can. It is solid made, a really scratch-resisent screen, awesome and it has imo the best size, I think that 4,3inch is just to big for a phone
BTW:
Why do you think all the american carreers release almost every second month a new phone based on the galaxy s. Sometimes with a 4,5inch screen like the infuse or with a keyboard like the sprints epic 4g and some other phones I dont remeber atm
So, have fun, dude

I stay with my I9000 too, it's still the best mix of cpu, gpu and durability for me. Regarding RAM I use the great Thunderbolt Tweaks and Semaphore kernel, which results in a very fast and stable SGS.
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@angry_machine, Your decision is absolutely correct. I was also thinking to upgrade to SGSII, but after seeing it in a mobile market i changed my mind. NOthing much different. I bought my SGS last year in Oct, and it's the best phone I ever had. And I'm having no issues with it. Technology will never stop, so we should not change to every next model. Only change it when you really need. I Will stick to it until a change is must.

Voted 5-star because I feel the same.

I'm on the same boat, with all these powerhouse phones coming out I was really thinking about just buying a new phone outwidth my contract. My contract ends in August and I just think to myself, what kind of phones will be on the market by then? Tbh it's worth the wait.

do you hear about samsung galaxy note?